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Post by Mother Starlight on Aug 11, 2015 16:04:11 GMT
03:31 -!- Butcher has joined #backstage 03:47 < Butcher> it feels like cheating. 03:48 < Butcher> But ladydeath has pointed out the obvious gabby-alethics synergy. 06:35 -!- Adelene1 has joined #backstage 06:43 -!- kelsleep has joined #backstage 06:43 -!- Adelene has quit 06:44 -!- Adelene1 has quit 06:44 -!- Adelene has joined #backstage 06:45 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Adelene] by ChanServ 06:55 -!- FacelessWork has joined #backstage 07:01 -!- kappabeta has joined #backstage 07:01 -!- mode/#backstage [+o kappabeta] by ChanServ 07:06 < FacelessWork> hi 07:14 < Butcher> hi 07:23 -!- Butcher has quit 07:29 -!- kelsleep is now known as Kel 07:29 < Kel> hi 07:29 <@Adelene> o/ 07:37 < Kel> oh. I need to get dressed. brb 07:39 < FacelessWork> that is a common need 07:49 < Kel> :( need to go 07:49 < Kel> bye 07:49 -!- Kel is now known as Kelsewhere 09:07 -!- Sky has joined #backstage 09:50 -!- Adelene has quit 09:51 -!- Adelene has joined #backstage 09:51 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Adelene] by ChanServ 09:51 -!- FacelessWork has quit 10:09 -!- Teceler|Asleep is now known as Teceler 10:54 -!- FacelessWork has joined #backstage 11:04 < FacelessWork> Salutations? 11:06 < Teceler> hello 11:06 < FacelessWork> hi 11:06 < Sky> salutations. 11:06 < FacelessWork> what is up? 11:06 < Teceler> I am trying to model Carp magic skill as an Eclipse Phase skill XD 11:07 <@Adelene> (Because Tyche is about to unexpectedly become a mage. ^^) 11:09 < Teceler> Eclipse (at Carp): Why can you not use nice neat percentages? :( 11:10 <@Adelene> heh. 11:28 < FacelessWork> Good luck? 11:28 < FacelessWork> I mean you are trying to like adapt rpg systems, I gather? 11:28 < Teceler> sorta yeah 11:29 <@Adelene> Yup. 11:31 * FacelessWork pictures this as trying to build something out of legos and megablocks 11:32 -!- Kelsewhere is now known as Kel 11:32 < Kel> hi 11:32 < Teceler> hello Kel! 11:32 < Kel> Hi! 11:33 < Sky> Hi 11:34 < FacelessWork> greetings 11:35 < FacelessWork> hey, Kel, are you ookay if I indicated you to the "make my characters talk" thread? 11:35 < Kel> Sure! 11:35 < Kel> what? 11:35 < Kel> one sec I'll go look 11:36 < Kel> I am not seeing? 11:36 < FacelessWork> I havent wrote anything yet 11:36 < Kel> oh 11:36 < Kel> I am okay if you ask for my characters talking to each other 11:36 < Kel> but I am too nervous for ones to write with the other authors 11:36 < FacelessWork> actually wanted them to talk with Alicorn's characters ».» 11:36 < Kel> (aaaa) 11:36 < FacelessWork> specifically Aether and Steve Carlberg 11:37 < Kel> Alicorn is really cool and I am too scared 11:37 < Kel> sorry 11:37 < FacelessWork> its okay 11:37 < FacelessWork> are you scared of other authors? 11:37 < Kel> kinda 11:37 < FacelessWork> its okay 11:38 < Kel> but I haven't been reading all the other authors for about a third of my life 11:38 <@Adelene> Alicorn is /really/ not scary. </ex-roommate> 11:39 < Kel> I know that, but brain disagrees 11:39 < FacelessWork> Adelene, she feeds on tears and hurts the (fictional) people we love! 11:40 <@Adelene> I mean, yes? But that doesn't mean she's /scary/. ^.- 11:40 < Kel> she isn't /scary/ but I am /scared/ 11:40 < Teceler> [hugs] 11:40 < Kel> [hugs] 11:41 < FacelessWork> [hugs] 11:42 <@Adelene> [hug] 11:42 < Kel> [hugs] 11:42 < Kel> I am still planning to eventually maybe, but not nowish 11:43 * FacelessWork nods 11:43 <@Adelene> *nod* 12:00 -!- sonatasleep is now known as Sonata 12:07 < Kel> Hi! 12:10 -!- PDV has joined #backstage 12:10 < FacelessWork> o/ 12:11 < PDV> `\o 12:11 < Teceler> hello 12:12 <@Sonata> hi 12:19 -!- FacelessWork has quit 12:20 -!- FacelessWork has joined #backstage 12:20 < FacelessWork> hi again 12:20 < Teceler> hello 12:23 < FacelessWork> I miss sandboxing :/ 12:23 < FacelessWork> anyone up? ».» 12:24 * Sonata is awake 12:25 < PDV> I could sandbox if I'd picked faces for my new guy 12:26 < FacelessWork> which new guy? 12:26 < FacelessWork> (Sonata, a different kind of up) 12:26 < PDV> I have about 90% of a new character in my head 12:27 < PDV> He's named Theo, he has strong opinions about fairness, and magic almost invariably goes against them 12:28 < FacelessWork> what are his opinions on fairness? 12:30 < PDV> It's hard to articulate precisely, but he has very strong intuitions about what is fair, and some people being born with special powers violates them significantly 12:31 < FacelessWork> huh, what happens when someone points out that people cant choose being born with such powers? or what are his "solutions" to the problem? 12:31 * Adelene wonders vaguely what he'll think of Lurker. 12:31 < PDV> His usual solution is to try to make it so that either everyone or no one will be born with them in the future 12:32 < FacelessWork> o.o 12:32 < FacelessWork> and how his going on "solving" that? 12:32 < PDV> ? 12:32 <@Adelene> (Lurker does vaguely consider herself to have been born with a special power! That power is 'ability to learn to speak'.) 12:34 < PDV> Theos will not usually resort to genocide, though if one got sufficiently victimized and lost close friends, they would be capable of it 12:35 < PDV> They have a mode of thought - which they don't enjoy much and try to avoid - where they have broad, sharp contempt for practically everybody 12:36 < PDV> And sufficiently bad events could push one there permanently, and that could get very ugly very quickly 12:36 < FacelessWork> otherwise, what they would do? push for eugenics or something? 12:37 < PDV> It definitely depends. Doing research onto how stuff originates is a likely path 12:38 < FacelessWork> huh, if he himself has the magic, would his atitude change? 12:38 < PDV> He's more likely to try to give it to everyone, and is not going to remove it unless he dislikes it 12:39 < Teceler> Cassiel is squinting at this thoughtfully. 12:39 < PDV> For example, if there was a Spark Theo, he would study the Spark if he could, and try to replicate it or infuse it in others. But if that wasn't possible he might go full Othar 12:39 < FacelessWork> Spark is from where again? 12:39 < Kel> Girl Genius 12:39 < PDV> Girl Genius/Yarth 12:39 < Teceler> Girl Genius 12:39 < Teceler> pfffft 12:39 < Kel> hee 12:40 < FacelessWork> and if the magic is fundamental to the fabric of society? Like New Kystle? 12:40 < PDV> http://girlgenius.wikia.com/wiki/Othar_Tryggvassen,_Gentleman_Adventurer 12:40 < PDV> New Kystle would make him Extremely Annoyed 12:41 < Teceler> I am wondering what he would think of Cassiel's world. XD 12:41 < FacelessWork> PDV, because he cant just remove everyone's magic without killing the entire civilization? 12:41 < FacelessWork> PDV, what are you thinking for his face? 12:42 < PDV> there are so many faces that might work for him 12:42 < Kel> [hugs?] 12:42 < PDV> I do not have enough restrictions to narrow it down 12:42 < PDV> (hugs not needed) 12:42 < Kel> ok 12:43 < PDV> He would probably try to prevent new bloodlines from propagating and do something to move the society away from being magic-dependent. Or at least make nearly everyone mix with the nonmages, so that there weren't mage and nonmage families 12:43 < FacelessWork> huh, would he try do something like, spread another kind of magic to even things out? 12:44 < PDV> He might! 12:44 < FacelessWork> (not saying it is possible just a hypothetical scenario) 12:44 < Teceler> (everyone can learn arcane magic, although there are people with native aptitudes for certain elements, and certain kinds of intelligence probably affect how /quickly/ you can do so and such. There's also, um. Gods. And angels. With their own magic. Who are generally trying to have a proxy war using mortals) 12:44 < FacelessWork> What would he feel about a magic system that is both hereditary but also transmissable? 12:44 < PDV> If he was in Eos, he'd try to make everyone ingots and set up some kind of wish-dispensing thing 12:45 < FacelessWork> that sounds so dangerous 12:45 < FacelessWork> so so so so dangerous 12:45 < FacelessWork> soooooooooooo dangerous 12:45 < Teceler> XD 12:45 < FacelessWork> and did I mentioned dangerous? 12:45 < Teceler> yes 12:45 < Kel> it could /maybe/ work if you did it /really/ carefully? 12:45 < PDV> small wishes only, clearly 12:45 < Teceler> yes you did 12:46 < Kel> like, there can be planetary wards against certain things happening 12:46 < Kel> which limits how much badness can happen 12:46 < PDV> Very few magics are actually going to have satisfying resolutions, as far as he's concerned 12:46 * Teceler nods. 12:46 < Kel> what would he think of Glazed's magic? 12:47 < PDV> I don't remember too much about Glazed's magic 12:47 < Kel> everyone gets it 12:47 < Kel> temporary things can be made, and floaty-glass can me made 12:47 < PDV> (For Cassiel's world he would be an Atheist and probably dead quickly.) 12:48 < Teceler> heh 12:48 < FacelessWork> Teceler, Cassiel's world is original? 12:48 < FacelessWork> PDV, how about Pantheon/Arabek kind of worlds? 12:48 < Teceler> FacelessWork: Cassiel's world is from a Civ4 mod. Fall From Heaven 12:49 < PDV> As an Arabek god, he keeps his blessing set small and gives them to literally everyone in his domain 12:49 < Kel> how does he get enough Noms? 12:50 < Kel> (unit of attention from mortals required to sustain a god) 12:50 < PDV> I don't think I saw the final version of how Noms are spent 12:50 < Kel> ah 12:50 < Kel> I think it was one nom per week 12:50 < Kel> and some amount of niblets per divine creation or rearrangement 12:50 < PDV> per blessing? 12:50 < Kel> hm, I don't remember for those 12:51 < Kel> do anyone's logs go back that far? 12:51 < PDV> oh and as not a god, he tries to find a god who he can convince to do that 12:51 < Teceler> I don't remember if there was a thing that blessings took 12:51 < PDV> He would get along well with Rae, though probably not well enough to be an acolyte 12:51 < Teceler> that we know, I mean 12:52 < PDV> I think he would be totally fine with Glazed magic, actually 12:52 < Kel> yay 12:53 < Teceler> ...pffft how does he feel about alethics? 12:53 < Teceler> that's not an inborn system but 12:53 < PDV> I think he tries to figure out how to sacrifice alethics in an alethic ritual 12:53 < Teceler> ... 12:53 < Kel> pf 12:53 < PDV> :D 12:54 < Teceler> DIVIDE BY ZERO ERROR PLEASE REBOOT UNIVERSE AND TRY AGAIN 12:54 -!- Evenstar has joined #backstage 12:54 < Teceler> :P 12:54 < Teceler> hello Evenstar 12:54 < Evenstar> Hi! 12:54 < Kel> Hi! 12:54 * Evenstar tagged a Butcher 12:54 < Evenstar> (OTC pays really sinfully well) 12:54 < Kel> hee 12:55 * Kel is working on catalog of plant seeds 12:55 < Evenstar> (I'm especially proud of 'Prayers Month') 12:55 < Teceler> hee 12:55 < PDV> To be fair, he probably spends some time climbing the power hierarchy first, and tries to replace everything that makes the world livable using the massive mana dump 12:55 < Teceler> wow OTC XD 12:55 < PDV> He might install a new magic system more to his liking to replace it 12:58 < Evenstar> (And now I'm thinking about restrictions on prayers month) 12:58 < PDV> Prayers Month? 12:58 < Kel> (could I have a link please?) 12:58 < Kel> (If it is a linkable thing) 12:58 < Evenstar> "No apocalypses, they're tacky and they reduce the number of customers the OTC has too much." 12:58 < Evenstar> http://glowfic.dreamwidth.org/7125.html?view=528597&posted=1#cmt528597 12:59 < Evenstar> (OTC's equivalent of year-end bonuses) 12:59 < Kel> (thank you!) 13:01 < Evenstar> (Examples of Prayers Month prayers for entry-level employees:) 13:01 < Evenstar> ("Stop diseases from existing on my planet") 13:01 < Teceler> ... 13:01 < FacelessWork> PDV: I think blessings come in a specific set and you cant "keep them small" 13:02 < FacelessWork> would Theo kill a god to become one? 13:02 < Kel> /all/ diseases? 13:02 < Kel> I think gods pick their blessings 13:02 < PDV> Theo *might* 13:02 < PDV> Gods do pick their blessings. And I think they can leave some unpicked. 13:03 < Evenstar> Kel: Well, it'd probably deal with most of everything. Malaria, TB, Ebola, anything viral or bacterial would probably be dealt with. 13:03 < Evenstar> Genetic diseases might be trickier and take a bit more time. 13:03 < Kel> would it be one time, or a continuing effect? 13:03 < FacelessWork> pdv, I misunderstood 13:04 < Teceler> Kel: ...yeah that would be relevant to Glazed 13:04 < Teceler> wouldn't it 13:04 < Kel> yep 13:04 < Evenstar> Kel: Assume 'anything you could do with a Star is doable OTC-chron' 13:04 < Kel> neat! 13:04 < Kel> thank you for clarifying 13:05 < Evenstar> "Terraform all of mars" probably takes longer than a single OTC-chron, but if you asked for that OTC would instead give you a nice big enclosed habitat on mars using the time it had dedicated for you. 13:06 < Evenstar> Basically it will give you 'as close as possible within time constraints' 13:06 < FacelessWork> PDV, do you have plans for Theo? like it is meant to general sandboxing? MWF? 13:06 < PDV> I do not think he will MWF 13:06 < PDV> because I do not have a setting in mind 13:06 < Evenstar> A full hour of OTC-chron probably would work to terraform mars though. 13:06 < PDV> But sandboxing, yes, and possibly longer stories 13:06 < FacelessWork> pdv, plus he is a fire inducing charater? 13:07 < Evenstar> (Also, careful and detailed 'prayers' mean that OTC spends less time figuring out what you want and more time implementing it) 13:07 < FacelessWork> what Theo would do in a non.magical world? 13:07 < PDV> Yes he tends to create fire. He exists because Arthurs and Suzies and Sams do not light anything on fire. 13:07 < Evenstar> (Hence 'prayers month', when all the employees are writing up their plans for their year-end bonus.) 13:07 < Kel> can OTC-chrons be saved up? 13:07 < Evenstar> Kel: Yes, but you'd need to inform OTC in advance. 13:08 < Kel> that makes sense 13:08 < Evenstar> (It schedules the time in blocks) 13:08 < PDV> Faceless: Usually law, and does a lot of pro bono for the ACLU or whatever. Might also be an architect. (In Glazed he would be an architect, I think.) 13:09 < FacelessWork> (Who are Sams again? I remember the first two) 13:09 < FacelessWork> and yeah, it is good to have fire-inducing characters 13:10 < PDV> Sam is a lucky bastard. I think he may have only shown up as Flush in a sandbox with Timer/Nathan. 13:10 < PDV> (Most of his personality follows from him being the luckiest of bastards.) 13:14 < PDV> Are OTC employees prohibited from selling the right to pick their use of the OTC-Chron? 13:21 < FacelessWork> What being a bastard means in this context? I assuming his last name isnt snow. 13:21 < FacelessWork> I am* 13:22 < PDV> Imagine someone who can take it as an article of faith that nothing is ever going to go seriously wrong for him, or if it does it won't last. 13:22 < PDV> Picture how smug this man will be. 13:23 < PDV> This is approximately Sam. 13:28 < FacelessWork> That sounds rather smug 13:28 < Kel> brb, lunch 13:28 < FacelessWork> but he is... amoral? 13:29 -!- Kel is now known as Kelsewhere 13:30 -!- Adelene is now known as Napdelene 13:31 < FacelessWork> oooh 13:31 < FacelessWork> how about Theo in hogwarts? 13:37 -!- Evenstar has quit 13:38 < FacelessWork> Pdv? 13:39 < PDV> sorry, my away detector is terrible 13:39 < PDV> He isn't amoral, but he's very Slytherin 13:40 < FacelessWork> So...selfish, and not the kind to set things on fire even with the smugness 13:40 < PDV> Theo in Hogwarts could end up in Slytherin, Ravenclaw, or Gryffindor depending on how he feels on sorting day 13:41 < FacelessWork> Wait, Sam is the slytherin you mentioned before? 13:41 < PDV> Yes, sorry. 13:41 < FacelessWork> dont be 13:41 < FacelessWork> (Arthur and Suzie are what house?) 13:42 < PDV> (Eh, clarity is important.) Sam is loyal and would prefer the world to be a nicer place to live in, but it's not important to him. He might end up heroic but only if events put him there. 13:42 < PDV> Arthur and Suzy together will be Hufflepuffs, because they're close friends and each has a reason (though totally different ones) to be there. 13:43 < PDV> If they haven't met, Arthur is Slythern (he's very much like Slughorn) and Suzy is probably Gryffindor 13:46 < PDV> Theo is harder to figure out, because under stress he takes a direct, Gryffindory approach to problems and is fairly selfishly loyal, but most of the time he prefers to act like a Ravenclaw in both how he talks about rightness and planning solutions. Which is why he could end up all over the place. 13:52 < FacelessWork> Well, what would he want? 13:52 < FacelessWork> Sorting hat takes choices on account 14:04 < FacelessWork> Theo would be a muggleborn? 14:08 -!- PDV is now known as PDVanished 14:21 -!- VerdanZZZ has quit 14:46 -!- Kelsewhere is now known as Kel 14:46 < Kel> bk 14:46 < Kel> had to do a school thing 14:46 < Teceler> wb 14:47 < Kel> thanks! 14:47 < Teceler> I have to head out for a thing in about half and hour 14:47 < Teceler> *an 14:47 < Kel> ok 14:47 < Kel> oh! 14:47 < Kel> I should see if I can godsfire 14:48 * Teceler encourages. 15:01 -!- MTC has quit 15:05 -!- PDVanished is now known as PDV 15:10 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Away 15:16 -!- tecephone has joined #backstage 15:16 -!- tecephone2 has joined #backstage 15:16 -!- tecephone2 has quit 15:16 -!- tecephone has quit 15:18 -!- tecephone has joined #backstage 15:18 < Kel> hi 15:22 -!- tecephone has quit 15:24 -!- tecephone has joined #backstage 15:28 < Kel> By is a xvatsvfure? 15:28 <@kappabeta> ??????? 15:29 < Kel> I don't know if it is a spoiler 15:29 < Kel> so rot13 15:29 <@kappabeta> if that's a rot13 template name - aha 15:30 <@kappabeta> He is a canon character who fit the name attractor and roughly fit the life situation, and his love interest roughly fit the attached template. So I template-replaced him, yes. XD 15:30 < Kel> XD 15:30 < Kel> I was not expecting that although it makes sense 15:30 < Kel> how does the name attractor work? 15:31 <@kappabeta> [r] [one or more vowels] [p, b, f, or v] is the standard, but the same thing backward is also acceptable. 15:32 <@kappabeta> So, Byerly. 15:32 < Kel> yay!~ 15:32 <@kappabeta> <3 15:43 -!- tecephone2 has joined #backstage 15:43 -!- tecephone has quit 15:51 < FacelessWork> Byerly? 15:51 < Kel> in the Lost Pen and Miles sandbox 15:52 < FacelessWork> ah 15:52 < FacelessWork> havent read that yet 15:52 < Kel> it is a cute 15:55 < FacelessWork> in what sense? 15:55 < Kel> it is a cute sandbox 15:55 < Kel> containing cute characters 15:55 < Kel> being cutue 15:55 < Kel> *cute 16:02 < FacelessWork> Well, I wiill be the judge of that! 16:02 < FacelessWork> in a couple of hours 16:08 -!- tecephone2 has quit 16:10 -!- tecephone2 has joined #backstage 16:15 -!- tecephone2 has quit 16:15 -!- tecephone2 has joined #backstage 16:25 -!- tecephone2 is now known as tecephone 16:35 < Kel> huh. there is rain again 16:35 -!- FacelessWork has quit 16:42 -!- tecephone2 has joined #backstage 16:42 -!- tecephone has quit 16:43 -!- tecephone2 has quit 16:45 -!- Teceler|Away is now known as Teceler 16:46 * Teceler flops. 16:46 < Teceler> sorry about my phone 17:25 -!- Kel is now known as Kelsewhere 17:31 -!- Kelsewhere has quit 17:32 -!- Verdancy has joined #backstage 17:32 < Verdancy> Hi, everyone. 17:33 < Teceler> hello 17:33 -!- Kelsewhere has joined #backstage 17:33 < Verdancy> Hi, Kel. 17:34 < Teceler> I'm not sure that's actually a Kel 17:34 * Teceler pokes at. 17:35 < Verdancy> ...What do you mean by "not actually a Kel"? 17:35 < Teceler> ...I mean I think that's her computer auto-reconnecting 17:36 < Teceler> that Kel is not actually there 17:36 < Teceler> that was unclear sorry XD 17:36 < Verdancy> Oh, okay 17:36 < Verdancy> It's fine 17:36 < Verdancy> I just had a moment 17:37 < Teceler> you up for talking potions? 17:37 < Verdancy> Yes! 17:38 < Teceler> okay, I've got the list here somewhere... 17:39 -!- Kel has joined #backstage 17:40 < Kel> hi 17:40 < Teceler> wb 17:40 < Verdancy> Hi, Kel! 17:40 < Kel> Verdancy Hi! 17:40 < Teceler> parallel processing potion, radical reparum, potent invigorating elixir, licorice cortado tea, red berry ward tea, dryad's spirit potion (sorta), mr. nobody's potable, midnight thyme tea, basil bumbleleaf tea, and vial of bliss are the ones here I would expect to have a lasting effects 17:41 < Verdancy> Okay, red berry ward does magical cleanliness effect 17:41 < Teceler> I assume licorice cortado and red berry ward stick to morphs 17:41 < Verdancy> But like, in a luck-based way? Kind of like how Takkarash do the pain-ward 17:42 < Verdancy> Mhmm 17:42 < Verdancy> Yes. 17:42 < Teceler> that makes sense 17:43 < Teceler> my inclination is that invigorating elixir also sticks to the morph. that or it goes inactive if you resleeve into a morph that doesn't need to sleep 17:45 < Verdancy> I think it would be a morph thing. 17:45 * Teceler nods. 17:45 -!- Butcher has joined #backstage 17:45 < Verdancy> Parallel processing potion I think we decided was an ego thing, though? 17:45 < Verdancy> Hi, Butcher. 17:45 < Kel> hi 17:45 < Teceler> hello 17:46 < Teceler> I think so, yeah 17:46 < Butcher> hi 17:47 < Verdancy> I think radical reparum would also be an ego thing. 17:50 < Verdancy> Dryads are plant sims. I think that all of the occult potions would be morph-only. 17:51 * Teceler nods. 17:51 < Verdancy> Although maybe once they knew what occult types looked like they could manufacture morphs of them? 17:51 < Teceler> depends on how much and what kind of of magic is required 17:52 < Teceler> ...oh, Firewall is going to try to duplicate the potions. I assume fabbing them fails to make things with the properties? 17:52 < Verdancy> Yep. 17:52 < Verdancy> They're not putting any magic in. They'll look exactly the same but they won't do anything. 17:53 < Teceler> pffft 17:53 < Verdancy> ...That would be a nasty surprise for whoever tried to use them. 17:53 < Verdancy> Goal-people would be able to tell, though, but not at a distance. 17:54 < Teceler> I'm assuming they're going to test it in a safe way XD 17:54 <@Sonata> I mean, presumably they would test before relying 17:54 < Teceler> that, yeah 17:54 < Verdancy> Mhmm 17:54 < Verdancy> I am thinking of like 17:54 < Verdancy> A conflict situation? 17:54 * Verdancy tries to word 17:54 < Verdancy> Wherein you want to trick someone 17:55 < Teceler> ah, if they get mixed up 17:55 <@Sonata> that could possibly work 17:55 < Teceler> ...at the very least alethics should probably be able to /check/ 17:56 < Verdancy> Mhmm 17:56 < Verdancy> I am picturing an emergency kind of situation 17:57 <@Napdelene> /nick Adelene 17:57 -!- Napdelene is now known as Adelene 17:57 < Teceler> hello Adelene 17:57 < Verdancy> Hi, Adelene! 17:57 <@Adelene> hi :) 17:57 <@Sonata> hello 18:03 < Verdancy> Mr. Nobody's potable won't stop, like, a facial recognition system, but it would stop someone looking at someone through a camera from recognizing them 18:03 < Teceler> facial recognition systems are /everywhere/ in Eclipse 18:03 < Verdancy> Yep 18:04 < Verdancy> Lizzie could possibly make one that worked on facial recognition systems but it doesn't do that natively 18:04 < Verdancy> Since facial recognition systems are nowhere in Goal 18:04 * Teceler nods. 18:05 < Verdancy> ...She's probably going to be kind of miffed at how less-useful her potions are in other worlds 18:05 < Teceler> pfffft 18:05 <@Adelene> The useful ones are still super useful though. 18:06 < Verdancy> Mhmm 18:06 <@Adelene> (Like, I get the impression that bliss potions are no big deal on Goal? And Lurker was like 'gimmie' and then Firewall was like 'yes please'.) 18:06 < Verdancy> Yep. 18:06 < Kel> brb neighbor dog 18:06 < Verdancy> kay 18:06 < Teceler> okay 18:07 < Verdancy> Bliss potions are basically the first potion any alchemist learns and the only ingredient they require is anything edible 18:07 <@Adelene> (Yeah, Tyche/etc may have noticed that 'leave some bliss potions for people who need them in Nexus' did not appreciably result in her limiting their supply. ^^ 'Cause she was like 'gimmie' at Lizzie.) 18:08 < Teceler> XD 18:08 <@Adelene> (I mean, politely, but.) 18:08 < Teceler> pffft 18:08 < Verdancy> ...Lizzie is probably more likely to outsource bliss potion production than make them herself 18:08 < Teceler> XD 18:09 < Verdancy> Because they're really easy and don't require a lot of expertise in alchemy 18:09 * Teceler nods. 18:09 < Verdancy> ...Meanwhile, the people she's commissioned wonder if she's found a way to weaponize bliss potions 18:10 < Teceler> Eclipse feels vaguely like bliss potions -- pfffffft 18:10 <@Adelene> In other news this is a really upbear Joker song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k009TIxQc8 18:10 < Teceler> like they ought to be ego things 18:10 <@Adelene> *snicker* 18:10 * Verdancy nods 18:10 < Teceler> why are the people she commissioned wondering that, Verdancy, how is she acting about it XD 18:11 < Verdancy> Lizzie: aight I need 100 potions of bliss by next Monday, don't ask questions 18:11 < Teceler> XD 18:11 < Verdancy> But really it's because what /else/ would you be doing with that many of a thing 18:12 < Teceler> Firewall: [coughs] 18:12 < Verdancy> Also because everyone kind of knows that she's been skirmishing with the underground cowplant operation 18:12 <@Adelene> Lurker: *gestures helplessly at /humans/* 18:12 < Teceler> Firewall: ...are you /that/ bad of OpSec? 18:12 < Verdancy> pffft 18:12 < Verdancy> It is a really small town 18:13 < Verdancy> And signature things keep happening 18:13 < Verdancy> Also they killed her mom 18:14 < Verdancy> She has /motive/ 18:14 < Teceler> Firewall: ...point 18:15 < Verdancy> Also, shady things in Goal are less "opsec" and more "plausible deniability" 18:15 < Verdancy> Everyone knows about the underground cowplant operation by now, too 18:18 < Butcher> Lady death has written a letter to Esthfora 18:18 < Butcher> how does one juggle a lot of accounts? 18:19 < Verdancy> Do you mean on the forum? 18:19 < Verdancy> Proboards has a thing where if you're logged into one you're logged into all of them and you can just switch between them 18:19 <@kappabeta> if you used the same email address to make all of them, that is 18:19 <@kappabeta> if you didn't there's a way to consolidate but I forget what it was 18:19 <@kappabeta> I did it successfully though 18:22 < Butcher> eh, I've searched and found that is you copy the adress of the "choose your character" screen you can rechoose, but didn't find a link to that screen. 18:25 < Teceler> okay, mr. nobody's potable, midnight thyme tea, basil bumbleleaf tea, vial of bliss are the ones I have left that aren't pinned down as ego or morph. 18:25 <@Adelene> I think the vial of bliss is instant anyway. 18:25 < Teceler> oh, I thought it kept them topped off for a while? 18:26 * Verdancy shakes head 18:26 < Verdancy> I think it's an ego thing, though 18:26 < Butcher> Ah, found sneaky little button bottom right corner. 18:26 <@Adelene> Improves things even if you're not currently stressed, is my understanding. 18:26 < Verdancy> Oh, good 18:26 * Verdancy nods 18:27 < Verdancy> Lizzie could make one with a continuous effect but the one she has now doesn't 18:28 <@Adelene> I think that's a 'yes please'. 18:28 < Teceler> XD 18:28 < Verdancy> Lizzie has been potioning since she was six. She can do it. 18:28 <@Adelene> I'm not 100% sure Lurker would have asked, though. 18:28 < Verdancy> She just needs about a month's R&D time. 18:28 <@Adelene> If it came up she probably asked for a couple to try. 18:29 < Teceler> ...so, how does Goal cooperate with time-dilation? :P 18:29 < Verdancy> hee 18:29 < Verdancy> Iiii'm not sure 18:29 < Verdancy> Hmm 18:30 < Kel> bk 18:30 < Verdancy> WB! 18:30 < Teceler> wb 18:31 < Kel> thanks! 18:31 <@Adelene> o/ 18:32 < Verdancy> Goal will cooperate with time dilation but it has to be a lot thing 18:32 < Verdancy> Um 18:32 < Verdancy> As in, lots in Sims 18:33 <@Adelene> Like you can time-dilate the plot of land a house is on? 18:33 < Verdancy> Yep 18:37 < Verdancy> Abt basil bumbleaf- the luck is definitely ego, I think the fire is morph 18:37 < Teceler> pfft 18:37 < Teceler> so that one splits? 18:37 < Teceler> does it do that okay? 18:38 < Verdancy> It's kind of two effects that she mashed together 18:38 < Verdancy> For. Reasons. 18:38 < Teceler> pfffft 18:38 < Teceler> why? 18:38 < Verdancy> She kept blowing stuff up and setting herself on fire, of course 18:38 < Teceler> ...Inventing? 18:38 < Kel> recreation? 18:38 < Verdancy> Inventing and making potions, mostly, although some inventing proper 18:39 < Verdancy> Not recreationally 18:39 < Verdancy> If you ask her about if she will deny it vehemently 18:39 < Teceler> pffft 18:39 < Verdancy> THAT NEVER HAPPENED 18:39 < Verdancy> I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 18:40 < Verdancy> GO AWAY 18:40 < Teceler> XD 18:43 < Teceler> okay, mr nobody's potable is ego or morph? I could see that going either way. same for midnight thyme tea 18:43 < Verdancy> ummmm 18:43 < Verdancy> I think we decided midnight thyme was kind of both 18:43 < Verdancy> But mostly ego? 18:44 < Teceler> --okay, if you resleeve with either of those on, does it follow the ego or the morph? 18:44 < Teceler> is the question, I think? 18:44 < Verdancy> Oh 18:44 < Verdancy> The ego for midnight thyme 18:45 < Verdancy> I /think/ the ego for Mr. Nobody's Potable 18:45 <@kappabeta> I finally got around to looking up lady death's message, is Butcher still around? 18:46 < Verdancy> I need to go food 18:46 < Verdancy> Be back soonish 18:46 -!- Verdancy is now known as Verdancy|Food 18:46 < Teceler> enjoy 18:47 < Verdancy|Food> Thanks 18:47 < Butcher> barely 18:47 < Butcher> but yes 18:50 <@kappabeta> what is "W.f.G" 18:51 <@Sonata> ~it is a mystery~ 18:51 < Butcher> With friendly Greetings. 18:51 < Kel> what is the thing? 18:51 <@kappabeta> also, Esthfora is one more protection away from having to drop her linear memory of the forum out of confusion 18:51 <@kappabeta> do you still want her to protect Lady of Death? 18:52 < Teceler> ...um 18:52 < Teceler> can she still protect new people after that? 18:52 < Butcher> I didn't know that. Lady death surely didn't know that. 18:52 <@kappabeta> Nobody IC knows that, including Esthfora 18:52 < Teceler> I thought Esthfora knew? 18:52 <@kappabeta> She can still protect more new people after that, tec 18:52 < Teceler> okay 18:52 < Kel> that is important 18:52 < Teceler> yeah 18:52 <@kappabeta> <3 18:53 < Kel> <3 18:53 < Butcher> but if you think you don't want to deal with the hazzle of that you can drop it. Buuut if this was a more game-y RPG I would totally be: "No metagaming!" 18:54 < Teceler> we metagame lots XD 18:54 < Kel> XD 18:54 < Butcher> I try to actively not. 18:55 < Butcher> I was already feeling guilty as hell to have lady death point out that there's such things as unlimited processing power. 18:55 < Kel> when does she? 18:55 < Butcher> http://manyworlds.boards.net/thread/117/planning-post-people-treat?page=4 18:56 < Kel> when does she do that? 18:56 < Butcher> If you had a bunch of magic, say a milligramm of it, in the form of every arrangement one million words chosen from a dictionary can take, how much mana would that create? 18:56 < Kel> a milligram of it? 18:56 < Butcher> She's thinking of gabby 18:57 < Teceler> that is a question for link 18:58 < Teceler> computation does create mana from, like, overwritten useless stuff, but the impression I've gotten is that isn't very /much/ 18:58 < Butcher> not very much times an arbitrary number is a lot. 18:59 < Teceler> I don't think it works that way 18:59 < Teceler> again, question for link 18:59 < Butcher> That's why she's asking. 18:59 < Teceler> ...okay, something that I think might be an ooc tonality issue 19:00 < Teceler> your characters very often talk like something is a statement of fact 19:00 < Teceler> if that was a question it didn't come across that way 19:00 < Butcher> there's a "?" 19:00 < Teceler> oh 19:00 < Teceler> actually I was thinking of the thing about Miku 19:01 -!- Kel is now known as Kelsupper 19:01 < Teceler> which, like, what grounds does she have to assume it works that way? 19:01 < Teceler> enjoy your supper Kel 19:01 < Kelsupper> thanks! 19:01 < Butcher> Uh, over a hundred and twenty years of experience with dark magic? 19:01 < Teceler> okay 19:01 < Teceler> in her magic system yes 19:02 < Teceler> but it is not clear that is the only thing that statement is meant to apply to 19:02 < Butcher> that's why she is saying "If I would sacrifice" 19:03 < Teceler> ...yeah but it's not clear that it's her sacrificing that /in her system/, she's also talking about other systems in the same post 19:03 < Butcher> and not "If someone with a magic system I know nothing about" 19:03 < Butcher> Eh... 19:04 < Butcher> bolded and italicised the I 19:05 < Butcher> "your characters very often talk like something is a statement of fact" Gabby: There are no facts, silly, only probabilities. 19:06 < Teceler> /then why do you talk like there are/ 19:07 < Butcher> because disclaiming something everyone knows is pointless. 19:08 < Butcher> and gabby's utility function is better served by not partaking in your silly social stuff. 19:08 < Teceler> funny you say that 19:10 < Butcher> the forum raised his utility function by one! That's more than a collection of a thousand people normally does. 19:15 < Butcher> I'll post gabby's utility function when he decides to do something else for a few centuries. 19:16 < Butcher> but he's still with bree. 19:16 < Butcher> good night 19:16 < Teceler> sleep well? 19:21 -!- Butcher has quit 19:32 -!- Kelsupper is now known as Kel 19:32 < Kel> hi 19:32 < Teceler> wb 19:33 < Kel> thanks@ 19:35 -!- Evenstar has joined #backstage 19:35 < Evenstar> Afternoon~ 19:35 < Teceler> hello Evenstar 19:39 < Kel> Hi! 19:39 < Kel> ... oops late again sorry 19:40 < Kel> BE is trying to decide whether it is safe to give OTC fozhe seeds 19:41 < Evenstar> Hi! 19:41 < Teceler> what do they do? 19:42 < Evenstar> fozhe? 19:42 < Kel> they are sorta like bees 19:42 < Kel> weird self-modifying floating bees 19:42 < Kel> *gliding 19:42 <@kappabeta> kel your worldbuilding is so great <3 19:42 < Kel> eeeee thank you@ 19:43 < Kel> *! 19:43 < Evenstar> <3 19:44 <@Sonata> self-modifying sounds potentially dangerous 19:45 < Kel> modifying toward mostly better at drifting long distances, and having more colorful leaders 19:46 * Kel pokes at editing 19:46 < Kel> they might be modified to a domesticated pattern with infertile leaders 19:47 < Kel> so they could still modify worker tifozhe but not create new leaders 19:47 < Teceler> that is... less dangerous? 19:47 < Teceler> but still, like 19:47 < Kel> yeah 19:47 < Kel> she is unsure of how well other people's ecosystems work 19:48 < Teceler> she could ask! 19:48 < Kel> hm 19:48 * Kel goes to forum 19:49 < Kel> yeah the "planning a post ..." thread is kinda a mess right now 19:49 < Kel> sorry 19:49 < Teceler> that probably needs split, yeah. Sonata? 19:50 <@Sonata> *looks* 19:52 < Kel> all right now she has aksed 19:52 < Kel> hopefully it will spark discussion! 19:56 <@Sonata> ok, split done. 19:58 < Kel> oh, I was planning to ask butcher if Lady Death could acquire a face, but forgot 20:08 < Evenstar> ... She has a face. 20:08 < Evenstar> I think? 20:08 < Teceler> on forum 20:08 < Teceler> I think 20:09 < Evenstar> Oh 20:09 < Kel> but it is identicle to the anon face 20:09 < Evenstar> yeah she should have a face 20:09 < Kel> and it is weird when she is talking to an /actual/ anon 20:09 < Kel> ... let me know if anonymous gets too annoying and I will stop 20:10 < Teceler> pfft 20:13 < Kel> ... yeah, she is /not/ going to explain her best guesses as to how imaginary people are made 20:13 < Kel> like. at all 20:13 < Teceler> [hugs for Janice] 20:13 < Kel> [Janice is hugged] 20:14 < Kel> despite vehement denial, this is still reading as 'I am a mass murderer and want to create people to sacrifice' 20:15 < Teceler> I figured 20:15 < Teceler> thus, hugs 20:15 <@Adelene> indeed 20:15 < Teceler> ...I am wondering what she thought of Tyche's post XD 20:16 < Kel> she thought about it for a minute, then decided that it is okay to sacrifice copies of volunteers 20:17 < Kel> probably 20:17 < Kel> it helps that she was recently thinking about whether backups count as the same person 20:25 < Kel> ...yeah tifozhe could definitely be a powerful invasive species 20:25 < Kel> unless they couldn't digest local plants 20:25 < Teceler> well 20:25 < Teceler> it's good BE asked? 20:25 < Kel> yep 20:26 < Kel> she has no idea how to make them /safe/ though 20:32 < Teceler> brb 20:32 < Kel> k 20:36 < Teceler> bk 20:37 < Kel> wb! 20:37 < Teceler> thanks 20:45 < Kel> moving back to other computer 20:45 < Teceler> okay 20:46 -!- Kel has quit 20:52 -!- guacamole has joined #backstage 20:52 -!- guacamole is now known as FacelessTired 20:52 < FacelessTired> hi 20:52 < Teceler> hello 20:55 < FacelessTired> how are things? 20:58 -!- Kelsewhere is now known as Kel 20:58 < Kel> hi 20:58 < Teceler> wb 21:00 < FacelessTired> wibbles 21:00 < Kel> thanks! 21:15 < Teceler> ping 21:15 < Kel> ? 21:15 < Teceler> okay 21:15 < Teceler> testing if internet was working 21:15 < Kel> oh 21:15 < Kel> that makes sense 21:16 < Kel> I was also starting to wonder 21:16 < Teceler> someone else was having internet problems 21:16 < Teceler> (here) 21:30 -!- kappabeta has left #backstage 21:49 <@Sonata> Evenstar, only one c in necessary (re: ladydeath dw thread) 21:50 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Away 22:14 < Kel> hello here is a gif of a hedgehog in a hat http://drethelin.tumblr.com/post/126392922138 22:14 < Kel> it is cute 22:14 <@Adelene> heh. 22:15 -!- FacelessTired has quit 22:23 * Adelene wonders idly if anyone has any thoughts/reactions re: Lurker/Tyche thread. 22:23 * Kel is /so behind/ 22:24 <@Adelene> *hug* 22:24 < Kel> *hug* 22:24 <@Adelene> It's here: [gdocs link redacted] I update it most nights, but we're waiting on Link right now so no update today. 22:25 -!- Verdancy|Food is now known as Verdancy 22:25 <@Adelene> (It's, uh, long.) 22:25 < Kel> Hi Verdancy! 22:25 -!- PDV is now known as PDVanished 22:25 <@Adelene> o/ 22:25 < Verdancy> I am returned! From food and chores and showers 22:25 < Verdancy> Hi! 22:26 <@Adelene> :) 22:26 < Kel> welcome back! 22:26 < Verdancy> Thanks! 22:26 < Verdancy> :) 22:27 <@Adelene> (*pokes thing* yeah, 17k words over nearly 60 pages, is long.) 22:28 < Kel> ... 22:28 < Kel> O.O 22:28 < Kel> that is many 22:28 <@Adelene> *giggles* 22:29 < Verdancy> I just saw the hedgehog gif 22:30 < Verdancy> It was cute and then the hat fell over and I was all oh no! 22:30 < Verdancy> Poor hedgehog 22:30 < Kel> yeah 22:30 < Verdancy> He cannot escape 22:30 < Kel> I assume it was rescued afterward 22:30 < Verdancy> mhmm 22:30 -!- Teceler|Away is now known as Teceler 22:30 <@Adelene> o/ 22:30 < Kel> Hi! 22:31 < Kel> ohno 22:31 <@Adelene> Tec did you know we've written 17k words of Tyche/Lurker? 22:31 < Teceler> pfffft 22:31 < Teceler> hey people 22:31 < Teceler> Adelene no I did not know that XD 22:31 <@Adelene> ^^ 22:31 < Verdancy> Hi, Teceler! 22:31 < Verdancy> Kel: what is oh no? 22:32 < Kel> ohno is I got distracted partway through tagging fire 22:32 < Verdancy> Oh, okay 22:32 < Teceler> [hugs] 22:32 < Teceler> it's okay 22:32 * Verdancy offers hugs 22:54 < Verdancy> ping 22:54 < Teceler> pong 22:54 < Verdancy> hee 22:54 < Verdancy> (just checking internet) 22:55 * Teceler nods. 22:55 < Verdancy> Although, Teceler, is there anything else we need to nail down about potions? 22:55 * Teceler goes to find Tyche's pm 22:55 < Verdancy> I have it and I could copy it, if you want 22:55 < Teceler> what happens if you fork someone with a temporary effect on them? 22:57 < Verdancy> I'm inclined to say both copies have the effect, with half the time the one had remaining 22:57 < Verdancy> because now the magic is working double-time 22:57 < Teceler> that makes sense, yes 22:58 < Teceler> the potions aren't addictive at all, right? Or. Well, you can probably become dependent on them, but that's not /quite/ the sam ething? 22:58 < Verdancy> They're not addictive 22:58 < Verdancy> Also, by and large, no nasty side-effects 22:58 * Teceler nods. 22:59 < Verdancy> You /could/ get used to the way your brain works on parallel processing and then feel really icky when you were off of it, though 22:59 < Teceler> what happens if you use a potion that takes effect next time you sleep on a synthmorph? 22:59 < Verdancy> If you don't sleep the effect just never discharges 22:59 < Verdancy> But remind me about synthmorphs? 22:59 < Teceler> ...I think that might count as mental addictiveness under EP's rules. At least if it's very easy to get used to 22:59 < Teceler> synthmorphs don't sleep. 23:00 <@Adelene> Don't the sim bots also not sleep, and it goes by when they recharge instead? 23:00 < Verdancy> Yeah, then the effect is just kind of pending indefinitely 23:00 * Verdancy nods 23:01 < Verdancy> But recharging is a /lot/ like sleep 23:01 < Verdancy> I don't know if synthmorphs do a similar thing? 23:01 < Teceler> I don't think so 23:01 < Teceler> I mean 23:01 < Verdancy> I think the thing is "dormancy period with recharging" 23:01 < Teceler> they might be able to enter a powersaving state? 23:02 < Verdancy> That could do it 23:02 < Verdancy> Or they could just use the instantaneous ones 23:02 < Teceler> heh 23:02 < Teceler> yeah 23:02 < Teceler> "Strength of luck from Bumblebee Basil Tea" is the last thing I think then 23:03 < Verdancy> Um, also I should mention about targeting, the enlightenment potions confer knowledge about how to do something 23:03 < Teceler> it's not at all targeted 23:03 < Verdancy> They will not tell you the price of tea in Shang Simla 23:03 < Teceler> pffft 23:04 < Verdancy> Yes, I mean- it's random, but random within that scope 23:04 * Teceler nods. 23:04 < Verdancy> Is all 23:04 < Verdancy> Iiiii have not nailed down the luck strength 23:04 < Verdancy> I've been thinking about it 23:04 < Teceler> --I'm thinking 'active skill, not knowledge skill' here, is that approximately correct? 23:04 < Teceler> um 23:05 < Teceler> active skills are skills used to do things 23:05 < Teceler> basically 23:05 < Verdancy> Yeah 23:05 < Verdancy> (I am trying to translate it from 'XP in Sims skill') 23:05 < Kel> oh I should sleep soon 23:05 * Teceler nods. 23:05 < Verdancy> Good night? 23:06 < Kel> I don't know 23:06 < Kel> I think I'll brush my teeth and then decide 23:06 < Verdancy> Okay 23:07 < Verdancy> Re: luck: I was considering making a system to measure it based on how often you can force a coinflip 23:08 < Teceler> hm 23:09 < Verdancy> Like. Can you make it land heads 2/3 or the time, 3/4, 4/5...? 23:09 < Verdancy> *of the time 23:09 < Teceler> Given EP it might count as a bonus point of moxie for the session 23:09 < Verdancy> What's moxie do? 23:12 < Teceler> "In game play, Moxie is used to influence the odds in your favor. Every game session, your character begins with a number of Moxie points equal to their Moxie stat. Moxie points may be spent for any of the following effects: 23:12 < Teceler> • The character may ignore all negative modifiers that apply to a test. The Moxie point must be spent before dice are rolled. 23:12 < Teceler> • The character may flip-flop a d100 roll result. For example, an 83 would become a 38. 23:12 < Teceler> • The character may upgrade a success, making it a critical success, as if they rolled doubles. The character must succeed in the test before they spend the Moxie point. 23:12 < Teceler> • The character may ignore a critical failure, treating it as a regular failure instead. 23:12 < Teceler> • The character may go first in an Action Phase (p. 189). 23:12 < Teceler> Only 1 point of Moxie may be spent on a single roll. 23:12 < Teceler> Moxie points will fluctuate during gameplay, as they are spent and sometimes regained. 23:12 < Teceler> Regaining Moxie: At the gamemaster’s discretion, Moxie points may be refreshed up to the character’s full Moxie stat any time the character rests for a significant period. Moxie points may also be regained if the character achieves a personal goal, as determined by their Motivations (see p. 120). The gamemaster determines how much Moxie is regained in proportion to the goal achieved." 23:12 <@Adelene> Oh, also, what's the deal with overusing potions? Lurker didn't bother to mention that, she's just including a bunch of the relevant tea regardless. 23:13 < Verdancy> The deal with overusing potions is that you get nauseous and headachey. 23:13 < Teceler> oh, did Lurker wind up including some anti-poison stuff? 23:13 <@Adelene> We don't have any yet. 23:13 < Teceler> ah 23:13 < Teceler> I thought there was something that that thing 23:14 <@Adelene> *examines* 23:14 < Teceler> Chicory Sweetgrass 23:14 <@Adelene> yeah. ok, bunch of that, too. 23:14 < Teceler> heh 23:14 <@Adelene> Like, small bunch, but bunch. 23:15 < Teceler> Eclipse has some exceedly nasty poisons. 23:15 <@Adelene> :P 23:15 * Teceler nods. 23:15 < Verdancy> If Lizzie is informed of that, she probably starts working on a potent version 23:15 < Teceler> heh 23:16 < Teceler> oh, that was the other thing, Tyche was going to ask about potency of mundane cure elixir vs. that against poisons. with probably something about nanotoxins 23:16 < Verdancy> Are nanotoxins nanomachines whose purpose is to go into human bodies and fuck shit up? 23:17 < Teceler> they are a subset of that thing XD 23:17 <@Adelene> That sounds more like the parasite thing would apply. 23:17 < Verdancy> (If so, that counts as parasites) 23:17 < Verdancy> ninja'd 23:17 <@Adelene> heh 23:18 <@Adelene> oh, there's a question. Taking the healing stuff ahead of time, useful? 23:18 < Verdancy> Mundane cure elixir will /help/ with poisons. You will definitely suffer more comfortably. 23:18 < Teceler> pffft 23:18 < Verdancy> Adelene: yep 23:18 <@Adelene> cool. 23:19 < Verdancy> I mean, so long as it's still in your system, it'll do its thing if something bad happens 23:19 <@Adelene> How long does that last? 23:19 < Teceler> how long does -- that 23:19 < Verdancy> pfft 23:19 <@Adelene> heh, 23:19 < Verdancy> A day-ish? 23:19 <@Adelene> v. cool. 23:20 < Verdancy> I haven't nailed it down totally 23:20 < Verdancy> Um 23:20 < Verdancy> Licorice cortado can extend the affect 23:20 < Verdancy> *effect 23:20 < Teceler> pfft 23:23 < Verdancy> Oh, and the Hospital has a couple of potions with Super Secret recipes 23:23 < Verdancy> Lizzie is still pissed that she hasn't managed to duplicate the allergy one 23:23 <@Adelene> heh. 23:24 < Teceler> heh 23:24 < Verdancy> Although I think the other one is basically mundane cure elixir, so 23:25 <@Adelene> mmhmm 23:26 < Verdancy> Maybe it has a longer immunization? Or a more comprehensive one? 23:54 < Kel> good night 23:54 -!- Kel is now known as Kelsleep 23:54 < Teceler> good night --- Day changed Tue Aug 11 2015 00:00 < Verdancy> Good night, Kel. 00:05 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 00:05 < Verdancy> Hi? 00:10 -!- Evenstar has quit 00:33 -!- Sonata has quit 00:45 < Teceler> I need to go sleep 00:45 < Verdancy> Okay 00:45 < Verdancy> Good night, Teceler. 00:46 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Asleep 02:22 -!- butcher has joined #backstage 02:29 -!- butcher has quit
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Post by Mother Starlight on Aug 13, 2015 2:38:12 GMT
03:20 -!- Verdancy is now known as VerdanZZZ 03:20 < VerdanZZZ> Good night, everyone. 03:35 -!- Sky has quit 04:42 -!- butcher has joined #backstage 04:44 -!- Adelene has quit 04:47 -!- Adelene has joined #backstage 04:47 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Adelene] by ChanServ 05:39 -!- PDVanished has quit 06:59 -!- FacelessWork has joined #backstage 07:07 < FacelessWork> hi? 07:08 <@Adelene> o/ 07:16 -!- kappabeta has joined #backstage 07:16 -!- mode/#backstage [+o kappabeta] by ChanServ 07:17 <@Adelene> \o/ 07:54 -!- Kelsleep is now known as Kel 07:54 < Kel> Hi! 07:54 <@Adelene> o/ 07:54 < Kel> I am sorta bewildered by almost everything Lady of Death says 07:55 <@Adelene> Most of the things she says are pretty bewildering :P Anything in particular? 07:55 < Kel> the most recent 07:55 < Kel> 'I think fictional characters don't exist until someone builds them a body' 07:56 < Kel> /while talking to a fictional character who existed without a body/ 07:56 <@Adelene> I think that's 'exist in a morally relevant sense'. 07:56 <@Adelene> Not 'exist at all'. 07:57 < Kel> I think Miku described herself as existing in a morally relevant sense without a body though 07:57 <@Adelene> Not 100% clearly, for one, but also I think LoD might just be straight-up disagreeing with her. 07:58 < Kel> huh 07:58 < Kel> okay 07:58 <@Adelene> (Which: rude, but.) 07:58 < Kel> yeah 07:59 < Kel> oh I need to go to school 07:59 < Kel> bye! 07:59 -!- Kel is now known as Kelsewhere 07:59 <@Adelene> *hug* Good luck 07:59 < Kelsewhere> *hug* thank you 08:03 -!- Kelsewhere has quit 08:10 -!- Kelsewhere has joined #backstage 08:44 < FacelessWork> Kappa? 08:50 -!- Adelene has quit 08:50 <@kappabeta> hmm? 08:50 < FacelessWork> what the blessing of "improved sense integration" does? 09:00 <@kappabeta> It makes it easier and more effective to pay attention to all of your senses and understand your surroundings through them 09:00 <@kappabeta> Like, I'm nearsighted and often have a problem with focusing on one part of my visual field to the exclusion of the rest, so I miss things a lot; if I had that blessing, that problem would go away. 09:02 -!- VerdanZZZ has quit 09:11 < FacelessWork> ah, thanks 09:11 < FacelessWork> that sounds useless for sherlocks 09:11 < FacelessWork> xD 09:11 <@kappabeta> I mean, it's something they are already really good at, but magic could make them even better. 09:11 < FacelessWork> oh, that would be scary 09:11 < FacelessWork> and pearl is already scary 09:11 < FacelessWork> i want to see it done now :D 09:12 < FacelessWork> ».» 09:12 < FacelessWork> sorry, I meant that as a joke 09:23 -!- FacelessWork has quit 09:49 -!- Adelene has joined #backstage 09:49 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Adelene] by ChanServ 09:56 -!- Adelene has quit 10:02 -!- Adelene has joined #backstage 10:03 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Adelene] by ChanServ 10:10 -!- Teceler|Asleep is now known as Teceler 10:11 -!- Adelene has quit 11:02 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 11:02 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 11:15 -!- Adelene has joined #backstage 11:15 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Adelene] by ChanServ 11:15 <@Adelene> o/ 11:15 < Teceler> hello 11:16 * Adelene returns from job-related thing, which continues to go /exceptionally/ well. 11:16 < Teceler> that's good! 11:16 <@kappabeta> <3<3<3 11:16 <@Adelene> (They still want to hire me. Like, in the 'intend to, are actively inconvenienced at the law that says they can't' sense. :D ) 11:17 <@Adelene> Also, there was an exchange where I went 'social model of dissability? *hopeful eyebrows*' and she went 'yes :D', which. :D 11:20 -!- FacelessWork has joined #backstage 11:22 < FacelessWork> hi 11:22 < Teceler> hello 11:22 <@Adelene> o/ 11:34 -!- Evenstar has joined #backstage 11:34 < Evenstar> Morning all~ 11:34 < Teceler> good morning 11:37 < Evenstar> Oh hi Butcher 11:37 < Evenstar> you have a tag 11:37 -!- Sonata has quit 11:37 < Evenstar> (Lady Death's ears are acting like pogo sticks I'll bet) 11:38 < FacelessWork> oh, the Lost Pen in Barrayar is over, that was fast 11:38 < FacelessWork> (but I like it) 11:39 < Evenstar> also morning Teceler 11:39 < FacelessWork> (also, hi Evenstar) 11:39 < FacelessWork> how are things? 11:40 < Evenstar> Things are okay! 11:41 < Evenstar> Vacationthread suddenly appeared a scary plot though. 11:41 * Evenstar also needs to write another OTCorder, sigh 11:42 < Teceler> if you want ideas I'm sure people can be helpful :P 11:43 < Evenstar> hee 11:45 -!- Kelsewhere is now known as Kel 11:45 < Kel> hi 11:46 < Teceler> hello! 11:48 < Kel> also, from that, I agree that Ziega is probably written by the same author as Test Bed 11:52 <@Adelene> *pokes at* Lurker wrote a letter to people before she went to Eclipse, I should probably actually write that. 12:08 -!- PDV has joined #backstage 12:09 < Teceler> brb 12:09 < Teceler> (hello PDV) 12:09 < PDV> morning 12:09 < Kel> Hi! 12:12 < Teceler> bk 12:31 < Teceler> ...Cassiel is going augh at the thread about ritual sacrifice. Cassiel where are you in your timeline 12:32 < Teceler> I kind of need to know that if you want to respond to that 12:32 < Kel> pf 12:34 -!- FacelessWork has quit 12:37 < Kel> is anyone /not/ going augh at the thread about ritual sacrifice? 12:37 <@Adelene> Lurker kinda isn't? 12:37 <@Adelene> Only kinda. 12:37 < Teceler> ritual sacrifice is a thing that exists in Cassiel's world. In horrifying contexts. So. Um. 12:38 <@Adelene> (By the time she's reading it she's in Eclipse, so, like.) 12:38 < Teceler> (distracted?) 12:39 <@Adelene> Distracted, but also it's not a thing she'd heard of before, and human sacrifice in Eclipse is fundamentally okay, so any questions she's asking about it are presumably being answered acceptably. 12:40 < Teceler> given consent. It is not okay without consent XD 12:40 <@Adelene> Yup. 12:41 <@Adelene> (And miss Flings Self At Problems here is not at all weirded out by that being a thing that people consent to, either.) 12:41 -!- Evenstar has quit 12:41 < Teceler> (...yeah I am not surprised by that sadly) 12:50 < Kel> brb, zapping a food 13:00 < Kel> bk 13:00 < Teceler> wb 13:00 < Kel> thanks! 13:24 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Away 13:27 -!- tecephone has joined #backstage 13:33 -!- FacelessWork has joined #backstage 13:33 < FacelessWork> hi 13:34 < tecephone> Hi 13:34 < Kel> hi! 13:46 < butcher> It's a straight up misunderstanding. 13:47 < tecephone> Hm? 13:49 -!- Kel is now known as Kelaway 13:50 -!- Kelaway is now known as Kelish 14:00 < FacelessWork> what misunderstanding? 14:06 < butcher> 'I think fictional characters don't exist until someone builds them a body' 14:07 < butcher> She was an AI, wasn't she? So she had hardware. That is her body. 14:07 -!- Kelish is now known as Kelsewhere 14:07 < tecephone> Um that not point 14:08 < butcher> lady death is from an anachronism stew 14:08 < butcher> and can't wrap her mind around the issue. 14:21 -!- Verdancy has joined #backstage 14:22 < Verdancy> Hi, everyone. 14:23 < Kelsewhere> (Hi!) 14:25 < Verdancy> Hi, Kel! 14:28 -!- FacelessWork has quit 14:35 -!- tecephone has quit 14:36 -!- tecephone has joined #backstage 14:38 -!- tecephone has quit 14:39 -!- tecephone has joined #backstage 14:45 -!- tecephone has quit 14:47 -!- tecephone2 has joined #backstage 14:49 -!- Kelsewhere is now known as Kelish 14:49 * Kelish is slightly more here 14:51 < Kelish> I kinda wish I knew /less/ about the plants in Garden 14:51 < Kelish> but I spent a /lot/ of Freewrite time in English last year on them 14:54 -!- MTC has quit 15:07 -!- tecephone2 has quit 15:07 -!- tecephone2 has joined #backstage 15:09 -!- tecephone2 is now known as telephone 15:10 * Verdancy is here but kind of tired 15:10 -!- telephone is now known as tecephone 15:10 < Verdancy> pfft 15:10 < tecephone> Damn autocorrect XD 15:10 < Verdancy> hee 15:13 < Kelish> hee 15:29 -!- tecephone has quit 15:29 -!- Adelene1 has joined #backstage 15:31 -!- Adelene has quit 15:32 -!- tecephone has joined #backstage 15:35 -!- Adelene1 has quit 15:36 -!- Adelene has joined #backstage 15:36 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Adelene] by ChanServ 15:47 < Kelish> oh hey Kumi's back! 15:47 < Verdancy> oh 15:49 -!- tecephone has quit 15:49 -!- tecephone has joined #backstage 15:51 -!- tecephone has quit 15:52 * Teceler|Away is home! 15:52 -!- Teceler|Away is now known as Teceler 15:52 < Teceler> sorry about phone 15:52 < Kelish> Hi! 15:52 < Kelish> Welcome back! 15:52 < Teceler> thanks 16:12 < butcher> As to Lady Death's face: I want to pick it after visiting Mozee. 16:12 < butcher> Because it looks young. 16:13 < butcher> and I want her to announce it with "I am beautiful again!" 16:14 < butcher> Who is Mozee? 16:14 < Teceler> ...? 16:15 < butcher> The mage with the cloud. 16:15 < Verdancy> Sky plays Mozee. 16:15 < Teceler> oh 16:15 < butcher> ah 16:15 < butcher> k 16:15 < Teceler> who writes 16:15 -!- Evenstar has joined #backstage 16:15 < Kelish> Hi! 16:15 < butcher> hi 16:15 < Evenstar> Hi! 16:15 < Teceler> hello Evenstar 16:15 < Verdancy> Hi, Evenstar. 16:15 < Evenstar> Oh hi Butcher 16:15 < Kelish> it occurs to me to ask how much detail you want on the plants 16:16 < Kelish> because I've been going for a few paragraphs each 16:16 < Kelish> and I'm not sure what the right amount is 16:16 * Adelene notes here that butcher has replaced one character who was asked to leave for, basically, flaunting community norms in annoying ways for characterization purposes with another one who is also doing that thing. :P 16:16 < Evenstar> Hee. 16:16 * Evenstar needs to post more as Jinx. 16:16 < butcher> nice to meet you, looking at the logs yesterday we missed each other by minutes. 16:17 * Evenstar also encourages the existence of whoever it is who is the sims person who talks in chtspk 16:17 < Teceler> Verdancy 16:17 < Kelish> that is Verdancy! 16:17 * Evenstar does this despite hating the chtspk 16:17 < butcher> eh... It's mostly confusion about what is an imaginary person. 16:17 < Teceler> ha 16:17 < Kelish> XD 16:17 < Evenstar> Butcher: You have a tag there! 16:17 < butcher> I mean: What the heck is an imaginary person? 16:17 < Teceler> Butcher, I don't think it's just that thing 16:17 < Evenstar> (As usual, Eva comes along with terminology) 16:18 < Verdancy> I'm toning down the chatspeak 16:18 < Verdancy> I find it fun to write but it annoys other people, so 16:18 < Verdancy> Also I have IC excuses to tone it down 16:18 <@Adelene> I wasn't even talking about the imaginary character thing. I was talking about the lack of av, which is an OOC community norm even more than an IC one. 16:18 < Kelish> yay IC excuses to do things you want to do OOC!~ 16:18 < Verdancy> (Eva is helpful like that) 16:18 < Verdancy> (Yes) 16:19 * Evenstar also tags the Lady Death thread 16:19 < PDV> av? 16:19 < Teceler> avatar 16:19 <@Adelene> avatar. icon. the pic that goes with an account. 16:19 < PDV> ah 16:19 < Evenstar> that would have made more sense to me with an extra i 16:20 < PDV> (tar) 16:20 <@Adelene> *shrug* :P 16:20 < PDV> (That was a non sequitur but I couldn't not) 16:20 < Teceler> Verdancy, is there going to be an ic response to Tyche's pm? 16:20 < Verdancy> Um 16:20 < Verdancy> Yes 16:20 < Teceler> okay 16:21 < Verdancy> I have just been a busy Verdancy 16:21 < Teceler> it can probably wait until you have more brain or more time if it needs to 16:21 < Verdancy> More brain might be nice 16:21 < Teceler> [hugs] 16:21 < Kelish> [hug?] 16:21 < Verdancy> ...I owe Sky a tag, too 16:21 < Verdancy> *hugs* 16:21 < Teceler> we're not waiting on that at the moment, we're waiting on link 16:21 < Teceler> so 16:22 < Verdancy> okay 16:22 < Teceler> don't worry to much about it 16:22 < butcher> I want to have an avatar. I was just kinda waiting until my pony actually looks like that. 16:22 < Verdancy> Thanks. 16:22 < butcher> I shall take a temp one. 16:22 <@Adelene> good. 16:23 < butcher> sorry, didn't realize it was a problem 16:24 <@Adelene> *nod* 16:24 < butcher> and I was like "I want to finally do that thing then I can write that thing with the avatar. 16:24 < butcher> I should have used this one immediately, as it's supposed to be part of the "connect to forum" spell... 16:33 < Kelish> brb, tea 16:37 * butcher doubletag 16:38 < butcher> s 16:48 < butcher> aww, shell bell! 16:51 < Kelish> bk 16:51 < Kelish> Evenstar, how much detail do you want about plants? 16:51 < Teceler> wb Kel 16:51 < Kelish> I am concerned that I am making too much or not enough 16:51 < Kelish> thanks! 16:55 <@Adelene> Dunno about Evenstar, but my personal preference tends to run to overviews, with more information available as I notice I want it. Maybe dump the whole thing in a google doc for reference or something? 16:55 < Kelish> OKay 16:55 < Kelish> *Okay 16:56 < Kelish> overview on the level of "grows a tree that creates two rooms for people to live in" ? 16:56 <@Adelene> *nodnod* Sounds good. 16:57 < Kelish> okay 16:57 < Kelish> I was probably writing /way/ too much detail 16:57 < Kelish> oops 16:57 < Teceler> [hugs] 16:57 < Kelish> [hugs} 16:57 < Kelish> I am revising my estimate for how long the descriptions will take to write to now be less than a month 16:57 < Teceler> pfft 16:57 < Teceler> that should be useful! 16:58 < Kelish> yeah 16:58 < butcher> Evenstar Lady death is mostly overwhelmed by OTC, because she has no idea what she would do with all that wealth and power. She is also slightly afraid of getting assignments that fall outside of her special talent, reducing her effectiveness immensely. 17:00 -!- Kelish is now known as Kel 17:00 -!- PDV is now known as PDVanished 17:01 < butcher> I was doing the ears thing as a barometer for Eva and because it was cute, but it became a chore, I also should have combined it with more contrasting descriptions of her tone of voice. Dreamwidth's non-editing vexes me. 17:04 -!- PDVanished is now known as PDV 17:06 < Kel> brb tea again 17:09 < Evenstar> Kelish: Detail is nice but don't feel a need to stretch yourself. 17:10 < Evenstar> butcher: hee 17:12 < butcher> well, it's getting late. 17:12 < Kel> bk 17:12 < Kel> Okay 17:13 < Teceler> wb 17:13 < Kel> what /amount/ of detail 17:13 < Kel> like. I am guessing somewhere between "grows a tree that creates two rooms for people to live in" and "Home Tree: Grows a tree for people to live in, between about 12 and 30 times the height of a human. Each tree grows two rooms, the first at about one third of the way up, and the second at about two thirds of the way up. Each room is a cube, with sides about three and a half times the length of an arm. Each room has a rectangular hole in 17:13 < Kel> three walls, at about eye-level, two armslengths wide, one armslength tall, with a slightly larger strip of flexible bark growing from the wall above each one which can be pinned down or up. In the third wall is a larger hole, starting from the center of the bottom of the wall, and taking up about half of the wall, both horizontally and vertically. ..." 17:13 < Evenstar> If you are writing more than a paragraph per item you are probably writing more detail than necessary. 17:13 < Kel> okay 17:15 < butcher> Evenstar could you imagine Lady Death working for OTC with our time zone difference? That would be a disaster. But unless Miles and co can talk her out of it she will. 17:16 < Teceler> I mean, she doesn't have to have lots of threads with them 17:16 < Teceler> it could be mostly offscreen, I think 17:16 < Evenstar> That's fine and even encouraged? 17:16 < butcher> But we will have to hash out how the magic's interact. 17:16 < Teceler> hm? 17:17 < butcher> magics 17:18 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 17:18 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 17:18 < Kel> Hi! 17:19 <@Sonata> hello 17:19 < Teceler> hello sonata 17:25 < Evenstar> butcher: true 17:26 < Kel> most systems would probably not count a random inanimate object you married as a person 17:29 < Kel> Kappa, Riko is fantastic 17:31 < Kel> brb neighbor dog 17:33 -!- linkhyrule5 has joined #backstage 17:33 < linkhyrule5> YA in Kystle is a thing 17:33 < linkhyrule5> also Evenstar there was a thing I meant to say 17:33 < linkhyrule5> oh right 17:33 < Evenstar> ? 17:33 < Teceler> link! 17:33 < linkhyrule5> OTC should totally sell those lenses from "Sorry for liking you like this" 17:33 < linkhyrule5> also the suit 17:33 < linkhyrule5> that is totally an OTC thing to sell 17:33 < Teceler> link infoward question 17:34 < linkhyrule5> sure 17:34 < Evenstar> ? 17:34 < Teceler> are animals and non-sapients AIs effected? To what degree? Are cameras? 17:35 < butcher> tag and good night. 17:35 < Teceler> sleep well 17:35 < linkhyrule5> Teceler - Forget AIs, _physics_ is, infowarded things don't have mass and don't create gravitational fielsd and whatnot 17:36 < Teceler> mhm 17:36 < linkhyrule5> that's why they have involuntary phasing 17:36 < Teceler> TITAN infoward though 17:36 < linkhyrule5> TITAN infoward is "full power no control" 17:36 < Teceler> ah 17:36 < linkhyrule5> basically 17:36 * Teceler nods. 17:36 < linkhyrule5> they block things they might not want and don't block subtler things like "the infoward itself" and "consequences of that thing's existence" 17:36 < Teceler> pffft 17:37 < linkhyrule5> Also amusingly enough apparently the concept of mana has been done before, Shakugan no Shana does it 17:37 < linkhyrule5> Evenstar - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yneCHigXtv0 17:37 < Teceler> but are AIs affected in a notable way? 17:37 < linkhyrule5> They don't notice the thing, it doesn't show up on camera, etc etc 17:37 < Evenstar> lol 17:38 < Teceler> yes 17:38 < Teceler> but are those effects on the AI, rather than something on the chain to it 17:38 < butcher> link, a spell displaying every arrangement of english words that is 10^n words or less long and reordering it m times a second: Giant amount of alethics Mana? 17:39 < butcher> (assign any turing computable thing as m and n) 17:39 < linkhyrule5> butcher - Not _giant_, that's basically what ME does for his mana 17:39 < linkhyrule5> but a decent amount, yeah 17:39 < Evenstar> linkhyrule5: pffthahah 17:39 < linkhyrule5> Evenstar - :D 17:39 < butcher> and if he did it more often per second? 17:39 < linkhyrule5> OTC should totally sell those :P 17:39 < Evenstar> Yep, those are pretty OTC. 17:39 < linkhyrule5> butcher - I mean, the rate would increase, yse 17:39 < linkhyrule5> But like... the usefulness of the information matters? 17:40 < Evenstar> "Empathy lenses. Warning: may cause lasers." 17:40 < linkhyrule5> :P 17:40 < linkhyrule5> *Telempathy* lenses! 17:40 < linkhyrule5> That's important! 17:40 < linkhyrule5> They will deliver your feelings! 17:40 < Evenstar> Yes! 17:40 < linkhyrule5> butcher - That's why ME actually sorts the Enclyclopedia Ouroborous 17:40 < linkhyrule5> and takes on random data sorting requests from major governments and coroproations 17:40 < Evenstar> Unfortunately for metacausal reasons they're probably nastily infectious 17:41 < butcher> but if you could set m to anything you could raise the amount by any factor 17:41 < Evenstar> in Mikuverse terms 17:41 < linkhyrule5> Yeah, but like... 17:41 < linkhyrule5> Information is only valuable becuase people say it is, in general? 17:41 < linkhyrule5> So the creation/destruction of information is heavily determined by market value 17:41 < linkhyrule5> and so mana depends on market value too 17:41 < Teceler> pfffft 17:41 < linkhyrule5> so you need to be doing something people will pay for, basically 17:41 < linkhyrule5> Evenstar - infectious? 17:42 < linkhyrule5> *is imagining contagious lenses* 17:42 < butcher> people pay for the encyclopedia? 17:42 < linkhyrule5> It's like, what's it called 17:42 < linkhyrule5> butcher - sure, it's an infinite encylcopedia that never gets fully printed 17:42 < butcher> kk 17:42 < linkhyrule5> conjunctivitus curse 17:42 < linkhyrule5> that's it 17:43 < linkhyrule5> It's like conjunctivitus, except with laser eyes. 17:43 < linkhyrule5> (is that quote worthy?) 17:43 < Evenstar> linkhyrule5: the song is by Utata-P. 17:43 < Evenstar> Which means it's related metacuasually to the Happiness series. 17:44 < Evenstar> *metacausally 17:44 < linkhyrule5> ... 17:44 < linkhyrule5> Oh fun 17:45 < linkhyrule5> (you know what ME could sell to the OTC?) 17:45 < Teceler> no :P 17:45 < linkhyrule5> (Anti-memetic coatings) 17:45 < Teceler> oh 17:45 < Teceler> XD 17:45 < Teceler> okay actually that might be an idea 17:45 < linkhyrule5> (No active alethics. Just a material that blocks that sort of infectious things) 17:45 < Kel> bk 17:45 < Teceler> wb 17:45 < linkhyrule5> Telekill ish 17:45 < Kel> thanks! 17:45 < Evenstar> That is nice! 17:46 < Evenstar> That is a nice thing. 17:46 < linkhyrule5> Yup! 17:46 < linkhyrule5> And now that I've thought of it Firewall has probably made an aerosol out of it and spraypainted all their walls with it 17:46 * Teceler giggles. 17:46 < linkhyrule5> And probably instantiated it into their firewalls 17:47 < Teceler> it doesn't have unfortunate side effects like some kinds of memewards do? 17:47 < linkhyrule5> Mm, point 17:47 < Kel> I am imagining anti-memetic gel coming out of tubes in large streams 17:47 < linkhyrule5> with something like the lens you don'tcare much 17:47 < linkhyrule5> but with a building you would 17:47 < linkhyrule5> Well, something to think about 17:47 -!- butcher has quit 17:51 < Teceler> hey, sonata, what does detect monsters do? Particularly on non-Dungeon worlds? 17:54 <@Sonata> ummm. 17:56 <@Sonata> I think it detects nonsapient living things, and technically-nonliving things of similar complexity like clanks. 17:57 * Teceler notes. 17:57 < Kel> could it be used as a test of personhood? 17:57 < Teceler> um 17:58 <@Sonata> Aaaand probably some types of sapient beings, but in terms of underlying spell design that's kind of an inelegant patch and may generalize badly. 17:58 < Teceler> pfffft 17:58 < Kel> XD 17:58 < Teceler> I thought it might be something like things hostile to the caster or things the caster considered monsters XD 17:58 <@Sonata> the spell designer's /intent/ was 'things that will be automatically hostile if they spot you', but it's actually classifying based on type of being 17:58 < Teceler> pffffft 17:59 <@Sonata> and its assumptions of which types of creature are hostile may not be very robust 17:59 < Teceler> ...do. do knock and hold portal work on electronic/computer stuff. 18:00 < linkhyrule5> xpffffff 18:00 < linkhyrule5> hahahahaha 18:00 < linkhyrule5> what happens if you use those in a simulspace anyway? 18:00 < Teceler> (I'm working on filling in more of the spells spreadsheet XD) 18:00 < Teceler> (And keep getting distracted by wondering things) 18:01 <@Sonata> They don't work on purely software things, but you could Knock open a physical deadbolt that's normally supposed to be opened by a computer-controlled servo. 18:01 <@Sonata> Simulspace is VR? 18:01 < linkhyrule5> yes 18:01 < Teceler> yup 18:01 <@Sonata> Then Dungeon spells don't work there at all. 18:02 <@Sonata> They don't recognize digital avatars as bodies. 18:02 < Teceler> pffffft 18:02 <@Sonata> Unless the local metaphysics reifies cyberspace somehow, like WoD's Grid-I-think-it's-called 18:03 <@Sonata> Tron grid yes, digital world from Digimon yes, VR chat room from GitS no. 18:03 < Teceler> um, Eclipse thinks those are. But lot of local Eclipse stuff doesn't work in simulspace /anyway/ so Dungeon's call 18:03 < Teceler> (er, digital avatars being bodies, that is) 18:03 <@Sonata> I thought that was just in terms of an ego's psychological relationship to it, like sleeving and dissociation and whatnot 18:04 < Teceler> hm? 18:04 < Teceler> like, Eclipse things simulmorphs are a type of morph. Not as strongly as it thinks infomorphs are, granted, but 18:04 <@Sonata> are there, like, Watts-McCleod psychic powers that work at a certain range, and do the same range rules apply in VR? 18:04 < Teceler> async powers don't work in simulspace unless they're built in 18:05 < Teceler> that's what I was talking about with stuff not working there 18:05 <@Sonata> because it's not just a /body/, it's a /place/ 18:05 <@Sonata> if that makes sense? 18:05 < linkhyrule5> ... 18:05 < linkhyrule5> So Sonata 18:05 < Teceler> ? 18:05 < linkhyrule5> what about weird alethic shenanigans 18:05 <@Sonata> I mean, /haste/ will work on simulspace 18:05 < linkhyrule5> that let people physically walk into simulspace 18:05 <@Sonata> *in 18:05 < Teceler> pffft 18:05 < linkhyrule5> through dreamholds and such 18:05 < Teceler> I think it would maybe work in alethic-enhanced simulspace? 18:06 < Teceler> but link if you are doing that you better have conservation of mass covered somehow XD 18:06 <@Sonata> I'd want to know more about the implementation. If it's just a more seamless upload process, then no; if it's reifying cyberspace into an actual space, then yes. 18:06 <@Sonata> *into being an 18:07 * Teceler pokes at Eclipse. 18:07 < Teceler> Eclipse thinks simulspace is /a simulation of a space/ and that ought to be good enough but other worlds can decide whether that counts, I think 18:09 < linkhyrule5> Alethics is inclined to treat simulations as the real thing and doesn't really distinguish 18:09 < linkhyrule5> Tulpas are definitely a thing 18:12 < Teceler> ...link we may have a problem if alethics treats simulspace as real and Eclipse doesn't count it under conservation of mass 18:13 < linkhyrule5> oh fun 18:14 < Teceler> my instinct is that Eclipse alethics considers them informational constructs for purpose of sacrifice, which means they have the value people put on them? But I'm not sure 18:16 < linkhyrule5> Mm. Well, real is not the same as consistent physics 18:16 < linkhyrule5> So I think ultimately we just say "portals into dreamland require equivalent exchange" 18:17 < Teceler> hm? 18:18 * Evenstar is now thinking about 'what happens if someone with Memni manifests a Tulpa' 18:18 < Teceler> pffffft 18:19 < linkhyrule5> Teceler - if you go into dreamland, you have to pull out something of equivalent mass 18:19 < linkhyrule5> and vice versa 18:20 < Teceler> hrm 18:20 < Teceler> I think that might work. I think it might also work to /store/ the mass somewhere 18:20 < Teceler> like 18:21 < Teceler> Eclipse doesn't mind phasing as long as it doesn't think you're deleting and creating things 18:22 < linkhyrule5> Evenstar - Could a Memni wake up? 18:22 < linkhyrule5> If you had a Memnos of a computer 18:22 < linkhyrule5> of a particular operation on that computer 18:23 < linkhyrule5> could you build an AI in your head? 18:23 < Evenstar> ... It would be a serious project and you probably couldn't do it by accident, but yes. 18:24 < Evenstar> If it can be done with mundane hardware it can be done with a memnos. 18:24 < Teceler> meep. 18:25 < Evenstar> That's just how Memnodynes work. I mean, you could build a Memnodyne of 'the internet' with enough work. 18:25 < Teceler> that is still meep XD 18:26 -!- Sonata has quit 18:26 < Evenstar> I'd say it's no more meep than making AI in the first place is meep 18:26 < Teceler> mmm 18:27 < Teceler> it's kind the aspect where it's all in one person's head 18:27 -!- Sky has joined #backstage 18:29 < linkhyrule5> ME: *shuffles people out of sight* 18:29 < Kel> Hi! 18:29 < Teceler> hello sky 18:29 < Teceler> heh 18:29 < Sky> Hi 18:29 -!- Verdancy has quit 18:29 < Evenstar> Teceler: I feel like Holly and Crystal would be offended. 18:30 < Teceler> .../that/'s not what I meant either augh 18:30 < Teceler> the internet all in one person's head was meep XD 18:30 < Evenstar> Oh, what you're saying is 'building an AI in mental architecture feels like it's really fricking unsafe for your mental health'? 18:31 < Kel> brb 18:31 < Teceler> the AI thing was a different kind of meep that was more 'wow, that's a lot of computational complexity in one thing' 18:37 -!- FacelessDude has joined #backstage 18:38 < FacelessDude> hi 18:38 < Teceler> hello 18:38 < Evenstar> Teceler: I didn't say it would be /easy/ 18:38 < Teceler> ha 18:39 < Evenstar> But I'm pretty sure brains are capable of simulating people :P 18:39 < Teceler> pffft 18:39 < Evenstar> (it seems to work pretty well for me so far) 18:39 < Teceler> yes 18:39 < Teceler> I didn't actually realize you meant AGIs 18:39 < linkhyrule5> pfffffhahahahaha 18:40 < Evenstar> Well, I mean 18:40 < Evenstar> You could also build a seed AI in your own brain 18:40 * Adelene was Napdelene, is now properly labeled, nudges Tec and Link back toward more practical questions. 18:40 < Teceler> ... 18:40 < Evenstar> but that would be hazardous to your health at best :P 18:40 < Teceler> Adelene, I asked link about the thing 18:41 <@Adelene> mmhmm 18:41 < Teceler> (Evenstar, Firewall is going AAAAAA in my head) 18:41 < Teceler> although link you never answered 18:41 < Teceler> <Teceler> but are those effects on the AI, rather than something on the chain to it 18:41 < Teceler> I think 18:41 <@Adelene> mmhmm 18:43 <@Adelene> Like, when Anda tried to read that infowarded post, she got a headache and was able to report that headache; if a mouse is shown an infowarded thing does the mouse get a headache? If an expert system is shown an infowarded thing, does some equivalent thing happen? 18:45 <@Adelene> (Like, they don't know /why/ they have a headache, but Lurker's magic should I think be able to detect that they have one and that it's that particular type, and use that as an effect trigger.) 18:46 <@Adelene> (Possibly to significantly more sensitivity than you'd get out of human self-monitoring, even.) 18:46 < Kel> bk 18:46 < Teceler> wb Kel 18:47 < Kel> thanks! 18:50 < Evenstar> Teceler: First someone with access to a Memnodyne would have to 1: know that Seed AI were possible, 2: have a technical understanding of how to make Seed AI, 3: be a total idiot despite 1 and 2 and make one 18:51 < PDV> wait, not just one, right? 18:51 < PDV> they'd have to make one, over and over 18:52 < Teceler> I think they'd just need to already have a computer memnodyne 18:52 < linkhyrule5> Teceler - Err. Like, infowards are not inclined to work that way? 18:52 < linkhyrule5> The world gets changed 18:52 < linkhyrule5> and if something in that set is warded against the change, then it'll find a different way to do the same thing? 18:52 < PDV> seed AI honestly seems like Mantle territory 18:53 < Teceler> link you are just being more confusing 18:53 < Teceler> try answering Adelene's question instead? 18:53 < linkhyrule5> Adelene - mm. I kind of forget why Anda even got a headache, actually 18:53 < linkhyrule5> did we chalk that up to "TITANs fail at infowards"? 18:53 < Teceler> yes XD 18:54 < Teceler> yes that was something you suggested because they fail at infowards 18:54 < linkhyrule5> ah okay 18:54 < linkhyrule5> then yes 18:54 < linkhyrule5> expert systems will go "flarghle, inconsistent state" and throw exceptions 18:54 < linkhyrule5> mice will get headaches 18:54 < Teceler> pffffffft 18:54 < linkhyrule5> well, I mean 18:54 < linkhyrule5> you need to be able to read the thing 18:54 < Teceler> and that works even if-- hm? 18:55 < linkhyrule5> like, a mouse needs to in some sense know that the exsurgent virus is a thing 18:55 < linkhyrule5> in order to get a headache 18:55 < linkhyrule5> so, like, if you show it the post 18:55 < Teceler> ah 18:55 < linkhyrule5> it's kind ofgoing togo "ooh, pretty lights. WHere's the cheese." 18:55 < Teceler> I think we were saying, like, trying to pffft -- trying to work out what /areas/ are under the infoward 18:55 < linkhyrule5> :D 18:56 < Evenstar> PDV: In that you would develop a mantle while working on Seed AI, yes 18:57 < Evenstar> Like, it's a /really/ big project. 18:57 < PDV> maybe I'm misremembering Memnos development, but I thought there was a certain amount of repetition effort involved in moving from one 'stage' to the higher one 18:58 < PDV> so that you'd have to do the thing repeatedly to get the necessary upgrade 19:02 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 19:02 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 19:03 < Evenstar> PDV: The number of necessary Memnodynes to generate a true Seed AI is probably in excess of the boundary needed for a Mantle. 19:03 < Kel> Wb! 19:03 < PDV> that makes sense 19:04 -!- Kel is now known as Kelsupper 19:04 < Evenstar> I mean, first you need to build a computer in your brain. Then you need to develop general AI to run on the computer in your brain. Then you need to load the brain-AI onto the brain-computer. Then you need to find a way to make your brain-AI recursively self-improve your own mind. 19:05 < Evenstar> At which point you might as well apply step four to yourself rather than muck about with some other AI you developed. 19:06 < Teceler> ha 19:08 < Evenstar> Probably less dangerous. 19:08 < linkhyrule5> pfffhahhaha 19:08 < linkhyrule5> True, but amusing 19:08 < Evenstar> And when you've decided that 'apply a recursive evolutionary algorithm to my current mental state' is a /relatively sensible course of action/ you /know/ you're doing something crazy. 19:08 < Teceler> pfffffffft 19:08 < Teceler> XD 19:09 < Evenstar> Basically I'm saying you'd have to be a Genius. 19:09 < Teceler> XD 19:09 < linkhyrule5> ... 19:09 < Evenstar> (Ticks all the boxes.) 19:09 < linkhyrule5> hah. 19:09 < linkhyrule5> I mean, tbf, that's basically what "being a Third Order Mage" is 19:09 < linkhyrule5> or the ritual for it 19:09 < Teceler> pfffffffft 19:09 < linkhyrule5> but those people have a thousand years of experience with magic, so 19:10 <@Adelene> *nudges Link* 19:10 * linkhyrule5 is nudgeed? 19:10 * linkhyrule5 is confused about nudges 19:10 < Teceler> <Teceler> I think we were saying, like, trying to pffft -- trying to work out what /areas/ are under the infoward 19:10 < linkhyrule5> oh 19:10 < linkhyrule5> uh 19:10 < linkhyrule5> dunno? 19:10 < linkhyrule5> Volumes that include the exsurgent virus? 19:10 < linkhyrule5> fairly "skintight"? 19:11 < Teceler> but, like 19:11 < linkhyrule5> If the virus surrounds a thing the thing inside the shell will be visible? 19:11 < Teceler> would looking at, say, surveillance feeds, with the expert system work? 19:11 <@Adelene> The immediate functional question here is what Tyche knows, so we know how Tyche guides Lurker's experimentation. But we also need to know the results of the experiments. 19:11 < Teceler> mhm 19:12 < linkhyrule5> Teceler - yes 19:12 < Teceler> also, link, could Tyche replicate the relevant infoward if ze wanted? (For testing purposes, targeted at something simple) 19:12 < Teceler> okay 19:12 < linkhyrule5> Teceler - Mmmmmmm. 19:12 < Teceler> I wasn't sure if they just wouldn't get anything because the infoward got it on the way there 19:12 < Teceler> but they don't work that way? 19:12 < Evenstar> (Now I am tempted to infect Lioncourt with Mania. As if she didn't have enough problems.) 19:12 < Teceler> (...) 19:13 < linkhyrule5> Teceler - ooooh I see what you're saying 19:13 < linkhyrule5> Um. Yeah, no, that would not work, it gets interrupted before there 19:13 * Teceler sighs. 19:13 < linkhyrule5> ... _but_, it is possible to set up an alethic thinig that can't be tricked in that way 19:13 < linkhyrule5> or rather 19:13 < linkhyrule5> a room in which such effects are invalid 19:13 < Teceler> hm? 19:14 < linkhyrule5> ... You could basically make a touch-range sensor 19:14 < linkhyrule5> is the deal 19:14 < Teceler> yeah, which lets you scan that immediate area, sure 19:14 < linkhyrule5> Also, Tyche replicating the infoward is getting into "scrying the form of a spell" territory 19:14 < linkhyrule5> which kind of has to be high-ish tier 19:15 < linkhyrule5> so I'd rather her ask ChibE to do that 19:15 < Teceler> it doesn't let you go over 'satellite maps of Mars' and such 19:15 * Teceler nods. 19:15 < Teceler> I wasn't sure if ze could get that information from ChibE, was more the thing XD 19:15 < linkhyrule5> 'Cause otherwise you can design spells just by looking them up, basically 19:15 < linkhyrule5> and it becomes really super trivial to steal spells 19:15 * Teceler nods. 19:15 < linkhyrule5> And yeah it will be at higher tiers 19:16 < linkhyrule5> but at least at lower-tiers I want a street-level competition for spell designs to be possible 19:16 * Teceler nods 19:16 < linkhyrule5> and for there to be reason for governments to hoard powerful mages and so on 19:16 < linkhyrule5> (well 19:16 < linkhyrule5> "powerful" 19:16 < linkhyrule5> by mortal standards. 19:16 < linkhyrule5> not by Mage standards.) 19:16 < linkhyrule5> And yeah, ChibE can get the infoward design 19:16 < linkhyrule5> he couldn't normally but TITANs suck at infowards 19:16 < Teceler> I wasn't suggesting Tyche scrying it zirself 19:16 < Teceler> pffft 19:17 <@Adelene> One question here is what ChibE and Tyche were already doing before Lurker came along. 19:17 < linkhyrule5> ChibE was making nonsensical Matrix references 19:18 < linkhyrule5> "Error: User Has No Spoons." 19:18 < linkhyrule5> :P 19:18 < Teceler> [hugs for link] 19:18 * linkhyrule5 is hugged 19:18 <@Adelene> Like, presumably Tyche was trying to get useful info out of him, though. :P 19:19 < linkhyrule5> Yeah, I think we can just say that was a long Q&A session 19:19 < linkhyrule5> wherein Tyche got a bunch of information out of him 19:19 * Teceler pokes at things. 19:20 < Teceler> link if it interrupts in between things how can anyone even see that forum post, why doesn't the light get erased on the way to their eyes? (or equivalent for different modalities) 19:21 < linkhyrule5> Esthfora 19:21 < linkhyrule5> The forum's protected 19:21 < Teceler> mhm 19:22 < linkhyrule5> and the forum is "a way for people to communicate" 19:22 < Teceler> oh, does that extend to 'seeing the forum'? 19:22 < linkhyrule5> I mean, check with kappabeta 19:22 < linkhyrule5> but I'd be running it as "the method of communication represented by the forum is sacrosanct" 19:23 <@kappabeta> check what with me? 19:24 < linkhyrule5> Esthfora mechanics 19:25 <@Adelene> I think if Esthfora was the mechanism there Anda should have either been able to see it fine or gotten rainbows rather than a headache, actually. 19:25 <@kappabeta> what specific sort of Esthfora mechanics? 19:26 < Teceler> <Teceler> link if it interrupts in between things how can anyone even see that forum post, why doesn't the light get erased on the way to their eyes? (or equivalent for different modalities) 19:26 < Teceler> <linkhyrule5> Esthfora 19:26 <@kappabeta> what is interrupting between which things? I tried to read backscroll to find this out and was befuddled. 19:26 < Teceler> the infoward 19:27 < linkhyrule5> Blargh 19:27 <@kappabeta> ? 19:27 < linkhyrule5> I mean the real reason is "I didn't think of that and she totally shouldn't have been able tosee it" 19:27 < Teceler> [hugs for link] 19:27 <@kappabeta> <3<3<3 19:27 * linkhyrule5 is hugged 19:27 <@kappabeta> who shouldn't have been able to see what? 19:27 < linkhyrule5> Um. 19:28 < Teceler> Anda, the X-Risks post 19:28 < linkhyrule5> Flail, flail, wave in the general direction of Ego? 19:28 <@kappabeta> aha 19:28 <@kappabeta> heh 19:28 < Teceler> ...what implications does that have for Tyche and Lurker's project link? XD 19:29 <@Adelene> There not being anything Lurker can do is a valid outcome, just, they are going to /try/. 19:29 < Teceler> unless it is obvious to Tyche that that particular angle won't work 19:29 <@Adelene> And we need to know what direction they're trying in so we know what they do work out in the process. 19:29 <@Adelene> (Or that.) 19:29 < Teceler> in which case ze tries to come up with a better oen 19:31 <@Adelene> I mean, by 'project' here I mean 'throw Carp magic at infoward and/or virus, see if it sticks', doesn't have to be in any particular sense. 19:31 < Teceler> ah 19:31 < Teceler> yeah XD 19:31 < linkhyrule5> Teceler - The infowards is mind focused, not physics focused 19:31 < linkhyrule5> Less phasing, more mind tricks 19:32 < linkhyrule5> (we still get phasing, just less of it) 19:32 < Teceler> hm 19:32 < Teceler> okay 19:32 < Teceler> and that doesn't require the TITANs to know Ego? 19:32 < linkhyrule5> Nah. 19:32 < Teceler> okay good XD 19:32 < linkhyrule5> Just nature-of-the-universe stuff 19:32 < Teceler> okay 19:32 < linkhyrule5> er, not the TITANs knowing it 19:32 < linkhyrule5> it's just a part of the universe 19:32 * Teceler nods. 19:33 < linkhyrule5> anyway, uh, yeah, generally non-thinking things have a better shot 19:33 < linkhyrule5> but anything intelligent enough to recognize it is kind of over the line 19:33 < linkhyrule5> so yeah, expert systems throw exceptions 19:33 < Teceler> heh 19:33 < Teceler> okay, and if you set something up to notice those exceptions what happens? 19:33 < linkhyrule5> Also, more vulnerability to unthinking defenses 19:33 < linkhyrule5> and alarms 19:33 < Teceler> because it feels like Firewall should have done that already 19:34 < linkhyrule5> Recurse. 19:34 < Teceler> hm? 19:34 < linkhyrule5> The exceptions are infowarded and can be detected using similar rules 19:34 < Teceler> ah 19:34 -!- FacelessDude has quit 19:34 < linkhyrule5> Or by minds that have been warded 19:34 < linkhyrule5> (since it's being less physical than usual) 19:34 < Teceler> could magic bring that out from under the infoward? 19:34 < linkhyrule5> (though even if it wasn't you could have the reporting happen through warded cables) 19:35 < linkhyrule5> what do you mean? 19:35 < Teceler> like 19:35 < Teceler> Lurker having Carp magic do something in response to noticing that exception 19:35 < Teceler> is noticing that thing happening covered or not? 19:35 < linkhyrule5> (hm, actually, if Carp is awake then it might have trouble noticing itself) 19:36 < linkhyrule5> (depends on how awake it is) 19:36 < Teceler> ...uh, Adelene? 19:36 <@Adelene> ?????? 19:36 < linkhyrule5> And yeah, that's still covered 19:36 < linkhyrule5> If you warded a mind with Carp magic that would be valid tho 19:36 < Teceler> I don't 19:36 < linkhyrule5> Or if you had the alarm sound somewhere nonalethic 19:36 < linkhyrule5> like the Myst series 19:37 < Teceler> link you are being even more incomprehensible than usual 19:37 < linkhyrule5> or Esthfora 19:37 < linkhyrule5> pffff 19:37 < linkhyrule5> Yeah, I'm tired 19:37 < linkhyrule5> kind of worn out from all the laptop flailings 19:37 < linkhyrule5> paperweights~ 19:37 < Teceler> [hugs] 19:37 < linkhyrule5> anyway 19:37 < linkhyrule5> uh 19:37 * linkhyrule5 is huged 19:37 < linkhyrule5> *huged 19:37 < linkhyrule5> *hugged 19:37 < Teceler> pfft 19:37 < linkhyrule5> I am not huge 19:37 < linkhyrule5> >.> 19:37 < linkhyrule5> Uh 19:37 * PDV huges link 19:37 < linkhyrule5> hahahaahh 19:37 < PDV> fixed 19:38 < linkhyrule5> indeed 19:38 < linkhyrule5> Carp magic may fail to notice that the exception occurs 19:38 < Teceler> I don't think Carp magic works in that way? Adelene? 19:38 -!- Kelsupper is now known as Kel 19:38 < linkhyrule5> If it succeeds, any Carp magic alarm is also infowarded 19:38 < Teceler> wb Kel 19:38 < Kel> thanks! 19:38 <@Adelene> Carp magic is highly disinclined to fail to notice things. 19:38 < Teceler> link, would this be an obvious result to Tyche? 19:38 < linkhyrule5> However, if you use Carp magic to ward a mind that is a valid way of dealing with things 19:39 < linkhyrule5> Also, if you use Carp magic to set off an alarm that is physically set in a universe that is nonalethic 19:39 < linkhyrule5> such as the Myst series 19:39 < linkhyrule5> or in a warded world 19:39 < linkhyrule5> such as Esthfora 19:39 < linkhyrule5> then the alarm will sound and people can hear it 19:39 < linkhyrule5> though communicating it may still be a problem 19:39 <@Adelene> Carp magic miiiight do mind-warding but Lurker doesn't know how anyway. 19:39 < linkhyrule5> Adelene - the thing was more that, like, you were kind of suggesting that Carp magic was alive/intelligent 19:40 < linkhyrule5> and minds are the affected gthing here 19:40 <@Adelene> *pokes at* 19:40 < linkhyrule5> though it'spossible that the 'neurons', that is the individual magi-bits, notice 19:41 < linkhyrule5> but Carp-the-world doesn't 19:41 < Teceler> hm 19:41 < Teceler> link, if you have wherever the signal is delivered to warded 19:41 <@Adelene> There is a sense in which the magic system is an entity; individual spells are not in any sense, though. 19:42 < Teceler> (and have it delivered by something unthinking, or just have it working somewhere warded) 19:42 -!- PDV is now known as PDVanished 19:42 <@Sonata> Oooh. Question. Is Eva's office protected against the infoward? 19:42 < Teceler> is it protected against memetic alteration? 19:42 -!- Kel has left #backstage 19:43 < linkhyrule5> Sonata - entirely possible, given that ME had to actually try to get through the OTC's wards 19:43 < linkhyrule5> (they were fairly impressive) 19:43 <@Sonata> because Ahrotahn was not reachable by alethics when the ward went up, but if she goes somewhere that alethics can reach, the info will disappear from her mind 19:43 <@Sonata> and then when she goes home again, she won't automatically remember, but won't be blocked from finding out again through e.g. the forum 19:44 < Teceler> ...if someone who is affected goes into Eva's office do they stop being affected while they're there? 19:44 < linkhyrule5> Teceler - that is valid, but you will have to worry about signal drops 19:44 < linkhyrule5> that's why I was talking about warded cables 19:44 < Teceler> linkhyrule5: signal drops? 19:44 < Teceler> ah 19:44 < Teceler> so 19:44 < linkhyrule5> it's also possible to actually create a protocol 19:44 < linkhyrule5> that is a spell 19:44 < linkhyrule5> and then ward a wireless signal 19:44 < linkhyrule5> (literally anything can be a spell~) 19:45 < Teceler> set up the thing in a warded room, have them do processing from there :P 19:45 < Teceler> is the Firewall base sufficently warded? 19:45 < linkhyrule5> Almost certainly 19:45 < linkhyrule5> infowards are kind of Mage War 101 19:45 < Teceler> (Firewall is going to be annoyed if it isn't, given the amount of wards XD) 19:45 < Teceler> pffft 19:45 < linkhyrule5> roughly equivalent to "To hurt someone, /hit them really hard/" 19:45 < Teceler> XD 19:46 <@Sonata> so Ahrotahn still hasn't been touched by the infoward at all, then? 19:46 < linkhyrule5> probably, yeah 19:47 < Teceler> actually link how did the infoward propagate to other Truths in the first place? 19:48 < linkhyrule5> Things propogate to nearby Truths pretty automatically, there's just a signal drop 19:48 < linkhyrule5> ... iiiin faaaact. 19:48 < linkhyrule5> That's toootally why Anda got headaches 19:48 < linkhyrule5> and not because I forgot about photons at all! 19:49 < linkhyrule5> because the Ego-focused infoward was much weaker in the nearby-but-different Truth 19:49 < linkhyrule5> :P 19:49 < Teceler> pffft 19:51 < Teceler> okay 19:51 < Teceler> how does /that/ interact with thing? 19:52 < linkhyrule5> People in other truths have an easiert time making defenses 19:53 <@Adelene> This sounds like "Lurker gets Cordelia to make her a demiplane". 19:53 < Teceler> pffffffft 19:54 < Teceler> I think the Firewall base is sufficently warded to make that a non-issue? 19:54 < linkhyrule5> mm, demiplane is still the same Truth... 19:54 < linkhyrule5> ... well, actually, it may count as Dungeon's Truth 19:54 < linkhyrule5> ... yeah, I think a demiplane is always in Dungeon's Truth, no matter which world it's made from 19:55 <@Adelene> Or Nexus'. I'd assume one of those before Eclipse. 19:57 < linkhyrule5> (Also, does anyone recognize the joke/reference in Kysilian's username?) 19:58 <@Adelene> (ChibE can probably comment usefully on the demiplane thing? Do we want them to figure that out? I note that Lurker doesn't actually know about Anda's headache yet, she was very much spitballing with the 'maybe my magic can detect this, it's good at detecting things' thing.) 19:58 <@Sonata> (Nope! http://manyworlds.boards.net/thread/58/backstage-explaining-jokes) 19:59 < Teceler> ...she doesn't? 19:59 < Teceler> Adelene what is the point of the demiplane thing? 20:00 <@Adelene> Unless I'm misremembering. Was Anda's complaint about the headache public? 20:01 <@Adelene> The point of the demiplane is that, being in a different truth, the infoward is weaker there and can perhaps be detected. 20:01 < Teceler> she pm-ed Tyche in a panic about it but didn't post publically, I think. But then Tyche talked to Lurker about it? 20:01 <@Adelene> Tyche mentioned that ze thought something might have happened to Anda, but not what. 20:01 < Teceler> ah 20:01 <@Adelene> Like, what caused zer to think that. 20:01 * Teceler nods. 20:01 < Teceler> I thought that /had/ been communicated oops 20:02 <@Adelene> Nope. This is the downside of Lurker's chill assumption that people know what they're talking about. ^^ 20:02 < Teceler> pffft 20:02 <@Sonata> zer or zir? 20:04 <@Sonata> (also, zie or ze?) 20:04 < Teceler> ze and zir, but Tyche doesn't mind the other 20:06 < linkhyrule5> No takers for joke-guessing? 20:06 * linkhyrule5 enjoys joke-guessinig 20:07 <@Adelene> Okay, so, I feel like we have enough to have an idea of what kinds of results Lurker and Tyche will get with their experimenting, the question now is what Tyche already knows. 20:08 < Teceler> /I'm/ actually sure sure -- Link how relevant is the warding of the Firewall base to their results? 20:09 < Teceler> *not sure 20:09 < linkhyrule5> Generally very 20:09 < linkhyrule5> since at least half the system will be entirely warded 20:10 < Teceler> unwarded people/expert systems in there do or do not still get affected by the infoward? 20:13 < linkhyrule5> Do not 20:13 < Teceler> ...hm. 20:13 < linkhyrule5> for that matter the base probably contagions wards 20:14 < linkhyrule5> Symmetry makes contagion /really easy/ 20:15 < Teceler> ...so they need to set up some expert systems on a computer a little outside the base (or in a area specifically unwarded for this purpose), have Lurker do the thing to them, have the results transmitted by the warded cable 20:15 < Teceler> I think 20:15 < Teceler> that or have it on the edge of the base with the invisibled thing inside 20:16 < linkhyrule5> Alethic instant communications are not subject to infowards, by the by 20:16 < linkhyrule5> 'cause they're really more "that signal is totally actually over there" 20:17 < linkhyrule5> Basically there is no "in transmission" if you send a signal over an ansible 20:17 < Teceler> link how much of all this does Tyche know? 20:17 < linkhyrule5> Infowards? Lots 20:17 < linkhyrule5> this is kind of important security stuff 20:17 * Teceler nods. 20:21 <@Adelene> (I note that just like how Carp magic can be cast on part of an object, it can be cast on multiple objects all together, so long as they are and remain contiguous. Having part of the 'object' warded and part of it not isn't a problem, at least from Carp's perspective; things act on only part of an object all the time.) 20:22 -!- Evenstar has quit 20:22 * Teceler giggles. 20:26 -!- Kel has joined #backstage 20:27 < Kel> backstage? 20:27 <@Adelene> mm? 20:28 < Kel> does anyone know of helpful ways to avoid burning out while working on large complicated things that keep accidentally contradicting and also how to focus on slightly larger details of a thing without going 'and then they solved the puzzle'? 20:28 <@kappabeta> hmmmm 20:29 <@kappabeta> I have vague experience with the details thing but it's hard to put anything into words for it 20:30 <@Adelene> For the latter, getting a rough idea of the next midsized chunk of time - 10 minutes or half an hour or a day - and then asking what the most interesting things that happen in that timeframe are and what the minimum amount of connecting detail you need to add to be able to describe those is might help. 20:31 -!- Evenstar has joined #backstage 20:32 < Kel> (Hi Evenstar!) 20:32 < Teceler> wb Evenstar 20:32 < Kel> hm 20:32 < Evenstar> Hi again! 20:32 < Teceler> oh, that was what I wanted to ask you 20:32 < Teceler> do sending stones have signal processing time? 20:33 < Evenstar> Yes, though you'd never notice it in casual conversation. 20:33 < Evenstar> You might notice it if you were trying to stream video over them or something. 20:34 < Kel> can you play worm on them while they load? 20:34 < Teceler> pffft 20:34 < Evenstar> hee 20:34 < Evenstar> They don't have screens :P 20:34 < Kel> can they project the concept of a game of worm that you are playing while they load? 20:35 < Teceler> mm. Earlier in Lurker and Tyche Tyche was in 60x time-dilated simulspace but her stone /wasn't/. (And Eclipse baseline was running something in the area of 30x slower than Lurker) 20:35 < Evenstar> Um... I guess if you wanted to! 20:35 < Teceler> it didn't really come up but it occurred to me their might have been some lag in there 20:35 < Teceler> *there 20:41 * Adelene wonders if this is enough to continue sendingscience with. 20:42 < Kel> (a terrifyingly large amount of science has been sent) 20:42 < Evenstar> If you need higher bandwidth or faster processing speed, OTC can sell it to you! 20:43 < Teceler> pffft 20:43 < Kel> heee 20:43 <@Adelene> Lurker is going to be asking about sending stone upgrades shortlyish, you might want to start thinking about what kind of response a general query would get. 20:44 < Kel> oh there is not an Aestrix here right now, but the_fires_deep makes me think of a magical girl cartoon I used to watch 20:44 -!- magic_phd has joined #backstage 20:44 < Teceler> hello magic_phd 20:44 <@Adelene> (Also I'm not sure at what point Eva is likely to notice that *buys thing* *likes thing* *upgrades thing* is a pattern with Lurker, but it is, this is the second time she's doing that and she's probably going to ask about BoH upgrades/variants, too.) 20:44 < magic_phd> hi 20:45 < Kel> Hi! 20:45 < Evenstar> Hi! 20:46 < Evenstar> Tagged.~ 20:49 < magic_phd> Do we want to play it out, or just say the tests went fine offscreen? 20:49 < magic_phd> I plan for him to analyzing for a week, and then give preliminary results 20:50 < magic_phd> Usable results to comein weeks following that 20:55 < Teceler> Evenstar can people be pre-emptively included before they come into the sending stone's area of effect? 20:55 <@Adelene> *excluded 20:55 < Teceler> er 20:55 < Teceler> yes 20:55 < Teceler> that is what I meant XD 20:55 <@Adelene> ^^ 20:58 < Teceler> brb 21:00 < Teceler> bk 21:00 < Kel> wb! 21:06 < Evenstar> Teceler: Yes. 21:06 < Evenstar> magic_phd: I don't think anything unusual would occur, probably. 21:06 < Evenstar> Tests went fine, we can offscreen them. 21:06 < Teceler> okay, that simplifies thing a little XD 21:08 < magic_phd> Evenstar: cool. I'll send you a message in about a week. 21:09 < Kel> no time dilation? 21:10 < Teceler> shush we don't need more time shenanigans XD 21:10 < Teceler> :P 21:11 < Kel> k 21:11 < Kel> computer needs updates, switching to the other one for about an hour 21:11 < Teceler> noted 21:11 < magic_phd> I don't want science to appear instant 21:11 < Kel> ok 21:12 * linkhyrule5 wishes science were instant 21:12 * linkhyrule5 would settle for known countdowns, in fact 21:12 * linkhyrule5 envies Civ players so much 21:12 < magic_phd> I'm trying to avoid being a comic-book scientist who does everything instantly, and keep to real world (if genius) levels. 21:12 < Kel> that would be useful 21:12 < Kel> sorry 21:12 -!- Kel has quit 21:13 < magic_phd> I was just saying yesterday to a friend that science is more than having the resources and clicking the buttons :) 21:13 < Teceler> pffft 21:13 < linkhyrule5> Ohhh trust me I know >.> 21:33 -!- Kel has joined #backstage 21:33 < Kel> hi 21:33 < Teceler> wb Kel! 21:33 < Kel> thanks! 22:01 -!- Verdancy has joined #backstage 22:04 < Kel> Hi! 22:04 < Kel> Evenstar? 22:04 < Teceler> hello again 22:05 < Kel> Where are we trying to move Organizing the Contract toward? 22:05 < Evenstar> I dunno! 22:05 < Teceler> pfffft 22:06 < Evenstar> I assume Lantern wants to get paid for conjuring things 22:06 < Kel> yeah 22:06 < Kel> Lantern assumes they have something in mind, and isn't going to try to suggest what 22:07 < Verdancy> Hi! 22:07 < Kel> Hi! 22:07 < Verdancy> (Belatedly) 22:07 < Kel> (<3) 22:07 < Verdancy> <3) 22:08 < Kel> hm 22:08 < Teceler> why is Lantern not going to try to suggest what? 22:09 < Evenstar> Ah I see. 22:10 -!- magic_phd has quit 22:10 < Kel> in case the OTC has something in mind that they'd be willing to conjure, that they didn't think of and the suggestion is read as implying unwillingness to conjure that one 22:10 < Kel> ? 22:10 < Kel> also vague politeness ideas 22:11 < Evenstar> ah 22:13 <@Adelene> Asking what they'd like her to conjure is a thing? 22:13 < Teceler> *them 22:13 < Kel> sorta? 22:13 <@Adelene> 'did you have anything in mind' kind of deal. 22:13 < Kel> yeah 22:13 < Kel> that just occurred to me 22:14 < Kel> and now they are asking 22:31 < Kel> Evenstar, Lanterntag 22:31 < Kel> does this make sense to people who are not me? 22:35 < Kel> I'm going to sleep 22:35 < Verdancy> Good night, Kel. 22:35 < Kel> normal computer is updating and temporarily no hexchat, if someone needs me to see something, please send an OOC PM 22:35 < Kel> thanks! 22:35 < Kel> good night! 22:36 < Teceler> sleep well 22:36 < Kel> OOC PM to someone other than Lantern, maybe Aspen or BE 22:36 < Kel> thanks! 22:36 -!- Kel has quit 22:36 < Verdancy> :) 22:36 < Teceler> --probably don't ooc pm DL either 22:37 < Evenstar> Kel: Tag 22:52 -!- Evenstar has quit 22:56 < linkhyrule5> Sonata - fyi USL is tagging some new threads 22:56 < linkhyrule5> we might actually want to start an index soonish 22:59 -!- Sonata has quit 23:04 -!- kappabeta has left #backstage 23:17 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 23:17 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 23:17 < Teceler> connection trouble? 23:45 -!- Sonata has quit --- Day changed Wed Aug 12 2015 00:07 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 00:09 -!- PDVanished has quit 00:09 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 00:09 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 00:34 < Teceler> I need to go sleep 00:35 < Teceler> good night all 00:36 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Asleep 00:48 < Verdancy> Belated good night, Teceler. 00:56 -!- Sonata changed the topic of #backstage to: MWF OOC -- MotherStarlight is logging -- Wiki: http://manyworlds.mwzip.com/ -- Open tags: https://etherpad.net/p/MWFOpenThreads -- Community radio: http://cytu.be/r/mwf-backstage https://etherpad.net/p/MWF_Channel_Voting -- Happy Zaraday! 01:04 -!- Sonata has quit 01:07 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 01:07 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 02:33 -!- Butcher has joined #backstage
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Post by Mother Starlight on Aug 13, 2015 18:40:36 GMT
03:01 -!- Verdancy is now known as VerdanZzz 03:01 < VerdanZzz> Good night, everyone. 04:04 -!- Sky has quit 05:05 -!- linkhyrule5 has quit 06:59 -!- FacelessWork has joined #backstage 07:03 < FacelessWork> hi 07:14 <@Adelene> o/ 07:48 -!- kappabeta has joined #backstage 07:48 -!- mode/#backstage [+o kappabeta] by ChanServ 07:51 -!- Kel has joined #backstage 07:51 < Kel> Hi! 07:51 < FacelessWork> hi 07:53 < Kel> Oh goodness, Verdency's sleeping name is now even cuter 07:53 < Kel> Zzz instead of ZZZ 07:54 < Kel> and I'm off to school now 07:54 < Kel> bye! 07:54 -!- Kel is now known as Kelsewhere 07:55 < FacelessWork> enjoy school 09:28 -!- kappabeta has left #backstage 09:50 -!- VerdanZzz has quit 10:02 -!- FacelessWork has quit 10:53 -!- Teceler|Asleep is now known as Teceler 10:57 -!- FacelessWork has joined #backstage 10:57 < FacelessWork> hi 11:19 -!- Kelsewhere is now known as Kel 11:19 < Kel> Hi! 11:19 < Teceler> hello! 11:20 < Kel> I am here for the next 25 min, then have to do a thing 11:20 < Teceler> okay 11:21 < FacelessWork> so whats up? 11:22 < Kel> writing much more concise version of plant catalog 11:28 < FacelessWork> how it is looking right now? 11:30 < Kel> a lot shorter 11:39 -!- Kel is now known as Kelsewhere 11:52 -!- PDV has joined #backstage 11:54 < FacelessWork> hi PDV o/. 11:57 < PDV> hi \o 11:57 < Teceler> hello 12:38 < Teceler> brb 12:43 -!- Adelene is now known as Napdelene 12:51 -!- FacelessWork has quit 13:26 -!- PDV is now known as PDVanished 13:30 -!- Sky has joined #backstage 13:31 < Teceler> hello sky 13:31 < Sky> hello 13:41 -!- PDVanished is now known as PDV 13:44 < PDV> so someone recommended a 'good things happen to Barrayar' fic on tumblr 13:44 < PDV> in the third paragraph it has this line: "Emperor Gregor Vorbarra was the least stampedable human being she had ever met, which—besides being foster-brothers—was probably how he and Miles survived as friends. " 13:44 < Teceler> pfffft 13:45 < Sky> that makes a lot of sense 13:45 < PDV> the other funny thing is, the exact opposite explains Ivan just as well 14:14 * Sonata sometimes forgets that Barrayar exists outside of glowfic 14:14 <@Sonata> likewise Bella Swan 14:41 -!- Butcher has quit 14:52 -!- Jarnvidr has joined #backstage 14:58 -!- MTC has quit 14:59 <@Sonata> Hi Jarnvidr. Long time no see. 15:09 -!- PDV is now known as PDVanished 15:16 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Away 15:23 -!- PDVanished is now known as PDV 15:36 -!- skyimposter has joined #backstage 16:05 <@Sonata> Your disguise is terrible. 16:07 < Jarnvidr> Kill your double, etc. 16:07 -!- skyimposter has quit 16:08 < Sky> whoops 16:08 < Sky> I'm the real Sky, I swear 16:10 < Jarnvidr> Since I apparently have some sort of imposter-eliminating powers, I'll choose to believe that. 16:11 -!- PDV is now known as PlausibleDeniableVillain 16:11 -!- PlausibleDeniableVillain is now known as PlausiblyDeniableVillain 16:34 -!- tecephone has joined #backstage 17:18 -!- tecephone has quit 17:30 -!- Teceler|Away is now known as Teceler 17:30 < Teceler> ...it's very quiet 17:30 <@Sonata> Too quiet. 17:30 < Teceler> DUN DUN DUN 17:31 <@Sonata> *suddenly plays loud polka music* 17:31 < Teceler> pfft 17:44 -!- FacelessSick has joined #backstage 17:44 < FacelessSick> Salutations 17:44 < Teceler> hello 17:59 -!- Kelsewhere has quit 18:02 -!- PlausiblyDeniableVillain is now known as PlausiblyDeniableVillainanishe 18:14 -!- PlausiblyDeniableVillainanishe is now known as PlausiblyDeniableVillain 18:22 -!- Evenstar has joined #backstage 18:23 < Evenstar> "Plausibly Deniable Villain" hee 18:23 < Teceler> hello Evenstar! 18:25 < Evenstar> Hi Teceler! 18:25 < Evenstar> I should check Godsfire again, people are talking about the OTC 18:25 < Teceler> hm? 18:26 < Evenstar> "I would not expect the OTC to be unsafe for you to look at, though I would prefer to ask Aisilian to be sure they do not have any aggressive wards." 18:27 < Teceler> oh, that's on methods and tools 18:27 < Evenstar> Oh 18:27 * Evenstar facepalms. 18:27 < FacelessSick> I was going to ask more about PDV's characters but I am currently busy with skype 18:30 < Evenstar> Anyway yes 18:30 < Evenstar> Y'know how OTC lives in its contracts? 18:31 < Teceler> what about that? 18:31 < Evenstar> OTC is used to being in words. Words are a large portion of the OTC's substrate. 18:32 < Evenstar> Its /signature/ is a really key part of its identity, because that's an indication that the company is separate from its members 18:32 < Evenstar> So /saying/ 'OTC' will generally get it to pay at least a little attention to the vicinity where it was said. 18:32 < Teceler> ...pfffft 18:33 < Evenstar> Of course, that's common enough that OTC often doesn't /bother/ 18:33 < Evenstar> But if you say 'OTC' in a location where 'OTC' was never said before, while referring to the OTC 18:33 < Teceler> ...XD 18:33 < Evenstar> Then OTC will probably be there for as long as the word's echoing off the walls. 18:34 < Evenstar> (And then if there are coins there it might persist in them.) 18:34 < Evenstar> (That said, if you don't have any things of the OTC, it'll get like a second or two of the conversation at best.) 18:34 < Teceler> is 'coins' just OTCs or other coins from there too? 18:34 < Evenstar> Only OTC's coins. 18:35 < Evenstar> The ones that it minted. 18:35 < Evenstar> (That might mean Takkarash etc, but only if they were minted by OTC.) 18:35 < Teceler> hm, okay 18:35 < Evenstar> (IE, if you own a minting kit you are less tied to OTC and it can persist in you less) 18:35 -!- FacelessSick has quit 18:35 < Evenstar> (Because /you/ made those coins.) 18:35 < Teceler> pfffft 18:36 < Teceler> I was about to say that Thorn would be annoyed if her minting kit was a vector for OTC-spying considering the privacy upgrades on that thing XD 18:36 < Evenstar> (The /kit/ is still an OTC product, but products are far less tied to it than currency.) 18:36 < Teceler> (that makes sense) 18:37 < Evenstar> (OTC's products that it sells are like, the equivalent of dead skin cells to it) 18:37 < Evenstar> (Once part of its body as an 'asset', now no longer really part of its identity at all. And they get everywhere.) 18:37 < Teceler> (ha) 18:38 < Teceler> ...um, Evenstar, does the OTC name-identity thing bypass wards? 18:38 < Evenstar> (Of course, you want to think hard about being an OTC employee, because then /you/ are part of the company.) 18:39 < Teceler> (...aaaaaa.) 18:39 < Evenstar> Teceler: Only if spoken with intent to do so, I think. 18:39 < Evenstar> (Hence why I've said that it's like being a priestess of an active god.) 18:40 < Teceler> because that Firewall base is very heavily warded, and I'd maybe be okay with the OTC sneaking around them if it didn't get much interesting but it finding out about alethics if it didn't already might be, um. 18:40 < Evenstar> (OTC is always concerned with and channeled by the actions of its employees/clergy, even when it's not personally taking an interest) 18:41 < Evenstar> Teceler: On one hand, you're effectively carrying part of the OTC beyond the ward if you bring coins behind it. 18:41 < Evenstar> (OTC-minted coins, that is.) 18:41 < Evenstar> On the other hand, OTC probably can't see past that ward since it is heavy-grade infowarding 18:42 -!- Verdancy has joined #backstage 18:42 < Evenstar> So probably the effect is that the OTC gets curious and/or panicky as to why parts of it are going silent in this particular region of space. 18:42 < Teceler> oh dear XD 18:42 < Evenstar> It'd be like being unable to feel your little toe 18:43 < Evenstar> Maybe not immediately a threat to you, but you really kinda want to see a doctor about now 18:43 < Teceler> hm, if the coins are enough them they might get basic visitor access just from being on the base. But that probably gets noticed pretty quickly, I feel like Firewall would have something set up to monitor that if at all possible 18:43 < Teceler> heh 18:43 < Teceler> yeah 18:43 < Verdancy> (Hi!) 18:43 < Teceler> hello Verdancy 18:43 < Evenstar> (hi!) 18:43 < Evenstar> Teceler: Probably that is what happens, then. 18:44 < Evenstar> And OTC will have to explain to Firewall some of how OTC works. 18:44 < Teceler> I'm not positive what Firewall /does/ about that -- heh XD 18:44 < Evenstar> (OTC-the-corporation is cagey because it knows of no other sentient corps) 18:44 < Evenstar> (At least, that work the way it does.) 18:45 < Evenstar> (That along with the power it has and the fact that it can be mind-hijacked by hostile takeover...) 18:45 < Teceler> Firewall, while I frequently refer to it as a collective, is not a sentient organization. Just to be clear :P (well. Unless someone accidentally alethics a thing XD) 18:46 < Evenstar> (Basically the OTC has to really carefully choose who it trusts with the details of its 'body') 18:46 < PlausiblyDeniableVillain> Teceler: only accidentally? 18:46 < Evenstar> (For much the same reason that Raezenoth has to be careful who he trusts as his Acolyte.) 18:46 < Teceler> ...ow my screen 18:47 < Evenstar> PDV, your username is pretty darn verbose 18:47 < Teceler> PDV can you please not have that long a nick if you're going to talk? Sorry 18:47 -!- PlausiblyDeniableVillain is now known as PDV 18:47 < Teceler> anyway, no motive to do it deliberately 18:49 < Teceler> anyway the probable result of this is just Firewall not keeping any non-home-minted coins in the base XD 18:52 < Evenstar> Yep! 18:52 < Evenstar> That works. 18:53 < Teceler> they could probably specifically ward out the OTC but, like, that's a much easier solution XD 18:53 < Teceler> and much more polite XD 18:54 -!- Verdancy has quit 18:58 -!- Verdancy has joined #backstage 18:58 < Teceler> have you had thoughts about sending stone updates Evenstar? 18:58 * Teceler pokes Verdancy's connection 18:58 < Verdancy> Idk what happened but I'm back now 18:59 * Verdancy shrugs 18:59 < Teceler> okay 18:59 < Teceler> you didn't miss anything I think 18:59 < Verdancy> kay 19:01 < Evenstar> Teceler: Not really? 19:01 < Teceler> er 19:01 < Teceler> *upgrades 19:01 < Teceler> words 19:07 -!- Kel has joined #backstage 19:07 < Kel> Hi! 19:07 < Teceler> hello again Kel! 19:07 < Kel> :D 19:07 < Kel> Normal computer is stuck updating 19:08 < Kel> what's up? 19:08 < Teceler> still? 19:08 < Teceler> wow 19:08 < Kel> it got stuck on something and had to stop 19:08 < Teceler> the OTC can see things where it's mentioned 19:08 < Kel> my dad's trying to fix it 19:08 < Kel> huh 19:08 < Teceler> by name 19:08 < Teceler> but alethic infowards probably beat that 19:08 < Kel> so it can see that conversation about whether it's evil? 19:08 < Kel> yeah that is important 19:08 < Teceler> XD 19:08 < Kel> we don't need them to get rescued 19:08 < Verdancy> Hi, Kel! 19:08 < Kel> Hi! 19:09 < Teceler> well, also, the Firewall base is heavily warded 19:09 < Kel> yay! 19:09 -!- Napdelene is now known as Adelene 19:09 < Teceler> so it /probably/ can't see that conversation. Unless Evenstar can think of a loophole for it to sneak through XD 19:09 < Teceler> wb Adelene 19:09 < Verdancy> Hi, Adelene! 19:09 <@Adelene> o/ 19:10 < Kel> Hi! 19:11 < Kel> (other computer in this room is /also/ having troubles. perhaps this can be a recording used for the noise) 19:11 < Teceler> (pfft) 19:11 < Verdancy> (pfffft) 19:17 < Kel> Erocentrism augh 19:17 < Verdancy> Oh, yeah 19:17 < Kel> not /majorly/ but :/ 19:18 < Verdancy> I am sincerely tempted to have Lizzie pop in there and say "asexual ppl xist u kno" 19:18 < Kel> yeah 19:19 < Teceler> Tyche may to, by the sounds of this 19:19 < Kel> "I have no interest in interacting with individuals who've managed to become emotionally invested in denying their own urges" 19:19 < Kel> YES THAT IS THE ONLY REASON ANYONE EVER DOESN'T WANT TO HAVE SEX 19:19 < Verdancy> eeyup 19:20 < Kel> unfortunately, all my characters who are /here/ lack enough context to comment 19:20 < Verdancy> Erocentrism's backstory is actually really creepy and sets of big "MIND CONTROL" warning flags in my head 19:20 < Verdancy> *sets off 19:21 <@Adelene> *examines post in question* 19:21 * Kel goes to also 19:22 < Verdancy> I mean, YMMV? I might be particularly sensitive to that sort of thing 19:22 < Verdancy> But if gave me the creepy-crawlies 19:22 <@Adelene> I mean, I'm getting creepy vibes off of her too, but in context that sentence doesn't seem like a problem? 19:22 <@Adelene> In particular I don't think she's actuall talking about ace people. 19:23 < Verdancy> I mean the story gave me creeps 19:23 <@Adelene> Like, even accidentally. 19:23 < Verdancy> That one sentence was just kind of bleh 19:24 <@Adelene> (Celebate people for whom that's part of their identity exist, I've known a few. She's going 'yeah, those dudes explicitly aren't my problem, they're doing some weird unrelated thing, which I don't approve of, but, not my problem'.) 19:25 < Teceler> I thought she? -- she was saying that they were a lesser problem to her? 19:25 * Teceler has now read the thread in question 19:25 <@Adelene> And she kind of seems to think that what she's actually doing will in the long term lead to fewer people ending up with celebacy as part of their identities? But, like. 19:26 < Verdancy> I kind of got the impression that she was saying that the only reason someone would not want to have sex is because they had hang-ups 19:26 < Kel> yeah that 19:26 < Teceler> that, yeah 19:26 < Kel> pf 19:27 <@Adelene> Yeah, I'm not seeing that. She's going [exists: [hangups cause celibacy]], not [always [celibacy because hangups]] 19:27 < Teceler> that's... not terribly clear? 19:28 <@Adelene> Agreed. 19:28 < Kel> to me it looks like: 19:28 < Kel> oops 19:29 < Kel> to me it looks like: A: be careful not to just pressure people into having sex. This has historically been a problem in my world. E: I'm not interested in dealing with people who are invested in celibacy 19:30 < Kel> which reads to me as ignoring any other possible reasons? 19:30 < Teceler> also that, yes 19:31 <@Adelene> *shrug* 19:32 < Verdancy> I am not invested in arguing about it at all 19:33 <@Adelene> Part of the thing is that E is really defensive there? Like, she's not reacting entirely rationally, and it's pretty obvious; she seems to be taking A's thing as if A had said something slightly different than she actually did through the whole response. 19:34 <@Adelene> Like, as if A had more directly accused her of trying to convert celibate people, which I'd guess from context has happened to her a lot before. 19:36 < Kel> huh 19:36 < Kel> okay yeah I'd missed that 19:36 < Kel> also I'm not sure which thing in the backstory is reading as mind control? 19:36 < Evenstar> Erocentrism has a backstory? 19:36 < Kel> in the first post 19:36 < Kel> linked to dreamwidth 19:37 < Evenstar> first post? 19:37 <@Adelene> http://erocentric.dreamwidth.org/469.html 19:38 < Evenstar> OIC 19:39 < Verdancy> It was just stuff about the character "just knowing" things? 19:41 < Kel> the things that 'just click' re: sex and feelings or something else? 19:42 < Verdancy> Stuff like that? 19:42 < Verdancy> Also the transformation 19:43 < Kel> the transformation seemed like more an instinct thing in response to being impaled? 19:44 < Verdancy> He's a sixteen-year-old boy and then she's a "voluptuous young woman in full bloom and at peak fitness" 19:44 < Verdancy> (Which is actually strongly reminding me of various poorly-written FF.net stories) 19:45 < Verdancy> And the instantaneous pronoun change? 19:45 < Kel> ah 19:45 < Verdancy> It was weird 19:45 < Kel> I thought that might just be other people's self identities working differently than mine 19:45 < Kel> and as you say, ffn stories 19:46 < Verdancy> It has actually always kind of weirded me out that in stories as soon as there's transformation stuff people switch pronouns based on plumbing 19:46 < Kel> yeah 19:46 < Teceler> yeah 19:47 < Kel> brb 19:48 < Verdancy> The whole thing just kind of read like "magic changeling bs deciding your identity for you" 19:55 < Kel> bk 19:56 < Teceler> wb 19:56 < Kel> yeah 19:56 < Verdancy> wb 19:56 < Kel> thanks! 19:56 < Verdancy> :) 19:56 < Kel> hm. I think overall that is a nicer explanation than the one I had so I will change my interpretation to that instead 19:56 < Verdancy> ...um 19:57 < Verdancy> What interpretation did you have before? 19:57 < Verdancy> Because, like, magic changeling bs is extremely augh to me 19:57 < Kel> just lack of things being thought through 19:57 < Kel> [hugs?] 19:57 < Verdancy> *hugs* 19:57 < Verdancy> I'm not really upset? Just kind of creeped out by the whole thing 19:57 < Kel> yeah 19:58 < Verdancy> It seems way too deliberate for the author not to have thought it through 20:29 < Kel> brb 20:39 <@Sonata> *reads the backstory* 20:40 <@Sonata> it definitely feels like the author had a certain character outcome in mind and invented a series of events to lead there 20:42 <@Sonata> rather than there's a person who naturally wound up in a place 20:44 < Kel> bk 20:44 < Kel> yeah 20:44 < Teceler> wb 20:44 < Kel> thanks! 20:45 < Kel> computer's done for now, switching back to normal one 20:45 -!- Kel has quit 20:45 < Teceler> okay 20:48 -!- Sonata has left #backstage 20:48 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 20:48 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 20:50 -!- Kel has joined #backstage 20:56 < Teceler> wb Kel 20:56 < Kel> thanks! 21:36 < Teceler> ping 21:36 < Sky> pong 21:37 <@Sonata> Who's Ero? 21:37 < PDV> pang? 21:37 < Teceler> huh 21:37 < Teceler> our internet is being weird 21:40 < Kel> Ero has not declared who their author is, although there is some speculation 21:40 -!- Teceler has quit 21:44 < Evenstar> Dr. Realist has OPINIONS. 21:44 < Kel> oh? 21:44 -!- Teceler has joined #backstage 21:44 * Teceler grumbles. 21:44 < Teceler> what did I miss? 21:45 < Evenstar> (Regarding Erocentrism and her plan so far as it has been expressed) 21:45 < Kel> <Teceler> ping 21:45 < Kel> <Sky> pong 21:45 < Kel> <Sonata> Who's Ero? 21:45 < Kel> <PDV> pang? 21:45 < Kel> <Teceler> huh 21:45 < Kel> <Teceler> our internet is being weird 21:45 < Kel> <Kel> Ero has not declared who their author is, although there is some speculation 21:45 < Kel> * has quit 21:45 < Kel> <Evenstar> Dr. Realist has OPINIONS. 21:45 < Kel> <Kel> oh? 21:45 < Kel> * Teceler has joined 21:52 <@Sonata> re: tf pronouns: it makes sense if you assume the protag is cis-by-default 21:52 <@Sonata> and doesn't grok that gender 21:53 <@Adelene> I was reading him as cis-by-default, yeah, but then she seemed not to be? 21:54 <@Adelene> Or less to be, anyway. 21:54 <@Sonata> ...huh. 21:54 <@Sonata> Yeah, I see that. 21:55 <@Adelene> Which could point to trans-and-hadn't-realized, but. 21:55 <@Sonata> It's like, instead of his body reforming as female, /he transformed into a woman/. 21:56 <@Adelene> mmhmm 21:56 <@Sonata> overall, selective altruism leaves me with a somewhat unflattering impression of the author. 21:56 <@Sonata> (apologies if said author is reading this, either currently or later in logs) 21:57 <@Sonata> (I don't want to discourage you from writing, just am not extremely in-agreement with your... politics? that's not exactly right. worldview, maybe) 21:59 < Evenstar> ((If said author exists, I would direct them to read Misfile or Rain, both of which are webcomics that deal with trans/gender issues in thoughtful ways)) 22:15 < Kel> (arrg. yes I can actually move stuff off of my bed in less than a minute, no I don't need to do it literally right now, no you don't need to come back in 2 min and check whether I've done it, no you don't need to remind me to change into my PJs before going to bed, no I'm not going to do that before I go to bed because that is /confusing/ just /stop/) 22:15 < Teceler> [hugs] 22:15 < Kel> [hugs] 22:16 <@Sonata> (being treated like that is terrible) 22:16 < Evenstar> [hug] 22:16 < Kel> [hug] 22:27 * Xom would hug but you'd probably suspect he was up to something. 22:27 < Xom> (you wouldn't be entirely wrong, either) 22:27 < Teceler> pfft 22:27 < Teceler> hello demo 22:27 < Xom> hello! 22:28 < Xom> It's kind of fun to write up arkham sections with Gloria in another world 22:28 < Xom> even though I try to make my writing for that game as formulaic as possible 22:29 < Xom> there's just something about the whole "You see two paths before you" bit 22:30 < Xom> Two paths diverged in R'lyeh. I took the one less traveled, and then I went insane. 22:32 < Teceler> pffft 22:36 -!- Sonata has quit 22:45 -!- butcher has joined #backstage 22:55 < butcher> Hi sky 22:55 < butcher> So, can I have the rite work without problems? 22:55 < Sky> hi 22:55 < Sky> yep, I think so 22:55 < butcher> I'm starting a sandbox, Okay? 22:56 < Sky> ok 22:57 < butcher> http://glowfic.dreamwidth.org/9426.html 22:57 < butcher> tag 23:01 < Sky> what should this look or sound like on Mozee's end? 23:02 < butcher> A little black etheral smoke when she manifests stuff, but otherwise just the sound of the speakers halling in his ears. 23:04 < Sky> ok. does just intending to manifest the stuff do it? 23:05 < butcher> jup. And she knows it's a rosebush. 23:05 < butcher> a virgin one. 23:15 < Evenstar> Now I am imagining the worst best universe ever 23:15 < Evenstar> Where the magic really does run on horrible things 23:15 < Evenstar> But it works on you /knowing/ you did a horrible thing. 23:15 < Teceler> ... 23:16 < Evenstar> So someone comes along and says 'okay let's take the terrible people and have them build a moon elevator after brainwashing them to think that ants count as people' 23:16 -!- Kel is now known as Kelsleep 23:16 < Evenstar> 'They think they're genuinely committing genocide and they love it, so the magic works, but they're only killing ants' 23:17 -!- PDV is now known as PDVanished 23:17 < Teceler> sleep well Kel? 23:17 < Evenstar> 'behold: terrible magic system fixed' 23:17 < Teceler> pffft 23:18 < butcher> nice. 23:19 < Sky> (tag) 23:19 < Evenstar> (Slight issue: people need to be brainwashed for this to work. But hey, at least they were terrible people, right?) 23:19 < Teceler> (I was about to point that out XD) 23:20 < Teceler> just don't turn into Facet, world :P 23:22 < Evenstar> (Alternately you could use volunteers.) 23:22 < butcher> tag 23:22 < Evenstar> (Incidentally, it's probably really easy to brainwash people in this world because that is horrible) 23:23 < Evenstar> (It's self-powering) 23:23 < Teceler> (gah) 23:23 <@Adelene> The bit where you have to know it's horrible for that to work seems like it helps. 23:23 < Evenstar> (... It's like the Sin + Ground = Grin + Sound bomb) 23:23 -!- Kelsleep has quit 23:28 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 23:29 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 23:29 < Evenstar> (oh my gosh, Tisvetaia and Kirovalin are so cute) 23:30 < Sky> tag 23:34 < butcher> tag 23:44 < Sky> tag 23:45 < Teceler> ugh 23:45 < Teceler> I'm going to sleep 23:46 < Teceler> hopefully this headache will be gone in the morning 23:46 <@Adelene> *hug* Sleep well. 23:46 < Teceler> [hug] 23:46 < Teceler> thanks 23:48 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Asleep 23:51 < butcher> does Mozee look like his avatar? 23:51 < Sky> yes, more or less 23:51 < butcher> does he obviously move? 23:51 < Sky> yeah, floats and the mask changes shape. 23:52 < butcher> Okay, that means she will at least know where her host is. 23:54 < butcher> tag 23:56 < butcher> updated OP to four rosebushes. 23:56 -!- Kelsleep has joined #backstage 23:56 -!- PDVanished is now known as PDV 23:56 < butcher> just in case he doesn't want smoke in your living room. 23:57 < butcher> she 23:57 < butcher> well, she doesn't care. 23:58 < butcher> added "her ears are still red. --- Day changed Thu Aug 13 2015 00:00 < Sky> tag 00:04 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 00:07 < butcher> tag 00:08 < butcher> wait 00:09 -!- Evenstar has quit 00:10 < butcher> added cat and mouse actions. 00:10 < butcher> tag 00:20 < Sky> tag 00:59 -!- Jarnvidr has quit 00:59 < butcher> Lady death doesn't hear the cat. 01:06 < Sky> aha. then there'll probably be some confusion here, unless Mozee has a way to know that? 01:08 < butcher> well, lady death's reactions. 01:30 < Sky> they're surrounded by Mozee's magic, and right now it's trying to catch any stray magic and integrate/turn it into Mozee's magic. This should work unless Equestrian magic is particularly unamenable to that, is it? 01:34 < butcher> Works. 01:35 < butcher> It's nice magic. 01:36 < butcher> May allow him to do it more easily in the future. 01:37 < butcher> edited the post slightly 01:38 < butcher> let's say it's integrating 01:38 < butcher> and making friends with his magic. 01:38 < butcher> It's a bro. 01:38 < Sky> hee. his magic plays very nicely with other systems too. 01:39 < butcher> And maybe when Mozee does something nice it'll multiply and make him stronger. 01:39 < butcher> goodbye, work. 01:42 < Sky> is Lady death still (visibly) old at this point? 01:43 < butcher> yes 01:43 < butcher> like granny smith. 01:43 < butcher> bye 01:43 -!- butcher has quit 01:57 -!- Verdancy is now known as VerdanZzz 01:57 < VerdanZzz> Goodnight, everyone. 02:23 -!- Sky has quit 02:49 -!- Adelene has quit 02:50 -!- Adelene has joined #backstage 02:50 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Adelene] by ChanServ
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Post by Mother Starlight on Aug 14, 2015 15:52:53 GMT
03:13 -!- Sky has quit 03:38 -!- PDV has quit 06:29 -!- Kelsleep is now known as Kel 06:29 < Kel> Hi! 06:30 <@Adelene> o/ 06:30 < Kel> (Is there a difference between \o and o/ ?) 06:30 <@Adelene> (nope) 06:31 < Kel> ok 06:34 -!- FacelessWork has joined #backstage 06:35 < FacelessWork> hi 06:35 < Kel> Hi! 06:35 <@Adelene> o/ 06:42 < Kel> I just saw a really really cute video of a duck asking some people for help getting ducklings out of a manhole and someone rescuing them and they are so small and fuzzy and then the ducks are all swimming together 06:42 <@Adelene> aw ^^ 06:43 < Kel> should I link to it? 06:43 * Adelene doesn't especially want to watch. 06:43 < Kel> ok 06:45 < FacelessWork> yes link to it 06:45 * FacelessWork thinks that Adelene needs to get her priority straight 06:45 <@Adelene> pff 06:46 < Kel> link to ducks: http://kelsbraintumbler.tumblr.com/post/126663165612/petro1986-kyokosakurad-thebestoftumbling 07:02 < Kel> brb breakfast 07:15 < Kel> bk 07:15 <@Adelene> o/ 07:18 < Kel> \o 07:18 < Kel> .. I almost put an exclamation mark after that 07:18 <@Adelene> o/ \o hifive! 07:18 < Kel> =) 07:18 <@Adelene> ^^ 07:36 < FacelessWork> dorks 07:36 < FacelessWork> (adorable dorks) 07:36 <@Adelene> hee ^^ 07:42 < Kel> =) 07:43 <@Adelene> *examines kobold's mental state related to current point in sendingscience* Aww, kiddo. 07:44 <@Adelene> A thing that is going to need to happen: Tyche is going to need to reestablish that ze sees her as a person. 07:44 <@Adelene> And Lurker is highly disinclined to, like, ask. 07:57 -!- Butcher has joined #backstage 08:00 -!- kappabeta has joined #backstage 08:00 -!- mode/#backstage [+o kappabeta] by ChanServ 08:01 < Kel> Hi! 08:03 < Butcher> hi. 08:05 <@kappabeta> so it occurs to me that I forget if Esthfora-protection is even a thing publicly known about on the forum 08:05 <@Adelene> People seem to think it's not? It might be there and just buried. 08:06 <@kappabeta> this matters because I don't know how Lady Death found out about it 08:06 < Butcher> Mh... I thought you mentioned it to gabby. Uh... 08:07 < Butcher> I thought we decided to not do that thing 08:07 <@kappabeta> who is the "you" who mentioned it to gabby? 08:07 < Kel> Gabby is not Lady Death though? 08:07 < Butcher> so I now assumed Lady Death didn't find out about it. 08:07 <@kappabeta> I don't remember coming to a clear decision about it, so I've been idly fretting 08:07 < Butcher> In public 08:07 <@kappabeta> okay 08:07 < Butcher> when he says you shouldn't trust people who edited your mind. 08:08 < Butcher> If LD read about it, she forgot. 08:09 <@kappabeta> okay 08:15 < Butcher> how old do shetland ponies get? 08:15 < Butcher> *googles* 08:16 < Butcher> 35 years. 08:17 < Kel> I've been rereading the early threads 08:18 < Kel> those were really fun 08:18 < Butcher> more people, who were not as focused on the big plots. 08:18 < Butcher> We were just a bunch of people finding something cool 08:19 < Butcher> now every new character has a plot arc planned 08:19 < Butcher> It's why I'm contemplating a third character 08:20 < Butcher> who is a normal guy who has gotten a superpower out of nowhere and is now using it cleverly to help a bunch of doctors find and destroy tumors. 08:22 < Kel> that seems likkely to cause plot? 08:24 < Butcher> why? 08:24 < Kel> because people would want person to come do that for them? 08:26 < Butcher> Well, sure, they would need to get to his world, book an appointment and not eat anything twenty hours before that appointment. 08:26 < Kel> there is interworld transport too though 08:26 < Butcher> okay. They can do that. 08:27 < Butcher> It's 30k € though. 08:28 < Butcher> http://manyworlds.boards.net/thread/70/backstage-prospective-new-characters?page=2 08:28 < Butcher> here's an explanation. 08:28 < Butcher> He can turn things transparent and conjure a black smoke that swallows all sound. But if he does it to someone, including himself, they are blind and deaf. He can do only parts of his body, but then the blood comes out of the other parts and looks really gross. He uses his new found power together with a group of doctors sworn to secrecy to find tumors and us 08:29 < Butcher> e high powered lasers to destroy them 08:29 < Butcher> without cutting up the (unconscious)patients. 08:30 < Kel> I do not follow the first two paragraphs well 08:30 < Butcher> It's mostly fluff 08:31 < Butcher> from the setting I pulled him from 08:31 < Butcher> I might not use it. 08:32 < Kel> brb getting dressed 08:32 < Butcher> bye, gone soon. 08:33 < Butcher> The kids demand my attention. 09:04 -!- Adelene has quit 09:05 -!- Adelene has joined #backstage 09:05 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Adelene] by ChanServ 09:16 -!- Butcher has quit 09:23 -!- Teceler|Asleep is now known as Teceler 09:36 < Kel> Hi! 09:37 < Teceler> hello 09:37 < FacelessWork> ji 09:37 < Kel> Good morning! 09:37 < FacelessWork> hi* 09:38 < FacelessWork> how weird is the concept of "magic granting parasitic dandelions"? 09:38 < Teceler> ... 09:38 < Teceler> middling? XD 09:38 < Kel> :D 09:38 < FacelessWork> sorry ».» 09:38 < Kel> I approve! 09:38 < Kel> It sounds potentially very very neat! 09:39 < Teceler> that is a strange and surprising question! XD 09:40 < FacelessWork> the general idea is a plant that takes part of your life force to empower magic, and if you do too much and die, it will "bloom" your body emanates a cloud of seeds/spores 09:41 < Kel> Neat! 09:41 < Kel> It reminds me of a thing but I can't remember what 09:41 < Kel> it is also /horrifying/ but in a good way! 09:41 < FacelessWork> thanks, I imagine that would sell it to people 09:41 < Teceler> XD 09:42 < Kel> what do they look like? 09:42 < Kel> XD 09:42 < Teceler> what are the effects if you /don't/ do enough to kill you? 09:42 < Kel> what does the magic? 09:42 < Kel> *do 09:44 < FacelessWork> havent figured out most of it, but tends to be a general area of magic under a doman like "fire" or "emotions". Dandelions seeds describe the spores pretty well, I might make that it is possible to controllable "bloom" so you can grant powers to people 09:44 < Kel> ooh 09:44 < Kel> mental image connect to a webcomic let me find 09:44 < Kel> unless not wanted? 09:44 < FacelessWork> if youcan find it, I will look 09:45 < Kel> http://navcomic.com/not-a-villain/page-405406/ 09:45 < FacelessWork> so the seeds touch people and bond with them, but dont necessarily survive 09:45 < Kel> the flowers 09:46 < Kel> and if you click the vote button it has a higher definition versoin 09:46 < Kel> *version 09:46 < FacelessWork> what is that eyeless woman thingie? 09:47 < Kel> that is one of the characters 09:47 < Kel> it is in a virtual reality game 09:48 < Kel> she has a stage-persona of being evil and ominous, but is I think a nice person IRL 09:59 < FacelessWork> so I am unsure how creepy the "blooming" should look like, my worst idea is that it looks like the person is drying out as a cloud emerges from her mouth, bodymass changing into seeds 10:04 < Kel> veins having stems through them? 10:04 < Teceler> [muted aaaa] 10:04 < Kel> [hug?] 10:04 < Kel> should this go somewhere else? 10:04 < Teceler> [hug] 10:05 < Teceler> nah, I think I would be fine if Tyche was not going aaaa in my head at sendingscience 10:05 < Kel> [hugs for Tec and Tyche] 10:05 * Teceler points hugs at Lurker 10:05 < Kel> [hugs for Lurker too] 10:05 <@Adelene> *giggles* 10:06 <@Adelene> Lurker: [is hugged] [is aaa] 10:06 <@Adelene> She's much more /quietly/ aaa, though, after having checked on what Esthfora would actually contribute to this situation. 10:07 < Teceler> heh 10:08 < Teceler> Tyche: why are you aaa what is wrong help 10:09 < FacelessWork> brb lunch 10:09 < Teceler> enjoy 10:09 -!- FacelessWork is now known as FacelessLunch 10:11 -!- FacelessLunch has quit
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Post by Mother Starlight on Aug 15, 2015 18:55:29 GMT
03:13 -!- Sky has quit 03:38 -!- PDV has quit 06:29 -!- Kelsleep is now known as Kel 06:29 < Kel> Hi! 06:30 <@Adelene> o/ 06:30 < Kel> (Is there a difference between \o and o/ ?) 06:30 <@Adelene> (nope) 06:31 < Kel> ok 06:34 -!- FacelessWork has joined #backstage 06:35 < FacelessWork> hi 06:35 < Kel> Hi! 06:35 <@Adelene> o/ 06:42 < Kel> I just saw a really really cute video of a duck asking some people for help getting ducklings out of a manhole and someone rescuing them and they are so small and fuzzy and then the ducks are all swimming together 06:42 <@Adelene> aw ^^ 06:43 < Kel> should I link to it? 06:43 * Adelene doesn't especially want to watch. 06:43 < Kel> ok 06:45 < FacelessWork> yes link to it 06:45 * FacelessWork thinks that Adelene needs to get her priority straight 06:45 <@Adelene> pff 06:46 < Kel> link to ducks: http://kelsbraintumbler.tumblr.com/post/126663165612/petro1986-kyokosakurad-thebestoftumbling 07:02 < Kel> brb breakfast 07:15 < Kel> bk 07:15 <@Adelene> o/ 07:18 < Kel> \o 07:18 < Kel> .. I almost put an exclamation mark after that 07:18 <@Adelene> o/ \o hifive! 07:18 < Kel> =) 07:18 <@Adelene> ^^ 07:36 < FacelessWork> dorks 07:36 < FacelessWork> (adorable dorks) 07:36 <@Adelene> hee ^^ 07:42 < Kel> =) 07:43 <@Adelene> *examines kobold's mental state related to current point in sendingscience* Aww, kiddo. 07:44 <@Adelene> A thing that is going to need to happen: Tyche is going to need to reestablish that ze sees her as a person. 07:44 <@Adelene> And Lurker is highly disinclined to, like, ask. 07:57 -!- Butcher has joined #backstage 08:00 -!- kappabeta has joined #backstage 08:00 -!- mode/#backstage [+o kappabeta] by ChanServ 08:01 < Kel> Hi! 08:03 < Butcher> hi. 08:05 <@kappabeta> so it occurs to me that I forget if Esthfora-protection is even a thing publicly known about on the forum 08:05 <@Adelene> People seem to think it's not? It might be there and just buried. 08:06 <@kappabeta> this matters because I don't know how Lady Death found out about it 08:06 < Butcher> Mh... I thought you mentioned it to gabby. Uh... 08:07 < Butcher> I thought we decided to not do that thing 08:07 <@kappabeta> who is the "you" who mentioned it to gabby? 08:07 < Kel> Gabby is not Lady Death though? 08:07 < Butcher> so I now assumed Lady Death didn't find out about it. 08:07 <@kappabeta> I don't remember coming to a clear decision about it, so I've been idly fretting 08:07 < Butcher> In public 08:07 <@kappabeta> okay 08:07 < Butcher> when he says you shouldn't trust people who edited your mind. 08:08 < Butcher> If LD read about it, she forgot. 08:09 <@kappabeta> okay 08:15 < Butcher> how old do shetland ponies get? 08:15 < Butcher> *googles* 08:16 < Butcher> 35 years. 08:17 < Kel> I've been rereading the early threads 08:18 < Kel> those were really fun 08:18 < Butcher> more people, who were not as focused on the big plots. 08:18 < Butcher> We were just a bunch of people finding something cool 08:19 < Butcher> now every new character has a plot arc planned 08:19 < Butcher> It's why I'm contemplating a third character 08:20 < Butcher> who is a normal guy who has gotten a superpower out of nowhere and is now using it cleverly to help a bunch of doctors find and destroy tumors. 08:22 < Kel> that seems likkely to cause plot? 08:24 < Butcher> why? 08:24 < Kel> because people would want person to come do that for them? 08:26 < Butcher> Well, sure, they would need to get to his world, book an appointment and not eat anything twenty hours before that appointment. 08:26 < Kel> there is interworld transport too though 08:26 < Butcher> okay. They can do that. 08:27 < Butcher> It's 30k € though. 08:28 < Butcher> http://manyworlds.boards.net/thread/70/backstage-prospective-new-characters?page=2 08:28 < Butcher> here's an explanation. 08:28 < Butcher> He can turn things transparent and conjure a black smoke that swallows all sound. But if he does it to someone, including himself, they are blind and deaf. He can do only parts of his body, but then the blood comes out of the other parts and looks really gross. He uses his new found power together with a group of doctors sworn to secrecy to find tumors and us 08:29 < Butcher> e high powered lasers to destroy them 08:29 < Butcher> without cutting up the (unconscious)patients. 08:30 < Kel> I do not follow the first two paragraphs well 08:30 < Butcher> It's mostly fluff 08:31 < Butcher> from the setting I pulled him from 08:31 < Butcher> I might not use it. 08:32 < Kel> brb getting dressed 08:32 < Butcher> bye, gone soon. 08:33 < Butcher> The kids demand my attention. 09:04 -!- Adelene has quit 09:05 -!- Adelene has joined #backstage 09:05 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Adelene] by ChanServ 09:16 -!- Butcher has quit 09:23 -!- Teceler|Asleep is now known as Teceler 09:36 < Kel> Hi! 09:37 < Teceler> hello 09:37 < FacelessWork> ji 09:37 < Kel> Good morning! 09:37 < FacelessWork> hi* 09:38 < FacelessWork> how weird is the concept of "magic granting parasitic dandelions"? 09:38 < Teceler> ... 09:38 < Teceler> middling? XD 09:38 < Kel> :D 09:38 < FacelessWork> sorry ».» 09:38 < Kel> I approve! 09:38 < Kel> It sounds potentially very very neat! 09:39 < Teceler> that is a strange and surprising question! XD 09:40 < FacelessWork> the general idea is a plant that takes part of your life force to empower magic, and if you do too much and die, it will "bloom" your body emanates a cloud of seeds/spores 09:41 < Kel> Neat! 09:41 < Kel> It reminds me of a thing but I can't remember what 09:41 < Kel> it is also /horrifying/ but in a good way! 09:41 < FacelessWork> thanks, I imagine that would sell it to people 09:41 < Teceler> XD 09:42 < Kel> what do they look like? 09:42 < Kel> XD 09:42 < Teceler> what are the effects if you /don't/ do enough to kill you? 09:42 < Kel> what does the magic? 09:42 < Kel> *do 09:44 < FacelessWork> havent figured out most of it, but tends to be a general area of magic under a doman like "fire" or "emotions". Dandelions seeds describe the spores pretty well, I might make that it is possible to controllable "bloom" so you can grant powers to people 09:44 < Kel> ooh 09:44 < Kel> mental image connect to a webcomic let me find 09:44 < Kel> unless not wanted? 09:44 < FacelessWork> if youcan find it, I will look 09:45 < Kel> http://navcomic.com/not-a-villain/page-405406/ 09:45 < FacelessWork> so the seeds touch people and bond with them, but dont necessarily survive 09:45 < Kel> the flowers 09:46 < Kel> and if you click the vote button it has a higher definition versoin 09:46 < Kel> *version 09:46 < FacelessWork> what is that eyeless woman thingie? 09:47 < Kel> that is one of the characters 09:47 < Kel> it is in a virtual reality game 09:48 < Kel> she has a stage-persona of being evil and ominous, but is I think a nice person IRL 09:59 < FacelessWork> so I am unsure how creepy the "blooming" should look like, my worst idea is that it looks like the person is drying out as a cloud emerges from her mouth, bodymass changing into seeds 10:04 < Kel> veins having stems through them? 10:04 < Teceler> [muted aaaa] 10:04 < Kel> [hug?] 10:04 < Kel> should this go somewhere else? 10:04 < Teceler> [hug] 10:05 < Teceler> nah, I think I would be fine if Tyche was not going aaaa in my head at sendingscience 10:05 < Kel> [hugs for Tec and Tyche] 10:05 * Teceler points hugs at Lurker 10:05 < Kel> [hugs for Lurker too] 10:05 <@Adelene> *giggles* 10:06 <@Adelene> Lurker: [is hugged] [is aaa] 10:06 <@Adelene> She's much more /quietly/ aaa, though, after having checked on what Esthfora would actually contribute to this situation. 10:07 < Teceler> heh 10:08 < Teceler> Tyche: why are you aaa what is wrong help 10:09 < FacelessWork> brb lunch 10:09 < Teceler> enjoy 10:09 -!- FacelessWork is now known as FacelessLunch 10:11 -!- FacelessLunch has quit 10:59 -!- FacelessWork has joined #backstage 11:00 < FacelessWork> I have returned 11:00 < FacelessWork> o/ 11:00 < Teceler> wb 11:04 < Kel> Hi! 11:04 < Kel> Welcome back! 11:04 <@Adelene> Lurker is cutest cute. "[hug] [brief consideration] [sense of muted caution about imposing on Tyche [desire to be petted]]" 11:05 < Teceler> Tyche: [confusion] 11:05 <@Adelene> Tyche is *also* cutest cute. ^^ 11:05 < Teceler> XD 11:05 < FacelessWork> kel, you had a suggestion about that plant idea? I was going to read later but had to turn off the pc 11:06 < Kel> ah 11:06 < Kel> warning for body horror while I go look for 11:06 < Kel> <Kel> veins having stems through them? 11:06 < Kel> is that the thing you were thinking of? 11:07 < Kel> as part of the thing plants do if too much magic is used? 11:08 <@kappabeta> humans are missing out ^^ 11:08 < Kel> XD 11:09 <@Adelene> Humans /are/ missing out. ^^ 11:09 < FacelessWork> kel, not exactly because i wasnt aiming for gore exactly, or dunno, that sounds sort of gratuistoly gory, I might change my mind 11:09 <@kappabeta> <3 11:09 < Kel> Faceless had an idea for dandelion magic that hurts and kills people if they use too much? 11:09 < FacelessWork> what humans are missing out? 11:09 < Teceler> from sendingscience 11:09 < Kel> this is not a Garden thing 11:09 < Kel> ah 11:09 <@kappabeta> [notation of petting being a biological-bodies thing [likelihood of it being specific to furry ones [suggestion that humans are missing out]]] 11:09 < Teceler> Lurker: [notation of petting being a biological-bodies thing [likelihood of it being specific to furry ones [suggestion that humans are missing out]]] 11:09 < Teceler> pfft 11:10 < Kel> humans are furry enough for it to work sometimes 11:11 < FacelessWork> also it isnt literal dandelions, it is just that the plant thingie reproduces through seeds that are nearly identical 11:11 < Kel> okay so it is "dandelion" with air quotes magic 11:12 < Kel> ? 11:12 < FacelessWork> Kel, no problem, I just wanted to give the right mental image 11:12 < Kel> XD 11:12 < FacelessWork> xD 11:13 < Kel> Are they colorful? 11:13 < Kel> ooh there's some things related to dandelions that look more ominous I'll go see if I can find pics 11:13 < FacelessWork> yeah, like, individual clouds of "seeds" has a faint glow in a specific color (in mind head at least) 11:14 < Kel> you are creating it so anything you say about the system is true! 11:15 < Kel> turns out the things I thought were things pretending to be dandelions are /actual/ dandelions, that are just a weird subspecies 11:15 < FacelessWork> why they are weird? 11:16 < Kel> they are really really big 11:16 < Kel> like the size of somoene's head 11:16 < Teceler> ...that is /very/ big for a dandelion 11:17 < Kel> maybe less than that for grownups 11:17 < Kel> I looked up and they are more like the size of two fists 11:17 < FacelessWork> still impressive 11:18 < Kel> http://i.ytimg.com/vi/SZvZYz0UwhY/hqdefault.jpg 11:18 < Kel> large dandelion 11:18 < FacelessWork> I shall make mine bigger! 11:18 < Kel> yaay! 11:18 < Kel> so much fluff! 11:18 < Kel> so ominous! 11:19 < FacelessWork> what is ominous to a magically granting plant parasite? :D 11:19 < Kel> XD 11:19 < Kel> ... I wonder if they could be offset with Ka 11:20 < FacelessWork> ka? 11:20 < Teceler> when you say they eat life energy, do you mean / to what degree do you mean lifespan, Faceless? 11:21 < FacelessWork> more like "health bar", albeit it also affects lifespan to a degree 11:21 < Kel> ah 11:21 < Kel> can it be regained? 11:22 < FacelessWork> yeah, it is vaguely akin to being hurt, you can recover from it 11:22 < Kel> ohhh 11:22 < Kel> that is much less awful than I was imagining 11:22 < Kel> yay! 11:22 < FacelessWork> except suicidal attacks tend to be... impressive 11:23 < FacelessWork> and you can also sort of create a "power battery" and put a bit of life energy there bit by bit so you can use it later 11:23 < Kel> if you die for unrelated reasons while infected with dandelion, does it still bloom? 11:23 < Kel> neat! 11:23 < FacelessWork> depends, fast deaths wont cause the bloom, the blooming happens when you are still alive but near death and uses your remaining life energy to power itself 11:24 < FacelessWork> someone can prevent or interrupt the blooming by killing you outright 11:24 < Teceler> ...I feel like if healing magic exists it would interact interestingly with this 11:25 < Kel> can the dandelions be removed in any way? 11:25 < Kel> brb 11:26 < FacelessWork> Teceler: I think that you cant cheat the system itself, but if you have access to other kinds of magic you can muchkin the hell out of it. 11:26 < FacelessWork> Kel, I confess I havent thought about it, not using the power isnt that hard, but the blooming can be indeed a problem. 11:27 < Teceler> yeah, I figure if it existed it would involve lending/giving the healee a bit of your life energy. Still curious about what happens if you interrupt a bloom with that XD 11:29 < Kel> bk 11:29 < Teceler> wb 11:29 < Kel> thanks! 11:29 < Kel> where in a person do the dandelions live/ 11:29 < Kel> *? 11:29 < FacelessWork> ah, you meant the blooming... hum, I think the two could "fight" with the blooming draining the energy away, but it is possible to still heal the person and interrupt the blooming 11:30 < FacelessWork> Kel, I was thinking in their entire body, very integrated to their biology in little pieces 11:31 < Teceler> heh 11:33 < FacelessWork> I am now thinking that the best way to get rid of them would probably involve something like strong antibiotics or even chemo... 11:54 < Kel> ???????????? 11:54 < Kel> what. 11:54 < Kel> argh 11:54 < Teceler> ? 11:54 < Kel> Erocentrism 11:54 < FacelessWork> what they do? 11:55 < FacelessWork> what did* 11:55 < Teceler> oh 11:55 < Teceler> oh dear 11:55 < Kel> ssssss 11:56 < FacelessWork> o.o? 11:56 < Kel> "Thank you for providing a blatant example of exactly what I mean by implying false conflicts. That certainly is a well-crafted load of revisionist not-quite-lies right there. We're not having an argument, you're having an argument with a made up opponent you're pretending is me while I watch in bemusement instead of engaging because I recognize a common trolling strategy when I see one." 11:57 < Teceler> no, Erocentrism, you are the one who is doing that thing 11:57 < Teceler> pfffft "please keep in mind that I don't know you from a great big ball of incandescent gas, and some people on this forum enjoy murder parties" 11:57 < Kel> XD 11:57 < Kel> yeah 11:57 < Kel> (Jinx) 11:58 < Kel> Iiiii am done with this thread, could someone let me know if anything actually worth seeing happens there? 11:58 < Teceler> [hugs] 11:58 < Kel> [hugs] 12:00 < Teceler> brb 12:00 < Kel> k 12:00 < FacelessWork> has erocentrism author came forth? 12:00 < Kel> no 12:01 < FacelessWork> and Sonata cant make them came forth? 12:01 <@Sonata> Dunno if I could. I /won't/ /make/ them without a /very/ good reason. 12:02 < Kel> that is reasonable 12:04 < Teceler> bk 12:04 < Kel> wb! 12:04 < Teceler> someone could ooc pm erocentrism about the issue? 12:05 -!- VerdanZzz has quit 12:05 < FacelessWork> ah, I just feel that someone should ooc tell them that Erocentrism is making people uncomfortable 12:05 < FacelessWork> ah, ninja'ed 12:05 < Teceler> (which wouldn't require them to identify themselves) 12:05 < FacelessWork> yeah, lets go with that 12:06 <@Adelene> I'm willing to take point but don't know what wants saying. 12:06 < Teceler> I'm not sure either about the details either, I just know I couldn't express it politely XD 12:06 <@Sonata> I'll write something. 12:07 < Kel> thank you 12:07 <@Adelene> Left to my own devices I'm kind of inclined toward something probably-unwisely blunt, like, 'all three of the aces who regularly hang out #backstage are upset at your obnoxious caricature; please stop'. 12:08 < Teceler> [hugs] 12:08 < Kel> [hug?] 12:08 <@Sonata> draft: Erocentrism is upsetting some people OOC. Would you be willing to get on IRC and talk about it? 12:08 <@Adelene> I mean, I'm personally not /that/ upset? But I'm sympathetically upset at other people being. 12:08 * FacelessWork also offers hugs 12:09 <@Sonata> (possibly relevant: I'm about to be afk for a couple hours) 12:09 < Kel> some of the thing is also the way the talking with DR is going 12:09 <@Adelene> (I am nonzero amounts of upset all on my own, though, that isn't a lie.) 12:10 -!- WorkFaceless has joined #backstage 12:10 < WorkFaceless> hi, what was my last message? 12:10 < Kel> * FacelessWork also offers hugs 12:10 <@Sonata> 'yeah, lets go with that' 12:10 < WorkFaceless> resending - oooh, I forgot to ask this to kappa: but could Esthfora inverse-ward something like the Simurgh so it doesnt affect people? 12:10 <@Sonata> er actually 12:10 <@kappabeta> that is not how Esthfora, I don't think. 12:11 <@Sonata> '/me also offers hugs' 12:11 < Teceler> the way they are accusing other people of other people of misrepresenting their arguments while doing that to them, and such, is also frustrating 12:11 < Teceler> is that the think with DR Kel? 12:11 < Kel> yeah 12:11 < Kel> and also ignoring everything he says 12:12 < Kel> and not actually adressing any of the concerns about anything they do 12:14 -!- FacelessWork has quit 12:15 < WorkFaceless> KILL YOUR DOUBLE 12:15 < Kel> XD 12:15 < Kel> yes do that 12:15 -!- WorkFaceless is now known as FacelessWork 12:15 < Teceler> pffft 12:15 < Kel> <3 12:16 < Kel> also I now have an etherpad with some progress on the plant catalogue 12:17 < Kel> if anyone would like links? 12:17 < Teceler> sure! 12:17 < Kel> https://etherpad.net/p/plantalogue 12:17 < FacelessWork> plant away 12:17 < Kel> hee 12:18 < Kel> so far there are just different kinds of buildings 12:20 < FacelessWork> the house only last three weeks? 12:20 < Kel> no, it just blooms after three weeks 12:20 < Kel> er 12:21 < Kel> it blooms /for/ three weeks 12:21 < Kel> after [time conversion brb] 12:21 < Kel> after about three months and one week 12:22 < Kel> and then it makes little fluffy seeds for three weeks 12:22 < Kel> I made a spreadsheet to do time conversion and it is so much nicer than doing them all by hand! 12:23 < Teceler> that sounds useful! 12:23 < Kel> yeah! 12:23 < Kel> did that help with confusion? 12:25 < FacelessWork> yup 12:26 < Kel> yay! =) 12:26 < FacelessWork> I feel there should be some "basic shape trees" but they might not quarantee specific description 12:27 -!- erocentric has joined #backstage 12:27 < Teceler> ...hello. 12:27 < FacelessWork> salutations 12:27 < erocentric> Hi. Apparently my character is causing OOC badfeelings? 12:28 < Kel> yeah 12:28 < erocentric> Okay. What'd you like me to do about that? 12:29 <@Adelene> There's kind of two problems here. 12:29 -!- butcher has joined #backstage 12:29 <@Adelene> One of 'em is that she's acting pretty troll-ey, which people don't like much even when it's an IC thing. 12:29 -!- PDV has joined #backstage 12:30 < butcher> hi 12:30 < PDV> hi 12:31 < FacelessWork> hi 12:31 <@Adelene> The other one is that she seems - kind of not really a person? Particularly the backstory, it feels like she's more frankensteined together to suit a particular plot/role than organically grown, which is really pushing some people's buttons especially about some of the minority stuff. 12:32 <@Adelene> The first one might be solvable with a little more communication about what you-the-author are going for there and whether/how that's meant to be prosocial. The second one, *shrug*. 12:33 < Kel> (I need to go do a school thing) 12:33 -!- Kel is now known as Kelsewhere 12:33 < erocentric> Yeah, I kept worrying about that, but she would be utterly convinced that Dr. Realist is trolling her. As for the second thing... sorry? That's kind of worrying, because the Cameron template is the most templatey character I have, and apparently I'm failing to bring her across. 12:33 < Teceler> good luck with school think Kel 12:33 < Kelsewhere> (thanks) 12:34 -!- FacelessWork has quit 12:35 < Teceler> *thing 12:35 <@Adelene> [is better at pithy restatement than solutions, today] [fades to the back to let other people talk] 12:36 < erocentric> What's going on in Cameron's head with Dr. Realist, is that from Cameron's perspective his impression of her is so antithetical that she's sure it's deliberate. 12:36 < erocentric> Deliberate hostility, that is. 12:37 < Teceler> I mean, there /is/ growing hostility there, iirc, but it has a lot more to do with erocentrism's reactions 12:37 < erocentric> Which is kinda self-fulling prophecy I guess. But a Cameron's reaction to deliberate hostility is pretty much to refuse to verbally defend herself. 12:38 < erocentric> I'm not sure quite how to define the trait I'm imagining, here, but it's kind of on the princiiple of "don't give him material" or something like that. 12:38 <@Adelene> Okay, but she keeps responding though. 12:39 < Teceler> that, yeah 12:39 < butcher> I like it honestly 12:39 <@Adelene> And her responses /are/ giving him material. 12:39 < butcher> I don't know why you need to resolve all these things OOC 12:39 < butcher> It's authentic 12:39 < Teceler> butcher: because it is bothering people OOC? Not so much that as the other thing but 12:40 < butcher> There are no fora without trolls 12:40 < erocentric> And this is a case where two people each think the other is trolling them. 12:40 < erocentric> Right? 12:40 < Teceler> ...hm, would Tyche dropping in with a statistical analysis of Dr. Realist's posting history be helpful? 12:41 < butcher> All this metagaming... 12:41 < erocentric> I think it would take something on the order of the rainbow truth goddess vouching for Dr. Realist at this point. 12:41 < Teceler> also DR isn't the only one erocentrism is acting trollishly towards, there is a reason Tyche stopped posting there 12:41 <@Adelene> To get her to realize he's not trolling, sure, but that's not the only viable resolution here. 12:41 < butcher> what's the problem with them agreeing to drop the matter and in the future liking each other less? 12:41 <@Adelene> (also that yes) 12:42 < butcher> Or continuing to bicker? 12:42 < Teceler> because DR is not icly inclined to do that I think? 12:42 < Teceler> butcher: this seems to be a community heavy in metagaming. 12:42 < erocentric> I could just let Cameron let DR have the last word. 12:42 < Teceler> if you want to call it that 12:43 < butcher> How about MS giving an infraction? 12:43 < butcher> no wait, they are in a thread dedicated to their bickering 12:44 <@Adelene> butcher: This isn't the kind of game with points or winners. Really, it's not a /game/ at all. It's storytelling. Collaborating with your fellow authors to get the kinds of stories you want is a /good/ thing. 12:44 < Teceler> what Adelene said 12:44 < Teceler> I think the point at which MS intervenes is if this interferes with people wanting to read the forum? (Sonata?) 12:44 < erocentric> If someone else asked point blank about one of the issues Cameron is refusing to talk to DR about, that might work, like Ahrotan was doing. 12:45 < butcher> yes. But if you solve everything out of character that is kind of the way to crackfiction. 12:45 < Teceler> ??? 12:45 < butcher> and makes the story less realistic 12:45 < erocentric> ...it seems to work fine for solo authors? 12:46 < butcher> Well, I liked the argument. The Forum needs a little more chaos. 12:47 < Teceler> that is your opinion and you are free to have it 12:47 < butcher> yes. 12:48 < erocentric> Oven is beeping. AFK. 12:48 < Teceler> but please do not imply that it is also the opinion other people should have 12:49 < butcher> I just realized there's no good english equivalent for "Guten Appetit." 12:49 < butcher> "Have a nice meal." is kinda clunky. 12:49 <@Adelene> Bon Appetit is I think our equivalent. 12:50 <@kappabeta> we borrow from french generally, "bon appetit" 12:50 <@kappabeta> yeah 12:50 < butcher> Ah 12:50 < butcher> k 13:16 < erocentric> Alright, so was this sufficiently resolved or is there more about Cameron I should talk about? 13:17 <@Adelene> The personish thing is still a thing. 13:17 < Teceler> it might be worth reading logs, or just searching them for mentions 13:17 < erocentric> ? 13:19 < erocentric> Could you elaborate on the personish thing? Because the Cameron in my head is a strange and disturbing person but she has traits and internal consisency and motivations and stuff. 13:19 < Teceler> logs (most recent page): http://manyworlds.boards.net/thread/76/backstage-chat-logs?page=7 13:21 <@Adelene> Like, it's awfully /convenient/ that her trans status worked just that way and her aceness works just that way, kind of thing? 13:21 <@Adelene> Not that people with those exact manifestations don't exist, but it slots into her story way too neatly. 13:24 < erocentric> Does it? I mean, I'm having a hard time seeing what you mean. Those traits lead to how her story goes, not the other way around. 13:28 <@Adelene> *pokes Sonata* 13:31 < erocentric> And they're not the -primary- catalyst for her template backstory. Like, a non-ace Cameron could exist, but she wouldn't behave differently. She'd, treat it like a bias, maybe? 13:33 < Teceler> even if they were pansexual? 13:33 <@Adelene> That's potentially useful maybe, but, like. I'm not one of the primary people who was upset and I'm really low on brain right now, so. :P 13:33 < erocentric> Who was upset? 13:35 < erocentric> I want to say that a pansexual Cameron would possibly consider that a bias towards pretty people? 13:35 <@Adelene> Kel and Verdancy mostly. Probably notable, both of those (and also myself) are ace and were upset about that bit. 13:36 < Teceler> the fact that Erocentrism seemed to be saying ace people that didn't work like them (and in particular sex-repulsed ace people) didn't exist was... [words] 13:36 <@Adelene> yeah 13:36 < erocentric> Well, I can say right now that I certainly don't think asexuality is a, defect, or whatever. 13:38 < Teceler> that is good to know 13:38 < erocentric> For Cameron, that wasn't the intent either. The issue there was that Cameron was reacting to the perception that she was being told that she can't be asexual if she likes sex. 13:40 < Teceler> --well, what /Tyche/ was trying to say was that Erocentrism should clarify what they meant by that, if that was the case. (it may have kind of gotten buried under Tyche going aaa at the whole thing) 13:42 < erocentric> Yeah, it may be a little bit the same thing that's she's reacting to with DR? Like, to her it's obvious she -hasn't- made any claims about what -other- attributes asexuals as a category do or don't have and feels like everyone else is trying to tack on addendums? 13:43 < Teceler> ...um 13:43 < Teceler> that is not actually the case 13:43 < Teceler> (also, re: their response to Tyche, they /did not actually originally say that thing/) 13:44 < Teceler> (they said 'had never' not 'would never') 13:44 < erocentric> Who said? 13:44 < Teceler> Erocentrism 13:45 < erocentric> *goes to check* 13:47 < erocentric> Ah, okay, I think this is my bad. I wasn't thinking the tense I used might confuse the meaning. 13:47 < erocentric> But apparently it did. 13:54 < erocentric> That was -only- supposed to be about the difference between attraction and, I guess, undirected horniness? 13:54 < Teceler> ...uh 13:54 < Teceler> Tyche is still making faces at that 13:54 < erocentric> Which part and why? 13:55 < Teceler> implication that all ace people work in that way 13:55 < Teceler> which might be an /unintended/ implication but 13:56 < erocentric> Well, yes, that is very much an unintended implication if it is indeed there. 13:56 < erocentric> On Cameron's part even moreso than mine, possibly. 13:56 <@Adelene> Multiple people were going augh about it, so. 13:56 < Teceler> but characters do not necessarily have the information to know that it is unintended? And neither did we until you said oocly? 13:57 < erocentric> Yes, it is not an obvious thought for Cameron to see how it might be taken that way. 13:59 < erocentric> As far as Cameron is concerned, she has not said anything about the presence or absence of undirected horniness in ace people as a category. 14:00 < erocentric> Merely that that is how -she- works as a subset of that category. 14:01 <@Adelene> The bit where multiple other characters have tried to point that out to her and she's gotten defensive and troll-ey at all of them is kind of a problem though. 14:01 <@Adelene> Makes us think you the author are opposed to her acknowledging it. 14:02 < erocentric> Okay, but I don't know what to do about that. 14:04 <@Adelene> It is possible - though not /very/ likely, at this point - that someone else can come up with another character to try again. Alternately, if it's in character at all, have her go away and think about it for a bit and realize on her own? Or have something on her end bring the issue to her attention. 14:04 <@Adelene> (Lurker is not really available for this outside of, like, Tyche asking her to try or something. Even then, unlikely.) 14:05 < erocentric> Well, the thing is, she already acknowledges the thing you want her to acknowledge, and she's reacting the way she is because from her perspective she's being attacked on grounds she doesn't contest. 14:05 < Teceler> um 14:05 < Teceler> that is not at all clear icly? 14:06 < Teceler> and they also seem to think everyone should be able to perfectly tell what they mean, which, um 14:06 < erocentric> There is, a little bit of that? 14:06 < Teceler> brb 14:07 < erocentric> But only about this specific thing. 14:09 < erocentric> And it's going both ways.. 14:12 < Teceler> bk 14:13 < Teceler> like, Tyche feels like ze is being told that ze doesn't exist and/or is defective. Which, um 14:14 <@Adelene> that is in fact a thing Lurker is likely to react to if she hears about it. 14:15 < erocentric> Well, Tyche could, actually say that. It seems like right now it's kind of a deadlock where both sides are being passive aggressive and thinking the other side is being obtuse? 14:15 <@kappabeta> I could have Branch step in. 14:15 -!- PDV is now known as PDVanished 14:16 < Teceler> Tyche is not very inclined to do that thing, because ze expects to just get that same thing again 14:16 -!- PDVanished is now known as PDV 14:17 < erocentric> Which is ironically, also a factor in how Cameron is acting. 14:17 <@kappabeta> What happens if someone comes in and says something to the effect of "Erocentrism, the more you say in this thread, the more confused I become about what you are trying to communicate. I'm interested in your perspective but I don't have a clear understanding of it. Could you please explain some of this again in a less confrontational way?" and then lists some of the things people have been aughing about? 14:17 <@kappabeta> you guys will probably have to tell me which things exactly to list, also I bet that line got cut off, did it 14:17 < Teceler> 'people have been aughing about?' 14:18 <@Adelene> Did not appear to get cut. 14:18 <@kappabeta> nope, not cut off, ok good 14:18 < Teceler> unless there was more after that it didn't 14:18 <@Adelene> Talking to Tec elsewhere about Tyche, there is in fact a nontrivial chance of Lurker stepping in if Cordelia doesn't get there first (or maybe even if she does, depending on response). 14:19 < erocentric> I'm not sure, that could go either way. Cameron would react well to some one coming in to say "So, wait, do you or do you not actually believe/do X" or something like that. 14:19 <@kappabeta> which things should Cordelia list in her request for explanations if she does that? 14:20 -!- FacelessWork has joined #backstage 14:20 < FacelessWork> hi 14:20 < Teceler> hello 14:22 < FacelessWork> how are things? 14:26 < Teceler> I'm going to have to head out for a while shortly 14:28 < Teceler> (pfft, it occurs to me that it is probably good for purposes of this not turning into even more of a thing that Thorn cannot currently forum) 14:30 <@Adelene> Tyche would have two people being smol and very biting, here? ^^ 14:30 < Teceler> yeah XD 14:30 <@Adelene> hee ^^ 14:31 < FacelessWork> how is the erocentrism thing going? 14:31 < erocentric> If someone is going to come in with a "so, wait", any of Dr. Realists more straightforward accusations would work. Maybe? 14:32 < Teceler> have to leave now, will be back later 14:32 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Away 14:32 < erocentric> I mean, if Cameron was convinced she wasn't being trolled, she would've just said, "No, of course I don't think that, where are you even getting that..." and so on. 14:33 < erocentric> To begin with. 14:36 -!- tecephone has joined #backstage 14:36 * tecephone is briefly on phone 14:39 < erocentric> Should I say more about what was going on in Cameron's head? 14:43 -!- PDV is now known as PDVanished 14:46 -!- PDVanished is now known as PDV 14:50 -!- sigma has joined #backstage 14:50 < sigma> Hello 14:52 -!- erocentric has quit 14:52 < sigma> Is it quiet this morning? 14:53 < sigma> Afternoon I guess 14:53 <@Adelene> intermittently. 14:55 -!- Kelsewhere is now known as Kel 14:55 < Kel> back 14:55 < Kel> forgot to get textbooks after student gov meeting 14:58 < Kel> huh 14:58 * Sonata reads backscroll 14:58 < sigma> Hello Kel 14:58 < Kel> Hi! 14:58 < Kel> Sigma! 15:00 < Kel> brb a timer 15:00 <@Sonata> Interfering with people wanting to read the forum is definitely one of the things MS objects to. It's not necessarily the only thing but it's the main thing I can think of atm. 15:00 <@Sonata> (MS is defined as 'whatever she needs to be in order for the premise to exist') 15:01 <@Sonata> (the premise of the forum/continuity/thing) 15:01 <@Adelene> Oh, that reminds me. 15:02 <@Adelene> I've reworked how Carp magic works a little and the thing with the mirror's caster doesn't really make sense any more? I'd like to change that to 'MS made the mirror really durable, mage couldn't break it'. 15:03 <@Adelene> (If not, I'll ignore it 'till I can think of something else, it's fine.) 15:04 -!- MTC has quit 15:05 <@Sonata> I don't really understand the system/issue enough to have an idea what would make sense there 15:05 -!- FacelessWork has quit 15:05 <@Sonata> it's not obvious to me why she would do that 15:06 <@Sonata> what would happen if MS said through the mirror, "I realize this looks weird, but I promise it's not a miscast, keeping the mirror is safe"? 15:07 <@Adelene> Not much unless Lurker was both right there and inclined to potentially screw over her tribemate. 15:08 <@Adelene> *pokes at* 15:08 <@Adelene> It is just on the edge of possible that the mage would recognize that as language and take it to her as the speaker, I guess. 15:10 <@Sonata> What if MS appeared visually in the mirror and bodylanguaged with the mage? 15:10 <@Sonata> (MS is good at communication) 15:10 <@Adelene> That would be EXTREMELY ALARMING. 15:11 < Kel> bk 15:12 <@Adelene> o/ 15:12 -!- tecephone has quit 15:12 <@Adelene> Like, the bit where she could clearly see them would send the whole tribe fleeing. 15:12 < Kel> \o 15:12 < sigma> Welcome back! 15:12 < Kel> thanks! 15:12 < Kel> timer was apparently a reminder to eat a food, which I am now doing 15:13 <@Sonata> What was the spell supposed to do, again? 15:14 <@Adelene> Show some particular place in their territory. 15:17 <@Sonata> Is it steerable like googlemaps, or one particular place hardwired into the spell? 15:19 <@Sonata> if the former, possible idea is they look at where they are for testing/calibration/shits&giggles, notice the mirror-in-the-image is black, zoom in, it's actually showing an image of the Deep Sky 15:20 <@Sonata> so first establish that it's not miscast, then introduce the forum 15:20 <@Adelene> Hmh. 15:20 <@Sonata> (i don't suppose mages can just tell whether they miscast or not somehow?) 15:20 -!- sigma_ has joined #backstage 15:20 <@Adelene> I was actually poking at that as a possibility. 15:21 <@Sonata> you did say they needed to non-mis cast 25 times in a row before it's a good idea to cast on people 15:21 <@Adelene> Yup. 15:21 <@Sonata> so presumably they can tell /somehow/ 15:21 <@Sonata> although that might just be 'play with it and see if it works as expected' 15:21 <@Adelene> I mean, the usual way to tell is that if a spell does something other than what you intended, it's a miscast. 15:22 <@Adelene> Once you're good enough at carp magery to be able to actually tell whether a spell is miscast, you don't have them any more. 15:22 <@Sonata> is there a time limit, like if you go a week without dying it's definitely not a miscast? 15:22 <@Sonata> because MS could just /wait/ 15:22 <@Adelene> That's true. 15:23 -!- sigma has quit 15:23 <@Adelene> There is, it's three days, something suddenly starting to act weird after that timeframe would probably be reacted to as a standard miscast though. 15:23 <@Sonata> What if the mirror were produced under the influence of a strange mood? 15:24 <@Adelene> Hm. 15:24 <@Adelene> Magic strange moods don't usually work that way, but magic strange moods are super rare, so she could actually spoof one and get away with it if she was careful. 15:25 <@Sonata> I did have her say something earlier that contradicts that, along the lines of 'the forum/manifestation responded to the spell being cast, I'm not sure about details', so that would be either lying or retconned 15:26 <@Sonata> which is not completely a dealbreaker but not ideal 15:26 <@Adelene> *nod* 15:26 <@Adelene> I think being able to see it as not-a-miscast but worrying anyway works well enough. 15:27 <@Sonata> the question is, how is that seen 15:27 <@Adelene> Carp magic comes with a sense. 15:27 <@Sonata> ahh 15:27 -!- sigma has joined #backstage 15:27 <@Sonata> so the mage is experienced enough to know? 15:27 <@Adelene> mmhmm 15:27 <@Sonata> because 15:27 <@Sonata> 22:28 <Adelene> Once you're good enough at carp magery to be able to actually tell whether a spell is miscast, you don't have them any more. 15:28 <@Adelene> Right, but they don't know that that's a law of physics. 15:28 -!- sigma_ has quit 15:28 <@Sonata> aha 15:29 < Kel> I am not sure how JttW is elaborating/providing new information? 15:29 < Kel> I am confused 15:31 <@Adelene> They're not, especially, they're just going 'yay erocentrism'. 15:31 < Kel> yeah 15:31 < Kel> I thought maybe there was other meaning I was misisng 15:31 < Kel> *missing 15:31 < Kel> hidden in that 15:32 < Kel> because the last thing said re this was <erocentric> Should I say more about what was going on in Cameron's head? 15:32 <@Adelene> That might be one of Ero's rl friends or something. 15:32 -!- PDV is now known as PDVanished 15:33 < Kel> it seems likely 15:33 < Kel> but that doesn't really help anything so far? 15:34 <@Adelene> Give 'em time, see what they do? 15:35 < Kel> ok 15:36 -!- PDVanished is now known as PDV 15:37 -!- sigma_ has joined #backstage 15:37 -!- sigma has quit 15:38 < sigma_> My connection seems to be erratic today 15:38 < Kel> aw 15:38 < Kel> that is annoying 15:38 -!- sigma_ is now known as sigma 15:38 < Kel> [hug?] 15:39 < sigma> [hug.] 15:40 <@Sonata> I am very confused by joytotheworld 15:41 -!- butcher has quit 15:42 -!- sigma_ has joined #backstage 15:43 < Kel> I am also confused 15:44 -!- tecephone has joined #backstage 15:44 < Kel> Hi! 15:44 -!- sigma has quit 15:44 < tecephone> Hey 15:44 <@Sonata> like, are they asking non-Eros what they would do if they were weather like Ero? are they asking Ero what she would do if she were additionally weather? 15:44 <@Sonata> and is "we're water" a typo for "werewater"? 15:44 -!- sigma_ is now known as sigma 15:44 < Kel> I don't know 15:45 < Kel> I am confused 15:45 <@Adelene> oh, that 15:45 <@Adelene> pretty obviously typos both times. 15:45 < Kel> both? what is the other? 15:46 <@Adelene> 'weather' and 'we're water' are both meant to be 'werewater'. 15:46 < Kel> oh 15:46 < Kel> so a typo correction is the second one? 15:46 < Kel> which is just also a typo? 15:46 <@Adelene> The second one is trying to be a typo correction of the first, yes. 15:46 < Kel> ok 15:47 * Sonata speculates that JttW is one of Santa's reindeer and relies heavily on autocorrect because typing with hooves is hard 15:48 <@kappabeta> XD 15:48 < Kel> aww 15:48 <@Adelene> heh 15:48 < Kel> or possibly a bat? 15:50 < sigma> Typing reindeer is cute 15:50 -!- Adelene is now known as Napdelene 15:50 < Kel> ooh! 15:50 < Kel> a sleigh pulled by bats! 15:50 < Kel> which makes sense because it is supposed to fly! 15:50 <@Sonata> smol santa 15:51 < Kel> so smol 15:51 <@Sonata> in tiny bat-led sleigh 15:51 < Kel> is santa one of the little puffball bats? for the beard? 15:51 <@Sonata> no! santa is a tiny elf! 15:51 <@Sonata> he looks very similar to the Roaming Gnome 15:52 < tecephone> Sleep well Adelene 15:52 <@Sonata> Goodsleep 15:52 < Kel> good sleep! 15:52 <@Sonata> bearded tinkerbell in a ridiculous pointy hat 15:53 < tecephone> Pffft 15:53 < Kel> heee 15:53 < Kel> okay but 15:53 < Kel> http://faculty.washington.edu/ssantana/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/DSC00214-crop-e1396675651948.jpg 15:53 < Kel> this bat is clearly an elf 15:54 < Kel> and has a fluffy white beard 15:54 < Kel> and is from the /Santana/ lab 15:54 <@Sonata> that is a ridiculous fuzzy 15:54 <@Sonata> I have been persuaded by your argument 15:54 <@Sonata> that is clearly a santa bat 15:55 < Kel> :D 15:55 < tecephone> XD 15:56 <@Sonata> (horror cw: zoom in on batface, imagine a hoarse voice in your ear going HE SEES YOU WHEN YOU'RE SLEEPING) 15:56 < Kel> heeeee 15:56 < Kel> this kind of bat all snuggle together under one leaf when it is raining 15:56 <@Sonata> oh no 15:57 <@Sonata> too cute 15:57 < Kel> http://cdn2.arkive.org/media/F5/F5FE00C5-D58D-47C3-9BA3-97D558B36A31/Presentation.Large/Honduran-white-bats-roosting.jpg 15:57 < sigma> That's cute 15:57 <@Sonata> /slain 15:57 * Kel piles smol bats upon Sonata in order to attempt revival? 15:57 <@Sonata> pod of fuzzballs! 15:57 < Kel> so small! 15:57 <@Sonata> *muffled giggles from beneath fuzzbats* 15:58 < Kel> = 15:58 < Kel> er. =) 15:58 < Kel> heee 15:58 <@Sonata> fuzz grows in clusters like grapes! 15:58 < Kel> yes!~ and then it flies around! 15:58 < Kel> it is a mobile plant? 15:58 <@Sonata> imagine their tiny little sneezes 15:58 < Kel> oh noooo 15:59 <@Sonata> tyu! 15:59 < Kel> gezhundteit! 16:00 < Kel> apparently they make leaves into tents! 16:00 -!- tecephone has quit 16:03 -!- tecephone has joined #backstage 16:04 -!- Kelsewhere has joined #backstage 16:05 < sigma> Hello also Kel 16:05 < Kelsewhere> hi! 16:05 < Kelsewhere> internet went out but is now back 16:07 -!- Kel has quit 16:07 < Kelsewhere> huh 16:07 -!- Kelsewhere is now known as Kel 16:12 -!- tecephone has quit 16:12 -!- Teceler|Away is now known as Teceler 16:12 < Kel> wb! 16:13 < Teceler> thanks 16:15 -!- PDV has quit 16:19 < Kel> yay editing 16:19 < Teceler> hm? 16:19 < Kel> JttW edited their post 16:19 < Teceler> ah 16:27 < Kel> haha I just got a reply to an email 16:27 < Kel> that I sent this morning 16:27 < Kel> me: On the schedule, it says that Student Government starts at 9:25. 16:27 < Kel> I had assumed that it would start at 12:00, like last year. 16:27 < Kel> What time should I be there? 16:27 < Kel> her, just now: 12:05, thanks for coming :) 16:28 < Kel> I feel like that is a little too late to be useful, but I'm glad I guessed correctly 16:29 < sigma> Haha yeah 16:30 < sigma> Little slow there 16:32 -!- sigma_ has joined #backstage 16:32 < sigma_> Good on you for figuring it out. 16:32 < Kel> =) 16:33 -!- sigma has quit 16:33 < Kel> kyd and all that 16:36 < Kel> "what are the canonical facts about this floor?" 16:36 < Kel> "time to go hunt for evidence" 16:36 < Teceler> pfft 16:39 -!- sigma has joined #backstage 16:39 <@Sonata> kyd? 16:40 -!- sigma_ has quit 16:41 < Kel> kill your double 16:41 -!- sigma_ has joined #backstage 16:43 < sigma_> GCI seems to be a flaky mobile network. Looking forward to getting back to T-Mobile land. 16:43 -!- sigma has quit 16:44 < Teceler> fun 16:46 -!- sigma has joined #backstage 16:47 < sigma> Sorry friends, I could disconnect until it's more stable? 16:47 < Teceler> it's okay 16:47 < Kel> it isn't annoying me 16:48 -!- sigma_ has quit 16:59 -!- sigma_ has joined #backstage 17:00 -!- sigma__ has joined #backstage 17:01 -!- sigma has quit 17:02 -!- sigma_ has quit 17:04 -!- sigma__ has quit 17:04 -!- FacelessTired has joined #backstage 17:07 < Kel> hi 17:08 < Teceler> hello 17:12 < Kel> Kiro is a good egg 17:13 < Kel> he is good at doing the thing he does, which is good 17:13 < Kel> heh. he is god at doing the thing he does 17:14 < Teceler> pfft 17:28 < FacelessTired> Good to the good god! 17:31 < Kel> XD 17:31 < Kel> yes 17:31 < Kel> brb neighbor dog 17:49 < Kel> bk 17:49 < Teceler> wb 17:49 < Kel> thanks! 17:58 < Kel> are there still plans to rescue M2? 18:00 < FacelessTired> steve was slain! D: 18:00 < FacelessTired> and the wall of flesh has awoken 18:01 < Kel> what? 18:01 < Kel> ??? 18:01 < FacelessTired> I was playing Terraria and that happened 18:01 < Kel> ah 18:02 < Kel> I thought that was in response to my question and was very confused 18:02 < Kel> good luck against the wall of flesh? 18:03 < FacelessTired> I tried to escape it actually 18:03 < FacelessTired> I am hope it isnt down there anymore? 18:04 < Kel> good luck? 18:10 < FacelessTired> thanks, but he wasnt there 18:10 -!- Sky has joined #backstage 18:10 < Kel> Hi! 18:10 < Teceler> hello 18:10 < Sky> hello 18:10 < FacelessTired> hi 18:16 -!- sigma has joined #backstage 18:17 < sigma> Should be more stable for now. 18:17 < Kel> hi! 18:18 < Kel> Congrats! 18:18 < sigma> Hi Kel! 18:18 < Kel> Are there still plans for M2 to get rescued? 18:18 < Teceler> more stable connections are always nice! 18:24 < sigma> I posted to the artist thread, but I think Lurker's plot-unavailable with Nexus for now? 18:26 < sigma> So rescue might be postponed until she's available unless a Vorkosigan or someone picks it up. 18:26 < Teceler> Lurker is currently in Eclipe, yeah 18:27 < Teceler> she might have worked out who would handle that first, though? 18:27 < Kel> ah 18:27 < Kel> if you want to wait and don't mind TIME, you could declare Time Dilation? 18:28 < Kel> (why do people keep calling the phone?) 18:29 < sigma> I don't mind time dilation. If Adelene's up for it, we could declare this happened before Lurker left. 18:30 -!- Teceler is now known as TIME 18:30 * TIME growls 18:30 -!- TIME is now known as Teceler 18:33 < sigma> Is time the final boss of MWF 18:33 < Kel> XD 18:33 < Kel> <3 18:33 < Kel> yes 18:33 < Teceler> pfft 18:33 < Kel> Time is Evil 18:33 < Teceler> possibly XD 18:35 < FacelessTired> aestrix hasn't been online lately? 18:36 < sigma> I don't think M2 likes this JoyToTheWorld post 18:36 < sigma> He's already heard about how great two bodies is 18:36 < Kel> [hugs for M2] 18:37 < Teceler> [hugs for M2] 18:38 < sigma> I hope we can liven up some other thread than Sexuality. 18:38 < Kel> yeah 18:38 < Kel> does anyone have worlds with good stories about invasive species? 18:38 < Kel> ... besides Eclipse maybe 18:38 * Teceler was about to bring up Eclipse XD 18:38 < Kel> (brb) 18:38 < Kel> XD 18:39 < sigma> Hmm 18:40 < sigma> M2 probably has Earthlike stories, on account of inhabiting basically an Earth 18:41 < sigma> Aranea and Big Creatures in general kind of are invasive species? 18:42 < Kel> (bk) 18:42 < sigma> Not sure Eskay's world yet has an equilibrium to disrupt 18:42 < Teceler> wb 18:42 < Kel> thx 18:42 < Kel> that seemed like a thing that might spark some discussion 18:43 < Kel> but instead ended with a link to wikipedia 18:44 < sigma> Equalest might have one? But he'd probably turn it into an allegory 18:44 < Teceler> pffft 18:44 < Kel> pf 18:47 <@Napdelene> 18:47 < sigma> Is there already a thread you're referencing Kel? 18:48 < Teceler> yeah 18:48 < Teceler> BE asked about it 18:48 < Kel> yeah 18:48 < Kel> http://manyworlds.boards.net/post/4951/thread 18:53 < sigma> Hmm 18:53 < sigma> If I can stand to introduce yet another character, I could have a human complain about Big Creatures there. 18:54 < sigma> Novelty wouldn't complain, she hunts them professionally. 18:54 < Kel> hee 18:55 < Kel> are there any Big Creatures that are dangerous to Aranea? 18:55 < sigma> Well, yes 18:56 < sigma> That's why most clans stay farther away. 18:56 < sigma> But it's not really news on an aranea timescale 18:57 < Kel> ah 19:17 -!- Kel is now known as Kelsleep 19:17 < Kelsleep> wait no 19:17 -!- Kelsleep is now known as Kelsupper 19:17 < Kelsupper> oops 19:18 < sigma> Hooray, supper 19:19 -!- PDV has joined #backstage 19:19 < sigma> That third meal of the day 19:21 < FacelessTired> hi PDV o/ 19:22 < PDV> `\o 19:26 < sigma> There, post. 19:28 < sigma> Wanna help liven up something besides Sexuality? 19:28 -!- Jarnvidr has joined #backstage 19:30 < sigma> Hi 19:32 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 19:33 < Andygal> BEWARE I LIVE. 19:33 * PDV loads shotgun 19:33 < Teceler> hello Andygal! 19:34 < Andygal> Did I miss anything awesome? 19:37 < sigma> Welcome back Andygal! 19:38 < sigma> People seemed pretty excited about an art post in the sexuality thread 19:40 < sigma> Was it good camping? 19:41 < Andygal> Yes. Met a ton of awesome people and had a fantastic time. 19:42 < sigma> Sweet! 19:45 -!- Kelsupper is now known as Kel 19:45 < Kel> Andygal! 19:45 < Kel> Welcome back! 19:45 < Kel> :D 19:45 < Teceler> wb Kel 19:45 < Andygal> Hi Kel. 19:45 < Kel> Hi! 19:45 < Kel> I'm glad you had fun! 19:48 < sigma> Come post on the forum with us? React to posts you missed n stuff? 19:48 < Kel> oh, warnings about in Sexuality thread? 19:49 < sigma> It's kind of a messed up thread 19:50 < sigma> A little bit because it's kind of rapey 19:50 < sigma> Also because it's a big long argument about whether they're arguing 19:50 < Kel> and argumentative dishonesty about what has been said 19:51 < sigma> "I'm not arguing!" "No, _I'm_ not arguing!" 19:51 < Kel> "yes we are fucking arguing you are ignoring everything I'm saying and calling me a troll for being concerned about your vague plan" 19:52 < Teceler> "stop trolling me" 19:52 < Teceler> yeah it's pretty much that 19:53 < sigma> M2 summed it up for us and then somehow it kept going. 19:53 < Kel> M2 is adorable 19:55 < sigma> But not two dorables, sadly 19:55 < Kel> aw 19:56 < Andygal> awww 19:56 < Kel> he is a fantastic dorable though and he should not have to deal with that 19:56 < sigma> I think maybe he would benefit from visiting an Alethia-class world. 19:57 < sigma> A daemon might help. 19:57 < Kel> (in canon, visiting that world would do approximately nothing to you) 19:57 < Kel> (until it eventually killed you ofc) 19:58 < sigma> In HDM canon? 19:58 < Kel> yeah 19:58 < Kel> not in Effulgent canon 19:59 < sigma> Effulgence and Incandescence have established a different rule there. 19:59 < Kel> yeah 20:00 < sigma> Zombie prevention rule. 20:00 < Kel> f 20:00 < Kel> *pff 20:00 < Teceler> pffft 20:01 < Kel> there are /ways/ to get an external soul if you /want/ one 20:01 < Kel> but it is a lot of pain 20:03 < sigma> Probably there are ways to achieve similar benefits without the risks of an external soul. 20:04 < Kel> yeah 20:04 < Kel> also, armored bears' armor doesn't really make /sense/ as a daemon to me? 20:06 < sigma> I suspect it is only metaphorically a daemon. 20:06 < Kel> mhm 20:07 < sigma> Humans are people with their own soul animals, bears are people with their own armor. 20:09 < sigma> Heh, it would be funny if leaving the world and re-entering it made bears develop external soul humans. 20:09 < Kel> pffff 20:10 < Teceler> ...XD 20:10 < Kel> lies that come true are the best lies 20:13 < Andygal> XD 20:14 * Andygal reads sexuality thread, beats head on wall. 20:15 < Teceler> [hugs] 20:15 < Kel> [hugs] 20:15 < Kel> (be careful) 20:15 * Teceler adds padding. 20:15 < Teceler> (between Andygal's head and the wall) 20:16 < sigma> Is it the kind of beats head on wall where you want to jump in and fix it, or the stay far away kind 20:16 * FacelessTired presumes Teceler is a demon 20:16 < Teceler> pffft 20:16 < Kel> hee 20:16 < Andygal> I don't even know. 20:17 < sigma> Do you know what your character would do? 20:18 < Andygal> No. 20:18 < Kel> [hug] 20:18 < Kel> pfff sigma 20:18 < Kel> that is not a subtle metaphor 20:18 < Kel> like. at all 20:19 < Teceler> if Thorn was foruming that thread would now be even more of a flamefest, so, there's that XD 20:19 < Kel> (you are Equalest right?) 20:19 < Kel> oh? 20:19 < Kel> what would Thorn be doing/saying? 20:19 < sigma> Maybe you should stay far away from the cooties then. 20:19 < Kel> XD 20:19 < Kel> godsfire is a public service, protecting the forum from being on too much fire? 20:20 < sigma> Kel, yes 20:20 < Teceler> XD 20:20 < Kel> ok 20:20 * Kel goes to google animals 20:20 < Teceler> I'm not positive about the details, but being very angry at Erocentric for upseting (slight understatement there) Tyche 20:20 < sigma> Kel, yes I'm Equalest. 20:21 < Kel> (hugs for tyche]) 20:21 < Teceler> Tyche: [is hugged] 20:21 < sigma> The Equalest I picture would have a more subtle allegory. But that's hard so I hope a blunt one is funny too. 20:21 < Kel> XD 20:22 < Kel> it is /hilarious/ 20:22 < Kel> typo? "best" 20:23 < sigma> Fixed 20:24 < Kel> BE: *has no idea what any of those are and is trying to guess from context* 20:25 < Kel> BE: Uh. /all/ of them? /how/ did the entire species wind up in one place? 20:26 < sigma> BE probably doesn't know that the animal-having people mostly don't have howler wasps either. 20:26 < Kel> nope 20:27 < sigma> (We are all grateful we do not have howler wasps) 20:27 < Kel> she is getting "stinging [phonetics for howler wasp] (connotation: thing that is a /tiny bit/ like a fozhe) 20:27 < Kel> " 20:28 < sigma> Howlaawasph. 20:28 < sigma> Fiaferett. 20:30 < sigma> (Or whatever, I don't know her available sounds) 20:30 < Kel> XD 20:30 * Kel goes to spreadsheet 20:31 < Kel> ... 20:31 < Kel> you can't use l in the middle of a word by itself 20:32 < Kel> kl, pl, bl, sl, dl, tl, or zl 20:33 < Kel> um. hauble uasp = hauble wasp (how- bleh wasp) 20:34 < Kel> fire just translates 20:34 < sigma> Bleh! Wasp. 20:34 < Kel> XD 20:34 < Kel> ... you also can't have /f/ at the beginning of a word by itself 20:36 < Kel> sfeizlete 20:36 < sigma> Stinging haubleuasps and fire parrots? 20:37 < Kel> fire sfeizlete 20:37 < Kel> (sfey-zlet-eh) 20:37 < Kel> XD 20:38 < Kel> the b is a little v-like 20:38 < Kel> so it's about halfway to hauvlewasp 20:39 < sigma> I guess Mother Starlight will handle translation so we won't get to hear about the haublewasps. 20:39 < Kel> yeah 20:39 < Kel> XD 20:39 < sigma> Can she skip it if it's funny 20:39 < Kel> she has been doing that fine so far 20:40 < Kel> for example, BE was read as having written "sun" rather than "sund (connotation: fire)" 20:41 < sigma> Yeah. 20:41 < Kel> or "klaot (connotation: water)" 20:42 < Kel> there are a lot of words that don't translate well 20:42 < Kel> the [phonetics](connotation) thing is really helpful for that 20:43 < sigma> Regrettable if klaot sounds a lot like klaon. 20:43 < sigma> Yes, sounds like a helpful convention! 20:43 < Kel> it is! 20:43 <@Sonata> Translation is seamless by default but can develop bugs if it would be funny. 20:43 < Kel> XD 20:44 < Kel> I approve that rule 20:44 < Kel> <3 20:44 < Kel> [warmfuzz at Sonata] 20:44 <@Sonata> <3 20:44 < Kel> I mean, there's enough info to sorta /guess/ most things from context 20:44 < Kel> but not a complete explanation 20:46 < Kel> this is probably the language I have put the most effort into 20:46 < Andygal> :_ 20:46 < Andygal> :) 20:46 < Kel> =) 20:46 <@kappabeta> i delight in this language it's delightful 20:46 < Kel> Eeeee! 20:46 < Kel> (purely as a result of having freewrite time in English and not knowing what I was supposed to do with it) 20:46 < Kel> I also put a lot of effort into a language for Glazed 20:47 < Kel> and then at the last minute changed the underlying grammar 20:47 < Kel> ... most of my earlier posts as Lantern don't fit my current ideas about the grammar 20:47 < Kel> I should maybe swap parts of that back in, they seemed a little more alive 20:48 < Kel> brb 20:49 < sigma> I know it means "be right back" but I always read it as "birb" 20:50 < Kel> (heeee.) 20:50 < Andygal> Kappabeta: Kirovalin is a delight. 20:50 < Kel> (oh sonata, in the Shell Bell making characters talk, there is a missing paragraph break in 2nd to last line) 20:50 <@kappabeta> <3 20:50 < Kel> (...I am bad at leaving. be right back for real this time) 20:51 <@Sonata> ah, thanks 21:08 < sigma> I have heard of a crystal gem birb named Pearl. 21:09 < Andygal> pfffft 21:22 < sigma> Back to GCI. 21:23 -!- sigma_ has joined #backstage 21:25 -!- sigma has quit 21:26 -!- sigma_ is now known as sigma 21:28 < Teceler> awaying for a little while 21:28 -!- Teceler is now known as Teeler|Away 21:31 -!- sigma_ has joined #backstage 21:31 -!- sigma has quit 21:34 -!- sigma has joined #backstage 21:35 -!- sigma_ has quit 21:41 < sigma> Suppertime. Back later! 21:41 -!- sigma has quit 21:52 -!- Napdelene is now known as Adelene 22:29 -!- Teeler|Away is now known as Teceler 22:37 < Kel> Awayed for longer than expected 22:37 < Kel> went on walk and then did a music 22:37 < Kel> need to go to sleep basically nowish 22:37 <@Adelene> Sleep well. ^^ 22:37 < Kel> waiting 5-10 for warmth though 22:37 < Kel> thanks! 22:38 < Teceler> um, welcome back, sleep well in 5-10 minutes? 22:39 < Kel> XD 22:39 < Kel> thanks 22:39 < Kel> ! 22:39 < Andygal> Hi Teceler 22:40 < Teceler> hy 22:40 < Teceler> *hey 22:50 < Kel> night 22:50 -!- Kel is now known as Kelsleep 22:50 < Teceler> good night 22:50 < Teceler> sleep well 22:50 < Kelsleep> thank you! you too! 22:50 < Teceler> thanks :) 22:54 -!- Kelsleep has quit 23:13 -!- FacelessTired has quit 23:21 -!- sigma has joined #backstage 23:21 < sigma> Hi again ! 23:22 < Andygal> Hi? 23:22 < Teceler> hello 23:22 -!- kappabeta has left #backstage 23:24 -!- Verdancy has joined #backstage 23:24 < Verdancy> Hi, everyone. 23:24 < Teceler> hello 23:24 < Verdancy> Welcome back, Andygal! 23:24 < sigma> Hi Verdancy! 23:24 < Verdancy> Hi! 23:25 < Verdancy> omg I saw your post in Biology 23:25 < Verdancy> "everything changed when the howler wasps attacked" 23:25 < Verdancy> hee 23:27 < Andygal> Hi Verdancy! 23:27 < PDV> heehee 23:27 < Verdancy> Hi! 23:27 < Verdancy> Aaaaaaaaand continued fuckery in Sexuality thread 23:27 < Verdancy> Of course 23:28 <@Sonata> (no pun intended) 23:28 < Verdancy> pffft 23:28 < Verdancy> I was actually not deliberately punning 23:32 * Andygal was refraining from commenting. 23:32 < Verdancy> pfffft 23:33 * PDV attempted to poke it in a somewhat productive way 23:33 < PDV> it didn't work much 23:33 < Verdancy> ? 23:33 < Verdancy> I don't see the thing? 23:34 < PDV> a few hours back 23:34 < Verdancy> (Also Andygal, I thought you were referring to oops-pun, did you mean sexuality thread?) 23:35 < Verdancy> Oh, right, you're Trumpet, I forgot. 23:35 < Verdancy> You know what. I'm gonna have Lizzie do a thing. A completely unrelated thing. I don't like this being the main MWF thing going on right now. 23:36 * PDV cheers 23:36 < Andygal> yay a thing! 23:36 < Teceler> does Lizzie know anything about invasive species? 23:36 < Verdancy> nope 23:36 < Verdancy> It's about potions of youth 23:36 < Teceler> figured, but that's the other current-ish thing 23:36 < Teceler> pffft 23:36 < Teceler> well that should be interesting 23:36 < Verdancy> She is VERY UPSET about other people not leaving ghosts 23:36 < Teceler> awww 23:37 < Andygal> Lizzie is a good. 23:37 < Verdancy> :) 23:38 < Teceler> yes 23:38 < Teceler> ...pffft Firewall 23:38 < Verdancy> ?? 23:38 < Andygal> ??? 23:39 < Teceler> (Firewall is going 'so, um, don't take this the wrong way, but you will still have time to make potions for us, right?' XD) 23:39 <@Adelene> pft. 23:39 < Verdancy> Lizzie is looking into mass distribution 23:39 < Verdancy> She is also VERY CONCERNED about horribly mind-control viruses 23:39 < Teceler> heh 23:40 < Teceler> that is sensible 23:40 < Verdancy> ...And she does, in fact, have the ability to fork herself 23:40 < Teceler> pfffffft 23:40 < Verdancy> ...She would look for an apprentice /first/ though, because there's no way for forks to re-merge in Goal and I don't think she'd want to do it the Eclipse way 23:43 -!- PDV is now known as PDVanished 23:47 -!- Sonata has quit 23:48 < sigma> Yes, "everything changed when the howler wasps attacked" is exactly what I was going for there. :D 23:48 < Verdancy> heee 23:51 < Verdancy> um 23:51 < Teceler> hm? 23:52 < Verdancy> I am wondering about trigger warning for emetophobia 23:52 < Verdancy> Because I was going to have Lizzie say that just thinking about people not leaving ghosts for too long makes her want to puke, but 23:53 < Verdancy> I know some people have really bad emetophobia? 23:53 < Verdancy> I think I will just leave it out. 23:53 -!- PDVanished is now known as PDV 23:58 < Andygal> Not a big problem here. 23:58 < Andygal> I don't like seeing or smelling vomit but just hearing about it is OK. 23:58 < Verdancy> I didn't think so, but 23:58 < Verdancy> Someone might read the post in the future? 23:58 < Andygal> Point. 23:58 < Andygal> Up to you I guess. 23:58 < Verdancy> I'm just going to leave it out, probably I'm being paranoid but I don't really think it's worth it --- Day changed Sat Aug 15 2015 00:07 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 00:19 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 00:21 -!- PDV is now known as PDVanished 00:23 -!- PDVanished is now known as PDV 00:23 < sigma> Hello MTC, hello Sonata 00:25 <@Sonata> hi 00:25 MotherStarlight has quit 00:25 < Andygal> whoops 00:26 <@Sonata> did I miss anything since "don't think she'd want to do it the Eclipse way'? 00:26 < Andygal> [repasted logs omitted] 00:27 <@Sonata> Thanks. 00:27 -!- MotherStarlight has joined #backstage 00:30 < Verdancy> MTC, do you exist? 00:34 -!- Eva has joined #backstage 00:34 < Andygal> Hey it's an Eva 00:34 * Eva blinks. 00:34 -!- Eva is now known as Evenstar 00:34 < Teceler> hello 00:34 < Teceler> I am about to go sleep, but hello 00:34 * Evenstar just got poked by an Alicorn to glowfic. This is like the opposite of what she ever expected. 00:34 < Andygal> Hello Evenstar 00:35 <@Adelene> hee 00:35 < Andygal> what does she want to glowfic? 00:35 < Evenstar> (tiny little squee) 00:35 < Evenstar> That may be a secret! 00:35 < Teceler> oh dear XD 00:35 < Verdancy> Ooh, secrets 00:35 < Andygal> oooooh 00:35 < sigma> Hello Evenstar! 00:35 < Verdancy> Half the secret is that it exists, you know 00:36 < Verdancy> (Also yes, hi, Evenstar) 00:36 < sigma> Hooray for new glowfic projects 00:36 * Verdancy throws confetti 00:38 -!- Evenstar has quit 00:38 < Verdancy> ... 00:38 < Verdancy> Too much confetti? 00:38 <@Adelene> pfft ^^ 00:38 < Teceler> you got confetti in Evenstar's internet, apparently :P 00:39 < Verdancy> oops 00:39 -!- Eva has joined #backstage 00:39 * Verdancy actually regrets nothing 00:39 < Verdancy> See? All fixed! 00:39 < Teceler> XD 00:40 < Verdancy> Hi Eva! 00:40 -!- Adelene has quit 00:40 < Verdancy> ummmm 00:40 < Verdancy> That one was not me. 00:41 * Teceler pokes psigenix 00:41 < Eva> (nah, it's thing-switching) 00:41 < Teceler> hm? 00:41 < Verdancy> ? 00:42 < Eva> (iPads and their lack of background processes.) 00:42 < Teceler> ah 00:42 < sigma> I see. 00:42 < Teceler> you are Eva again, btw 00:42 < Andygal> Ah OK. 00:44 < Eva> (yes, I didn't fix my defult nick) 00:44 < Teceler> ...anyway 00:44 < Teceler> I was going to go sleep 00:44 < Verdancy> right, that 00:44 < Verdancy> very important 00:44 < Teceler> XD 00:44 < Verdancy> :D 00:44 < Teceler> you might want to do that too Verdancy if I remember your timezone correctly 00:45 < Verdancy> yyyeah 00:45 < Verdancy> but I'm not sleeeeeepy 00:45 * Verdancy whines 00:45 < Teceler> [hugs] 00:45 < Verdancy> *hugs* 00:46 < Verdancy> it'll be fine 00:46 < Verdancy> I don't have to be up early tomorrow, anyway 00:46 < Teceler> that's good 00:46 < Teceler> but sleep schedules? 00:46 < Verdancy> what are thooooooooooose 00:46 < Teceler> heh 00:46 < Verdancy> but, yes, important. 00:46 -!- Adelene has joined #backstage 00:46 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Adelene] by ChanServ 00:46 < Verdancy> I will sleep soon. 00:46 < Teceler> wb Adelene 00:46 < Verdancy> Welcome back, Adelene! 00:47 < Teceler> good night all 00:47 -!- Eva has quit 00:47 <@Adelene> o/ 00:47 < Teceler> ...pffft 00:47 < Verdancy> Good night, Teceler. 00:48 -!- Eva has joined #backstage 00:48 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Asleep 00:48 * Eva flickers in and out 00:48 < Verdancy> c'est la vie 00:49 < Eva> yep. 00:49 -!- Eva is now known as Evenstar 00:52 -!- Evenstar has quit 00:53 -!- Sonata is now known as sonatasleep 00:53 < sigma> Is it a sleepy hour 00:54 < Verdancy> mhmm 00:54 -!- Sky has quit 00:55 < sigma> It's harder to tell when you're so far north it's light out. 00:56 < Verdancy> huh 00:56 < Verdancy> Does that make it hard for you to sleep, Sigma? 00:57 < Verdancy> (I am asking so I know whether or not to offer hugs) 00:58 * Verdancy offers hugs regardless, actually 00:58 < sigma> Hugs are nice regardless! 00:58 < Verdancy> They aaaaare 00:58 * Verdancy is a big fan 00:59 < sigma> I'm lucky enough to have thick enough curtains that it's not a problem for me here. 00:59 * Verdancy nods 00:59 < Verdancy> That's good. 00:59 < Andygal> I never go to bed early enough for it to be an issue here. 01:00 < Verdancy> That is. Maybe good? Unless you wish you went to bed earlier, I guess. 01:00 < Verdancy> My sleep cycle is aaaaaaaaall over the place 01:01 < Andygal> I don't wish I went to bed early enough for it to be an issue. 01:01 < Verdancy> Okay. That's good, then. 01:08 < sigma> How's your potion post going? 01:09 < Verdancy> Okay! 01:09 < Verdancy> Very entertainingly. 01:09 < Verdancy> I will probably finish it in the morning, though. 01:10 < sigma> Okay, then I won't worry about whether to stay up to respond. 01:10 < Verdancy> Oh, okay. 01:10 < sigma> :) 01:10 < Verdancy> Sleep is important. 01:10 < Verdancy> :) 01:12 < Andygal> Yes. 01:12 < Andygal> unless we find wishcoins. Then it will cease to be important in a hurry. 01:12 < Verdancy> yuuuuuuuuuuup 01:12 -!- Verdancy is now known as VerdanZzz 01:13 < VerdanZzz> I am getting very horizontal, so 01:13 < Andygal> sleep well. 01:13 < VerdanZzz> Good night, everyone. <3 01:13 < VerdanZzz> Thanks! 01:13 < sigma> Good night Verdancy! 01:17 < sigma> Andygal, will you help us wake up something other than Sexuality 01:18 < sigma> (Or whoever, Andygal looks most awake) 01:19 * Andygal is likely headed to bed shortly 01:19 < sigma> Maybe it's sleepytime for everybody. 01:21 < sigma> We may have many worlds but we don't have strong time zone diversity in each of them. 01:22 < VerdanZzz> hee 01:22 < VerdanZzz> ...no, no, i am sleeping 01:22 < VerdanZzz> zzz 01:27 < sigma> Z is for zleepytime 01:28 < VerdanZzz> mhmm 01:32 < sigma> Imagining a Forgotten Realms picture book with drowsy drow. 01:34 < sigma> Good night, MWF. 01:34 < sigma> I'm going to bed. 01:34 <@Adelene> Sleep well :) 01:35 < sigma> :) 01:35 -!- sigma has quit 02:07 -!- PDV is now known as PDZzz 02:08 -!- Eva has joined #backstage 02:08 < Eva> Alas, no Kappa 02:08 < PDZzz> nope, long since asleep 02:08 < Andygal> kappa is very in bed. 02:10 < Eva> Yep. 02:10 * Eva has been quickconversing Shell Bell/OTC 02:10 <@Adelene> :3 02:10 < PDZzz> I hear Shell is Very Interested In Coins 02:12 < Eva> Shell found an arbitrage opportunity really fast :3 02:12 < Eva> (It wasn't exactly hard, have you seen what OTC charges for Modafinil?) 02:13 < Eva> (*sighs at being bad at pricing. A crowbar is worth about half a year of life.*) 02:13 < PDZzz> it's a very nice crowbar 02:13 <@Adelene> That's more Ka being intentionally low priced, I'm sure. 02:13 < Eva> (Actually about a year) 02:14 < Eva> (True. The existence of anti-aging magic in various universes helps a lotto justify that.) 02:14 < Eva> *a lot to, hee. 02:14 < PDZzz> does the OTC run any lotteries? 02:16 -!- PDZzz has quit 02:16 < Eva> I bet they do. 02:17 < Eva> ... I bet they run lotteries where the prize is 'you are now a god'. 02:17 <@Adelene> *snicker* 02:18 < Eva> I mean, 1 Cernnous is enough godly attention to ascend most people, and that seems on about the right scale for a multiversal jackpot. 02:26 < Andygal> hahaha 02:27 -!- Eva has quit 02:50 <@Adelene> *applies kobold to sexuality thread* *hopes this doesn' cause problematic time shenanigans*
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Post by Mother Starlight on Aug 16, 2015 19:57:01 GMT
03:31 -!- Andygal has quit 07:52 -!- FacelessTired has joined #backstage 07:54 < FacelessTired> hi, 09:32 -!- FacelessTired has quit 09:39 -!- FacelessTired has joined #backstage 09:40 < FacelessTired> hi again? 09:53 -!- sigma has joined #backstage 10:05 < sigma> Good morning 10:05 < FacelessTired> morning 10:09 -!- Teceler|Asleep is now known as Teceler 10:17 < sigma> 'Morning, Teceler 10:17 < Teceler> morning 10:17 < Teceler> how are you this morning? 10:21 < sigma> Having a reasonably good morning. 10:21 < sigma> You? 10:43 -!- sigma_ has joined #backstage 10:46 -!- sigma has quit 10:48 -!- sigma_ has quit 10:48 -!- sigma has joined #backstage 10:50 * Teceler pokes sigma's connection 10:51 < sigma> It's flaky 10:52 < sigma> Right here I have my choice of slow Wi-Fi or flaky GCI, so I switch to the GCI when I want to load images 10:53 < sigma> Later today it'll just be the GCI so then I'll be popping on and off. 10:53 < Teceler> that makes sense, yeah 10:57 < sigma> Heh, euphemism 10:59 < Teceler> ? 11:00 < sigma> Joy to the world's post 11:00 <@Adelene> pft. 11:06 < sigma> I think I broke the open tags pad, undo isn't doing anything 11:06 * Teceler goes to look at 11:07 < sigma> It's all in a mixed up order 11:08 < sigma> I think it's all still there but I don't know how to tell for sure 11:08 < Teceler> oh, yeah, I see 11:08 < Teceler> it does seem to still be there, if that helps 11:09 < sigma> I could start trying to put it back 11:09 < sigma> I don't know if that would make it worse instead 11:10 < Teceler> hm, I can see past versions but not an obvious way to revert... 11:16 < sigma> Copy the old version and paste over the broken? 11:16 < sigma> It'd lose colors 11:16 < Teceler> I /think/ you mostly fixed the broken? 11:16 < Teceler> it's just colors now 11:19 < sigma> I think so too 11:20 < sigma> Well, I cleared off the wrong color 11:20 < sigma> The text should all be where it goes now 11:21 < sigma> If someone later knows better, they can fix it better. 11:27 -!- FacelessTired has quit 11:30 -!- PDV has joined #backstage 11:33 < sigma> Hi PDV 11:33 < PDV> `\o 11:38 -!- Kel has joined #backstage 11:38 < Kel> hi 11:38 < Teceler> hello PDV, hello Kel! 11:38 < Kel> Hi! 11:38 < PDV> hi Kel 11:39 < Kel> I am writing a pointless but required quiz about dress code 11:40 < Teceler> --fun [hugs] 11:40 < Kel> [hugs] 11:40 < Kel> it is annoying but not hard 12:18 -!- sigma_ has joined #backstage 12:19 < Kel> Hi! 12:20 < Teceler> ahem. [glances at userlist] [glances at Kel] 12:20 < Teceler> (wb sigma) 12:20 -!- sigma has quit 12:21 * Kel is confused? 12:21 < Kel> oh 12:28 -!- sigma has joined #backstage 12:28 -!- sigma__ has joined #backstage 12:29 -!- sigma_ has quit 12:31 -!- sigma has quit 12:31 -!- sigma has joined #backstage 12:31 < Kel> [hugs?] 12:33 -!- sigma__ has quit 12:33 -!- sigma_ has joined #backstage 12:36 -!- sigma has quit 12:36 -!- sigma_ has quit 12:55 -!- hatman has joined #backstage 12:55 -!- hatman is now known as FacelessDude 12:55 < Kel> hi 12:56 < Teceler> hello 12:56 < FacelessDude> hi 12:56 < FacelessDude> o/ 12:56 < Kel> \o 13:04 < Kel> ping? 13:05 < Teceler> pong 13:05 < Kel> k, thanks 13:05 < Kel> apparently the official dress code policy is that jeans are not allowed to have holes in them 13:06 < Teceler> pffffft 13:06 < Kel> this must make wearing them rather difficult 13:06 < FacelessDude> xD 13:06 < FacelessDude> they should be a perfect seamless sphere! 13:06 < Kel> yes 13:06 < FacelessDude> like all clothing should be 13:06 < Kel> ^truth 13:10 < Kel> brb 13:25 * FacelessDude is chatting WELL OF NIGHT 13:25 < FacelessDude> also how is everyoen doing 13:26 < Teceler> okay, you? 13:39 < Kel> bk 13:40 < Teceler> wb 13:40 < Kel> thanks 13:43 < FacelessDude> ops, I am good, Tec 13:44 < Teceler> that's good 13:49 <@sonatasleep> "Euphemism"? 13:50 <@sonatasleep> *has all of the confuse as sexthread* 13:53 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 13:53 < Teceler> hello Andygal 13:53 < Andygal> Hi 13:54 < Kel> HI! 13:56 < Kel> I have discovered that I don't know enough about how cloth is made 13:56 <@sonatasleep> ooh, learning! 13:57 < Kel> (you are still displaying as asleep) 13:57 < Kel> unfortunately, I don't know how a plant grows to turn into cloth without much intervention now 14:02 -!- VerdanZzz is now known as Verdancy 14:02 < Verdancy> Hi, everyone! 14:02 < Verdancy> I did a thing. 14:03 < Kel> Hi! 14:03 < Kel> Ooh! 14:03 < Teceler> hello! 14:03 < Kel> What is the thing? 14:03 < Verdancy> Forum thing. 14:03 < Kel> ooh 14:03 < Kel> the forum is ALIVE 14:03 * Kel goes to 14:03 < Kel> hahahahaha 14:03 < Verdancy> http://manyworlds.boards.net/thread/121/testers-wanted-potions-youth 14:03 < Verdancy> Lizzie is SO UPSET 14:04 < Kel> this reads like a morning announcement 14:04 < Verdancy> pfft heehee 14:04 < Kel> <3 <3 <3 14:04 < Verdancy> <3 <3 <3 14:04 < Teceler> Lizzie XD 14:04 < Kel> heeeeeeee 14:04 < Kel> you are an absolute delight Verdancy 14:04 <@Adelene> Sonata: JttW is using autocorect, and was refering to Erocentrism. 14:04 < Verdancy> (Sonata, this might actually belong in Trade, I was debating and I put it in News mostly because I am still ticked off about sexuality) 14:05 < Verdancy> Kel: Thank you! :D 14:05 -!- sonatasleep is now known as Sonata 14:05 <@Sonata> Probably that does belong in Trade (and Collaboration) 14:05 < Verdancy> Adelene, are you Joy? 14:05 <@Adelene> Nope. 14:05 < Kel> I think Joy is by same person as Erocentrism 14:06 < Verdancy> How do you know about autocorrect? 14:06 <@Adelene> I think so too. 14:06 < Kel> we're water is a pretty good clue 14:06 < Verdancy> Me too. 14:06 < Kel> since werewater is what Ero is 14:06 < Verdancy> Oh, okay 14:06 <@Adelene> Verdancy: They've been having autocorect-like errors in every post so far. 14:06 * Verdancy does not have a smartphone 14:06 < Verdancy> Okay. 14:06 < Kel> FacelessDude 14:07 < Verdancy> I have heard a lot about the horrors of autocorrect but I've never experienced it firsthand. 14:07 < Kel> did tama die because of the irl tama? 14:08 < Verdancy> (Thanks, Sonata) 14:08 <@Sonata> np 14:09 * Teceler has an amusing idea re: that thread 14:09 < Kel> ooh? 14:09 < Verdancy> ? 14:09 < Teceler> you will see XD 14:09 < Kel> [dun dun duuuuun] 14:10 < FacelessDude> just a minute 14:10 < FacelessDude> Kel, her death was the plan all along actually 14:10 < Teceler> (does forum translation cover what potions of youth are for, sonata?) 14:10 < Kel> okay! 14:10 < FacelessDude> but then I got distracted 14:10 < Kel> it happens 14:10 < FacelessDude> and finding out about the real tama made me proceed with it 14:11 < FacelessDude> it = the plan 14:11 < Kel> was I a force of change in the world? 14:11 < Kel> :P 14:11 < FacelessDude> xD 14:11 < FacelessDude> yes you were 14:11 < Kel> yaaay 14:12 < Verdancy> yay! 14:18 < Andygal> everyone can be a force for change in the world. 14:21 * Verdancy nods 14:21 < Verdancy> Hi, Andygal! 14:21 < Andygal> Hi! 14:22 < Verdancy> Oh, um, Adelene, about distribution 14:23 < Verdancy> Are we assuming that Lurker pointed Lizzie toward Kappacharacters for planar ally help while she is in Eclipse? 14:23 * Teceler hums. 14:23 * Verdancy saw what Teceler did there 14:23 < Teceler> /did/ you XD 14:23 < Verdancy> I diiiiiiiiid 14:24 * Kel needs to the source material sometime 14:26 < Verdancy> Okay, I need to go food 14:26 -!- Sonata has quit 14:26 -!- Verdancy is now known as Verdancy|Noms 14:26 < Teceler> food is frequently useful 14:26 < Verdancy|Noms> Mhmm 14:26 <@Adelene> Yeah, that's assumable. 14:27 < Verdancy|Noms> Okay, so people requesting potions can get them? 14:27 <@Adelene> Either directly or in the sense that she told Lizzie to contact Miles and Cordelia if she needs anything while Lurker is gone. 14:27 <@Adelene> Yup. 14:27 < Verdancy|Noms> Okay. 14:27 * Verdancy|Noms goes to food 14:27 < Verdancy|Noms> Thanks! 14:27 <@Adelene> (I mean, modulo kappa's approval, but.) 14:29 < Verdancy|Noms> I think it can wait for kappa's approval. 14:29 * Verdancy|Noms goes to actually, really, truly eat this time 14:30 < Andygal> Oh food. 14:30 < Andygal> this is a thing I should do. 14:35 -!- magic_phd has joined #backstage 14:36 < Kel> Hi! 14:36 < Teceler> hello 14:37 < magic_phd> hi 14:37 < Andygal> Hi. 14:41 < FacelessDude> hi 14:42 <@Adelene> Verdancy|Noms: (2:41:34 PM) Kappa: yes 14:56 -!- MTC has quit 14:58 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 14:58 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 15:02 < Kel> I'm off to do a fun thing 15:02 < Kel> maybe back later this evening, maybe not 15:02 -!- Kel is now known as Kelsewhere 15:07 -!- Kelsewhere has quit 15:14 <@Sonata> I don't get it, what it Teceler do there 15:14 <@Sonata> *did 17:43 < FacelessDude> So, everything is so quiet 17:43 < Andygal> *crickets* 17:43 < Teceler> huh, it is 17:45 < FacelessDude> *tumbleweed rolls by* 18:00 -!- magic_phd has quit 18:56 -!- PDV is now known as PDVanished 19:09 -!- PDVanished is now known as PDV 19:58 -!- FacelessDude has quit 20:09 -!- PDV is now known as PDVanished 20:18 -!- Evenstar has joined #backstage 20:18 * Evenstar waves 20:18 < Andygal> Hi! 20:18 < Teceler> hello Evenstar 20:21 -!- Adelene is now known as Sleepdelene 20:23 < Teceler> sleep well Adelene 20:24 < Andygal> <hugs> 20:53 -!- Sky has joined #backstage 21:14 < Teceler> hello Sky 21:14 < Andygal> Hi sky. 21:14 < Teceler> Evenstar, do you have further thoughts on muses and sending stones? 21:14 < Sky> hi 21:22 -!- sigma has joined #backstage 21:30 < Teceler> hello sigma! 21:30 < Andygal> Hey 21:32 -!- sigma_ has joined #backstage 21:33 -!- sigma has quit 21:33 < sigma_> Hi Teceler, Andygal! 21:33 -!- sigma_ is now known as sigma 21:34 * Andygal eyes sigma's connection 21:35 < sigma> It's been getting a lot of eyes lately. 21:36 < sigma> It's over GCI mobile, and stable connections aren't their core competency. 21:37 < Teceler> ...what is it doing with the eyes? [concern] 21:37 < Teceler> :P 21:39 -!- sigma_ has joined #backstage 21:39 < sigma_> gdi gci 21:39 < Teceler> <Teceler> ...what is it doing with the eyes? [concern] 21:39 < Teceler> <Teceler> :P 21:40 < sigma_> I can hope that the eyes serve to remind it to behave. 21:40 -!- sigma has quit 21:40 < Andygal> Doesn't seem to. 21:40 -!- sigma_ is now known as sigma 21:41 -!- sigma_ has joined #backstage 21:43 -!- sigma has quit 21:43 -!- sigma_ is now known as sigma 21:52 -!- sigma_ has joined #backstage 21:52 -!- sigma_ has quit 21:52 -!- sigma_ has joined #backstage 21:54 -!- sigma has quit 21:54 -!- sigma_ is now known as sigma 22:01 < Evenstar> Teceler: Not really? 22:01 < Teceler> oh, hello 22:04 < Evenstar> (lol sorry) 22:04 < Teceler> it occurred to me that Tyche should really have asked while talking to Ingram if there was anything weird-from-zir-perspective going on there XD 22:07 -!- Verdancy|Noms is now known as Verdancy 22:07 < Verdancy> Hi! 22:07 < Teceler> wb Verdancy! 22:07 < Verdancy> I was not actually fooding this whole time. 22:07 < Verdancy> Thanks! 22:07 < Teceler> I figured XD 22:08 < Verdancy> hee 22:08 < Verdancy> yeah 22:08 < Verdancy> I ate and then had to get ready for work in a hurry 22:08 < Verdancy> But now I am back! 22:08 < Verdancy> And I have a lot of forum tags. 22:08 < Teceler> yes, yes you do XD 22:08 * Verdancy is slightly aaaaa about all the forum tags 22:13 < Teceler> [hugs] 22:13 * Teceler just saw that 22:13 < Verdancy> *hugs* 22:13 < Verdancy> It is fine 22:13 < Verdancy> It's not really a bad aaaaa 22:14 < Teceler> also when we do Tyche and Lizzie's pm convo and they catch up with that Tyche will mention that if Firewall manages to reverse-engineer anything they will let her know XD 22:15 < Verdancy> Yay! 22:15 < Teceler> hm? 22:15 < Verdancy> (yay about SCIENCE!) 22:15 < Teceler> ah XD 22:16 < Teceler> at some point they are going to start poking them with alethics XD 22:17 < Verdancy> hee 22:18 -!- PDVanished is now known as PDV 22:22 -!- PDV has quit 22:37 < sigma> Sometimes it is nice to have a lot of tags. 22:42 < Verdancy> Hi, Sigma! 22:42 < sigma> Hi Verdancy! 22:43 -!- Evenstar has quit 23:09 < sigma> Are your tags intimidating? Or just sort of time consuming 23:10 < Verdancy> I am trying to brain 23:10 < Teceler> [hugs] 23:10 < Verdancy> *hugs* 23:11 < Verdancy> I am glad that so many people are interested in the thing I did! 23:11 < Verdancy> Also that the Sexuality thread is now less central 23:11 < Verdancy> *shifty eyes* 23:11 < Verdancy> It is mostly an anxiety thing 23:11 < Teceler> [more hugs] 23:11 < Verdancy> But that is okay 23:12 < Verdancy> *hugs* 23:12 < Verdancy> hugs are excellent always 23:12 < sigma> Anxiety is bothersome indeed. 23:12 < Verdancy> This is not /that bad/ of an anxiety thing, and it's something I want to do, and so I am working through it, and that is good 23:12 * Verdancy nods 23:13 < Andygal> anxiety is awful. 23:13 * Verdancy agress 23:13 < Verdancy> um 23:13 < Verdancy> *agrees 23:13 * Teceler nods. 23:21 < sigma> Do we know who plays the werewater? The tags pad doesn't seem to. 23:21 < Verdancy> nnnnnope 23:21 < Teceler> we do not 23:21 < sigma> A mystery! Ok, thanks. 23:21 < Verdancy> I would /very much like to know/, actually 23:21 * Andygal blames Evenstar. 23:21 < Verdancy> pfft 23:22 < Teceler> pretty sure it isn't Evenstar 23:22 < Verdancy> It is not Evenstar this time 23:22 < Teceler> but I could be wrong XD 23:22 < sigma> We might blame Evenstar, but I doubt she plays that one, since her characters have been doing most of the conversing. 23:23 < Verdancy> Evenstar is not rude about asexual people, too. 23:24 * Verdancy is still mad 23:24 < Teceler> [hugs] 23:24 < sigma> Her characters and Ahrotahn and a little of some other characters. 23:24 < Verdancy> *hugs* 23:24 < Verdancy> yeah 23:24 < Andygal> (hugs) 23:24 < Verdancy> *hugs* 23:25 * Andygal is also vaguely disgruntled about the rudeness about asexual people. 23:25 < Verdancy> *hugs* 23:25 < Teceler> [hugs for Andygal too] 23:25 < Andygal> Thanks. 23:26 < Teceler> we've written Tyche's reaction to that thread now, incidentally. 23:26 < Verdancy> Oh, okay 23:26 < Teceler> ? 23:26 < Verdancy> I am not sure why ? 23:27 < Teceler> ? was at the 'oh, okay' 23:27 < Verdancy> Oh, okay was just confirmation of Tyche's reaction 23:28 < sigma> But you cannot post it on the forum as Tyche is not available? 23:28 < Verdancy> ...There was really no information in that at all 23:28 < Teceler> oh, no, Tyche posted in the thread a while back 23:28 < Andygal> Tyche is forking like crazy at the moment. 23:28 < Teceler> this is not a forum reaction to that thread 23:29 < Teceler> Andygal: XD yeah 23:29 < sigma> Oh yeah. 23:30 < sigma> Is it the sort of non-forum reaction that ends up in a thread somewhere, or the kind you do just to have? 23:30 < Teceler> it's in sendingscience 23:30 -!- Xom has quit 23:31 -!- Sleepdelene is now known as Adelene 23:31 < Teceler> https://etherpad.net/p/sendingscience 23:31 < Andygal> Adelene just got summoned! 23:31 < sigma> Oh yeah, sendingscience. I wonder if I'm going to have to read that after all. 23:32 < Teceler> it is loooooooooooooooong 23:32 <@Adelene> hee. 23:32 < Andygal> but it is not longcat. 23:32 < Teceler> pffft 23:32 <@Adelene> It is several thousand words of long, yes. ^^ 23:32 < sigma> I don't mind long right now, except that long on one page confuses my device. 23:33 < Verdancy> Hi, Adelene! 23:33 < sigma> Yeah, hi! 23:33 < Verdancy> I am also okay with long. It will just take a while to read. 23:33 <@Adelene> *consults* The word count up to the petting is 20,873. 23:34 < Andygal> turning into a novella. 23:34 < Verdancy> hee 23:34 <@Adelene> ^^ 23:34 * Adelene isn't complaining ^^ 23:34 * Andygal is not complaining either. 23:35 < Teceler> XD 23:35 < Teceler> Sigma, do you want me to try to chop it up into smaller pieces? 23:36 < sigma> Is it the kind of novella that when you're done you can put it up on ao3 or similar? 23:36 <@Adelene> I can probably get google to give me the gdoc as a pdf or whatever. 23:36 < Teceler> pfffft 23:36 <@Adelene> I think there are obvious enough chapter breaks that it can be chapterified if that's wanted, too. 23:37 < Teceler> ...Adelene if we are planning to dw thread this we should probably, um. Start on that before this gets even longer :P 23:37 <@Adelene> I am not planning to do that thing. 23:37 < Teceler> okay XD 23:37 < Verdancy> oh my god that would take FOREVER 23:37 * Adelene is okay with being a format rebel. ^^ 23:37 * Verdancy advises against that thing 23:37 < Verdancy> um 23:37 < Teceler> XD 23:37 < Verdancy> the taking forever, not the rebel part 23:37 <@Adelene> ya. 23:38 < sigma> I think chapters on separate pages would be helpful. 23:38 <@Adelene> AO3 might be a good idea. I've never AO3'd before but I do have an account. 23:38 <@Adelene> I will poke at chapterification overnight. 23:39 < sigma> Sweet, thanks. 23:39 <@Adelene> (The current one will continue being all on one page, though, 'cause ctrl-f is my friend.) 23:39 < Teceler> heh 23:39 < Teceler> yeah that is useful 23:40 < Verdancy> sendingscience: the chaptering 23:40 <@Adelene> hee. 23:40 < Teceler> although why it was finding 'amusing' but not 'muses' earlier when I was - pffffft 23:40 < Teceler> when I was searching for that bit I don't know 23:40 < Verdancy> :D 23:41 -!- Sky has quit 23:42 <@Sonata> because someone will probably be confused if I don't explain: I just deleted the forwarding link from where the potions of youth thread used to be 23:42 < Verdancy> okay 23:42 < Verdancy> thanks 23:42 < Teceler> ...did that have side effects? 23:42 < Verdancy> ... 23:42 * Verdancy sighs 23:42 <@Sonata> not really 23:42 < Verdancy> Sexuality thread is on the front page again 23:42 <@Sonata> oh, yeah, that 23:43 < Teceler> [hugs for Verdancy] 23:43 < Verdancy> oh well 23:43 < Verdancy> *hugs* 23:43 < Verdancy> it is not really a big deal 23:44 * Teceler contemplates what could go in the relevant subforum 23:44 < Verdancy> aww 23:44 < Verdancy> <3 23:44 * Sonata posts 23:45 < Verdancy> aww 23:45 < Verdancy> Thanks, Sonata. 23:45 < Verdancy> <3 23:46 < Andygal> <3 --- Day changed Sun Aug 16 2015 00:08 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 00:26 < Teceler> I need to go sleep 00:26 <@Adelene> Sleep well ^^ 00:26 < Andygal> sleep well! 00:26 < Teceler> thanks :) 00:28 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Asleep 00:28 < sigma> Proposed discussion question - do you suppose the MWF could use more vendors? 00:28 < Andygal> what sort? 00:28 -!- Teceler|Asleep is now known as Teceler 00:28 < Teceler> do not make me write the Bazaar XD 00:29 < Andygal> ... 00:29 < Teceler> :P 00:29 < Teceler> anyway sleep 00:30 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Asleep 00:30 < Verdancy> Good night, Teceler. 00:30 < Andygal> sleep is good. 00:30 * Teceler|Asleep (good night, all) 00:31 < sigma> I started thinking about it because of the Customer Reviews thread. Pondering what could get more mixed reviews (while still being fun play). 00:31 < Verdancy> I am out of brain so it is sleeptime 00:31 < Teceler|Asleep> (sleep well Verdancy) 00:32 < Verdancy> I will have to finish tag in the morning 00:32 * Teceler|Asleep is bad at going to sleep, apparently 00:32 < Verdancy> Good night, everyone. <3 00:32 * Teceler|Asleep applies hugs. 00:32 < Andygal> goodnight! 00:32 -!- Verdancy is now known as VerdanZzz 00:32 * VerdanZzz collects hugs, snuggles in hugpile 00:32 < VerdanZzz> *hugs* 00:33 < Andygal> *hugs* 00:33 < VerdanZzz> hugpile! 00:33 < VerdanZzz> *hugs* 00:33 * VerdanZzz is very hugged 00:33 * VerdanZzz goes to sleep now. zzz 00:35 < sigma> One behavior I'm imagining is a vendor with a 30% chance to send you something else instead. 00:37 < sigma> I don't know what people would need to buy. The OTC's kind of a one-stop shop for anything not otherwise covered. 00:38 < Andygal> my first thought was not p-13 and also technically covered by the OTC. 00:40 <@Sonata> haha 00:40 <@Sonata> ('Instead of chair, package contained bobcat. A++ would buy again.') 00:40 < sigma> I think the OTC doesn't generally sell livestock or other alive things. 00:42 < sigma> So that's a niche, particularly if you have multiversally rare or useful livestock (golden goose, babelfish) 00:45 < sigma> Conflict hook if they carry something somebody else doesn't consider acceptable livestock. 00:46 < sigma> Hmm, erocentrism seems poised to offer sexual services to interested forumgoers. 00:48 < sigma> If sex worlds like Chaeral don't just crash that market. 00:59 <@Sonata> It occurs to me that with the OTC currencies work, an OTC sex coin would necessarily be a rape coin. 00:59 <@Sonata> because, compare Cernnuous 00:59 <@Sonata> so, uh, someone else should probably cover that. 01:00 < sigma> I can compare Izikiel. I don't know how to compare Cernnuous. 01:03 < sigma> Sexual services could presumably be offered via the OTC's super broad Otherworldly Contract line, but that's irregular. 01:06 < sigma> Aren't Cernnuous backed by gods who professionally fill Cernnuous requests? 01:08 < sigma> I think I'm lost. 01:13 <@Sonata> Minting Cernnuous creates an unbreakable contract for the service. Gods sacrifice their freedom. 01:13 <@Sonata> I guess I could imagine an Izikiel-style sexcoin, quietly arranging coincidences. 01:15 < sigma> That one could end up pretty rapey too, depending on its favored circumstances, but it might not be. 01:16 < sigma> But on the whole sex tends not to be as interchangeable as OTC coins and products. Yeah. 01:17 < Andygal> I'd imagine if the OTC got people raped a lot, the OTC would have been sued. 01:17 < Andygal> repeatedly. 01:19 < Andygal> probably in universes with a Joker in them,a sexcoin would arrange for you to run into the Joker. XD 01:20 < sigma> Heh. Some Jokers might work better than others for that. 01:21 -!- PDV has joined #backstage 01:24 < sigma> Hi PDV 01:24 * PDV waves 01:25 < sigma> Welcome to late night on the MWF. 01:27 < PDV> how is it in your part of the late night? 01:27 < Andygal> Late. 01:29 < sigma> Not quite dark yet. 01:35 < sigma> Quiet too. 02:02 -!- sigma has quit 02:11 -!- PDV is now known as PDVanished 02:14 -!- PDVanished is now known as PDV 02:50 -!- PDV is now known as PDZzzz 02:58 -!- PDZzzz is now known as PDZzzzanished
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Post by Mother Starlight on Aug 17, 2015 17:46:25 GMT
03:32 -!- Andygal has quit 05:51 -!- VerdanZzz has quit 09:56 -!- Teceler|Asleep is now known as Teceler 09:57 <@Adelene> o/ 09:57 < Teceler> hello 09:57 <@Adelene> hi :) 10:39 < Teceler> ping 10:41 -!- FacelessTired has joined #backstage 10:41 < Teceler> hello Faceless 10:41 < FacelessTired> hello Teceler 10:42 < Teceler> I may be about to vanish briefly, we may have to restart the router here 10:42 < FacelessTired> huh 10:42 < FacelessTired> otherwise 10:42 < FacelessTired> how are things? 10:42 < Teceler> okay 10:49 -!- Teceler has quit 10:53 -!- Teceler has joined #backstage 10:54 < Teceler> back 10:55 < FacelessTired> wiblles 10:56 < Teceler> thanks :) 11:16 -!- FacelessTired has quit 11:29 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 11:29 < Andygal> Hi. 11:29 < Teceler> hello 11:29 -!- PDZzzzanished is now known as PDZzzz 11:30 -!- PDZzzz is now known as PDV 12:55 -!- FacelessTired has joined #backstage 12:55 < FacelessTired> Salutations 12:55 < Teceler> hello 12:57 < FacelessTired> things: how are they? 12:57 < Andygal> Hi. --- Log closed Sun Aug 16 13:32:47 2015 --- Log opened Sun Aug 16 13:43:30 2015 13:43 -!- MotherStarlight has joined #backstage 13:43 -!- Irssi: #backstage: Total of 8 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 7 normal] 13:43 -!- mode/#backstage [+o MotherStarlight] by ChanServ 13:43 -!- Irssi: Join to #backstage was synced in 22 secs 13:44 -!- mode/#backstage [-o MotherStarlight] by MotherStarlight 13:47 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 13:47 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 13:48 -!- Kel has joined #backstage 13:48 < Kel> Hi! 13:49 < Teceler> hello! 13:49 < Teceler> (sonata, nothing happened while MS was down I think) 13:49 < Kel> I got to cuddle a rat! 13:49 < Kel> He was very soft 13:52 < Kel> oops brb breakfast 13:53 < Kel> (it is 1 PM though?) 13:53 < Kel> (arg time) 13:53 < FacelessTired> a rat? 14:09 < Kel> bk 14:09 < Teceler> wb 14:09 < Kel> yes! 14:09 < Kel> thanks! 14:10 < Kel> he was a pet rat 14:13 < FacelessTired> ah, ok 14:13 < Kel> his name is Emmet! 14:26 -!- MTC has quit 14:49 -!- PDV is now known as PDVanished 15:01 -!- PDVanished is now known as PDV 15:04 < FacelessTired> hi PDV o/ 15:05 < PDV> `\o 15:05 < Kel> hi! 15:05 < PDV> hallo 15:05 < Teceler> hello 15:05 < FacelessTired> PDV, how is that Theo character? 15:06 < PDV> he has a face! 15:06 < PDV> https://fairshot.dreamwidth.org/icons 15:07 < Kel> congratulations! 15:07 < Kel> that is in fact a face! 15:07 < FacelessTired> yay, young peter hale 15:07 < PDV> he is basically just waiting around for me to write a short 'Hi this is Theo' on alicorn's forum and then sandbox 15:07 < Kel> yay! 15:07 < PDV> I have never seen Teen Wolf but his face was good. 15:07 < PDV> And the adult version was reasonably good as well if I want to do an older version 15:07 < FacelessTired> Generally Peter Hale is the character that people most want to punch in the face 15:07 < FacelessTired> if not worse 15:08 < PDV> yeah, I read a bit about the character 15:08 < PDV> and Theo != Peter Hale at all. but faces 15:08 < FacelessTired> one of my characters is facecast as the same actor as the adult peter hale, but I never used 15:09 < FacelessTired> it is hard to find a better "deserves to be punched" face than Peter Hale 15:09 < PDV> heeheehee 15:09 < FacelessTired> What you said about Theo it sounded like he occassionaly deserved a punch? 15:22 < FacelessTired> hello? 15:22 < Teceler> hello 15:23 < Kel> hi? 15:23 < FacelessTired> just checking 15:23 < PDV> (was that to me? sorry, went AFK) 15:23 < FacelessTired> PDV, partially 15:23 < PDV> and yes, Theo will sometimes deserve face-punching 15:24 < PDV> probably not maximum-punchability-deserving 15:24 < FacelessTired> fair point 15:25 < FacelessTired> just like, peaks of punchability, as opposed to a steady flow of punchability 15:25 < FacelessTired> lets draw a graph about it! 15:25 < Teceler> pffft 15:25 * Kel recommends not punching people in the face 15:25 < PDV> heehee 15:27 < FacelessTired> Curiosity, because the idea of someone confusing Theo with my character is amusing: How would Theo react to a woman misidentifying him and giving a nice punch in the face? 15:28 -!- Kel has quit 16:00 -!- Kel-tablet has joined #backstage 16:00 < Kel-tablet> Trying to install splash id not going well 16:00 < Teceler> that doesn't sound good 16:02 < FacelessTired> what is happening? 16:02 < Kel-tablet> Don't know 16:03 < Kel-tablet> Not working though 16:03 < Kel-tablet> Keeps needing reboot and send Anatol 16:03 < Kel-tablet> Email 16:07 -!- Kel-tablet has quit 16:07 -!- Keltavlet has joined #backstage 16:07 < Keltavlet> Sorry accidental refresh 16:07 < Keltavlet> Need to do something else now 16:07 < Teceler> [hugs] 16:08 < Keltavlet> Hugs 16:15 -!- Keltavlet is now known as Kel-tablet 16:29 -!- sigma has joined #backstage 16:29 < Teceler> hello sigma 16:29 < sigma> Hello 16:30 -!- Kel-tablet has quit 16:30 < sigma> I'm figuring out if I can draw psychopomp Tama 16:30 < sigma> Animals are hard when your style's so adapted to people 16:31 < sigma> To humans 16:32 < sigma> How's backstage today? 16:32 < FacelessTired> oooh, sigma 16:32 < FacelessTired> but why Tama? 16:33 < FacelessTired> she looks pretty much like real life Tama tbh 16:33 < FacelessTired> with her fancy hat and cape 16:33 -!- Kel has joined #backstage 16:33 < Kel> join #godsfire 16:33 < Kel> arg 16:33 < sigma> Because of recent introduction post 16:33 < Teceler> [hugs] 16:34 < FacelessTired> I mean, what is interesting about her? or it is just general desire to draw a psychocomp cat? 16:34 < sigma> Just measuretwice drawin' stuff. 16:35 < FacelessTired> ah 16:35 < Kel> what? 16:36 < Kel> oh the forum is alive 16:36 < FacelessTired> Sigma was trying to draw Tama 16:39 < Teceler> I pasted Kel logs 16:39 < Kel> ... augh Sexuality thread 16:39 < FacelessTired> that makes it sound like you turned wooden logs into a paste 16:39 < Kel> hee 16:40 < Teceler> [hugs] 16:40 < Kel> [hugs] 16:41 < sigma> Is the sexuality thread being a problem 16:41 < Kel> yes 16:41 < sigma> That's not good 16:42 < Kel> "Yeah I think person by person is the right way top! I always use hypnotism because you can't hypnotize somebody to do something they don't want to do. That way you're sure!" 16:42 < Teceler> characters: [screaming] 16:43 < sigma> It's 16:43 < sigma> Kinda rapey 16:44 < sigma> (Is that a bad adjective, should I avoid that adjective?) 16:45 * Teceler doesn't know 16:45 < Kel> I don't know 16:46 < Kel> but that is definitely not how you do consent 16:46 < sigma> It is not! 16:46 < Teceler> it really, really isn't 16:49 < sigma> Will it be necessary to dissuade this bat-avatared person from their course 16:50 < Teceler> Tyche is not posting in that thread any more for very good reasons 16:50 < Kel> ... that is enough of a thing that Janice needs to post 16:50 < Kel> arg 16:50 < Teceler> but if ze sees that ze may ask someone to explain that to them 16:50 < Teceler> [hugs for Kel] [hugs for Janice] 16:51 < Kel> [hugs] [Janice is hugged] 16:51 < Kel> like. Night Vale has hypnotism 16:51 < Teceler> I thought it might 16:51 < Kel> I'm pretty sure it's been mentioned at some point 16:51 < Kel> although I"m not going to check rn 16:51 < Kel> and there's a lot of other mind-control stuff 16:52 -!- FacelessTired has quit 17:14 < sigma> Cat: drawn. 17:15 < PDV> "First, draw the cat. Second, be the forum." 17:15 < PDV> (not sure why that popped into my head but it did) 17:15 < Kel> aw 17:15 < Kel> *aww 17:15 < Kel> yay cat 17:15 < Teceler> aww 17:19 < sigma> First measuretwice, second Mother Starlight? 17:19 < PDV> It was a running joke in MSPA 17:19 < PDV> but yes 17:19 < PDV> that too 17:31 < Kel> Janicetagged 17:32 < Kel> need to go walk neighbors' dog 17:32 -!- Kel is now known as Kelsewhere 17:45 < Andygal> Anda has unexpectedly decided to post about consent and altered mental states. 17:49 < sigma> Hooray good consent tips! 17:57 < sigma> Maybe then JoyToTheWorld will behave better. 18:04 -!- FacelessDude has joined #backstage 18:05 < FacelessDude> hi 18:05 < Teceler> hello 18:24 < FacelessDude> Whats up? 18:24 < Andygal> Not much. 18:24 < Teceler> quiet at the moment, as you might have observed 18:30 < Teceler> (Andygal, Kelsewhere when you get back, you have a pm :P) 18:30 < Andygal> awww Tyche. 18:31 < Teceler> :) 18:31 < Teceler> Tyche should not even be reading that thread 18:32 < Andygal> <result of hug for Tyche> 18:34 < sigma> Sometimes some thread is just not a good place for you. 18:35 < Andygal> Yes. 18:35 < Teceler> yeah 18:35 < Andygal> and sometimes, some thread is like a terrible horrible train wreck. 18:35 < Teceler> /yeah/ 18:36 < sigma> Cooties no longer seems to cover it. 18:38 < sigma> ...probably shouldn't illustrate any of the more accurate metaphors tho. 18:38 < Andygal> draw a train wreck! 18:38 < Teceler> pffft 18:41 -!- Kelsewhere is now known as Kel 18:41 < Kel> hahaha 18:41 < Kel> yeah 18:41 < Teceler> wb Kel! 18:42 < Andygal> Hi Kel. 18:42 < Kel> thanks! 18:42 < Kel> segfaults? 18:43 < Teceler> first thing that came to mind XD 18:43 < Teceler> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segmentation_fault 18:43 < Kel> heee 18:43 < Teceler> hm? 18:44 < Andygal> heh, a computer thing, thought so. 18:50 < Kel> brb 18:53 < Kel> bk 18:53 < Teceler> wb 18:53 < Kel> thx! 19:01 -!- Kel is now known as Kelsupper 19:03 < Teceler> enjoy 19:03 < Andygal> <3 19:23 <@Sonata> (Leekath: *screaming*) 19:23 < Teceler> ? 19:23 < Andygal> ? 19:23 <@Sonata> sexthread 19:24 < Teceler> oh dear 19:24 * Teceler goes to look 19:24 < Andygal> ... 19:25 < Teceler> ... 19:25 < Teceler> that explains the bat avatar 19:26 < FacelessDude> Wait what??? 19:26 <@Sonata> JttW appears to be a vampire. 19:29 < sigma> Is it a sleepy bat? Bats don't usually sleep on beds, do they? 19:30 <@Sonata> I don't know. I initially assumed it was a reindeer until people pointed out it was a bat. 19:31 < Andygal> ... 19:31 <@Sonata> I mean, the username and the fuzzy pointy snout and I didn't bother to look carefully 19:31 <@Sonata> baby reindeer don't have antlers, right? 19:32 < Teceler> btw, Sonata, I don't think MS currently has a way to know this, but Tyche is exceedingly distressed at that thread 19:32 <@Sonata> hmmm 19:34 -!- Kelsupper is now known as Kel 19:35 < Teceler> wb Kel 19:35 < Kel> I thought you knew they were a bat because of the discussion of santabats 19:35 < Kel> thanks! 19:36 <@Adelene> I think this is crossing a line, OOCly. Like, even just statistically speaking we probably have at least one survivor of the relevant class of assault around here, and even if we somehow don't yet there's every chance we will eventually, sprining triggery stuff on people like that is not cool. 19:37 < Andygal> sonata should send an OOC PM to JTTW? 19:38 <@Sonata> I mean, I figured it out sooner than just now 19:38 < Kel> ok 19:38 <@Sonata> I'll see what I can do about triggers. 19:39 < Andygal> maybe warrents a backstage thread re: triggers? 19:41 * Sonata considers a new separate board for threads that people might want to avoid 19:41 * Sonata tries to think of a better name for it than The Shithole 19:41 <@Adelene> I don't think that's really a solution to the problem. 19:42 <@Adelene> Like - if you have a character who's a fixer, they're not going to ignore a thread just because of it being there. 19:42 <@Adelene> Not if it's still ICly happening. 19:43 <@Sonata> mmm. 19:43 < Teceler> yeah, like, Tyche feels icly like ze needs to read all the things, because there might be something important in them, this doesn't fix that 19:45 <@Sonata> but I'm not convinced that removing the things is a good solution 19:45 <@Sonata> because, like 19:45 < Teceler> (but it's getting closer and closer to the point where ze actively dreads checking on the forum. Especially since that thread is most of the activity at the moment) 19:45 < Teceler> yeah 19:46 <@Sonata> if IC policy, then blocking the info doesn't make things go away, and also dignity of risk. 19:46 <@Sonata> if OOC policy... am still trying to think through ways in which is nonparallel 19:46 <@Sonata> *the ways 19:47 <@Adelene> OOC this is if nothing else /really not fun/. Like, rude, introducing something that should rightly be taken as an emergency when people are trying to do other plots. 19:48 <@Sonata> that's a good point 19:48 <@Adelene> The real world isn't always nice about that but making the players feel helpless makes this, just, not a fun place to be. 19:49 <@Adelene> And it needs to be, this is recreational stuff. 19:49 < sigma> Ok, in the name of fixing the forum I'd better fess. I've been playing jttw and I think I did it wrong. 19:49 < Teceler> [hugs] 19:49 < Kel> [hugs] 19:49 < Teceler> uh 19:49 < Andygal> (hugs for Adelene) 19:49 <@Sonata> but on the other hand telling people not to do plots seems also wrong, if less so 19:49 < Kel> I am confused 19:49 < Kel> but yes that also 19:49 < Teceler> ...what were you /trying/ to do? 19:50 <@Adelene> I would be a lot more okay with this if there had been backstage coordination first. 19:50 -!- Kel is now known as Kelurking 19:50 <@Adelene> And an option to go 'no, we aren't in a place to handle this right now'. 19:51 <@Adelene> (With Erocentrism, too, though less so and apparently that was much less predictable.) 19:52 <@Sonata> augh 19:52 <@Sonata> on the one hand it is clearly needed to do something 19:53 <@Adelene> *hugs Sonata* 19:53 < Andygal> (hugs for everyone) 19:53 < Teceler> [hugs for Sonata] 19:53 <@Sonata> on the other hand, everything i can think of to do, amounts to putting up barriers to entry 19:54 <@Sonata> people want te join in and we go 'here, fill out an application, and we'll ~judge~ whether your proposal is ~good enough~' 19:54 <@Sonata> and that's terrible but /not/ doing that is /also terrible/ 19:54 < Teceler> mm, just encouraging more ooc plot coordination might help? 19:55 <@Sonata> worth trying 19:55 <@Adelene> *nod* 19:56 <@Adelene> List of themes to check before introducing would also be a good idea. 19:56 < Andygal> don't think we need an application form, just a notice about triggers that should probably be used with caution. 19:56 <@Adelene> Yeah. 19:56 < Teceler> Sonata, can MS put a trigger warning on that thread, maybe? that helps some with the immediate issue, at least 19:57 < Teceler> (because then at least people aren't /surprised/ with it) 19:57 < Teceler> (icly or oocly) 19:57 <@Sonata> Sure. 19:57 < Andygal> yeah that would be a good first step. 19:58 < sigma> Some of the things I was trying for include: -Give that damned thread something other than arguing about whether they're arguing. -Provide a contrastive case to erocentrism. -Provide erocentrism with a chance to spot "here's what your thing looks like to people". -Provide an antagonist for people to vanquish or reform. -Provide an antagonist with more nuance than "bad for bad's sake". 19:58 < sigma> I think the hypnotism was an unequivocal mistake. 19:59 < Teceler> ...yeah, ooc coordination would have been helpful there 19:59 <@Adelene> *nod* 19:59 <@Adelene> How possible is it to make that just not have happened? 19:59 <@Adelene> The hypnotism bit? 19:59 < Andygal> people responded to the original post. 20:00 < Andygal> which makes unhappening it rather tricky. 20:00 <@Adelene> Those can go too, I think. Needs some author coordination, but I suspect everyone will agree there. 20:01 < sigma> I'm on board for unhappening it. 20:01 <@Sonata> I'm willing to participate in unhappening. 20:01 <@Sonata> actually 20:02 <@Sonata> if everyone involved gives the okay, I can just move all the involved posts backstage 20:02 < Teceler> I think the main problem with unhappening it is we don't have erocentrism's author to ask 20:03 < Andygal> do it anyway and send Erocentrism an OOC PM explaining why? 20:04 < Teceler> asked, Kel, she says she's fine with having it unhappened 20:04 < Teceler> *asked Kel 20:04 < sigma> Lesson learned 1: consult backstage (IRC or forum) before adding any new common trigger subjects to a thread. Also before stepping up any existing trigger subjects. 20:05 <@Adelene> *hugs Sigma* 20:05 < Andygal> (hugs for everyone) 20:05 < Teceler> [hugs for everyone, yes] 20:05 < sigma> *hugs.* 20:06 <@Adelene> Novelty and QH were done well, at least? 20:06 < Teceler> Sonata, it might be worth ooc-pming erocentrism to see if they're online to ask? 20:06 <@Sonata> Already done. 20:06 < Teceler> okay 20:07 < sigma> Lesson learned 2: I for one will consult backstage before introducing any character with antagonist intent. I think I'm about 1 for 3 on that if you count QH and I didn't even have her antagonist plot in mind when I introduced her. 20:07 <@Sonata> should I just move now, or wait for ero? 20:09 < Teceler> maybe move it to the backstage waiting area if they don't respond soon? more people might respond elsewise 20:09 < sigma> (Though Equalest hasn't wrecked anything, he just hasn't really gone anywhere, largely 'cause he's hard to write) 20:10 <@Sonata> ok 20:11 <@Sonata> moved 20:12 < sigma> Preference on "I write a replacement post, now that jttw doesn't have hypnotism" vs "I drop jttw entirely" vs anything I haven't thought of? 20:13 < Andygal> what were you thinking of as a replacement? 20:14 < Teceler> probably hold off on a replacement post until we hear from erocentrism 20:14 < Teceler> if you decide on that 20:15 < sigma> Well a quick start would be restoring "Yeah I think person by person is the right way top!" Without the rest of the post. 20:19 < sigma> That seems sort of pointless on its own. I think I'll hold off at least for now. 20:19 <@Sonata> draft of new rule: "Before introducing a character or plot that touches on issues that may be triggering, please talk to people about it OOC first, either on the Backstage board or in IRC." 20:20 <@Sonata> ...maybe 'that involves potentially-triggering issues' 20:22 < Teceler> that sounds good 20:39 < sigma> I don't have a lesson learned 3 yet. 20:40 -!- Kelurking is now known as Kel 20:41 -!- skyimpostor has joined #backstage 20:41 < sigma> Welcome back, Kel. 20:41 < sigma> Welcome... Sky? 20:41 < Kel> ????? 20:42 < Andygal> ?? 20:42 * Kel is confuse 20:42 < Teceler> ... 20:42 -!- skyimpostor has quit 20:42 < Kel> wait no come back sorry 20:42 -!- skysky has joined #backstage 20:42 < Teceler> pfffft 20:42 < Kel> hi! 20:43 * Kel is still confused 20:43 < Kel> but hi! 20:43 < skysky> hello 20:43 < Kel> you are two skies? 20:43 < Andygal> what the f just happened? 20:43 < Kel> ... are you diskiesed? 20:44 < skysky> i am sky now. I have mostly fixed my name. 20:44 < Kel> ok 20:44 < Kel> hi sky! 20:44 < skysky> hihi 20:45 < Kel> heeeee 20:45 < Kel> hihi skysky 20:45 < Kel> [warmfuzz at] 20:45 < skysky> [warmfuzz] 20:51 < sigma> Hmm, would describing howler wasps be an unpleasant thing for people to find on the forum? They're hazardous, non-cute part-insect creatures. 20:52 < sigma> I can skip it. 20:52 < Teceler> ...if it's an in-depth description put it behind a spoiler-tag with a warning? 20:52 < Andygal> Yeah. 20:55 < sigma> I'm not attached to describing them, or to some particular description, it just seems like the next thing for the Biology thread. 20:55 < Kel> it seems reasonable yeah 20:55 < sigma> Also it offers a segue into predators of aranea if we like. 20:55 < Kel> something along lines of 'giant stinigng insect' ? 20:56 < Kel> '[which is also a thinly veiled metaphor]'? 20:57 < Kel> arg I need to finish th ebe thing 20:59 -!- Verdancy has joined #backstage 20:59 < Verdancy> Hi, everyone. 21:00 <@Sonata> hi 21:00 < Kel> hi! 21:00 < Andygal> Hi. 21:00 < Verdancy> I tagged back finally 21:00 < Teceler> hello! 21:00 < skysky> hello 21:00 < Kel> ooh at what thing? 21:00 < Verdancy> potions of youth thread 21:00 -!- PDV is now known as PDVanished 21:00 < Verdancy> Also I saw the sexuality thread and seriously, what the everliving fuck 21:01 < Teceler> it may actually be being unhappened 21:01 < Kel> [hug?] 21:01 < Verdancy> *hugs* 21:01 < Teceler> [hug] 21:01 < Kel> [hug] 21:01 < Verdancy> well, um, I posted as Lizzie and called them ethics-impoverished cabbages 21:01 < Verdancy> *hugs* 21:01 <@Adelene> pft ^^ 21:01 < Kel> can unhappen at same time as others? 21:02 < Verdancy> ...i guess it might have to unhappen 21:02 * Verdancy will miss the insult 21:02 < Verdancy> but w/e 21:02 < Teceler> Verdancy: yay finally tag. Um, did 21:02 < Verdancy> ? 21:02 < Kel> the sacrifice is yes 21:03 < Kel> oh 21:03 < Verdancy> ?? 21:03 < Kel> BE wants potion testing 21:03 < Kel> hee zombies 21:03 < Verdancy> Lizzie will happily provide samples to whoever has a shot at doing something helpful 21:03 < Kel> worried that possibly non-edible non-working 21:04 < Teceler> throwing potions at people works! so! 21:04 < Teceler> :P 21:04 < Kel> and also ooc is 21:04 < Kel> what? 21:04 < Kel> how does throwing? 21:04 < sigma> Does the insult reply belong to the (moved) unhappened posts, or to the posts still there? 21:04 < Teceler> magic 21:04 < Kel> huh 21:05 < Kel> oh no there was at some point a cowplant thing I think my tag 21:06 < Verdancy> oh, that 21:06 < Kel> sorry 21:06 < Verdancy> Lizzie was going to murder a cowplant and send BE the body 21:06 < Teceler> XD 21:06 < Kel> cowplants are not people right? 21:06 < Teceler> aren't mini-cowplants a thing? 21:06 < Verdancy> no, no 21:06 < Verdancy> I am being silly 21:06 < Kel> smol cowplants? 21:06 < Kel> ok 21:06 < Verdancy> and yes, it is a mini-cowplant 21:07 < Kel> yes but is it smol? 21:08 < Andygal> Cowplants are not people. 21:09 < Kel> yeah 21:09 < Kel> nonpeople can still smol though? 21:09 < Andygal> it is smol and will take your hand off if you do not feed it. 21:09 < Kel> yay 21:10 < Kel> wait 21:10 < Kel> hm 21:10 <@Adelene> *chuckles* 21:10 < sigma> Cowplants can be safely sacrificed without homicide then. 21:13 < Kel> brb sweater 21:13 < sigma> Does Lizzie have computers and internets and stuff? 21:14 < Verdancy> Lizzie has computers. There is a baby internet. Also, measuretwice is adorable. 21:14 < Verdancy> The internet is just in her one pocket universe, so there's not really enough people to be a proper internet 21:15 < Kel> bk 21:15 < Verdancy> but it does sort of exist 21:15 < Kel> yay internet 21:15 < Teceler> wb Kel 21:15 < Kel> thx 21:15 < Verdancy> oh, wb 21:15 < Teceler> I am going to go disappear for hopefully only half an hour 21:15 < Kel> besides verdancy re: cowplant and evenstar re: ohgod all the plants 21:16 < Kel> ok 21:16 < Verdancy> Good luck? 21:16 < Andygal> Verdancy: are Goal zombies scarier then Sims 3 standard zombies? 21:16 < Verdancy> nnnnot really 21:16 < Kel> who else do I owe forumtags to? 21:16 < Teceler> Lizzie just wants to unzombie them? XD 21:16 < Verdancy> Lizzie mostly stands at a window and chucks cure elixirs at them 21:16 < Kel> aww 21:16 < Kel> that is nice 21:16 < Kel> lizzie is a good egg 21:16 < Teceler> heh 21:16 < Andygal> awww. 21:16 < Kel> gosh 21:16 < Teceler> I mean, they fix on their own! but aww 21:17 < Verdancy> (thanks( 21:17 < Verdancy> *) 21:17 < Andygal> Sims 3 zombies are pathetic and annoying. 21:17 < Verdancy> yyyeah, p. much 21:17 < Kel> are there the kind that plants fix? 21:17 < Kel> er 21:17 < Kel> the sun ones that shoot plants 21:18 < Kel> only that is apparently murder if they are people 21:18 < Kel> so maybe not that 21:18 < Verdancy> they are not /quite/ as pathetic as Sims 3 ones in that you cannot cancel the "attacked by zombie" action 21:18 < Verdancy> Peashooters are a thing? 21:18 < Verdancy> As in, plants that shoot giant peas at zombies 21:18 < Kel> yeah those 21:18 < Kel> the game one 21:18 < Andygal> there is a thing in the Store that can be bought for real money that shoots things that cure the zombies or drive them off or whatever. 21:18 < Verdancy> that is the peashooter 21:18 < Kel> for real money? 21:18 < Kel> like 21:18 < Verdancy> I haven't tried it 21:19 < Kel> money that exists outsid ethe game? 21:19 < Andygal> Yes. 21:19 < Verdancy> If someone else wants to try it they do not necessarily need real money 21:19 < Kel> huh 21:19 < Verdancy> *shifty eyes* 21:19 < Andygal> *snicker* 21:19 < Kel> ? 21:19 < Kel> oh 21:19 < Kel> ok 21:19 < Kel> hee 21:19 * Verdancy sings softly, "Oh come all ye scallywags, sing along with me..." 21:20 * Kel runs to goole 21:20 < Andygal> Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum. 21:20 < Verdancy> hee 21:20 < Kel> oh 21:20 < Kel> is pirates? 21:20 < Verdancy> yes 21:21 < Kel> heave 'em over and out of sight 21:21 < Verdancy> Homestuck pirates, to be specific 21:21 < Verdancy> pffft 21:21 < Kel> with a yo-heave-ho and a fare-ye-well 21:21 < Verdancy> XD 21:21 < Kel> A sudden plunge in a sullen swell 21:22 < Kel> ten fathoms dee pon the road too hell --- 21:22 < Kel> *deep on 21:22 < Kel> *to 21:22 < Kel> arg 21:22 < Verdancy> :D 21:22 < Verdancy> Kel you are a precious cinnamon roll 21:22 < Kel> eee 21:22 < Kel> eeeeeee 21:22 < Andygal> <3 21:22 < Kel> eeee 21:22 < Verdancy> <3 21:22 < Kel> thank you 21:23 < Kel> [warmfuzz at[ 21:23 < Verdancy> <3 you're welcome 21:23 < Kel> er 21:23 < Kel> *] 21:23 < Kel> <3 21:23 < Verdancy> *warmfuzz* 21:23 < Verdancy> <3 21:23 * Kel sends floppy-sweater-vibes 21:23 < Verdancy> awww 21:28 -!- mode/#backstage [+v MotherStarlight] by Sonata 21:31 < Kel> oh gosh oh gosh 21:31 < Kel> m2 21:31 < Kel> oh nooo 21:31 -!- Evenstar has joined #backstage 21:31 < Kel> Hi! 21:31 < Andygal> Hi Evenstar 21:31 < Kel> I still owe you the thing sorry 21:31 <@Adelene> o/ 21:31 < Verdancy> Hi, Evenstar! 21:31 < Kel> I have etherpad with progress completed? 21:31 < Verdancy> Kel: what about measuretwice? 21:31 < Kel> trying to figure out how to fabric 21:32 < Kel> "Can I come make potions and save the world?" 21:32 < Kel> would like plant catalogue link? 21:32 < Kel> also Hi! 21:32 < Andygal> oh d'awwww. 21:32 < Verdancy> Why oh now? 21:32 < Verdancy> um 21:32 < Verdancy> *oh no 21:32 < Kel> heee kumi? 21:32 < Kel> oh no because too cute 21:32 < Kel> dangerous cute 21:32 < Verdancy> oh 21:33 * Verdancy nods 21:33 < Kel> hi pitched happy oh no 21:33 < Verdancy> Lizzie will protect him with her life. 21:33 < Kel> *high 21:33 < Kel> pff 21:33 < Kel> are you here? 21:33 < Verdancy> No, seriously, if he's in her world anything trying to hurt him has to go through her and her entire potion arsenal. 21:34 < Verdancy> ? at are you here? 21:34 < Kel> at evenstar 21:34 < Andygal> Lizzie is a good. 21:34 < Verdancy> oh, okay 21:34 * Verdancy is unconfused now 21:34 < Verdancy> mhmm 21:34 < Kel> sorry 21:34 < Verdancy> (it's fine) 21:35 < Evenstar> I am a here! 21:35 < Kel> yay 21:35 < Kel> hi! 21:35 < Kel> would you like a link? 21:35 < Kel> also hi! 21:36 <@Adelene> Evenstar: Tec seems to be afk, but realized yesterday that Tyche should have asked OTC what the deal is with muses not being able to use sending stones, and the results of that (probably not actually Metis having SS access) are about to affect a thing, so we need to go back and add that. 21:38 < Verdancy> Hi, Adelene! 21:38 <@Adelene> hi! I wasn't gone, I'm just working on a thing. 21:39 < Verdancy> Okay 21:41 < Evenstar> Adelene: I see, sure! 21:41 < Evenstar> Also why is Kumi a cute? 21:41 < Kel> no not that 21:41 < Kel> another thing at the same time 21:42 < Kel> she was funny 21:42 < Kel> funny comparison 21:42 < Evenstar> Oh :P 21:43 < sigma> Is the Novelty and edibility joke played out? She'd rather eat a monkey than deal with that vacation mess any day. 21:44 < Andygal> Heh, go ahead. 21:44 < Verdancy> hee 21:44 < Evenstar> hee 21:44 < Verdancy> Sigma: do you want measuretwice to be Lizzie's potions apprentice? 21:44 < Kel> Evenstar would you like a link to plant catalogue completedso far? would you like me to stop pestering? 21:44 < Evenstar> Sure! 21:44 < Evenstar> I can get a plantalog 21:45 < Kel> https://etherpad.net/p/plantalogue 21:45 < Andygal> I am tempted to have Anda post asking Kumi if pople eating live monkeys is a problem in her world. 21:45 < Kel> well done guessing 21:45 < Kel> (prepare to be underwhelmed) 21:46 < sigma> Sounds good to me, Verdancy. M2's reply will take a few because of illustration. 21:46 < Kel> also if there are questions on they can go there too 21:47 < Evenstar> Yeah, I'd probably like more than that :P 21:47 < Verdancy> Okay! 21:47 < Evenstar> (As in more items) 21:47 < Verdancy> I anticipate adorableness 21:47 < Kel> yeah 21:47 < Andygal> <3 21:47 < Kel> only complete ones ar ethere 21:47 < Kel> trying to figure out how fabric 21:47 < Verdancy> (And I'm still working on the pm, so) 21:47 < Kel> not getting far 21:47 < Kel> fabric is complicated 21:47 < Evenstar> (Also, it appears Erocentrism has actually started fully ignoring Dr. Realist) 21:47 < Kel> planning to do all offered 21:47 < Kel> section removed of disucssion 21:47 < Kel> *discussion 21:48 < Verdancy> there were some posts that got moved to backstage 21:48 < Kel> yeah that 21:48 < Evenstar> (Ah well. Also, Lizzie's yelling is amusing.) 21:48 < Verdancy> I am not sure of the exact reason but I would guess because awfulness 21:48 < Verdancy> (Thank you) 21:49 < Verdancy> (I enjoy making up insults) 21:49 < Andygal> Yes. Oddly enough the awfulness was not Erocentrism's fault. 21:49 < Verdancy> Well, I mean 21:49 < Verdancy> It was the same author 21:50 < Kel> not I think 21:50 < Verdancy> ...if this were a different forum I would be accusing them of sockpuppeting 21:50 -!- Kel is now known as Kelurking 21:50 < Verdancy> ? 21:50 < Andygal> I don't think sigma is Erocentrism. 21:50 < Verdancy> ...I was referring to the bat one 21:50 * Verdancy goes to read moved posts more closely 21:51 < Evenstar> (As someone who is moderately interested in the relevant kink, I'd say that AFAIK bat isn't wrong) 21:51 < Evenstar> (But that there is an interesting discussion to be hard regarding natural charisma and consent) 21:51 < Evenstar> *had 21:51 < Andygal> hypotism can make people do things they later regret. 21:51 < Andygal> the same as alcohol. 21:52 < Verdancy> ....I don't understand how Sigma is responsible for the thing 21:52 < Evenstar> True, but so can just convincing people in general. 21:52 < Andygal> sigma is JoyToTheWorld. 21:52 < Evenstar> If I had to stick a label on hypnotism I'd call it 'ritualized persuasion' 21:53 < Verdancy> I did not realize that Sigma was Joy, sorry everyone. 21:53 < Evenstar> (Then again, I have heard tell of different levels of suggestibility and I may just be unusually non-suggestible.) 21:53 < Andygal> I'd class it in the same box as alcohol and other pyschoactive substances as far as consent goes. 21:54 < Teceler> ...I forgot to away. Oops. 21:54 < sigma> I don't endorse jttw's opinions or actions. Also I've retconned their powers for no hypnotism. 21:55 < Verdancy> Okay. 21:56 < Evenstar> Andygal: It is definitely fuzzy ground consent-wise, but I would be more likely to put it on the 'talking people around' side of the spectrum than the 'getting someone drunk' side of the spectrum. 21:56 -!- skysky has left #backstage 21:57 < Evenstar> In my experiences being hypnotized, I've always been able to immediately reject anything I disliked. 21:58 < Verdancy> I think an important part is "did they consent to being hypnotized" 21:58 < Teceler> that, yeah 21:58 < Evenstar> Verdancy: Now /that/ is a very good point. 21:58 < Andygal> Well consent to getting drunk is not consent to sex. 21:58 < Verdancy> That, too 21:59 < Evenstar> Andygal: True. 21:59 <@Adelene> Being hypnotized seems slightly different in that the /point/ of it is to become suggestable. 21:59 < Andygal> everybody knows that alcohol impairs your judgement. 21:59 <@Adelene> Only slightly, though, consenting to certain suggestions is not the same thing as consenting to all possible ones. 22:00 -!- Kelurking has left #backstage 22:00 < Verdancy> The point I'm making is that I am completely unconcerned if two consenting adults practice hypnosis, having already decided to have sexytimes during 22:00 < Teceler> ...people can you have this discussion in offtopic please? 22:00 < Evenstar> In my experience with hypnosis, it's closest to a form of powerplay than anything else? If you disobey the domme/hypnotist then you 'ruin the fun', but that option is always still there. 22:00 < Verdancy> But if any part of that changes I start worrying 22:00 < Verdancy> um. yes 22:00 < Evenstar> Teceler: Sorry! 22:00 < Verdancy> Sorry, Teceler. 22:01 < Verdancy> #offtopic 22:04 -!- Kel has joined #backstage 22:04 < Teceler> okay, I was afk when it came up earlier, but Evenstar, Adelene, yes, that is a thing that probably should have happened 22:04 < Verdancy> welcome back, Kel 22:05 < Kel> thnks 22:05 < Kel> *a 22:06 < Andygal> Hi. 22:06 -!- skyy has joined #backstage 22:06 < Kel> (sorry) 22:06 < Teceler> (?) 22:06 < FacelessDude> bye o/ 22:06 < Verdancy> (?) 22:06 < FacelessDude> goodn ight everyone 22:06 < Kel> night 22:07 < Kel> sleep well 22:07 < Verdancy> Bye Faceless! Good night. 22:07 < Andygal> night FacelessDude. 22:07 < Teceler> sleep well Faceless 22:07 -!- FacelessDude has quit 22:07 <@Adelene> *points Tec and Evenstar to line 267 of https://etherpad.net/p/sendingscience * 22:08 * Teceler growls at etherpad 22:12 < Teceler> there, Evenstar 22:14 < Teceler> Tyche: what 22:14 < Andygal> (result of hug for Tyche?) 22:14 < Teceler> Tyche: [is hugged] 22:16 < Teceler> ...Evenstar you, um -- I should mention that this needs some careful handling to not wind up with Tyche /very angry/ at the OTC? 22:16 < Kel> [result of hug for tyche?] 22:17 < Evenstar> (I see?) 22:18 <@Adelene> Lurker is not going 'maybe we can buy an upgrade' here, she's just going 'maybe that's fixable?' 22:18 < Teceler> From Tyche's perspective, ze is going 'you have an accessiblity problem' and the OTC is going 'no we don't those aren't people' 22:19 < Andygal> (more hug for Tyche) 22:19 < Evenstar> (I was under the impression that Muses /weren't/ people >.>) 22:19 < Andygal> Muses are debatably people, and Tyche's is apparently more persony than most. 22:19 < Teceler> that yeah 22:20 <@Adelene> Related question, if Lurker wanted an upgrade to let animals use the sending stones would that be possible? 22:20 < Teceler> and Tyche disagrees with the premise of muses not being people 22:20 <@Adelene> Like, smartish ones. 22:20 -!- PDVanished is now known as PDV 22:20 < Evenstar> Mmmmaybe. 22:20 <@Adelene> 'cause I think that's the same question just asked slightly differently. 22:20 < Evenstar> Probably the OTC's solution would be to direct Buddhitanka & Udi at the relevant animal. 22:20 < Teceler> ...pfffft 22:21 < Andygal> pfffft. 22:21 < Evenstar> IE, 'we can't make the stones register partial people, but we can make partial people whole' 22:21 < Evenstar> 'It's easier to fix the disability' 22:21 < Andygal> are they going to suggest this to Tyche for zer muse? 22:21 < Evenstar> (Yep, the OTC does have that uplift frame of mind there) 22:22 < Evenstar> (And yes, probably!) 22:22 < Teceler> ...what happens if Tyche tries to block the OTC? 22:22 < Teceler> :P 22:22 < Teceler> (because that is a possible result) 22:23 < Evenstar> (OTC will probably respect her privacy by not hacking her to try and spam her.) 22:23 < Teceler> (...pffft) 22:24 < Teceler> also Evenstar I think maybe the word you want there is actually 'sapient'? 22:24 < Andygal> and Tyche gets mispronouned again. 22:24 < Teceler> where? 22:24 < Andygal> Evenstar's last comment. 22:24 < Teceler> oh 22:25 < Teceler> ... 22:25 < Teceler> how did I miss that? 22:26 < Kel> [hug?] 22:26 < Teceler> [hugs] 22:26 < Andygal> (hug) 22:27 < Teceler> can anyone think of a relevant sweary adjective for Tyche to use here? 22:27 * Evenstar facepalms. 22:27 < Teceler> (something computer-related preferably) 22:27 * Evenstar sighs at her terrible pronouning. 22:28 < Evenstar> I'm genuinely sorry. :( 22:28 < Kel> [hugs?] 22:28 < Teceler> Tyche is only vaguely annoyed by non-deliberate mispronouncing, if that helps 22:28 < Teceler> [hugs] 22:29 < Kel> (floppy disks as a swear word?) 22:29 < Evenstar> [hugs] 22:29 < Teceler> (pfffft) 22:29 * Adelene would be vaguely surprised if Tyche knew what floppy disks are. ^^ 22:29 < Kel> do you need a noun verb or adjective? 22:29 < Kel> XD 22:29 < Kel> yeah that is reasonable 22:29 < Teceler> adjective 22:29 < Kel> ok 22:29 < Teceler> I said that XD 22:30 < Kel> oops 22:30 < Andygal> I'd suggest "dial-up modem but Tyce probably has not heard of those either. 22:30 < Kel> pff 22:30 <@Adelene> Also I'm not clear what 'not mused' is supposed to mean there? 22:31 < sigma> Fscking is a favorite because it's always a bad day when you have to run a file system check. 22:31 < Teceler> Adelene: ? 22:31 <@Adelene> > [underlying (not mused): 22:31 < Teceler> typo 22:31 <@Adelene> ah. 22:31 < Kel> Fscking is fantastic sigma 22:32 < Kel> it looks like a badly censored swear word like you might see on DA 22:32 < Kel> but it is not 22:32 < Teceler> XD 22:32 < Teceler> yeah 22:32 < Andygal> XD 22:32 < Kel> awwwwwwww 22:32 <@Adelene> and, Lurker steps in there after OTC, I just need a minute to work out what she says. 22:32 < Kel> m2 22:33 < Kel> oh gosh 22:33 < Kel> too cute 22:33 < sigma> :) 22:33 < Teceler> sorry Adelene, just saw that 22:33 < Kel> ,3 22:33 < Kel> *<3 22:33 < Verdancy> awwwwwwwwwwwww 22:33 * Kel flails 22:33 < Evenstar> awwww 22:33 < Evenstar> I just realized 22:33 < Verdancy> too cute, what do 22:33 < Evenstar> M2 stopped copying themselves 22:33 < Kel> yes! 22:33 < Evenstar> That is a good <3 22:34 < Andygal> <3 22:34 < Verdancy> ^_^ 22:34 < Verdancy> <3 22:34 < Teceler> aww 22:34 < Andygal> d'awww rainbow! 22:35 < Kel> and small flags and smileys 22:35 < sigma> Also, the future may hold new and different filesystems, but on a bad enough day they'll still need checking. 22:35 < Verdancy> oh my gosh they're /holding/ potion bottles 22:35 * Verdancy flails 22:36 < Verdancy> Siiiiiiiiigma 22:36 < Verdancy> /too cute/ 22:36 < Kel> (eeeeee) 22:36 < Andygal> on a completely unrelated note Verdancy, does Goal have wonky ass genetics like Sims 3? 22:36 < sigma> Oh no, what will we do about the cute. 22:36 * Andygal grumbles about Sims 3 and wonky ass genetics. 22:36 < Verdancy> (Sigma: flail, probably) 22:36 < Teceler> Andygal: mods :P 22:36 < Verdancy> Andygal: I am leaning yes because amusing 22:37 < Teceler> pffft 22:37 < Kel> how do genetics? 22:37 < Verdancy> :P 22:37 < Andygal> are there mods that fix the hair dye inheritance thing? 22:37 < Verdancy> pfffffthaha 22:37 <@Adelene> (tag) 22:37 < Teceler> ...possibly but XD 22:37 < Verdancy> the hair dye thing 22:37 < Andygal> also the adoption thing. 22:37 < Verdancy> pffffft omh 22:37 < Verdancy> *omg 22:37 < Kel> ? 22:38 < Verdancy> @ the adoption thing 22:38 < Teceler> I was actually thinking about the essentially 'clones of the parent' thing XD 22:38 < Verdancy> that too 22:38 < Kel> no like what does genetics do? 22:38 < Teceler> (what adoption thing?) 22:38 < Verdancy> I think the part where adopted children's children inherit their adoptive grandparent's genetics 22:38 < Andygal> the thing where if you adopt a kid and they have kids the kids can inherit things from their adoptive grandparents. 22:38 < Teceler> ah that 22:38 <@Adelene> Numbers, Evenstar, we're on a budget here. ^^ 22:38 < Andygal> ninja'd. 22:39 < Verdancy> yeah 22:39 < Verdancy> Also the 10% random mutation rate 22:39 < Andygal> Oh yes that. 22:39 < Andygal> ugh. 22:39 < Andygal> EA did a decent job of genetics in Sims 2 (except for the firsborn effect), why'd they completely fuck it up in Sims 3? 22:40 < Kel> for fun? 22:40 < Teceler> pfft 22:40 < Verdancy> ...the firstborn effect was pretty bad 22:40 < Kel> I mean, that's a pretty fantastic bug 22:40 < Teceler> firstborn effect? 22:40 < Kel> I could see introducing that bug for fun 22:40 < Andygal> Yeah the firstborn effect was super annoying. 22:40 < Teceler> Kel XD 22:40 < Kel> what is firstborn? 22:40 < Verdancy> If you didn't do a hack thing then all of your sims children would be identical to your firstborn 22:41 < Teceler> ... 22:41 < Kel> heeeee 22:41 < Kel> that is fantastic 22:41 < Teceler> fail 22:41 < Andygal> unless they were born in the same play session. 22:41 < Kel> maybe keep that bug too? 22:41 < Kel> that is a good bug 22:41 < Teceler> Kel XD 22:41 < Kel> very flavorful 22:41 < Verdancy> I think they made all the fancy color choices and then they went how genetics? eh, w/e 22:41 < Andygal> because the random seed was completely fucking broken. 22:41 < Verdancy> screw it 22:41 < Teceler> XDXDXD 22:41 < Andygal> I don't think the firstborn effect happens in Sims 3. 22:42 < Andygal> they fixed that and broke everything else. 22:42 < Verdancy> yuuuuuuuuup 22:42 < Andygal> because EA are fucking idiots. 22:42 < Kel> oooh thought 22:42 < Verdancy> I can confirm! I have offspring with different hair colors and everything! 22:42 < Kel> what if you pledge your firstborn to a witch 22:42 < Kel> (heee) 22:42 < Kel> but then actually give them your secondborn 22:43 < Kel> who is identical 22:43 < Kel> does this break the magic? 22:43 < Verdancy> huh 22:43 < Andygal> hahahaah 22:44 < Verdancy> I feel like they would notice, but that's interesting&amusing to think about 22:44 < Verdancy> .... 22:44 < Verdancy> no 22:44 * Verdancy shoos away plot bunnies 22:44 < Kel> muahahahahaha 22:44 < Verdancy> No TOO MANY already 22:44 < Verdancy> go away 22:44 < Teceler> XD 22:44 < Kel> (sorry :P) 22:44 < Kel> ... Time how 22:44 < Verdancy> (It's fine :P) 22:44 < Verdancy> Time for sleep? 22:44 < Kel> I need to sleep 22:44 <@Sonata> I think that during the gap between kids, when only the firstborn yet exists, the magic would notice that you are holding back an owed child 22:44 < Andygal> ironically the fact that kids in the same play session were not identical meant that if you didn't use hacks, twins were the only kids that would look different from each other, usually. 22:45 < Verdancy> pfffffft yeah 22:45 < Teceler> sleep well Kel? 22:45 < Kel> if they are twins? 22:45 < Andygal> goodnight Kel? 22:45 < Verdancy> Good night, Kel. 22:45 < Kel> thanks! 22:45 < Kel> goodnight 22:45 <@Adelene> *pokes Evenstar* 22:45 < Kel> who besides V and ES do I owe forumtags? 22:46 < Evenstar> (sorry >.>) 22:46 < sigma> Good night Kel! 22:47 -!- Kel is now known as Kelsleep 22:48 < Kelsleep> good night 22:48 < Teceler> good night 22:48 < Andygal> goodnight <hug> 22:48 < Kelsleep> [hug] 22:48 < Teceler> [hug] 22:48 < Verdancy> *hugs* 22:48 < Verdancy> Good night. 22:51 < sigma> Nooot sure what's up with Sims 3 genetics there. Sims 2 genetics looks like more fun. 22:51 < Andygal> EA is lazy, cheap, and stupid. 22:53 -!- Kelsleep has quit 22:55 <@Adelene> Evenstar, the stones aren't always-on, right? Lurker can drop out of the conversation? 22:56 <@Adelene> Or, that's a dumb question, even if not Esthfora exists. 22:57 -!- Thatwasademo has joined #backstage 22:57 < Thatwasademo> shh 22:57 -!- Thatwasademo is now known as Xom 22:57 < Teceler> ...hello demo 22:57 < Xom> i'm not here 22:57 < Teceler> pfft 22:57 * Teceler shushes. 22:57 < Andygal> pfffft 22:58 < Xom> and i am certainly not eating delicious sandwiches 23:01 -!- Evenstar has quit 23:04 < Andygal> what kind of sandwiches are you not eating? 23:14 < sigma> Are they sweet, war-worthy maple sandwiches? 23:14 <@Adelene> pffft 23:15 < Andygal> hahaha 23:28 < Xom> the sandwiches i am not eating are not filled with barbecue pork and the pork is not placed between hamburger buns 23:28 < Xom> nothing about this is excellent or enjoyable in any way 23:29 < Andygal> pffffthahaha 23:29 < Xom> do you doubt my words, mortal? 23:30 < Teceler> [flips a coin] Yes 23:30 < Xom> good, you're learning 23:30 < Teceler> XD 23:31 < Andygal> XD 23:47 <@Sonata> alicornutopia seems to be lagging me 23:47 <@Sonata> I'm going to bed, if someone would bump mininotifications that would be great 23:48 <@Sonata> [url=https://etherpad.net/p/sendingscience]sendingscience[/url] acquired a new bit in the middle, ctrl-f "[however]" 23:48 <@Sonata> goodnight 23:48 < Teceler> sleep well 23:48 < Andygal> goodnight. 23:48 -!- Sonata is now known as sonatasleep 23:49 < sigma> Alicorn forum's not working for me either. --- Day changed Mon Aug 17 2015 00:01 -!- skyy has quit 00:07 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 00:11 -!- sigma has quit 00:56 -!- PDV has quit 01:10 < Teceler> I need to go sleep 01:11 < Andygal> niiight. 01:11 <@Adelene> Sleep well. ^^ 01:11 < Teceler> do you need to do that thing Andygal? :P (I dont' remember what timezone you're in. Or what your sleep schedule is, for that matter) 01:11 < Teceler> thanks 01:11 < Andygal> I should probably do that thing. 01:12 < Andygal> it is 11 pm. 01:12 < Teceler> sleep well if you do 01:12 < Teceler> (ah, it's earlier there :P) 01:12 < Teceler> good night all 01:12 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Asleep 01:12 * Teceler|Asleep actually remembered to away this time XD 01:43 -!- Verdancy is now known as VerdanZzz 01:43 < VerdanZzz> Good night, everyone. 01:44 <@Adelene> Sleep well. 01:44 < VerdanZzz> Thank you! :) 01:45 < Andygal> goodnight. 01:45 < VerdanZzz> Good night. :) 02:22 -!- Andygal has quit
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Post by Mother Starlight on Aug 18, 2015 15:06:43 GMT
06:05 -!- Kelsewhere has joined #backstage 07:03 -!- FacelessDude has joined #backstage * FacelessDude is now known as FacelessWork * FacelessDude is now known as FacelessWork <FacelessWork> hi <Kelsewhere> hi <Kelsewhere> oh * MotherStarlight has quit * Kelsewhere is now known as Kelish * sonatasleep has quit <Kelish> aah <Adelene> :) <Kelish> hi! <Adelene> *examines godsfire* <Adelene> *nudges Kel* <Adelene> Hi! <Kelish> I know what the thing I need to do next is <Kelish> but I can only sorta be here since I'm trying to figure out where my classes are <Adelene> ok <Kelish> sorry <FacelessWork> Hi people <Kelish> hi! <FacelessWork> I am angry <Kelish> oh? <Adelene> sok. Hi faceless, what are you angry about? <FacelessWork> I dont suppose anyone likes to get on pointless internet fights? <Kelish> no <Kelish> but do you want to talk about? <Adelene> Depends on the fight. * MotherStarlight has joined #backstage * ChanServ gives channel operator status to MotherStarlight 07:42 < FacelessWork> basically this http://airagorncharda.tumblr.com/post/126894362696/two-non-offensive-alternatives-to-the-term-spirit 07:43 <@Adelene> "Catholics don’t face oppression for being catholic." uhhhhhh 07:43 <@Adelene> I mean, maybe not /comparatively/? 07:43 <@Adelene> But, like. 07:43 < FacelessWork> I like this blog (airagorn charda) but every so often he spits this kind of garbage and urgh 07:43 <@Adelene> That is a factually incorret statement. 07:43 <@Adelene> *incorrect 07:43 < FacelessWork> I know 07:44 < FacelessWork> and I still cant get out of another post that he reblogged saying that old people should vote with the reasoning along the lines "if they dont want to live it, they dont get a say" 07:44 <@Adelene> "Fighting to keep everyone from being offended by anything is a losing battle that’s not really worth fighting." Fuck you, dude. 07:44 < FacelessWork> shouldnt vote* 07:44 < Kelish> [hugs?] 07:45 * FacelessWork accepts hugs 07:45 < FacelessWork> (note that I didnt even put them on my account) 07:45 < Kelish> mhm 07:46 <@Adelene> Unfortunately I don't have anything detailed enough to say to reply to that. 07:46 <@Adelene> But, like. Fuck that guy. 07:48 < FacelessWork> I wouldnt say that but, urgh, it is terrible 07:48 < FacelessWork> I just realized that Fighting to keep everyone from being offended by anything is a losing battle that’s not really worth fighting." is something that people say in relation to homophobic things too o.o 07:48 <@Adelene> *nod* 07:49 <@Adelene> I would be surprised if people who believed that believed it in a particular-oppression-specific way, yeah. 07:53 -!- sonatasleep has joined #backstage 07:53 < Kelish> hi! 07:55 < Kelish> oh I need to go 07:55 -!- Kelish is now known as Kelsewhere 07:55 < Kelsewhere> I won't be back as soon as before 07:55 < Kelsewhere> because more school is happening 07:55 <@Adelene> ok 07:56 < FacelessWork> bye o/ 07:56 < FacelessWork> good luck at school 08:15 -!- VerdanZzz is now known as Verdancy 08:15 < Verdancy> Belated good luck at school, Kel. 08:16 < Verdancy> (Good morning, everyone.) 08:18 <@Adelene> hi :) 08:18 < Verdancy> Hi! 08:18 < Verdancy> :) 08:22 -!- sonatasleep has quit 08:31 < FacelessWork> ops 08:31 < FacelessWork> hi 08:31 < FacelessWork> whats up? 08:33 < Verdancy> Hi! 08:33 < Verdancy> Um. Precisely nothing. 08:33 < Verdancy> Well, actually, me. I am up. Very early. 08:33 < Verdancy> What are sleep cycles? :) 08:34 < Verdancy> *:P 08:34 < Verdancy> Anyway. 08:34 < Verdancy> How are you? 08:35 < FacelessWork> I am okay 08:35 < FacelessWork> vaguely confused by the final episode of a podcast 08:35 < Verdancy> ...is it Night Vale 08:38 -!- sonatasleep has joined #backstage 08:47 < FacelessWork> No 08:48 < FacelessWork> The thrilling adventure hour 08:48 < Verdancy> Okay 08:48 < FacelessWork> which is made up of several sub shows 08:48 * Verdancy knows nothing about that whatsoever 08:48 < FacelessWork> today it was the end of Sparks Nevada, Marshal on Mars 08:51 < FacelessWork> TAH is fun if you like desconstruction of old time radio tropes 08:52 < Verdancy> I don't know a lot about old time radio, but I like deconstructions 08:52 < Verdancy> ...I'm not big on podcasts and stuff, though, I have auditory processing bleh 08:52 * Verdancy shrugs 08:57 < FacelessWork> its okay 09:01 < Verdancy> ...that was not an I'm not interested, just an admission of ignorance 09:01 < Verdancy> If you want to keep talking about it, I'm curious 09:02 < FacelessWork> the main shows in TAH are Sparks Nevada, which is a space western and the most continuity heavy among them 09:03 < Verdancy> Like Firefly? 09:03 < FacelessWork> in the vaguest sense? it is very cartoony/tropey 09:03 < FacelessWork> and Beyond Belief with is hilarious, starring "those married mediums" Frankie and Sadie Doyle, which are the bestest 09:04 < FacelessWork> Sparks nevada theme song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YtqFPeVeLs 09:04 < Verdancy> ...together, they negotiate with ghosts? 09:04 < Verdancy> :P 09:05 < Verdancy> Wow that is. Very cartoony and tropey, yeah 09:05 < FacelessWork> More like Frank and Sadie are drunk and ghosts, demons, ghouls, skelletons, witches, singing animals, etc knock on the doyles door and there is shenanigans 09:05 < Verdancy> pfffffft 09:05 < Verdancy> /shenanigans/ 09:07 < FacelessWork> the bestest shenanigans xD 09:07 < Verdancy> :D 09:59 -!- FacelessWork has quit 10:07 -!- Teceler|Asleep is now known as Teceler 10:10 < Verdancy> Hi, Teceler! 10:10 < Teceler> hello :) 10:11 < Verdancy> How are things 10:11 < Verdancy> ? 10:11 * Teceler is awake! (:P) 10:11 < Verdancy> Awakeness is good 10:11 < Verdancy> Well 10:11 < Verdancy> When you are not tired 10:11 < Teceler> yeah 10:12 < Verdancy> I have been up since 8AM 10:12 < Teceler> I have worked out approximately how Niryl responds 10:12 * Teceler goes to do that 10:12 < Teceler> ... 10:12 < Verdancy> oh, cool 10:12 < Teceler> [hugs?] 10:12 < Verdancy> *hugs* 10:12 < Verdancy> No, everything is fine, I managed to sleep somewhat earlier and now I am up in the morning 10:12 * Teceler doesn't know what time it is there but 10:12 < Teceler> ah 10:13 < Verdancy> I was awoken by the family dog barking like the world was ending 10:13 < Teceler> that is always frustrating 10:13 < Verdancy> Apparently she was done being outside 10:13 < Teceler> pffft 10:13 < Verdancy> It's not that bad, I let her in and got her food and water and snuggles 10:14 * Teceler nods. 10:14 < Teceler> being woken up by a dog that WILL NOT STOP BARKING (usually because another dog is barking or the neighbors are outside or something) is frustrating though 10:15 < Verdancy> Eh, she's a big sweetie 10:15 < Verdancy> Her barking is actually a relatively pleasant thing to wake up to 10:15 < Teceler> ... [hugs] 10:15 < Verdancy> *hugs* 10:16 < Verdancy> ...it is really not that bad, I got to pet her and snuggle her and tell her what a silly girl she is 10:16 < Teceler> heh 10:16 < Verdancy> my poor tiny squishy heart is all melty 10:17 * Verdancy loves dogs /so much/ 10:17 < Teceler> aww 10:17 < Verdancy> :) :) 10:30 < Teceler> (Verdancy, irc-pmed you) 10:31 < Verdancy> oh 10:31 < Verdancy> oops, sorry 11:00 -!- FacelessWork has joined #backstage 11:02 < FacelessWork> Salutifications 11:02 < Verdancy> Hi, Faceless! Welcome back. 11:03 < Teceler> hello Faceless 11:03 < Teceler> Verdancy: forum-tag 11:05 < FacelessWork> I think theunitofcaring might take over and reply to that post that was bothering me earlier 11:06 < FacelessWork> how is everyone? 11:06 < Teceler> okay 11:06 < Teceler> [hugs re: that thing] 11:06 < FacelessWork> thanks 11:06 * Verdancy offers hugs 11:06 * Adelene is a workdelene, should perhaps note. 11:06 -!- Adelene is now known as Workdelene 11:06 < Verdancy> Okay 11:08 < FacelessWork> thanks Verdancy ^_^ 11:09 < Verdancy> :) 11:09 <@Workdelene> (Cat is like, 'why are you a workdelene, come be a snuggledelene'. Sorry kitty.) 11:10 < Teceler> aww 11:10 < Verdancy> awwwwwww 11:11 < FacelessWork> I thinking of that Big Bang Theory song applied to your nick. Softdelene, Warmdelene, Little-ball-of-furdelene 11:11 <@Workdelene> *giggle* 11:11 < Verdancy> hee 11:24 -!- Evenstar has joined #backstage 11:25 < Verdancy> Hi, Evenstar! 11:25 < Teceler> hello Evenstar! 11:26 < Evenstar> Hi! 11:31 < FacelessWork> o/ 11:31 < FacelessWork> Evenstar! 11:32 < FacelessWork> You are Isabella's author right? 11:32 < FacelessWork> Lioncourt I mean 11:33 < Teceler> Evenstar, incidentally, I think after Lurker dropped out Tyche indicated an intention to calm down and then talk to them later and then either turned off the sending stone if that's possible or blocked the OTC rep 11:34 * Evenstar is Isabella's author! Isabella is correct as the templatename! 11:34 < Evenstar> Teceler: Okay! 11:36 < Evenstar> (Incidentally, OTC is confused because what they're hearing is "I want my PDA to be able to use sending stones" "But your PDA isn't concious" "MY PDA CAN BE CONSCIOUS IF I WANT IT TO BE" "Okay okay fine we can upgrade your PDA to make it a person" 11:36 < Teceler> ... 11:36 < Evenstar> (Not realizing the level-of-sentience possessed by Eclipse muses.) 11:36 <@Workdelene> pffft 11:36 < Evenstar> (Or at least, this specific muse.) 11:37 < Teceler> Tyche: [is so much augh] 11:37 <@Workdelene> And only went and checked when there was smol very biting, huh. 11:37 < FacelessWork> ops sorry, my attention is divergint, I just wanted to ask if I can make requests between you and alicorn for this http://alicorn.elcenia.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=399 11:38 < Evenstar> (The good news though is that once it's explained that Muses can be very people, OTC will say ' wait a second, how is this not working with your existing muse already?') 11:38 < Teceler> (pffft) 11:38 <@Workdelene> By the way, it might come up since Lurker has some bt; about how many should it take to get Metis over the line there, and also an average muse? 11:38 < Evenstar> (And immediately start treating it as an 'unusual-conciousness' situation rather than a 'not people' situation) 11:39 < Evenstar> (With lots of apologies) 11:39 < Evenstar> (Now I'm wondering if Orz can use sending stones.) 11:39 < Evenstar> (I suspect not since the individual subminds aren't very smart.) 11:39 < Evenstar> (IIRC) 11:39 <@Workdelene> heh. 11:39 <@Workdelene> ...work, right. 11:40 < Teceler> OTC might be able to infer the relevant thing from the Eclipse technology they have if they look, incidentally 11:40 < Teceler> brb 11:40 < Evenstar> Workdelene: Metis is probably very close to being sending-stone-compatible already. 11:40 -!- Kelsewhere has quit 11:40 < Evenstar> My impression of the average muse is that they're closer to delta forks 11:41 < Evenstar> while Metis and some others are closer to Beta forks. 11:41 < Evenstar> (IE, in most cases Muses are only people insofar as they are scretaries.) 11:41 < Evenstar> (There is no self separate from the persona of 'daily manager') 11:42 <@Workdelene> That's not really an answer to my question though. :P 11:42 < Evenstar> Metis and Muses like her are more like 'people who incidentally have a deep driving need to ensure their owner gets places on time etc' 11:42 < Evenstar> So I would expect the average muse to basically need a personality built from the ground up. 11:42 < Evenstar> Whereas Metis has plenty of her own to supply. 11:43 < Evenstar> So it's likely an order-of-magnitude thing. 11:43 <@Workdelene> *nod* 11:44 < Evenstar> Also, FacelessWork: I'm fine with requests between me and Alicorn! 11:44 < FacelessWork> thanks o/ 11:45 <@Workdelene> Like, the question here is, Lurker has ~75 bt on hand, if they start throwing those at Metis is it going to make enough of a difference fast enough that they keep trying, or not. Given this isn't the reason she brought those. 11:46 < Teceler> muses are varied levels of personness, yeah. They are usually not as persony as Metis (Tyche may have accidentally an emergent AGI XD), but they can get fairly. Generally they /do/ have personality it's just based on what their person needs. 11:46 < Teceler> so 11:46 <@Workdelene> (If 10-15 make no appreciable difference they will probably stop, I think.) 11:46 < Evenstar> Workdelene: Actually I would set the boundary for Metis fairly close to 100 BT, so you'd probably see some noticeable improvement! 11:46 <@Workdelene> *nod* 11:46 < Teceler> Metis kind of wants to know what the bt is intended to do XD 11:46 < Evenstar> You'd want to be careful about getting Metis' consent first though. 11:47 <@Workdelene> Of course :P 11:47 < Evenstar> Also also you probably want some Udi. 11:47 < Teceler> (bk, incidentally) 11:47 <@Workdelene> Just, if Metis wants to experiment I'd rather not have to track you down again first. 11:47 <@Workdelene> Also, how are bt redeemed? 11:48 < Evenstar> Workdelene: You ask the BT a question, it dissapears, you get an 'answer' in the form of a new memory. 11:48 <@Workdelene> *nod* 11:48 < Teceler> pfft 11:48 < Evenstar> Answers may or may not be particularly relevant. 11:48 < Teceler> how easy is it accidentally redeem them by wondering about something? 11:48 < Evenstar> Like, an appropriate answer to 'what are bald eagles like' might get you a piece of american propaganda film dubbed over with red-tailed hawk screeches 11:49 < Teceler> pfffffft 11:49 < Evenstar> Teceler: You need to be physically holding it, and you need to 'direct' the question at the BT. 11:49 < Teceler> Evenstar, what /are/ the bt intended to do here, and should that be something the characters would get? 11:49 < Teceler> that makes sense 11:49 < Teceler> *should the characters get that 11:50 < Evenstar> Teceler: It's a bit mystical and weird, even for OTC! But basically the idea is 'if you redeem BT on behalf of an inanimate object, that object gets memories and thoughts from the BT' 11:50 < Evenstar> 'If you redeem enough BT on a rock, it will eventually wake up' 11:51 < Teceler> pffft 11:51 < Evenstar> (Providing the local laws of physics allow.) 11:51 < Evenstar> (Really large BT have the side-effect of eventually turning the area around them into part of an animism-world.) 11:52 < Evenstar> (Unless you move them regularly.) 11:53 < Teceler> on the subject of bt, when you mint bt you can target a specific thing, right? 11:53 < Evenstar> Yes. 11:53 <@Workdelene> ...hmmmmm. Does Esthfora-protection guarantee true (but not necessarily useful) information from bt redemption? 11:53 < Evenstar> Otherwise people would be putting holes in their procedural memories and forgetting things like how to walk. 11:53 < Teceler> pfft 11:53 < Teceler> yeah that would be bad 11:54 < Evenstar> Workdelene: Possible! You could at least use her to check redeemed memories to see if they're true. 11:54 <@Workdelene> *nod* 11:54 < Evenstar> (Incidentally, you /can/ mint skills as Buddhitanka.) 11:55 < Evenstar> (And you can /redeem/ skills from buddhitanka, for an additional surcharge.) 11:55 < Teceler> ... Eclipse is going 'I'm not sure if I want to allow this' XD 11:55 <@Workdelene> heh. 11:55 < Evenstar> (I mean, if you can learn to be a masochist from Udi and BT, you can also learn to play the piano.) 11:55 -!- FacelessWork has quit 11:56 <@Workdelene> bt sound like they give whatever-Eclipse-uses-for-experience-points, to me. 11:56 * Teceler nods. 11:56 < Teceler> that's how it would get modelled if it was allowed, yeah 11:56 <@Workdelene> *nod* 11:58 < Evenstar> (OTC already sells this service, incidentally) 11:58 < Evenstar> (see: Mercury Reaches, Forgotten Song) 11:58 < Teceler> pffft 12:02 < Evenstar> ... You know 12:02 < Evenstar> I am now tempted to do a Teah in Gap Sandbox 12:02 < Teceler> pffffffft 12:03 < Evenstar> Either that, or poke Aestrix to put a Teah into Cuddling-gods!world 12:03 < Evenstar> I'm not sure which :P 12:03 < Evenstar> The former would probably be easier :P 12:03 < Teceler> why not both? :P 12:03 < Evenstar> Point! 12:03 < Evenstar> (Kappa might get a bit buried though :P) 12:03 * Evenstar wonders where the Kappa has gone. 12:09 -!- Kel-Phone has joined #backstage 12:09 < Kel-Phone> hi 12:09 < Teceler> hello Kel! 12:09 < Kel-Phone> only onLine for a bit 12:10 < Kel-Phone> using school cafe basement Wi-Fi leaving for class in five to ten minutes 12:11 < Kel-Phone> things to discuss? 12:11 < Teceler> hm? 12:12 <@Workdelene> Kappa is focusing on Effulgence I bet. 12:12 < Kel-Phone> Also should cloaked didn't get tyche pm? 12:12 <@Workdelene> She is online. 12:12 < Kel-Phone> are there things need to talk about? 12:12 < Kel-Phone> ah 12:12 < Teceler> Kel: re Cloaked: unless that gets restored, yeah, probably 12:12 < Kel-Phone> ooh is Effulgence updating? 12:12 < Kel-Phone> Ok 12:13 <@Workdelene> I mean, I haven't checked today yet, but there have been updates recently and Alicorn's mentioned working with Kappa on stuff, so. 12:13 < Kel-Phone> Cool ď 12:14 < Kel-Phone> *! 12:14 < Kel-Phone> need to go now 12:14 < Teceler> good luck 12:14 < Kel-Phone> thanks! 12:15 < Kel-Phone> don't have book but hoping for the best 12:15 -!- Kel-Phone has quit 12:21 -!- sonatasleep is now known as Sonata 12:27 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 12:34 < Evenstar> "@fucknodisparatetheimpact" < who the who 12:34 <@Sonata> from alicorn's AUSJ series on tumblr 12:34 < Teceler> hello Sonata 12:34 <@Sonata> is the one who complains about Professor Annihilation's death laser being aimed at the equator 12:34 <@Sonata> hi 12:35 < Evenstar> Oh I see 12:42 < Evenstar> " I don’t want to see any more butthurt white cishet men complaining about how their nice gentrified neighborhoods have been reduced to particulate matter and now their families are dead and they have cancer. Some of us have bigger problems!" 12:42 < Evenstar> ... I am amused. 12:44 < Evenstar> "Frankly I don’t think white cishet men should be building Death Lasers AT ALL, there’s just no way for them to do enough homework." 12:44 < Teceler> no one should be building death lasers XD 12:44 < Evenstar> ... Yeah that was my response 12:44 <@Sonata> Alicorn describes fuckno as "completely missing the point". 12:51 -!- Kelsewhere has joined #backstage 13:01 < Evenstar> "Last week he announced he was going to release irradiated land-going sea cucumbers into Irvine and I don’t think they’re even evacuating." 13:01 < Evenstar> ... This is the sort of thing that OTC deals with on a daily basis 13:01 < Teceler> heee 13:09 < Evenstar> "ignoring the Death Laser would be a huge mistake, I think." 13:10 < Evenstar> ... I agree with the literal meaning of those words but in context they are wierd 13:15 < Evenstar> (Also who is a Jake, I have forgotten) 13:16 <@Workdelene> Elspeth's wolf. 13:20 -!- Workdelene is now known as Adelene 13:30 -!- Butcher has joined #backstage 13:33 < Butcher> You are now allowed to comment on the cute pony. 13:33 < Butcher> She now has a profile picture in character too. 13:42 < Butcher> Oh, Evenstar, what all can that thingy Eva gave LD do? Just check or also mint? Did Mozee's restoration fill up Lady death's Ka balance or was the fact that she was going to get it already included in it? I mean Inkspot's arcany supposedly was. 14:05 -!- Sky has joined #backstage 14:19 < Teceler> hello sky 14:20 < Sky> hi 14:39 * Sonata wants to watch good television, doesn't know of any 14:40 -!- Kelsewhere has quit 14:46 <@Sonata> requirements: doesn't offend my feminist sensibilities, not mostly based around "look at how much these people suck" 14:47 <@Sonata> preferred: science fiction / fantasy, available on netflix 14:52 -!- sigma has joined #backstage 14:52 < sigma> Hello MWF 14:52 < Teceler> hello sigma 14:53 <@Sonata> hi 14:53 < Teceler> brb 14:55 < sigma> I'm mwf-ing, I made some posts. 14:59 <@Adelene> Measuretwice did get a PM from Lurker, right? 14:59 <@Adelene> I'm almost sure I included him in that. :P 15:00 -!- Verdancy has quit 15:01 < Teceler> bk 15:02 < Teceler> what would M2 be getting a pm from Lurker about? 15:02 <@Adelene> "I'm going to be gone for who knows how long, talk to Miles or Cordelia if you need anything." 15:02 < Teceler> ah 15:05 < sigma> Yeah, he did 15:05 <@Adelene> ok 15:06 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 15:06 < sigma> For him I've been sort of assuming one of them would read the thread, but that might be a silly assumption. 15:07 < Teceler> hello Andygal 15:07 < Andygal> Hi. 15:07 <@Adelene> You might need to ping Kappa to make that happen. 15:08 < sigma> (Novelty got one too, so if a human shows up there, she'll know to go to a Vorkosigan about it.) 15:08 -!- MTC has quit 15:09 <@Adelene> *nod* 15:09 -!- Kel has joined #backstage 15:09 < Kel> Hi! 15:09 < sigma> It's not so urgent for measuretwice now that he has a new plan. 15:09 < Teceler> hello Kel! 15:09 < sigma> Hi Kel! 15:10 < Teceler> I think I'm going to have to leave pretty soon, unfortunately 15:10 < Andygal> hi Kel. 15:10 < Kel> aw okay 15:10 < Kel> Hi! 15:11 <@Sonata> Butcher, minibar, wat? 15:11 -!- mode/#backstage [-o MotherStarlight] by Sonata 15:11 -!- mode/#backstage [+v MotherStarlight] by Sonata 15:12 < sigma> I assumed "homicide" is taken as referring to "humans", unavailable in pony world. 15:13 < Kel> ? 15:13 < Kel> but how is minibar from that? 15:13 < sigma> I don't know why minibars are the next best guess. 15:13 < sigma> Or why they're capitalized. 15:14 < Kel> aww novelty 15:14 < Andygal> suspect it might be an autocorrect fail for "minotaurs". 15:14 < Kel> ohh 15:14 <@Sonata> ...possible 15:14 < sigma> Ohhh. That makes 15:15 < sigma> More sense than minibars. 15:15 < Kel> yes 15:15 < sigma> Not _sense_ sense, but more sense. 15:15 < Kel> it makes a nonzero amount of sense! 15:15 < Kel> not enough for a whole /dollar/ 15:15 < Kel> but still sense 15:16 < Andygal> XD Kel 15:16 < Teceler> heh 15:18 <@Sonata> does someone have logs from when MS bounced this morning? she seems to have come in in the middle of airagorn charda 15:19 <@Sonata> Thanks Tec. 15:19 < sigma> The words airagorn charda have no meaning to me 15:19 < Teceler> pmed 15:20 <@Sonata> Name of a blogger. 15:28 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Away 15:29 < sigma> I read about the Tome Series epic currencies - Soul Gems, Hope, Raw Chaos, Liquid Pain, etc. 15:31 < sigma> They seem to have some potential for the world in between fabricables and fiat money on the one hand and abstract currencies like Udi on the other. 15:36 < sigma> I was particularly interested in a (probably mis-)reading of Raw Chaos as a currency that nobody can hold more than one of at a time. 15:41 < sigma> Imagining hiring lower level couriers to transport multiples. 15:46 < sigma> The likelier reading is interesting too, a substance of indefinable mass and volume, which you can split and share, and which has only a random chance to be used up when used. 15:49 < sigma> (Magic currencies are of possible interest to Evenstar so I'll drop her name here) 15:57 < Evenstar> (yay magic currencies) 16:02 -!- Verdancy has joined #backstage 16:02 < Kel> Hi! 16:02 <@Sonata> hi 16:02 < Andygal> Hi! 16:02 < Verdancy> Hi! 16:02 <@Adelene> o/ 16:02 <@Adelene> Oh, Kel, you are here. Here is a nudge about Godsfire. 16:02 < Verdancy> (I was a Napdancy before) 16:03 < Kel> ooh 16:03 * Kel is nudged 16:03 <@Adelene> ^^ 16:04 < sigma> With all of these people I think we could have a forum thread or two going. 16:05 < Kel> sorry 16:06 < sigma> Are you apologizing for not having a forum thread going? 16:06 < Kel> yeah 16:07 < sigma> That doesn't seem necessary to me 16:07 < Kel> but it would be fun and good if there was a forumthread going 16:07 < Kel> and there isn't and I could be making one 16:08 < Andygal> <hugs Kel> 16:08 < Verdancy> That also does not seem necessary to me? Please don't feel bad. 16:08 * Andygal is lacking spoons today. 16:08 * Verdancy offers hugs 16:08 < Kel> ok 16:08 * Adelene provides Kel with a second nudge re: godsfire. 16:08 < Kel> [hugs] 16:08 < Kel> yeah trying to find where I decided what to do with fire 16:08 * Verdancy offers hugs for Andygal, too 16:08 < Kel> there was a really cool solution to the problem of OH GOD WHAT EVEN IS THE FLOOR 16:08 < Verdancy> hee 16:09 < Kel> [hugs for Andygal too?] 16:09 < Andygal> Thanks. 16:10 < Andygal> I wanna know who stole my spoons. 16:11 < sigma> A dyne thief? OTC would not approve. 16:12 < Verdancy> pfft, Sigma 16:12 < Andygal> <3 16:12 < Verdancy> Sonata, if you are still here, I have heard mostly good things about Sense8. 16:13 -!- Adelene is now known as Napdelene 16:13 < Verdancy> Re: television recs a while ago 16:13 < Verdancy> Have a good nap, Adelene. <3 16:13 < Kel> sleep well 16:13 < Andygal> nap well! 16:13 <@Napdelene> ^^ 16:14 < sigma> Is fire what the floor is 16:14 < Kel> fire is what godsfire is 16:14 < Kel> the floor is aaaaa 16:14 < Kel> we both have been visualizing completley different things 16:15 < Kel> and thought we had the same thing 16:15 < sigma> Oh nooo 16:15 < Kel> and had embedded clues of that that made sense only for /our/ model 16:15 < Verdancy> .../awkward/ 16:15 < Kel> yea 16:15 < Kel> godsfire tag though! 16:15 < Andygal> ugh. 16:15 < Andygal> tag is yay tho. 16:16 < Kel> =) 16:17 < Kel> back in a bit, stuff needs to get done 16:17 -!- Kel is now known as Kelsewhere 16:18 < Verdancy> Good luck! 16:18 < Kelsewhere> thanks! 16:18 < Andygal> good luck. 16:22 < Butcher> I guess Homi is just a brand of minibars. 16:22 < Butcher> and not as popular the world over. 16:23 < sigma> Oh, I see. 16:24 < sigma> "Hotel Outsource Management International", apparently. 16:27 < sigma> How can this be explained (or skipped over) for the characters? 16:28 * Sonata backs. 16:28 <@Sonata> I will look into Sense8 16:29 < Verdancy> Okay! I hope you like it! Or find something else that you like. 16:31 < sigma> What is Elcenian co-casting even for. 16:32 <@Sonata> stuff that doesn't need reversed 16:32 < Verdancy> ...Doing a big spell that you don't mean to reverse? 16:32 < sigma> You can't co-car an installation, though, can you? 16:32 < sigma> Co-cast 16:32 <@Sonata> I don't see why not 16:33 < sigma> Otherwise Narax would be out of a career. 16:33 < sigma> You could round up ten wizards and pay them each a hundredth of what you pay him. 16:34 < sigma> To install your teleport circle, say. 16:38 < sigma> Or I'm misunderstanding something. 16:39 < Verdancy> I understand co-casting is either two people only or it gets prohibitively difficult as you add more 16:40 < Verdancy> *As I understand it 16:40 < Verdancy> Anyway, I need to go food 16:40 -!- Verdancy is now known as Verdancy|OmNomNom 16:42 * Butcher tags the sky. 16:46 < sigma> I'm imagining Novelty confronted with a canned minibar beverage. 16:47 < Andygal> that is an adorable image. 16:53 < sigma> Co-casting might be useful to avoid channeling sting, if you want to take the sting on the reversal only. 17:05 -!- Teceler|Away is now known as Teceler 17:07 < Teceler> back 17:08 < Andygal> wibbles. 17:55 -!- Butcher has quit 18:09 -!- magic_phd has joined #backstage 18:10 < magic_phd> hello 18:10 < Teceler> hello 18:18 -!- Verdancy|OmNomNom is now known as Verdancy 18:18 < Teceler> wb Verdancy 18:18 < Verdancy> Thanks! 18:20 < magic_phd> so, potions analysis: unsurprisingly, it doesn't work in my universe. But I'm still planning to post a report that will go something like this: 18:21 < Teceler> it didn't cause a fireball on entry? :P 18:21 < magic_phd> approximatly X joules of magical energy. The liquid is Y% H2O, Z% ... by volume, and so forth 18:21 < Teceler> XDXDXD 18:22 < magic_phd> Explosion is kinda an exaggeration. Most of it is harmless light and magic. 18:23 < magic_phd> I haven't run the math yet, but the vast majority is mostly radio waves and unstructured magic, and unstructured magic does diddly-squat (unless there's tons of it). 18:24 < magic_phd> What I don't know is the numbers to plug in here: does anybody have an estimate of how energetic the potion is? 18:24 < Teceler> Verdancy? 18:24 < magic_phd> Or what it's made of? 18:24 < Verdancy> I was vaguely expecting explosions and broken glass flying everywhere at high speed 18:24 < Verdancy> It is made of magic. 18:24 < Verdancy> That one in particular is 5K simoleans worth, which 18:24 * Verdancy goes to find a good comparison 18:25 < Verdancy> is 1250 apples worth 18:25 < magic_phd> 1250 apples of mass-energy or caloric energy? 18:25 < Teceler> pffft 18:25 < Verdancy> um 18:25 < Verdancy> magic energy 18:25 < Verdancy> sorry 18:25 < Teceler> XD 18:26 < Verdancy> let me find a better comparison 18:26 < Teceler> are the ingredients for that recipe relevant? 18:26 < Verdancy> That one in particular is literally just magic\ 18:26 < Verdancy> There are no other ingredients 18:26 < magic_phd> no prob- comparing game stuff to fantasy RL stuff is weird. 18:26 < Verdancy> just magic 18:26 < Verdancy> yyyeah 18:26 < magic_phd> So I record some amount of magic energy, and that's it-alright. 18:27 < magic_phd> sims 3, right? not 4? 18:27 < Teceler> ...is this not the alchemical potion of youth Verdancy? 18:27 < Verdancy> Nope! 18:27 < Verdancy> It's the chemistry one 18:27 < Teceler> ah XD 18:27 < Verdancy> Because the chemistry one just takes simoleans 18:27 < Teceler> fair enough XD 18:27 < Verdancy> And Lizzie has a /lot/ of simoleans 18:28 < Teceler> heee 18:28 < Teceler> yeah that's probably simpler than hunting down, what was it 18:28 < Verdancy> Tanzanite, green swallowtail butterflies, and mushrooms 18:28 < Teceler> heh 18:28 < Verdancy> ...all of which she would just clone once she got her hands on them 18:29 < Verdancy> But cloning takes time that she could be using to make potions 18:29 < Teceler> but that takes longer than just throwing-- heh 18:29 < Teceler> --throwing simoleans at it 18:29 < magic_phd> Wild speculation time: In normal objects simoleans represent both mass and quality of a thing. Quality won't add to Fractal energy costs, but mass does. 18:29 < Teceler> Lizzie needs /several/ assistants doesn't she 18:30 < Verdancy> She doooooooooooes 18:30 < magic_phd> This is a high-end item, so splitting simeolan cost 50/50 between "mass" and quality sounds reasonable, leading to lots 600 apples of mass-energy worth of boom. 18:30 < magic_phd> Sound reasonable? 18:30 < Verdancy> That works I guess? 18:30 < magic_phd> Time to do math, then. 18:30 < Teceler> it's actually pretty small though? 18:31 < magic_phd> Concentrated magic energy does weird mass things? 18:32 < Verdancy> ...5k simoleans is also enough for a mid-range car 18:32 < Teceler> pffffft 18:33 < Verdancy> or a fancy television 18:34 < Verdancy> ...it's less than half of what you need for an ambrosia cookbook, though 18:34 < Teceler> XD 18:34 < Verdancy> what are prices 18:34 < Teceler> XD 18:36 -!- Napdelene is now known as Adelene 18:38 < Verdancy> Welcome back, Adelene! 18:38 < Teceler> wb Adelene 18:38 <@Adelene> :) 18:38 < Verdancy> Also the fountain of youth is 495,000 simoleans 18:38 < Verdancy> AKA 99 potions of youth worth 18:38 < Teceler> pffft 18:39 < Verdancy> And it only reliably gives you one day at a time 18:39 < Verdancy> If you want the effect of a potion of youth from it, you have to wish with simoleans and risk having one of your traits swapped with childish 18:39 < Verdancy> Which 18:39 < Verdancy> I honestly have no idea how to model 18:40 < Teceler> ...why 18:40 < Verdancy> ???? 18:40 < Verdancy> EA 18:40 < Teceler> why does it do that 18:40 < Teceler> pffft 18:40 < Verdancy> IC reason: because it is cursed. 18:40 * Verdancy nods 18:40 < Verdancy> I author. I decide. 18:40 < Teceler> heh 18:40 < Teceler> doesn't that result in Lizzie trying to uncurse it though? :P 18:40 < Verdancy> Yep. 18:41 * Verdancy whistles innocently 18:41 < Teceler> ...XDXDXD 18:41 < Verdancy> Lizzie has not had much success uncursing things, to be honest 18:41 < Verdancy> She is still angry about the LLAMAs 18:41 < Teceler> [hugs for Lizzie?] 18:42 * Verdancy accepts hugs on Lizzie's behalf 18:42 < Verdancy> Lizzie: they would be the /perfect/ form of transportation 18:42 < Teceler> (pffft now I am picturing her setting up automatic cure elixir dispensers outside them XD) 18:42 < Verdancy> Lizzie: if they didn't fucking TURN PEOPLE INTO TRAGIC CLOWNS 18:42 < Teceler> pfft 18:42 < Verdancy> pffffft 18:42 < Verdancy> She would, though 18:42 < Verdancy> She would 18:43 < Teceler> I know that's why I was picturing it XD 18:43 < Verdancy> hee 18:45 < Verdancy> Lizzie: implies rude things about the inventor of LLAMAs 18:46 < Teceler> pfff 18:46 < Teceler> t 18:48 < Verdancy> Other things worth 5K: Schnadahupfl Virtuoso Grand Piano 18:48 < Teceler> ... 18:48 < Teceler> I am now picturing poor magicphd getting a grand piano dropped on him 18:48 < Verdancy> oh my /god/ 18:50 < magic_phd> Yay for reconstructive magical-medical tech? 18:50 < magic_phd> Also ouch 18:51 < Verdancy> yeah, ouch 18:51 * Verdancy winces 18:51 < Teceler> indeed 18:53 < sigma> Why would a transportation turn people into tragic clowns? This design decision makes no sense 18:53 < Verdancy> EA 18:54 < Teceler> it also gives other negative moodlets 18:54 < Teceler> but that's definitely the worst one 18:54 * Verdancy nods 18:54 < Teceler> (and fairies can trap them for extra bonus shenanigans :P) 18:54 < Verdancy> Well, I mean 18:54 < Verdancy> If people keep using them for 18:55 < Verdancy> extracurricular activities 18:55 < Teceler> pffffft 18:55 < Verdancy> I don't really blame the fairies 18:55 < Teceler> yeah 18:58 < Verdancy> Lizzie: STOP SCREWING IN THE LLAMAS. 18:58 < Verdancy> Amorous couple: But- but 18:58 < Teceler> pffffft 18:59 < Verdancy> Lizzie: NO. THIS IS A TERRIBLE IDEA. GO DO IT IN A HOT TUB OR SOMETHING. 18:59 < Verdancy> Lizzie: HELL, BORROW MY ELEVATOR, I DON'T CARE. 18:59 < Evenstar> "STOP SCREWING IN THE LLAMAS" < Just another day on the MWF 18:59 < Teceler> XD 18:59 < Verdancy> pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft 18:59 < Verdancy> oh my god 19:00 < Verdancy> Welcome back, Evenstar! 19:00 < Verdancy> :D :D :D 19:00 < Evenstar> <3 19:00 < Verdancy> <3 19:03 < sigma> How many Sims does it take --? 19:03 < Verdancy> pfffffffffffffffy 19:03 < Verdancy> um 19:03 < Verdancy> *t 19:03 <@Adelene> Two, apparently. :P 19:04 < Verdancy> Just two! 19:04 < Verdancy> You could probably finagle more 19:04 < Verdancy> But Llamas are not that spacey 19:05 < sigma> In the picture I saw the LLAMA appears to say FUTURE on it. 19:05 -!- magic_phd has quit 19:05 <@Sonata> you can fit arbitrary numbers of people in as long as they're screwing, it's a Time and Relative Dimension in Llama 19:06 < sigma> That's an unusual thing for things to have written on them. 19:06 < Verdancy> pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft Sonata 19:07 < sigma> But like what happens when you stop? 19:07 <@Sonata> You get deposited outside the llama. 19:07 < Verdancy> They are Lightning Leap Atomic Molecular Arrangers, actually 19:07 < Verdancy> pfffffft 19:08 < Verdancy> IDK about the Simlish 19:08 < Verdancy> ...yeah that's future, though 19:08 <@Sonata> Leeloo Lala Argle Mumble Appas, in Simlish 19:08 < Verdancy> probably it says past and other stuff on the other sides, I could check 19:08 <@Sonata> (^- also completely made up) 19:08 < Verdancy> pfffft Sonata 19:09 < sigma> I'm picturing like http://pbfcomics.com/258/ 19:09 < sigma> Tragic clowns everywhere 19:09 < Verdancy> oh my god 19:11 < sigma> This is an adverse outcome 19:11 < Verdancy> /I'll/ say 19:12 * Verdancy observes the carnage 19:12 <@Sonata> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrbIXu2HveQ 19:12 < Verdancy> pffffffffffffffft 19:14 < Evenstar> (This is what english sounds like to people who don't speak it) 19:17 < sigma> Heh, neat. 19:18 < sigma> And I thought it was going to be prisencolinensinainciusol and it wasn't. 19:18 < Evenstar> (There are moooore.) 19:18 < Evenstar> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7j2kZD5y8I 19:18 < Verdancy> pffffffffft 19:19 < Evenstar> (When I don't actually listen to this it sounds like it's english) 19:19 < Evenstar> (it is amusing) 19:20 < Verdancy> I'm listening to the Katy Perry one and it's actually pretty comprehensible 19:20 * Verdancy wonders if you auditory processing problems have something to do with this 19:20 < Verdancy> *if her 19:20 < Verdancy> *facehands* 19:20 <@Adelene> Those are kind of exactly what auditory processing disorder is like, yes. 19:20 < Verdancy> Huh! 19:21 < sigma> That second one feels very anime, down to the random English words ("dreamy-eyed"). 19:21 * Verdancy has a new explaining tool! 19:21 <@Adelene> ^^ 19:21 < Verdancy> Thanks! :) 19:22 < sigma> Hooray! 19:22 < Verdancy> :) 19:26 -!- Kelsewhere is now known as Kelish 19:27 < Verdancy> Welcome back, Kel! 19:28 < Teceler> wbish Kel 19:28 < Kelish> thankish 19:30 <@Sonata> thankish, interj. (1) an expression of gratitoid 19:30 < Teceler> pfffft 19:31 < Kelish> XD 19:31 < Kelish> hee 19:32 < Kelish> partially-here gratitude? 19:32 < Kelish> really-should-be-doing ALEKS assessment grattitude? 19:32 < Verdancy> bleh, ALEKS 19:33 < Kelish> I /kinda/ like it for some things 19:33 < Kelish> but the assessment at the beginning 19:33 < Verdancy> yyyeah 19:33 < Kelish> I keep taking longer on everything than I should just because bored/distracted 19:33 < Verdancy> Did they fix the thing with the decimal points at all 19:34 < Kelish> which thing with them? 19:34 < Teceler> ALEKS? 19:34 < Teceler> [hugs] 19:34 < Verdancy> Where it would occasionally tell you your answer was wrong, then give you the correct answer that was identical to yours 19:34 < Teceler> .../fail/ 19:34 < Verdancy> I seem to remember it has something to do with decimal points? 19:34 < Verdancy> It's been a while 19:35 < Verdancy> (Thankfully) 19:35 < Verdancy> My little brother is doing it now, though 19:35 * Verdancy offers hugs 19:35 < Kelish> [hugs] 19:35 < Kelish> the thing where difference between 0.1 and .1? 19:35 < Kelish> or the sig figs 19:35 < Verdancy> I think the first thing 19:36 < Verdancy> Also some of second thing 19:38 <@Adelene> Hey Evenstar. What's OTC/Eva doing in the background, if anything, re: sendingscience? 19:39 < Evenstar> At the moment Eva is busy as heck, she already has one fork off helping with theft and a new order from OTC-proper's just come in and she needs to catalog it and get it out 19:39 < Evenstar> sendingscience is not top-of-brain for her atm 19:39 <@Adelene> Ok. 19:42 < Andygal> ooh more stuff! 19:43 <@Adelene> *pokes at* Lurker is asking Esthfora for help, I think this might result in being given just the right thing to say to Eva to get her to realize that it is in fact an accessibility issue. 19:44 < Evenstar> That would make sense! 19:44 < sigma> Have I mentioned how great it is that we can have sendingscience and not also bring the forum to a screeching halt? Things have improved since wardingparty. 19:44 <@Adelene> Should that look like anything in particular? Like, words wise. 19:44 <@Adelene> (yes <3) 19:45 < Teceler> sigma: well there /is/ mostly just two authors involved but :) 19:45 <@Adelene> Yeah. 19:46 <@Adelene> Travel being a little expensive and sending stones being a thing seems to work out really well though. 19:47 < Evenstar> Yeah! 19:47 < Teceler> yeah! 19:47 < Verdancy> Um, that reminds me 19:48 < Verdancy> I have a tentative solution to the problem of gates not working in Goal but Lizzie and Singer wanting to trade 19:48 < Verdancy> Because it Gate-Gate doesn't work, but Mozee's gate does, I kind of don't want them to just route everything through Mozee's cloud 19:49 < Verdancy> It seems silly and untidy 19:49 < Teceler> XD 19:49 <@Adelene> "Get Cordelia or somebody to cast a couple of Minor Planar Ally spells for you" seems okay enough. 19:49 < Verdancy> But it would be really anticlimactic if Lizzie and Singer got all ready to trade and then it fizzled 19:49 < Verdancy> That could work! 19:50 < Verdancy> But, modulo Sky's permission, I was thinking that Mozee could make a gate to Goal, it would just be prohibitively expensive magic-wise 19:50 < Verdancy> Such that ey can't or isn't willing to do it regularly 19:50 <@Adelene> If things quit being so much on fire for her (hahahahaha) Lurker might set up some sort of explicit service for that. Or even if they don't, since she's handling the potions already. 19:50 < Verdancy> For trading? 19:51 <@Adelene> mmhmm 19:51 <@Adelene> Or gifts, or whatever. 19:51 < Verdancy> (also, pfft fire) 19:51 < Verdancy> mhmm 19:51 < Kelish> thing 19:51 < Teceler> (that reminds me, Verdancy, when you have relevant brain Tyche's pm still needs an ic response) 19:51 < Verdancy> ? 19:51 < Verdancy> (right) 19:51 < Verdancy> (I forgot, thanks for the reminder) 19:51 <@Adelene> Like, she now has not one but /two/ major worldfixing problems to work on in the background here. :P 19:51 < Kelish> um. the thing of interworld visits? 19:51 < Verdancy> hee 19:51 < Verdancy> Poor Lurker 19:52 < Kelish> never really wound up much in main thread for that 19:52 < Teceler> poor Lurker 19:52 < Kelish> also I owe so many responses 19:52 <@Adelene> Lurker: Would you people just /stop/. :P 19:52 < Kelish> [hugs for Lurker?] 19:52 < Verdancy> ...I kind of want Lizzie to find Milliways but she would /never let the door close/ 19:52 * Verdancy offers hugs for Lurker 19:52 < Teceler> pffft Lizzie 19:52 < Kelish> Milliways is apparently canon for MWF 19:52 <@Adelene> Lurker: [is hugged] 19:52 < Verdancy> Mhmm, DanielH's character got there 19:52 * Adelene pokes Evenstar. 19:52 < Verdancy> um 19:52 < Verdancy> Andrew 19:52 < Kelish> yeah 19:52 < Teceler> Verdancy: Millways could close the door on her? 19:53 < sigma> How can a potion apprentice be transported to the potions place? 19:53 < Kelish> could OTC? 19:53 < Verdancy> Sigma: I was thinking plane shift 19:53 < Verdancy> Modulo Kappa's approval for using his characters offscreen 19:53 < Verdancy> But she hasn't been in chat the past few days, so 19:53 < Evenstar> Adelene: ? 19:54 < sigma> I don't remember, can you plane shift other people or just the caster? 19:54 < Andygal> sonata 19:54 < Verdancy> I. Think it is other people 19:54 < Verdancy> frick 19:54 <@Adelene> Evenstar: What specifically does Esthfora tell Lurker to tell OTC/Eva? 19:54 <@Sonata> um, *checks* 19:55 < Evenstar> Good question, I will get to that 19:55 <@Sonata> You can shift others. 19:55 < Verdancy> okay, good 19:56 < Verdancy> That would have been somewhat annoying to work around 19:56 < Andygal> well if you are using kappa's characters they have Gate. 19:56 < Verdancy> Gate does not work in Goal for flavor and fire reasons 19:56 < Teceler> Andygal: Gate doesn't work with Goal 19:56 < Teceler> pffft 19:57 < Andygal> pffft OK. 19:57 < sigma> So somebody can plane shift M2 to the right general area and they or Lizzie can handle tracking him down and delivering him from there? 19:58 < Verdancy> She can! 19:58 < Verdancy> It could be something of an adventure, though 19:58 < Teceler> just. Don't plane shift him into the ocean or something 19:58 < Verdancy> Because M2 wouldn't be automatically anchored 19:58 < Verdancy> Let's avoid that 19:58 <@Sonata> Plane shifting to Goal is tricky because the tuning fork will go to the wrong place if you breathe on it 19:59 < Verdancy> yyyyep 19:59 <@Sonata> but it's still safer than hopping bubbles by deanchoring, because it puts you on the ground 19:59 < Verdancy> Also, upon any character entering Goal, the universe will attempt to confer upon them: an infinite inventory, ghostitude upon death, and an instinctual knowledge of how goal-magic works 19:59 * Sonata forgets actual term for bubbles 19:59 < Verdancy> Up to you whether any of that works 19:59 < Verdancy> Bubbles is cute 19:59 < Verdancy> I have been using pocket dimensions ooc and towns ic 19:59 <@Sonata> neighborhoods? 20:00 <@Sonata> ah, towns 20:00 < Verdancy> towns, hoods, neighborhoods ic 20:00 < Andygal> in game they are called "worlds". 20:00 < Andygal> in Sims 3. 20:00 < Teceler> but that is confusing with forum XD 20:00 < Verdancy> that is the fancy official term that nobody uses 20:00 < Andygal> Heh. 20:00 < Andygal> yeah most people call them neighbourhoods. 20:01 < Verdancy> ...I mean IC 20:01 < Verdancy> But yeah. That too 20:01 < Andygal> heeee. 20:02 < sigma> Bevins :P 20:02 <@Sonata> snrk 20:02 < Verdancy> Bevins? 20:02 <@Sonata> Neighborhoods in Myst Online 20:02 < Verdancy> Oh, okay 20:02 <@Sonata> (which may or may not be the same neighborhood in parallel universes) 20:03 < Verdancy> cool 20:03 <@Sonata> Alucines? 20:04 < sigma> A practical, non-overloaded term 20:04 < sigma> If it's not too setting-specific? 20:05 <@Sonata> It would probably cause more confusion than it solved. 20:05 < Evenstar> http://manyworlds.boards.net/thread/95/oifilei-trade-consortium-starlight-branch?page=16&scrollTo=5077 20:05 < Verdancy> I thought about alucines, but like 20:05 * Evenstar was doing the last bits of a shipment! 20:05 < Verdancy> That is Alicorn's thing? 20:05 < Teceler> ooooh 20:05 < Verdancy> And it does refer specifically to a kind of thing that is not really the same as Goal pocket dimensions 20:05 < Evenstar> Some MWF-goods are finally being sold. 20:06 < Kelish> still working on plantalogue 20:06 < Kelish> made some progress today 20:06 < Teceler> [hugs] 20:06 < Kelish> [hugs] 20:06 < Evenstar> [hugs] 20:06 * Verdancy offers hugs 20:06 < Kelish> I did though! 20:06 < Verdancy> "dire chocolate" 20:06 < Verdancy> Evenstar what have you done 20:06 < Kelish> like there are actual progresses that happened 20:07 < Evenstar> It is /the best chocolate ever/ 20:07 < Evenstar> Literally. 20:07 <@Sonata> The PGGB might need a stronger warning 20:07 < sigma> We still haven't yet done cool stuff with the Art and all, have we? Is that waiting for Miles to get his hands on a book? 20:07 < Evenstar> (Hmm, true.) 20:07 < Verdancy> ...omg gargle blaster 20:08 < Kelish> what Art? 20:08 < Teceler> Myst I think 20:08 <@Sonata> yeah 20:08 < Kelish> oh 20:08 < Evenstar> Lioncourt has a Book lurking 20:08 < Kelish> how solid is solid smoke? 20:08 < Teceler> ...Eclipse is eyeing the portable lab 20:08 < Teceler> or well 20:09 < Teceler> *Firewall is 20:09 <@Sonata> it's supposed to be very slow-burning fire, but the (as yet undiscovered) ability of demons to make Ink and blank Books may speed it up a bit 20:09 < Kelish> hee GORP 20:09 < Evenstar> Kel: It has about the solidity of a bale of cotton, except it doesn't pull out as much as it squishes in 20:09 <@Adelene> Evenstar: For Esthfora - 'tell her I said that Metis is just as much a person as [some other near-person Eva knows]'? 20:09 < Evenstar> It's like a massive pile of lashed-together pillows 20:10 < Kelish> heee 20:10 < Kelish> is it snuggly? 20:10 < sigma> The "Free Buddhitanka & Udi minting after eating" is for addiction prevention? 20:10 < Kelish> can it be snuggled? 20:10 < Evenstar> Adelene: Knowing that comes from Esthfora that works! 20:10 <@Adelene> Any name in particular I should use there? 20:10 < Kelish> brb 20:10 < Evenstar> Sigma: That is a vast understatement 20:11 < Evenstar> It's more like 'free Buddhitanka and Udi minting after eating so that you can eat real food again' 20:11 < sigma> For preventing the dire chocolate from becoming your world forever? 20:11 < Evenstar> Think of Dire Cocoa as chocolate made by the people from Muse. 20:12 < Evenstar> If you eat Dire Cocoa you will never meet anything as chocolate as it ever again. 20:12 < sigma> Impressive. 20:12 < Evenstar> (There is a reason why most people don't eat the platonic ideals of sweets) 20:12 < Teceler> (pfft) 20:12 < Teceler> (...what is Ingram's opinion of this?) 20:12 < Evenstar> (There's also a reason why it's banned some places) 20:13 < Evenstar> (Ingram spent a fork on it.) 20:13 < Teceler> (pfft) 20:13 < Evenstar> (She has a special restricted section for that memory and others like it.) 20:13 < Verdancy> omg you guys 20:13 < Verdancy> /you guys/ 20:13 < sigma> The skylime description isn't clear to me whether "1/6 slice" is a slice one-sixth of a lime, or one-sixth of a slice an unspecified number of which come per lime. 20:13 < Verdancy> my parents /forgot their car/ 20:13 < Evenstar> (The forks of her that preferred not to remerge due to mind-altering addictions, but who were still functioning, manage that section of the collection.) 20:14 < Evenstar> sigma: 1/6 of a lime. 20:14 < Teceler> Verdancy: ...wow 20:14 < Verdancy> they went to an appointment together in two different cars and they /left one behind/ 20:14 < Evenstar> Verdancy: Hee! 20:14 < sigma> That's 20:14 < Verdancy> and my mom drank wine tonight 20:14 < Verdancy> so now my dad and I are going to go get the car 20:14 < Teceler> Evenstar: the formatting on that post is kind of... weird? it's hard to see what's supposed to be lined up with what, for me 20:14 < sigma> Impressive forgetfulness? 20:14 < Verdancy> it is 20:14 < Kelish> *HUGS* and Kisses 20:14 < Kelish> Instantaneous transport anywhere. 20:14 < Verdancy> this is the best day of my life 20:14 < Kelish> not spaced? 20:15 < Kelish> sarcastically or un? 20:15 < Verdancy> hyperbolically 20:15 < Kelish> ok 20:15 < Verdancy> this is /hilarious/ 20:15 < Kelish> yay 20:15 < Kelish> :D 20:15 < Verdancy> :D :D :D 20:15 < Evenstar> Teceler: Sorry, I forgot to turn on table border T_T 20:15 < Teceler> good luck Verdancy? XD 20:15 < Verdancy> Thanks! :D 20:15 < Kelish> <3 20:15 < sigma> Hooray for a good day! 20:15 < Teceler> Evenstar: ah that would do it 20:15 < Verdancy> Anyway, gotta go! 20:15 < Verdancy> thanks 20:15 < Evenstar> I'm not sure it can be fixed, let me see if I can do that 20:15 < Kelish> Have fuN! 20:16 -!- Verdancy is now known as Verdancy|Adventure 20:16 < Verdancy|Adventure> Thanks! Be back in an hour or so! 20:16 < Kelish> heeee 20:16 <@Sonata> Adverndure 20:16 < Kelish> awww that is cute 20:16 < Verdancy|Adventure> :D :D :D 20:16 < Verdancy|Adventure> thanks 20:16 < Verdancy|Adventure> omg 20:16 * Teceler giggles at nick 20:16 < Kelish> <3 20:16 -!- Verdancy|Adventure is now known as Advendure 20:16 < Kelish> <3 <3 20:16 < Teceler> XD 20:16 < Advendure> Bye! 20:16 < Kelish> bye! 20:16 <@Sonata> Enjoy! 20:17 < sigma> The column widths are weird for me, the price column is like two characters wide 20:18 < Advendure> Actually change of plans: I am my little brother, who just got his learner's permit, are going to be driving 20:18 < Advendure> *I and my 20:18 < Teceler> ... 20:19 -!- Advendure is now known as Adverndure 20:19 < Teceler> ...oka ythat makes slightly more sense 20:19 < Adverndure> With adult supervision 20:19 < Adverndure> omg yeah the first thing 20:19 < Adverndure> anyway I really got to go 20:19 < Teceler> bye 20:19 < Teceler> good luck 20:19 < Kelish> heeee 20:19 < Kelish> do not be your little brother 20:20 < sigma> So I have e.g. "Dyne/Minti/ng/Kit" and "F/R/E/E!" 20:20 < Kelish> it is not doing that for me 20:20 < Teceler> not for me either 20:22 < Evenstar> Refresh I just pushed an update 20:22 < Kelish> TABLE!~ 20:22 < Teceler> yay table 20:22 < Teceler> ...Evenstar what is the deal with Eleventh Hour? 20:22 < sigma> Is there a way to give those columns a minimum size? 20:22 < Kelish> 13th? 20:22 < Teceler> er 20:22 < Teceler> yes 20:23 < Teceler> (dear brain: what) 20:23 < Kelish> it is a phrase 20:23 < Teceler> yes I know but XD 20:23 < sigma> "Pr/ic/e/(/O/T/C)" 20:24 < sigma> There's no need for the header to have seven rows 20:24 < Evenstar> Thirteenth Hour is from the Don't Rest Your Head universe. 20:24 < Teceler> Evenstar Grabber has a hard return after "tables," 20:24 < Evenstar> sigma: Ouch 20:25 < Evenstar> I don't know of a way to specify minimum column-width, let me see if I can configure that 20:25 < sigma> Moooobile o/` 20:26 < Kelish> [hug?] 20:26 < sigma> Mobile devices are fun and also "fun" at the same time 20:26 < Teceler> pfft 20:26 < Teceler> yeah 20:26 < Teceler> [hugs if wanted] 20:26 < sigma> [Hugs!] 20:27 < Evenstar> What Thirteenth Hour does is it puts you into the mental state necessary to make you an Insomniac (capital I). 20:27 < Evenstar> Insomniacs gain power from going without sleep. 20:28 < Teceler> ...um, how does this interact with infomorphs and synthmorphs 20:28 < Evenstar> However, if you sleep for too long as an Insomniac, not only do you lose your powers temporarily, but the Nightmares will come to find you. 20:28 < Teceler> that is not good 20:28 < Evenstar> Teceler: If you don't need to sleep, you don't gain half of the power of an Insomniac, but the other half works just fine. 20:28 < Teceler> how long is too long? 20:28 < Teceler> (which half don't you get?) 20:29 < sigma> If the OTC can customize the Grabber to their usual standard, it might be very useful to the manipulator-impaired. 20:29 < Evenstar> Teceler: If you lie down and sleep for eight hours like a normal human being you will almost certainly be found. Fortunately, the Nightmares are in a /completely different universe/ and don't have access to planar travel. 20:29 < Teceler> pfft 20:29 < Kelish> heeeeee 20:29 < Andygal> pffft 20:29 < Andygal> which is good because they are very bad. 20:30 < Evenstar> The OTC is just being very cautious, because they don't want to get the Nightmares' attention accidentally. 20:30 < Evenstar> Hence 'only sold to those that can go without sleep for at least a week' 20:30 < Teceler> I think Eclipse breaks the hell out of this though, biomorphs only need four hours of sleep with just Basic Biomods, and Circardian Regulation takes it down to 2. And everything else doesn't need sleep at all 20:30 < Evenstar> So, how Insomniac powers work: 20:31 < Evenstar> Part 1 of Insomniac powers draws from how tired you are. 20:31 < Teceler> ah 20:31 < Evenstar> They're a mundane skill that you can do ridiculously well if you're on the verge of falling asleep. 20:31 < Evenstar> For that specific skill, you get /better/ the more fatigued you are, rather than /worse/. 20:31 < Teceler> pfft 20:32 < Teceler> do you pick the skill, or...? 20:32 < Evenstar> The skill is appropriate to your life but you don't get direct control over what you get. 20:32 * Teceler nods. 20:33 < sigma> Combine with Dyne kit? 20:33 < Evenstar> The /other/ power of Insomniacs is their Madness power. When used at a restrained, sensible level it's entirely safe save for triggering an occasional fight-or-flight response, and it allows you to do something blatantly impossible. 20:33 < Evenstar> Sigma: Yep. 20:33 < Teceler> pfft 20:33 < Teceler> ...is this what resulted in the Dyne kit 20:33 < Evenstar> Such as teleport, turn to living stone, etc. 20:34 < Teceler> ...wellup 20:34 < Evenstar> Teceler: It is part of the reason for the Dyne kit! 20:34 < Evenstar> However, overuse of a Madness power in rapid succession while under stress will eventually result in you becoming a Nightmare yourself, if you're not caught and admitted to psychiatric care first. 20:35 < Evenstar> Hence the safety waiver. 20:35 < Teceler> ...yeaaaah. 20:35 < sigma> Which is one problem always, and a second problem if other occupants of your universe have been depending on no nightmares. 20:36 < Teceler> heh 20:36 < Teceler> yeah 20:36 < Andygal> yeeeeah. 20:36 <@Sonata> What do Nightmares do if they get you? 20:36 < Evenstar> It's an entirely avoidable risk. OTC additionally has tagged its insomniac package with a 'check up on me every year' beacon. 20:36 < Andygal> Kill you if you are lucky. 20:36 < Evenstar> If you turn into a Nightmare the OTC will retrieve you. And yes, what Andygal said. 20:37 < Evenstar> Anything that has happened to you in a nightmare, a Nightmare can and will do to you while you are awake. 20:37 < Evenstar> They are Deeply Bad. 20:37 <@Sonata> Ooooooookay. 20:37 < Evenstar> (OTC has Major Warning Labels on this Dangerous Product for a reason) 20:37 < Teceler> Firewall: [meeps] 20:38 < Kelish> well that is a problem 20:38 * Andygal approves of the OTC being responsible re potentially unleashing Nightmares. 20:38 < Teceler> ...Evenstar what happens if someone with a muse Nightmares? 20:38 <@Sonata> Um. I have had nightmares about breaking the universe by causing a paradox. 20:39 < Teceler> or, well, *overuses their Madness power 20:39 < sigma> Does that mean a Nightmare can break your universe with a paradox 20:39 <@Sonata> How much collateral damage can Nightmares cause? 20:40 < Evenstar> Sonata: Nightmares are only a danger to Insomniacs. 20:40 < Evenstar> But a nightmare could break /your/ universe with a paradox. 20:41 < Evenstar> As in, your perception of the universe-as-it-is 20:41 <@Sonata> so if a Nightmare reifies a nightmare about your house burning down, your roommates don't get burned to death 20:41 < Evenstar> Teceler: The muse is no more obligated to that person than anyone else who knew a Nightmare that was once a person 20:41 < Evenstar> Sonata: Yes. 20:42 < Evenstar> Specifically, being an Insomniac gives you access to an additional hour of time each day, in a pocket-dimension of the usual world. 20:42 < Evenstar> In the DRYH-universe, the Nightmares live there. In other universes, it is a bit creepy but there aren't any actual threats there. 20:43 < Teceler> Evenstar: I meant more 'is is possible to unNightmare something with sufficient psychiatric care' 20:43 <@Sonata> what do your roommates see? a burning building that they successfully escape from? your sleeping body burst into flames and crumble to ash, while leaving your bedspread unscorched? you fall into a coma and mumble about burning? 20:44 < Evenstar> Evenstar: No, if you've become a Nightmare no amount of mundane psychiatry will fix you. If your friends saved you from a Nightmare when you fell asleep, but not before it had a chance to do things to you, then mundane psychiatry might or might not help. 20:44 * Evenstar meant to tag Teceler. 20:44 < Teceler> you keep tagging yourself XD 20:45 < Evenstar> Sonata: You don't exist in the regular world at this point. Your roommates see you mysteriously disappear and never return. 20:45 < Teceler> Kel: tag 20:45 < Evenstar> (Unless they are also Insomniacs.) 20:45 < Teceler> (...what happens then?) 20:45 < sigma> Some of these products are just useful! Like the Seven-Pinned-River. 20:45 < Evenstar> (Then they see you being attacked by a dream-monster and have the ability to try and save you) 20:46 < Teceler> (ah) 20:46 * Kelish would like prehensile hair 20:46 < Evenstar> (It'll be a nasty and probably losing fight, but Nightmares have been successfully defended against before.) 20:46 < Evenstar> (It's rare, but possible. More possible with Forum!magic.) 20:47 < Andygal> could somebody with other magical senses manage to precieve the Nightmares and fight them? 20:47 < Evenstar> Mm. Difficult, but the universe is very large. It would depend on the specific kind of senses. 20:48 < Andygal> mmhmm. 20:48 < Evenstar> Aura from Facet would probably do it, Plane Shift to the Dark City would definitely do it. 20:50 < sigma> Are experiential memories usually in quotes? 20:51 < sigma> "Endless Pit" is, but Thirteenth Hour isn't. 20:55 < sigma> Also, the post doesn't have conversion rates for Dyne? 20:56 <@Adelene> Evenstar, are you available for sendingscience? 20:58 < Evenstar> Adelene: Just a few minutes then I'll be right with you <3 20:58 <@Adelene> ok <3 20:58 < Evenstar> Also, fixed the first, Sigma, will post conversion rates for Dyne soon. 20:58 < sigma> Cool, thanks 20:59 < sigma> And of course some appropriate person can update the spreadsheet with all these new products 20:59 < sigma> Hey, any plans to post the Takkarash kits as products? 21:01 * Sonata has historically been the person to add products to the spreadsheet but doesn't feel like it tonight 21:02 * Adelene may spreadsheet later if nobody else does. 21:04 <@Sonata> recommendation: 1 hour worth of Dyne should cost more than 1 hour worth of Ka and less than 1 hour worth of Chron. 21:05 < sigma> I think the Takkarash kits are the only products on the sheet but not in the product post. 21:05 <@Sonata> except 'base price' which /really/ doesn't count 21:05 < Kelish> heee 21:06 < Teceler> XD 21:09 -!- sigma_ has joined #backstage 21:10 < sigma_> Other scattered products I remember: other home minting kits. Minting capacity check meters where required. Courier rates. I think all of these have price quotes somewhere around. 21:10 -!- sigma has quit 21:10 < Teceler> sending stone upgrades 21:10 -!- sigma_ is now known as sigma 21:11 * Andygal suplexes sigma's internet connection. 21:12 * Teceler squints at Andygal 21:12 < sigma> Those too! And now, say, the intentional targeting module for the immovable (glowfic, lipstick, homesick,) _glowstick_. 21:13 < Kelish> heee 21:13 < Kelish> <3 21:15 < sigma> (Without which it's mostly useless in Eskay's home universe except as a tool of scientific study, since there are approximately no people stationary relative to the crust.) 21:15 < Andygal> <insert childish joke about immovable rods> 21:15 < Kelish> there aren't? 21:15 < Kelish> why not? 21:15 < Kelish> ohh are there floating cities? 21:15 < Kelish> Floating cities are fun! 21:18 -!- FacelessDude has joined #backstage 21:18 < FacelessDude> hi 21:18 < Teceler> hello 21:18 -!- sigma has quit 21:18 < FacelessDude> How is everyone? 21:18 < Kelish> hi! 21:18 <@Sonata> good 21:18 -!- sigma has joined #backstage 21:18 < Kelish> good! 21:18 < Kelish> Hi! 21:18 < sigma> I don't think suplexing fixed it 21:19 < Andygal> Darn. 21:19 < Kelish> brb sunset 21:19 < FacelessDude> suplexing? 21:19 * Andygal suplexed it. 21:19 < Teceler> sigma's internet 21:19 < FacelessDude> Kelish, we wait until you finish lowering the sun into the horizon, keep it quiet please 21:19 < Andygal> it was being a bad internet connection. 21:19 < Teceler> pffft 21:19 < Evenstar> Sigma: If it's a platform large enough to be a city, the rod will probably treat the city floor as 'down' 21:19 -!- Adverndure is now known as Verdancy 21:19 < Teceler> wb Verdancy! 21:20 < Verdancy> Thanks! 21:20 < Andygal> was the car sucessfully retrieved? 21:20 < Verdancy> y'know, that really should have been Adverdur 21:20 * Verdancy will remember for next time 21:20 < Verdancy> oh, yeah 21:20 < Verdancy> guess what, though 21:20 < Teceler> what? 21:21 < Verdancy> my mom, my grandmother, and my sister insisted on coming 21:21 < Teceler> pfft 21:21 < Verdancy> So there were five of us packed in a car with four real seats 21:21 < Verdancy> Little brother has yet to master curves 21:21 < Andygal> Ugh. 21:21 < Teceler> ow 21:22 < Verdancy> Anyway, so on the ride back I insisted sister come with me, everyone else in the other car, then drove like a bat out of hell 21:22 < Teceler> pfft 21:22 < Verdancy> I think I beat them by like ten minutes 21:22 < Andygal> ahahaha 21:22 < Verdancy> success 21:22 < Verdancy> Anyway, back now! 21:22 <@Sonata> a winrar is you 21:22 < Verdancy> hee 21:23 < Andygal> I'm pretty sure Verdancy is not a compressed file uncompressor program. 21:23 < Verdancy> heeeeeee 21:23 < Verdancy> How do you /know/, though 21:23 < Verdancy> Maybe I am secretly an uplifted copy of winrar 21:24 < Verdancy> Who occasionally inhabits a droid 21:24 < sigma> On the Internet, nobody knows you're a ... 21:24 < Andygal> XD 21:24 < Verdancy> :D 21:24 < sigma> I missed anything in between "ohh are there floating cities?" And "good!" 21:25 < Verdancy> a little 21:25 < Kelish> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 21:25 < Kelish> EEEEEEEEEeeeeee 21:25 < Evenstar> Sigma: If it's a platform large enough to be a city, the rod will probably treat the city floor as 'down' 21:26 < Teceler> sent 21:26 < Verdancy> Hi, Kel! 21:26 < Teceler> Kel: ? 21:26 < Verdancy> XD 21:26 < Kelish> SUNSET! 21:26 < Teceler> ah 21:26 < Teceler> wb 21:26 < Kelish> IT is a very veyr very nice sunset 21:26 < Evenstar> <3 21:26 < Kelish> and there is a wind 21:26 < Kelish> and the Correct tmeperuater 21:26 < Kelish> ! 21:26 < Kelish> *temperature 21:26 < Kelish> EEEEEEEEEEE! 21:26 < Kelish> oh 21:27 < Kelish> I kinda wanted to show you guys but can't 21:27 < Kelish> :( 21:27 < Kelish> it is very orange 21:27 < Verdancy> It's okay, Kel. <3 21:27 < Evenstar> (I feel like Eva is happy about Kel's taking some time on this) 21:27 <@Adelene> hee ^^ 21:27 < Verdancy> hee 21:27 < Kelish> on the sunset? 21:27 < Teceler> heh 21:27 < Teceler> the plant thing I think? 21:27 < Evenstar> Yes! 21:27 < Teceler> ah 21:27 < Teceler> ...heh, yeah 21:27 < Evenstar> No, the sunset. 21:28 < Evenstar> Because Sensate and all. 21:28 < Kelish> heee 21:28 < Kelish> If I had a sensory stone I would want to share sunset with you 21:28 < Kelish> it is a very sunset 21:28 < Verdancy> awwwwww 21:28 < Andygal> awwww 21:29 * Andygal quotefiles the "uplifted copy of winrar" thing. 21:29 < sigma> In Eskay's world (to which we may apply the regrettably ambiguous designator "Skytopia"), there isn't any land directly on the globe any more. Some of it lifted into the sky and the rest sank beneath the waves. 21:30 < Teceler> pfft 21:30 < Teceler> (re: regrettably ambiguous designator) 21:31 < Kelish> hm 21:31 < Kelish> .... brb 21:31 < sigma> Evenstar: oh, so it's probably not useless then! 21:33 < sigma> Anchoring to the globe is potentially useful for mooring, but you'd have to prepare carefully so it doesn't just rip out when you push the button. 21:34 < Evenstar> Sigma: If you had more of them, you could distribute the weight! 21:34 < sigma> On islands ("skylands") it can have its more usual function. 21:35 < Kelish> bk 21:35 < Evenstar> (Skylands) 21:35 < Teceler> wb Kel 21:35 < Evenstar> (hee) 21:35 < Kelish> sunset p much over 21:35 < Kelish> but very nice 21:35 < Kelish> a little green 21:35 < Evenstar> (Also, I feel like skylimes could be useful in skytopia) 21:35 < Kelish> Skylands! 21:35 < Kelish> :D 21:35 < Teceler> oh, it feels like it should say, how many slices per lime? 21:35 < Kelish> ... Does Skytopia wanna talk cities with Glazed? 21:35 < Teceler> pfft 21:36 <@Sonata> 6 slices per lime, because a slice is 1/6. 21:36 < Teceler> --oh 21:36 < Teceler> that's 1/6 slices not 1/6 of a slice 21:36 < Teceler> okay that makes sense 21:36 < sigma> Skylimes would probably be a big hit even if you couldn't go anywhere with them, people there want to fly. But also you can probably go places with them! 21:37 < Kelish> oh I also need to lanterntag 21:37 < Evenstar> Fixed! 21:37 * Verdancy finishes reading backscroll 21:37 < Kelish> priority preferences? 21:37 < Kelish> oh I should also do that 21:37 < Evenstar> Skylimes still taste like lime, though 21:37 < Kelish> Limes are delicious! 21:38 < Evenstar> (I personally would probably not eat a whole lime or lime slice, too sour >.>) 21:38 < Andygal> can you make skylimade with them? 21:38 <@Sonata> do skylimes retain their potency if squeezed and mixed with sugar to make limeade? 21:38 < Andygal> pffft. 21:38 <@Sonata> ...itstandsfor 21:38 < Teceler> ...so, because I expect Lizzie to try this, what happens if you try to /grow/ skylimes? :P 21:38 < Verdancy> heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 21:38 < Evenstar> Andygal, Sonata: You'll lose some potency from the parts you don't use, but it'll give you some flight time! 21:38 < Evenstar> Teceler: They're growable! 21:38 < Verdancy> eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 21:38 < Teceler> XD 21:39 < Evenstar> (OTC does not supply a seedless variety) 21:39 < Verdancy> that is nice of em 21:39 < Andygal> OTC is superior to Monsanto. 21:39 < Verdancy> pffffffthahaha 21:39 < Teceler> (Firewall will probably /also/ do that once they hear that that is a thing XD) 21:39 < Teceler> pfft 21:39 < sigma> Maybe OTC should sell miracle berry, it sounds like magic but it isn't 21:39 < Verdancy> Lizzie does actually already have flight options 21:39 < Verdancy> Skylime is probably superior for flying, though 21:39 < Kelish> oh hey welcome back Verdancy! 21:40 < Verdancy> Oh! 21:40 < Verdancy> Thanks! Welcome back yourself! 21:40 < Kelish> ... Lantern could also probably sell flight harnesses 21:40 < Kelish> thanks!] 21:40 < Kelish> *thanks! 21:40 < Evenstar> Miracle Berry is very cool! 21:40 < Evenstar> (Also, I need to think up what stats Ahrotahn gets provided to her on the front screen of her autocatalog) 21:40 < Verdancy> Lizzie bribes fairies with lemonade and cookies to come over to her house and give her fairy dust 21:41 < Evenstar> ("Number of universes visited") 21:41 < Kelish> but they probably won't because people probably couldn't make ballast 21:41 <@Sonata> Lantern's flight harnesses probably need to be tied down pretty heavily hen not in use 21:41 < Evenstar> ("Number of puzzles solved") 21:41 <@Sonata> heeee 21:41 < Kelish> yeah 21:41 < Kelish> XD 21:41 < Teceler> pffft 21:41 < Evenstar> ("Number of books read") 21:41 < Evenstar> (etc) 21:41 < Kelish> Number of characters talked to? 21:41 <@Sonata> /puzzles solved/ though 21:41 < Kelish> XD 21:41 < Andygal> number of takkarash minted? 21:42 < Evenstar> That might be on a separate screen. 21:43 < Kelish> number of Xs collected? 21:43 < Kelish> er. *[X]s 21:44 -!- sigma_ has joined #backstage 21:44 <@Sonata> I was imagining it more like a lifelogger than an achievements screen, this is delightful 21:44 < Kelish> :D 21:44 < Evenstar> I was thinking more like 'flavours of pain tried', 'longest minting session', etc 21:44 < Kelish> last thing seen sigma? 21:44 < Evenstar> Sonata: It also does that! 21:44 < Kelish> number of gyms defeated? 21:44 <@Sonata> haha 21:44 < Andygal> this is delightful. 21:44 < Evenstar> It will happily tell you how many rocks you've kicked since you owned it. And that too! 21:44 < Kelish> awwwww 21:45 < Kelish> Ooh! Pinecones! 21:45 < Kelish> How many games of rock-paper-scissors thing one 21:45 < Evenstar> Yep! 21:45 < Kelish> not gemedet the other one 21:45 < Kelish> with the bug and paper 21:45 <@Sonata> Ahyoheek 21:45 < Kelish> yeah! 21:45 < Kelish> I think! 21:45 < Kelish> *How many ... won 21:45 -!- sigma has quit 21:45 < Kelish> kyd 21:46 < Evenstar> The Autocatalog is kind of like your own personal mesh. It records basically everything that ever happens within your sensory range and displays it in interesting ways for you when you query it. 21:46 < Teceler> pfft 21:46 < Kelish> ooh 21:46 < Kelish> are there graphs? 21:46 < Kelish> :D 21:46 < Kelish> Can you get graphs? 21:46 < Evenstar> There are graphs! 21:47 < Kelish> :D :D :D yay!~ 21:47 < Evenstar> You can get 'minutes spent on X' from it really trivially 21:47 < Kelish> =) 21:48 < Kelish> Ooh number of interesting rocks seen? 21:48 < Evenstar> and anything else that would make sense on an achievements or stats screen 21:48 < Kelish> can there be pictures of them? 21:48 < Evenstar> Kelish: Yep! 21:48 < Kelish> oh 21:48 -!- Kelish is now known as Kel 21:48 < Evenstar> It can even give you a map of their last known locations! 21:48 < Kel> ooh 21:48 < Kel> that sounds really useful 21:48 < Kel> this is a useful thing and I want one 21:48 < Teceler> how does it determine 'interesting' Evenstar? 21:49 < Kel> number of places visited? 21:49 < Evenstar> (It's sort of like having Intellectus for things you've encountered before!) 21:49 < Evenstar> Teceler: Did you pay attention to the rock? 21:49 < Kel> other possibility 21:49 < Kel> Teceler: was it a rock? 21:49 < Teceler> pfft 21:50 < Andygal> You know this could be useful for record keeping. 21:50 < Evenstar> That is its #1 purpose. 21:50 * Kel sends copy to Unnael? 21:50 * Kel read that as Miku purpose for a sec 21:50 < Evenstar> (Hee) 21:51 < Evenstar> OTC has most of its higher-level executives carry these while they're at work, so it can go over each day in detail whenever it needs to. 21:52 < Evenstar> (At that level, as a multiversal trade corp, it's really really important to keep excruciatingly good records) 21:52 < sigma_> Kel, I first thought of bringing Eskay in because of the connection to Lantern's and Botanical Engineer's worlds. 21:52 < Evenstar> (Or you could accidentally ship a box of magical artifacts to Fractal.) 21:52 -!- sigma_ is now known as sigma 21:52 < Kel> Yay! 21:52 < Teceler> Evenstar: that would be bad yes XD 21:53 < Andygal> Anda could buy several, and use them to keep track of selyn collection and dispension, etc. 21:53 < Evenstar> (OTC judges it's better to intrude a little onto the work lives of its employees than to risk accidental apocalypses.) 21:53 < Kel> taht is probably reasonable 21:53 < Verdancy> Lizzie: what's a briefcase and why does the lab have to fit inside it to be portable? 21:53 < Andygal> ahahaha 21:54 < sigma> But I haven't followed up on it because the canon is hella ambiguous on the size of skylands. 21:54 < Kel> aw 21:54 < Evenstar> Verdancy: Translation convention applies here 21:54 < Kel> make stuff up? 21:54 < Teceler> XD 21:55 < Verdancy> ....in which case now she finds out that people in other universes do not have infinite inventories 21:55 < Teceler> pffffft 21:55 < Andygal> pffffft 21:55 < Kel> I have done a lot of that for Eventide 21:55 < Sky> is Lizzie boggling at OTC offering Infinite Inventory Method? 21:55 < Evenstar> (Hee.) 21:55 < sigma> Would the inventory solution tip her off? 21:55 < sigma> What Sky said 21:55 < Verdancy> I hadn't even seen that yet 21:55 < Verdancy> this is going to be fun 21:56 < Evenstar> (Incidentally, Icy Touch of Iron /should/ allow people to use magic in aggressively-nonmagical universes.) 21:56 < Evenstar> (It is absolutely rediculously expensive however.) 21:57 < Andygal> also if M2 goes to Goal, Lizzie will find out that going there does bestow inventories on other people. 21:57 < sigma> A useful superpower! 21:58 <@Sonata> (but do you /keep/ the inventory when you leave) 21:58 < Verdancy> You do, unless the universe you're going to doesn't support it 21:58 < Kel> can you put a person in your inventory? 21:58 < Verdancy> In which case it waits politely in goal 21:58 < Verdancy> Nope 21:58 < Kel> aw 21:58 < Verdancy> Well, actually 21:58 < Kel> XD 21:58 < Andygal> You can put live fish in your inventory. 21:58 < Teceler> XD 21:59 <@Sonata> But can you plumbob those same fish? 21:59 < Verdancy> What things you can put in an inventory, like most things in goal, depend on what people /think/ you should be able to put in an inventory 21:59 < Kel> hee 21:59 < Verdancy> so if you can get enough people to clap their hands and say they believe... 21:59 < Teceler> Eclipse will put up with it right up to when someone abuses the infinite with a star-sized mass 21:59 < Verdancy> hee 21:59 < Teceler> (or larger) 21:59 < Verdancy> Sonata: you could uplift the fish afterwards? Maybe? 21:59 < Andygal> Singer's universe is totally OK with infinite inventories I think. 22:00 * Kel is imagining exasperated chibeclipse 22:00 < Verdancy> But they are not people fish 22:00 < Verdancy> Lizzie is going to want to set up a rotating door or something 22:00 < Kel> Garden thinks that the inventories should contain things that are all the same substance 22:00 < Kel> but can be persuaded 22:00 < Verdancy> so people can pop into goal and get infinite inventories and ghostliness 22:00 < Kel> yay 22:01 < Kel> what happens to infected ghosts? 22:01 < Andygal> Lizzie is a good. Have I said this enough times yet? 22:01 < Verdancy> Ghostliness would fight with being daeva-set, though, I think, and that's superior 22:01 < Verdancy> Andygal: :) 22:01 < Verdancy> Um, exsurgent ghosts would be 22:01 < Verdancy> a problem 22:01 < Teceler> bad? 22:01 < Verdancy> bad 22:01 < Verdancy> very bad 22:01 < Andygal> Too much on fire? 22:01 < Kel> ;D 22:01 < Kel> *:D 22:01 < Kel> NO SUCH THING 22:01 < Verdancy> House-burning-down 22:01 < Kel> except when it is 22:01 < Teceler> pfft 22:01 < Kel> yaaaay 22:01 < Kel> Do you wanna set a fire? 22:01 < Kel> Come on let's go and play 22:01 < Teceler> Verdancy: how cooperative is Goal going to be with Eclipse's definition of death? 22:01 < Andygal> Verdancy: when by "house" you meant "universe"? 22:02 < Verdancy> Andygal: yep XD 22:02 < Verdancy> Teceler: um. /really/ not 22:02 < Teceler> oh dear XD 22:02 < Teceler> this results in a universe fight doesn't it XD 22:02 < Verdancy> If Eclipse people get ghosted their are going to be duplicates /everywhere/ 22:02 < Verdancy> yep XD 22:02 < Verdancy> *there are 22:03 < Teceler> hm 22:03 < Verdancy> You can, of course, just declined to have them ghosted 22:03 < Kel> XD 22:03 < Verdancy> *decline 22:03 < sigma> How can we tell which universes will support inventories? 22:04 < Kel> science? 22:04 < Evenstar> *house* 22:04 < Teceler> I think if Eclipse notices how aggressive that thing is about it's deaht-definition, it will strip ability-to-have-a-Goal-ghost off of anyone who goes in it 22:04 < Teceler> pfft 22:04 < Verdancy> You could make an educated guess from what you know about the universe? 22:04 < Teceler> and be unhappy 22:04 < Verdancy> pfft, Evenstar 22:04 < Andygal> Teceler: pfffft. 22:04 < Verdancy> Teceler: ~universe fight~ 22:04 < Andygal> that's kind of obnoxious. 22:04 * Kel really wishes to see human version of this 22:04 < Andygal> Slapfest! 22:04 < Verdancy> pfffffffffffffffffffft 22:05 < Andygal> acccctually. 22:05 < Verdancy> Goal: u wanna gO??? 22:05 < Teceler> Andygal: Eclipse: /Goal/ is really obnoxious about it's definition of death! I am just keeping that from having horrible side effects! 22:05 < Evenstar> (Now I want to do meta-MWF with a bunch of universe-chibis) 22:05 -!- sigma_ has joined #backstage 22:05 * Andygal imagines Eclipse and Goal in a Sims style fight cloud. 22:05 < sigma_> Or: How much work on the part of the universe does it take to support it? 22:05 < Verdancy> pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft Andygal 22:05 < Verdancy> I can't 22:05 < Teceler> pfffft 22:05 < Verdancy> oh my god 22:05 < sigma_> (Gdi GCI) 22:06 < Teceler> (?) 22:06 * Verdancy pats Sigma's poor connection 22:06 < sigma_> Universe fight! Universe fight! 22:06 < Kel> :D 22:06 < Verdancy> :D 22:06 < Teceler> ...can Eclipse get the ghostness to wait in Goal for them to leave Eclipse? 22:06 < Kel> Teceler, what does human!Eclipse look like? 22:06 < Verdancy> sure. 22:06 < Teceler> that works then 22:06 < Kel> Verdancy, what does human!Goal look like? 22:06 < Verdancy> A very angry redhead. 22:07 < Teceler> pffffffft 22:07 -!- sigma has quit 22:07 < Kel> what are they wearing? 22:07 -!- sigma_ is now known as sigma 22:07 < Kel> also is a reference? 22:07 < Verdancy> .....if you describe Eclipse, Teceler, I could 22:07 < Verdancy> you know 22:07 < Verdancy> simfight 22:07 < Kel> heeee 22:08 < Verdancy> Yeah, I don't have any reference or anything 22:08 < Teceler> pffft 22:08 < Kel> Is it a reference to somethign 22:08 < Verdancy> I am just pretty sure Goal would be a very angry redhead 22:08 < Verdancy> Um 22:08 < Teceler> I don't have a clear idea of human!Eclipse 22:08 < Verdancy> possibly but I can't remember 22:08 < Teceler> and I am trying to sendingscience 22:08 < Kel> oh sorry 22:09 * Andygal imagines human!Goal as Nina Caliente now. 22:09 -!- sigma_ has joined #backstage 22:09 < Verdancy> pffffffft 22:09 < Verdancy> Nah 22:10 -!- sigma has quit 22:10 * Kel has vague mental image of Eclipse as wearing a lot of black with some nifty attachments and some glowy stuff 22:10 < Kel> kyd 22:10 < Verdancy> hee 22:10 < Verdancy> kyd? 22:11 < Kel> KILL YOUR DOUBLE 22:11 < Teceler> pfft 22:11 < Verdancy> ih 22:11 < Verdancy> um 22:11 < Verdancy> oh 22:11 < Verdancy> ...whatever, ih is yes in Stitch-language anyway 22:11 < Teceler> ... [hugs for Verdancy?] 22:11 < Kel> [hug?] 22:11 < Kel> should I not? 22:12 < Verdancy> hugs are unnecessary but always appreciated 22:12 < Verdancy> *hugs* 22:12 < Verdancy> I just typo'd, that's all 22:12 < Teceler> okay 22:13 < Teceler> I wasn't sure how much of that was at the typo, and such 22:13 < Verdancy> okay 22:13 < Verdancy> (Hugs are excellent always) 22:13 -!- sigma_ is now known as sigma 22:13 < Verdancy> (But I am not upset) 22:13 < Kel> ok 22:13 < Verdancy> Sigma do you exist? 22:13 < Kel> [hugs!] 22:13 < Verdancy> *hugs* 22:13 < Teceler> sigma is bouncing a lot 22:13 < Verdancy> yay hugs! 22:13 < Verdancy> yeah 22:14 < Andygal> (hugs) 22:14 < Andygal> (also hugs for annoyed Eclipse) 22:15 < Teceler> Eclipse: [/likes ghosts as a concept/] 22:15 < Kel> XD 22:15 < Kel> Eventide: [dances around smugly] 22:15 < Verdancy> Goal: fIGHT ME 22:15 < Kel> XD 22:15 < Kel> Awwwwww! 22:15 < Teceler> Eclipse: [eyes Eventide] 22:15 < Verdancy> heeeeeeee 22:15 < Andygal> just doesn't like Goal's definition of death? 22:15 < Teceler> (why is Eventide being smug XD) 22:16 < Kel> Eventide has /real/ ghosts 22:16 < Kel> that /work/ 22:16 < Verdancy> What makes a real ghost? 22:16 < Teceler> it doesn't like Goal being obnoxious about it's definition of death, mostly 22:16 < Kel> And Goal /doesn't~/ 22:16 < Andygal> define work? 22:16 < Verdancy> Kel, is Eventide being living-ist? 22:16 < Teceler> pfffffft 22:16 < Kel> hm 22:16 < Kel> Night Vale specifically allows ghosts to marry 22:16 < Kel> but that was note-worthy 22:16 < Kel> so maybe? 22:17 < Kel> but it thinks its ghosts are real ghosts 22:17 < Teceler> Eclipse: @Eventide: [makes vague gesture at the amount of stuff it had to hack around Eventide ghost mechanics to make them work for it] 22:17 < Kel> XD 22:17 < Kel> Eventide: [is special and worth it] 22:17 < Verdancy> hee 22:17 < Verdancy> aww 22:18 < Evenstar> Human!Gap is probably an ambiguously-gendered gothy kid with an asymmetrical haircut and a notebook filled with incomplete stories. "NO! KEEP GOING!" 22:18 < Andygal> are Eventide's ghosts evil and out to get you? 22:18 < Verdancy> Ghosts in goal can do everything non-ghost people can do 22:18 < Kel> heeeeeee 22:18 -!- sigma has quit 22:18 < Teceler> Eclipse: no, you were just nice enough to not fight with me about whether that could happen 22:18 * Kel wants to scoop up Human!Gap and cuddles 22:18 < Verdancy> pffft, Gap 22:19 < Verdancy> Gap has all the WIPs 22:19 < Teceler> pfft Gap 22:19 < Kel> XD XD XD 22:19 * Andygal has no clear image of Human!Unity at present. 22:19 < Verdancy> Half of them haven't been updated in the last three years 22:19 < Kel> OH gosh 22:19 < Kel> imagine Gap writing fanfic 22:19 < Evenstar> Gap: NO, STOP HUGGING ME *snuggles closer* 22:19 < Kel> <3 22:19 < Teceler> pfft 22:19 < Kel> *patpat* 22:19 -!- sigma has joined #backstage 22:19 < Verdancy> One of them /just/ got an update but the one before that was six months ago and there are only three chapters 22:19 < Kel> Gap is too cute 22:19 < Verdancy> WB Sigma? 22:19 < sigma> Well, I exist_ed_ 22:19 < Kel> [hug?] 22:20 * Verdancy offers hugs 22:20 < Andygal> Gap is being a cute! 22:20 < Evenstar> Verdancy: Hee, yep 22:20 < sigma> Ironically, I dropped right after "I exist". 22:20 < Teceler> pfft 22:20 < Kel> Eventide: well /I/ got what I wanted by /cooperating/ and /Goal/ /didn't/ 22:20 < Teceler> I don't think that actually came though 22:20 < sigma> [Hug] 22:20 < Kel> Eventide: [sticks tongue out at Goal while Eclipse's back is turned] 22:21 < Kel> *tongues 22:21 < Verdancy> Goal: do /u/ wanna go?????!!!!?? 22:21 < Andygal> *cackles* 22:21 < Kel> Eventide: YES I WANNA GO 22:21 < Teceler> Eclipse: ...okay I'll give you that one. Goal doesn't have most of your random horror though 22:21 < Teceler> pfft 22:21 < Teceler> Eclipse: [sighs] 22:21 < Verdancy> *slapfight* 22:21 < Evenstar> Gap: *sits back, eats popcorn* 22:21 < Kel> Eventide: MEET ME IN THE PIT 22:21 < Verdancy> pfft 22:21 < Verdancy> heeee 22:21 < Verdancy> omg 22:21 < Kel> OF WOLVES 22:21 < Kel> AND DOOM 22:21 < sigma> I forgot what's Gap 22:21 < Verdancy> omg 22:21 < Kel> Gap is Isabella Lioncourt's 22:22 < sigma> Ok 22:22 < Andygal> Gap: *keeps throwing fuel on the fire so the fight goes on forever* 22:22 < Kel> it doesn't like completion 22:22 < Teceler> Eclipse: [presses fingers against temples] [tries to work out what to do about this] 22:22 < Verdancy> /omg/ 22:22 < Evenstar> Sigma: Gap's metacausality is about 'I hate endings' 22:22 < sigma> Ah, I see, thanks. 22:22 < Evenstar> Gap doesn't care wether endings are sad or happy, it hates all of them equally 22:22 <@Adelene> (Carp's form is basically Lurker's 'shank' icon.) 22:22 < Kel> pff 22:22 < Kel> .... does Gap go to movies and complain when they end? 22:23 < Evenstar> Kel: "It was way too short and not as good as the books, I can't wait for the third one to finally come out" 22:23 < Kel> <3 <3 <3 22:23 < Kel> oh gosh oh gosh 22:23 < Teceler> pfffft 22:23 * Kel flails 22:23 < Verdancy> pfft 22:23 < Teceler> also, Eclipse is apparently attempting to be a Responsible Adult here XDXDXD 22:23 < Kel> XD 22:23 < Verdancy> pfft omg 22:24 < Verdancy> this is the best thing 22:24 < Kel> Garden is that one person with a /lot/ of pockets 22:24 < Kel> and the exact same amount of stuff in every pocket 22:24 < Verdancy> omg hee 22:24 < Kel> and like. constantly producing things from a pocket 22:24 < sigma> Verdancy: I am here mostly. Should be more stable now on Wi-Fi. GCI is a flaky mobile carrier (their strength is in covering places no one else does, not in. Uh. Other things than that) 22:24 < Andygal> Unity believes in tough love I think. 22:25 < Verdancy> Sigma: Okay! Good luck. 22:25 < Verdancy> Goal just wants to fight everyone. 22:25 <@Sonata> unity: Earn Your Happy Ending? 22:25 < Kel> Glazed: [glances at the amount of EVIL in Unity] 22:25 < Evenstar> (Meanwhile, the 45th World is off in a completely different direction tending to excessively strange plants) 22:25 < Andygal> Sonata: Yes. 22:25 < Teceler> Eclipse: @Goal: [sighs] 22:25 < Kel> awwww 22:25 < Teceler> Evenstar: pfffft 22:25 < Kel> oh gosh 22:25 < Verdancy> heeee 22:25 < Kel> Does 45th like weird music? 22:25 < Andygal> heeeee 22:26 * Kel wants to hug almost /all/ the worlds 22:26 < sigma> Idk about Greater Spider Zone, but Spider Zone proper is 22:26 < sigma> A spider 22:26 < Evenstar> It /does/, but it especially likes soft-voices ballads with cryptic lyrics, set to lone guitar 22:26 < Kel> pf 22:26 < Teceler> pffffft 22:26 < Kel> <3 <3 <3 22:26 < Kel> Awwww 22:26 * Kel would like to hug 45th 22:26 < Evenstar> (That is an actual thing that happened on 45th) 22:27 < Kel> Maybe Spider Zone has a spider costume or is an anthro spider? 22:27 < Kel> Otherwise there is a problem with this Human!AU 22:27 < Teceler> XD 22:27 < Andygal> Spider Zone actually has lots of things that aren't spiders in it! 22:27 < Verdancy> Spider zone as three spiders in a trenchcoat 22:27 < Teceler> pfft 22:27 < Kel> XD 22:27 < sigma> Hahaha 22:28 <@Adelene> pfft 22:28 < Verdancy> :P 22:28 < Verdancy> You know, I can't shake the feeling that there's something...strange about Spider Zone. 22:28 < Verdancy> Maybe it's all the bugs they eat? 22:28 < Verdancy> Oh. Probably that. 22:28 < Teceler> XD 22:29 < sigma> Spider Zone world has a lot more places than just spider places, so can be presumed not to be a spider. 22:29 < Teceler> or the fact that they always wear that trenchcoat? 22:29 < Teceler> :P 22:29 <@Sonata> @whoever is doing the spreadsheet, what are you doing with column C 22:29 < Verdancy> pfft XD 22:29 < Verdancy> Sigma: Okay! 22:29 < Verdancy> (I am just being silly) 22:29 < Teceler> Sonata: math. I will delete it when I'm done but I got distracted by sendingscience sorry 22:29 <@Sonata> ah ok 22:30 < sigma> Being silly is fun. 22:30 < Kel> Eventide: HEY There is nothing wrong with eating bugs. or being several lizards in a trenchcoat 22:30 * Verdancy nods 22:30 < Kel> Or whatever 22:30 < Verdancy> pfffffffffy 22:30 < Kel> Not that I /am/ 22:30 < Verdancy> *pffffffffffft 22:30 < Kel> but just saying 22:30 < Verdancy> omg 22:30 < Teceler> pffft Eventide XD 22:30 < Verdancy> suspiciously specific denial 22:30 < Evenstar> (Incidentally, this is what the 45thworld sounds like: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19512008/Autophobia.mp3 ) 22:30 < Kel> Eventide: WHO TOLD YOU THAT THAT WAS A THING WHO TALKED 22:30 < Teceler> Eclipse: well... you? 22:30 < Verdancy> pfffffffffffft 22:30 < Kel> Eventide: no the spider thing 22:30 < Verdancy> Carp: *looks around* 22:31 < Verdancy> Carp: *starts shanking people* 22:31 < Teceler> pffffft 22:31 < Kel> this will be a fun party! 22:31 <@Adelene> heee, yup. 22:31 < Verdancy> pffffft omg 22:31 < Teceler> Eclipse: [sighs] [takes measures to restrain] 22:31 < Kel> Glazed is vewry excited about this! 22:31 < Kel> *very 22:31 < Verdancy> omg 22:31 < Verdancy> aww, Glazed 22:31 < Kel> Glazed wants to know how everything is 22:31 < Verdancy> My little brother just knocked on my door and asked me why I was laughing so hard 22:31 < Kel> aww 22:31 < Teceler> pfffft 22:31 <@Adelene> pfft 22:31 < Verdancy> :D 22:32 < Kel> <# 22:32 < Kel> *<3 22:32 <@Sonata> <6 22:32 < Verdancy> pffffffft 22:32 < Kel> <720 22:32 < Verdancy> omg 22:32 < Kel> ooh this is pretty Evenstar 22:32 < Verdancy> ...now I have hiccups 22:32 < Kel> ... does anyone want to make this happen? 22:32 < Kel> sorry 22:32 < Kel> [hug at hiccup?] 22:32 < Kel> Boo? 22:33 < Verdancy> No, it's fine! 22:33 < sigma> Now I'm worried if some of these will get MWF accounts. 22:33 < Kel> XD 22:33 < Verdancy> omg Sigma 22:33 < Kel> I wonder what Esthfora's world is like 22:33 * Verdancy hugs Kel anyway 22:33 < Kel> :p 22:33 < Kel> [hug!] 22:33 < Teceler> Kel: it is Esthfora 22:33 < Teceler> :P 22:33 < Kel> XD 22:33 < Verdancy> Her. It's just. Her. 22:33 < Verdancy> Adorable rainbow goddess. 22:33 < Kel> who knows 22:33 < Kel> it is a myster 22:33 < Kel> *mystery 22:33 < Kel> unknowable 22:33 < Teceler> I'm pretty sure we know it's 'Esthfora' Kel XD 22:33 < Kel> We will never know 22:34 < Andygal> It is full of rainbows. 22:34 < Kel> XD 22:34 < Andygal> and also orz-fish. 22:34 < Kel> sure that's a possibility 22:34 < sigma> Esthfora has been established to be a world person already, like Mother Starlight our Home. 22:34 < Kel> I respect that hypothesis 22:34 < Kel> yeah 22:34 < Kel> I am being silly 22:34 < Kel> ... is that a typo? 22:34 < Kel> it is true though 22:34 < Evenstar> Kel: <3 22:34 < Evenstar> I'm hoping I will find more of Lausari's songs, they did a few 22:35 <@Sonata> Evenstar, what's going on with Miku? (MS is about to notice the situation.) 22:35 < Kel> [hugs for MotherStarlight who is our home] 22:35 < sigma> It is a typo 22:35 < Verdancy> ♬♪♩~it is a mystery~ 22:35 * MotherStarlight hugs back. 22:35 < Teceler> --awww 22:35 < Verdancy> awww 22:36 < sigma> This keyboard has great trouble with or/our, similarly oh/ooh, etc. 22:36 < Andygal> my keyboard likes to eat letters. 22:36 < Kel> are they tastey 22:36 < Kel> [eeee hugs!] 22:36 -!- FacelessDude has quit 22:37 < Andygal> Kel: apparently. 22:37 < Teceler> XD 22:37 < Kel> yay 22:37 < Kel> I hope it is nourished 22:38 < Kel> maybe it preserves batteries? 22:38 < Evenstar> Sonata: MS has given a single forum account to about five million Mikus, because they were similar enough to appear to be one person in the way that Orz is. 22:38 <@Sonata> oh /dear/ 22:38 < Andygal> ... 22:38 < Kel> that is many 22:38 < Evenstar> (All the Miku models register as one /self/ because it's a situation like the Gavs of the Schlockverse) 22:39 <@Sonata> (The Gavs are /clearly/ seperate people imo) 22:39 < Evenstar> (They're esssentially all forks of one another with some level of divergence) 22:39 < Teceler> I feel like MS would give forks different accounts? 22:39 < Teceler> if they were very divergant? 22:39 < Andygal> that's a lot of forks. 22:39 <@Sonata> (If Gav registered an account /before/ manyforking, they'd share the account after but be encouraged to get new ones. If they registered /after/, they'd start out separate.) 22:39 < Teceler> heh, yeah 22:40 < Evenstar> (As are the Mikus, but with a lot of shared culture/magic weirdnesses regarding songs) 22:40 < Teceler> like, if they /wanted/ to share that would be one thing? but 22:40 < Andygal> probably MS should just tell them to pick a representative. 22:40 < Evenstar> Sonata: In that case it's possible that MS just got a small manycluster of Mikus. 22:40 < Evenstar> Maybe twenty or so who were particularly close in personality. 22:41 < sigma> "#1" in this case is ironic. 22:42 < Evenstar> But also accurate! 22:42 < Evenstar> It's an account for Model#1!~ 22:43 <@Sonata> So how did the second one to log in get the password? 22:43 < Evenstar> (Which happens to have several million individual Mikus made from that template :P) 22:43 < sigma> And ironic. 22:43 < Evenstar> Sonata: Miku thoughtprocesses are similar enough that they picked the same password! 22:43 <@Sonata> Hah. 22:43 < Teceler> pfft 22:43 < Andygal> hahaah 22:44 < Kel> awww 22:44 < Kel> that is cute 22:44 < Evenstar> (Mikus can draw each other forever at rock-paper-scissors.) 22:44 <@Adelene> How did the second one know to try to log in, rather than signing up on their own? 22:44 < Kel> I actually have achieved several minutes of RPS ties by accident 22:44 < Evenstar> Adelene: They tried, then found that it said 'you already have an account', shrugged, thought that they had just been there before, and tried their standard password 22:45 < Evenstar> And it worked! 22:45 < Teceler> heh 22:45 < Andygal> *giggles* 22:45 < Kel> :D 22:45 < Kel> that is cute 22:45 <@Adelene> heh 22:45 * Kel warmfuzzes at 22:45 < Evenstar> <3 22:46 < Evenstar> Mikus are all forks of each other, Gakupos are all forks of each other, etc. 22:46 < Andygal> so many forks! 22:46 < Evenstar> Miku's world has hundreds of kinds of people, but there's a few million of each type 22:47 < Evenstar> So you can quickly get a quick idea of most people's personalities just by how they look. 22:47 <@Sonata> 'hundreds of kinds of people' = not actually very many 22:47 < Evenstar> (because the number-of-models is low enough that you'll have met most of the types before at some point.) 22:47 < Evenstar> (Yep!) 22:48 < Sky> so does this password thing happen a lot in that world? 22:48 < Evenstar> Sky: In that world they tend to use heartsongs along with passwords for two-factor identification. 22:49 < Evenstar> (Each individual person in Miku's world has an associated piece of music.) 22:49 < Evenstar> (Some groups of people share heartsongs and are true forks of each other. Others have more of a cousin or fork-of-fork relation.) 22:50 * Andygal suggests "Symphony" as a name for the world? 22:50 < Evenstar> (Model & Heartsong together give you the majority of someone's personality, but heartsongs are very private.) 22:51 < Evenstar> (Some heartsongs are good, some are bad, just like people can be good and bad. The worst heartsongs are infectiously bad.) 22:51 < Andygal> ... 22:51 < Andygal> infectiously bad? 22:51 < Kel> :( 22:51 < Kel> gosh 22:52 < Kel> imagine listening to your own heart and finding out that you were evil 22:52 < Kel> :( 22:52 < Evenstar> (They can cause other Models that interact closely with the affected Model to gain their Heartsong.) 22:52 < Teceler> ...aaaa 22:52 < Kel> ooh 22:52 < Kel> I see a potential fire! 22:52 < Andygal> ohgod. 22:52 < Kel> Teceler! :D 22:52 < Teceler> ? 22:52 < Kel> Evenstar! 22:52 < Kel> Do you wanna set a fire? 22:52 < Evenstar> (But on the other hand, there are also heartsongs that are infectiously good and nice and will ask if you want to adopt them.) 22:52 < Evenstar> Kel: Maybe! 22:53 < Andygal> Evenstar: awwww. 22:53 < Kel> if you have someone's <3song do you turn into basically them?? 22:53 < Kel> Even if someone is nice, I don't want to be them 22:53 < Evenstar> Kel: Not quite, because you can write your /own/ heartsong. 22:53 < Kel> ok 22:53 < Kel> that is less sad 22:53 < Evenstar> It'll naturally be affected by the heartsong you currently keep 22:54 < Evenstar> but it's not a fully-deterministic thing, especially if you have help from someone else. 22:55 < Evenstar> The DRT is the Dissonance Resolution Taskforce. 22:55 < Evenstar> Their job is to go around with excessively happy heartsongs and help mikus with terrible heartsongs rewrite them to be more happy and uplifting. 22:55 < Kel> what if they don't want to? 22:55 < Evenstar> (While still being recognizably themselves) 22:56 < Evenstar> Then the DRT will quarantine the model on a world where they can't infect anyone else, if their heartsong is bad enough that they're putting others at risk. 22:57 < Evenstar> If they simply don't want help and they're not a danger to others, then the DRT will drop it. 22:57 < Andygal> a nice world? 22:57 < Evenstar> Andygal: As nice as possible while it's a major source of Dissonance, but they do try to have it be as comfortable as possible. 22:58 < Evenstar> (There is a social movement going on in Symphony to accept those with sad Heartsongs) 22:58 < Andygal> ooh you adopted my name for it! 22:58 < Andygal> <3 22:59 < Evenstar> (Recently, a model has been specifically built to make living with a sad or angry Heartsong easier.) 22:59 < Kel> :) 22:59 < Kel> ooh what sort of person is Symphony? 22:59 < Evenstar> (This is the 'Yowane Haku' model.) 22:59 < Evenstar> Symphony loves music, obviously! 22:59 < Kel> pf 23:00 < Teceler> heh 23:00 < Andygal> Female, wild hair colour? 23:00 < Evenstar> Symphony as a whole... Is probably really really nice 99.99% of the time, and is murderous the remaining 0.01% of the time. 23:00 < Evenstar> And yes, female with a wild hair color. 23:00 < Andygal> ahahahaha 23:00 < Kel> yay! 23:00 < sigma> I've been trying to figure out what sort of person is Skytopia 23:01 < Kel> what are meta rules or preferences? 23:01 < Evenstar> (Symphony doesn't have average badness) 23:01 < Evenstar> (Either it is really nice or it is terrible, on the whole) 23:01 < Teceler> (pfft) 23:01 < Andygal> it obviously really likes forking. 23:01 < Evenstar> ('I had a bad day' doesn't happen, but 'I miscarried'/'I lost my best friend'/'I'm living in a terrible dystopian hellhole' happen.) 23:02 < Kel> huh 23:02 < Evenstar> (Basically, if you could write a good dramatic song about the terrible thing happening it can happen) 23:02 < Evenstar> (But if not, then it doesn't) 23:02 < Teceler> huh 23:03 < Evenstar> (Relationship drama is one of the more common ways that a Heartsong can cause problems for its owner.) 23:03 < Kel> oh? 23:03 < Evenstar> (Yes, because you have a heartsong that's a breakup song.) 23:03 < Kel> aw 23:04 < sigma> Skytopia has a really big tone dissonance close to the heart. It is full of cheerful cartoonish animal people who also shoot each other's aircraft out of the sky into the ocean. 23:04 < Teceler> Evenstar, you were going to add the Dyne rate? 23:04 < Evenstar> Oh yes sorry! 23:04 < Kel> wait is that a thing? 23:06 < sigma> Evenstar, what if your heartsong is https://youtu.be/LWDatoNEEB8 23:07 < sigma> Kel is what a thing? 23:07 < Kel> skytopia 23:07 < Andygal> what if your heartsong is about suicidal depression? 23:07 < Kel> :( 23:07 < Andygal> skytopia is Eskay's world I think. 23:07 < Kel> yeah bthe thing it does 23:07 < Kel> with the sds 23:08 < Kel> *sads 23:08 < sigma> Its source canon is at skyrates.net 23:10 < Kel> huh 23:10 < Kel> I don't have time to look at now 23:10 < Kel> ... speaking of 23:10 < Kel> wtf 23:10 < Teceler> [hugs] 23:10 < Kel> [hugs] 23:10 < Kel> it's been fun 23:11 < Kel> should probably sleep soon 23:11 < Evenstar> Andygal: That happens and is what the DRT is for. 23:11 < Andygal> :( 23:11 < Evenstar> They are there to be essentially therapist-composers. 23:11 < sigma> The polite interpretation of the shooting down is everybody gets rescued by the salvagers. 23:12 * Teceler pokes at Niryl 23:12 < sigma> Opinions on its accuracy vary in the canon. I haven't decided for here. 23:12 <@Sonata> (also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH476CxJxfg re: sigma's question) 23:12 < Evenstar> There is also a heartsong about 'I'm dying, but I'm going to sing about everything good that happened to me first at the fastest speed I can' 23:12 < Verdancy> What if your heartsong is 23:12 < Verdancy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT6LFOIofRE 23:13 < Evenstar> Verdancy: Then you are probably part of the DRT 23:13 < Verdancy> omg 23:13 < Andygal> Oh I have a forumtag. 23:13 * Andygal works on tagging back. 23:13 < Verdancy> is that me 23:13 < Evenstar> (The 'I'm dying' heartsong actually has a place in Symphony musical culture, and is traditionally sung at funerals.) 23:14 < Verdancy> oh 23:14 < Evenstar> (And is then immediately followed with its sequel) 23:14 < Andygal> Verdancy: yes. 23:14 < Verdancy> kay 23:15 < Andygal> there tagged. 23:15 < Evenstar> (The second is essentially an affirmation that 'you live on in us who you sang for') 23:15 < Teceler> (awwww) 23:15 < Evenstar> (And then there's a ritual to preserve the heartsong of the deceased) 23:15 < Verdancy> ohhh 23:15 < Andygal> awwwww. 23:15 < Teceler> Sonata: I think Niryl's forum-manifestation is currently through their dreams (dreams are among the things that are strange in the Neath), does that work okay or do I need to work out something else? 23:16 <@Sonata> That works fine. 23:16 < Teceler> okay 23:16 < Andygal> Niryl may want to ask for a better forum manifestation once she figures out it's a thing that can happen. 23:16 < Teceler> (they are going to want a different forum manifestation probably when they work out what is going on, but) 23:16 < Teceler> pfft 23:16 < Teceler> yeah 23:17 < Andygal> pffffft 23:17 < Andygal> oh is Niryl not a she? 23:17 < sigma> Evenstar, comment on bad day heartsongs? 23:17 -!- Kel is now known as Kelsleep 23:18 < Evenstar> Sigma: Okay, they /do/ happen occasionally and tend to plague their owners with bad luck, but they're rarer than heartsongs about tragedy 23:18 <@Adelene> Sonata: Dungeon magic and making non-alpha forks, how does that work? 23:18 < sigma> That works! 23:18 < Andygal> goodnight Kel. 23:18 < Teceler> sleep well Kel 23:19 < Kelsleep> night 23:19 <@Sonata> Adelene, I'd need a specific example case 23:19 < Kelsleep> ... 23:19 <@Adelene> Specifically if Lurker wants to take her Comp Body Lang and go be a bunch of nonspeaking peoples' muses/personal assistants/however that would work. 23:19 < Kelsleep> [hugs for Niryl] 23:19 <@Sonata> hmmmmm 23:19 < Teceler> ? 23:19 < Kelsleep> re: post a min ago 23:19 < Teceler> Andygal: Niryl is fine with being pronouned as a she, but that's not actually correct I think? I'm not positive what the thing is there 23:19 < Teceler> ah 23:20 < Teceler> Niryl is /very confused/ XD 23:20 < Kelsleep> yeeah 23:20 < Kelsleep> Time 23:20 < Kelsleep> anyway, night 23:20 < Verdancy> Good night, Kel. <3 23:20 < Teceler> and then woke themselves up being confused I think XD 23:20 < Teceler> good night Kel 23:21 < Teceler> Adelene: ... 23:21 <@Adelene> I'm not sure she's going to do that but I bet she at least considers it enough to look into. 23:21 <@Adelene> Because AUGH. 23:21 * Verdancy looks at thunder thread 23:21 < Verdancy> aww, Niryl 23:22 < Teceler> Tyche has complicated and mostly incoherent opinions on this 23:22 <@Adelene> *giggle* 23:22 < Andygal> Niryl needs Esthfora protection. Also a basket of poofs. 23:22 < Teceler> hm? 23:22 <@Sonata> A beta fork is a deliberately edited subset of a person, yeah? I think a beta fork can therefore keep a selected subset of spellcasting abilities. Spell /effects/ won't copy to forks, though, even alpha forks. (The magic doesn't have enough power to maintain the effect on multiple people from one casting, though it's pretty DWIMmy about which fork gets to keep it.) 23:23 <@Adelene> Cool, that works. 23:23 <@Sonata> However, there may be a relationship between spellcasting ability and personhood, so if you're trying to create /nonsapient/ beta forks then things might get tricky. 23:23 < Andygal> Beta forks do not keep the psi trait, for what it's worth. 23:23 <@Adelene> Tec: Yeah, I just bet Tyche has complicated and mostly incoherent opinions on that, Lurker may not care enough about that to let it stop her though. 23:24 -!- Sky has quit 23:24 <@Sonata> Although in this case you need to remember that you're dealing with an interaction between /three/ worlds' systems. 23:24 <@Adelene> Like, might? But only after she's /really closely/ examined the options, including the possibility of going behind Tyche's back. 23:25 <@Adelene> (Carp becomes much less relevant if these are forks of the Eclipse fork rather than the Carp one.) 23:25 < Teceler> (that is not likely to work for very long) 23:25 < Teceler> (going behind Tyche's back, I mean) 23:25 <@Adelene> (yeah, but she will consider it.) 23:26 < Teceler> brb 23:27 -!- Kelsleep has quit 23:28 <@Adelene> She'll definitely want to put in some safeties, too, particularly the ability to call home if the fork or her person is being abused. Might even split off another alpha to handle that. 23:29 < Andygal> aren't there issues with Carp people and forking? 23:29 < sigma> Lurker's really learning her way around the multiverse! 23:29 <@Adelene> There are but Esthfora mitigates them. 23:30 <@Adelene> (She is, yes. ^^) 23:31 < Verdancy> forum-tag, Teceler. 23:33 < Teceler> back 23:34 < Teceler> Adelene: Tyche will find the safeties somewhat reassuring 23:34 < sigma> Lizzie has a hug potion? 23:35 < sigma> This seems like the sort of thing you want to be able to send. 23:35 < Andygal> awww Lizzie is a cute. 23:36 <@Adelene> heh ^^ 23:36 < Verdancy> :) 23:36 <@Adelene> Yeah, the safeties are important, and she's also going to look into, like, what it's like to be the relevant sort of fork, first? 23:37 <@Adelene> But she is going to /actually look into it/. 23:37 < Teceler> ...meaning? 23:37 < Andygal> safeties are definitely a good idea. 23:38 <@Adelene> Like, she's not going to go 'that is a considerable personal sacrifice I'd be making there' and nope out. 23:38 <@Adelene> She's going to try to make it work. 23:39 < Verdancy> awwww, Lurker 23:39 <@Adelene> If she can't, fine, she won't do it, but. 23:39 * Andygal is poking at the idea of muses as a personhood tutor in general. 23:40 <@Adelene> 1) that's not how thing, I'm pretty sure, 2) even if it was how thing, it is NOT the thing Lurker would be doing. 23:40 < Andygal> fair enough. 23:40 <@Adelene> Lurker is very meet-people-where-they-are. 23:40 < Teceler> Andygal: what do you mean? 23:41 < Andygal> like assist the language and social skills impaired in learning those things? 23:42 <@Adelene> that is not personhood :P 23:42 < Andygal> it is a big part of being a funtioning person in most societies. 23:42 < Teceler> like, I think what Andygal means is learning how to do things with being a person? 23:43 <@Adelene> yes, most societies are deeply ableist. :P 23:43 < Teceler> not, like, learning /to be a person/ 23:43 < Andygal> Yeah that was what I meant, pretty much. 23:44 < Teceler> (also, like, there's things where muses can be really helpful with some kinds of that issue by doing things like asking about preferences) 23:46 <@Adelene> *nod* 23:50 < Verdancy> I actually read that as a transition step for uplifting people 23:50 <@Sonata> btw sigma, until you said it was skyrates I assumed talespin 23:50 < Verdancy> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 23:51 <@Adelene> So, on the list for sending stones. Esthfora, Lizzie (can share with household, I think there's a range update in here someplace too), Cordelia... *pokes at* Mozee, maybe, Lurker might actually approach them to see if they want to coordinate... 23:51 < sigma> Skyrates does draw a lot from Talespin. 23:51 * Andygal is looking at solutions for helping broken people, Unity has lots of broken people. 23:52 <@Adelene> Lurker is kinda still weirded out about Anda and wants to keep her distance. Possible they'll get a stone anyway, but only once the network is big enough that it no longer feels like Lurker's personal friend list. 23:52 -!- Evenstar has quit 23:53 < Andygal> they might get their own before then. 23:53 <@Adelene> *nod* 23:53 < Andygal> depends how long it takes. 23:53 < Verdancy> (Lizzie wants to make them all immortal so they can have as long as they need to heal) 23:53 < Teceler> awww 23:53 <@Adelene> Lurker's stone network is going to be A Thing, though, having their own is a different thing. 23:53 < Andygal> awwww. 23:53 < Andygal> Lurker 23:54 < Andygal> Lurker's stone network is useful! 23:54 <@Sonata> sending stones are more like very long range walkietalkies than like cellphones, btw, stones can't call each other by default, they have to be networked explicitly 23:54 <@Adelene> Yup! 23:54 <@Sonata> that is, it's all lans, no internet 23:54 <@Adelene> Yeah, what Sonata said. 23:54 < Andygal> Yeah I know. 23:54 <@Adelene> Lurker's stone network is basically going to be a World Tree thing, I think, in practice. 23:55 < Andygal> but Anda wants a network with Linsa anyway, and possibly a couple of other people (Sectuib, maybe others?) 23:55 <@Adelene> *nod* 23:56 <@Adelene> If they're being open about the other worlds/magic thing they might just want to get a couple upgrades and let everyone in the compound use it. 23:56 -!- Sonata is now known as sonatasleep 23:56 < Andygal> night Sonatasleep. 23:56 < Teceler> sleep well sonata 23:57 < Verdancy> Good night, Sonata. 23:57 <@Adelene> hm, actually 23:58 <@Adelene> Tomorrow or whatever, I should ask Evenstar about a couple possible upgrades: 23:58 < Teceler> aww, Lizzie 23:59 < Andygal> ...I wonder if you can get stones for cheap that can only recieve messages. 23:59 < Andygal> that could be useful for announcements. 23:59 <@Adelene> - making different stones on a network have different ranges, so for example they can have whole-house coverage at Lizzie's place and Miles' but also let people carry personal stones without that 23:59 <@Adelene> - giving the stones the ability to network with some kind of data storage --- Day changed Tue Aug 18 2015 00:00 < Andygal> like not everyone in the Householding needs to be able to talk probably, but it would be useful to send announcements to everyone. 00:00 <@Adelene> - possibly sending items that way, though that seems like it's really a stretch 00:00 < Teceler> Andygal: do you want me to get the relevant bit of sendingscience? 00:00 <@Adelene> Andygal: You can increase the range on one stone and let multiple people use it at once. 00:01 < Teceler> that, yeah 00:01 <@Adelene> Like, the default is room-sized and 3-4 people. 00:01 <@Adelene> For one stone. 00:01 <@sonatasleep> MS can provide in-the-cloud data storage for your stone network. 00:02 <@Adelene> Oh, cool. 00:02 < Andygal> teceler: get me the relevant part of sendingscience 00:02 <@Adelene> I'm not sure Lurker thinks to ask about that, though. 00:02 <@sonatasleep> (like, not on the level of a feature inherent to the stones, but if you give her a stone on the network she can provide services over it) 00:02 <@Adelene> *nod* 00:03 * sonatasleep goodnight for actual 00:03 -!- sonatasleep has quit 00:03 < Teceler> "[Range increase to: 100m: 100OTC. 1KM: 500OTC. 50KM: 1000 OTC] [User increase: 1 dozen: 50OTC. 50: 100 OTC. 1000: 1000 OTC.] [Variant interfaces include: music/hologram/touchpad/telephone etc. Custom available, inquire.] 00:03 < Teceler> " 00:03 < Teceler> "[directed communication: 25 OTC]" 00:04 < Andygal> what I was thinking of was like the sentry at the gate has a stone that can send messages and all the adults in the Householding, or at least manyof them have ones that can only recieve messages so the sentry can send an alert to everyone if there's trouble on the horozion. 00:04 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 00:05 < Teceler> see, the thing is, you can do something like that with one upgraded stone 00:05 < Teceler> apparantly 00:05 <@Adelene> The range increase thing means you can put one stone in a central location and several can use it at once. 00:05 <@Adelene> *several people 00:05 <@Adelene> And if the range is far enough to reach to the gate, you only even need the one. 00:06 < Teceler> I mean, if people go out of the Householding for things at all -- do they? they might want antother stone for the, but, yeah 00:07 < Andygal> they sometimes have to go buy things, or run messages to other Householdings and stuff. 00:08 < Teceler> oh, other question for Evenstar regarding sending stone upgrades, while I'm thinking about it: are there upgrades to make the sending stones themselves more, mmm, discreet / less noticable? 00:08 <@Adelene> I think that's what the variant interfaces are. 00:08 < Teceler> maybe? 00:08 < Teceler> not sure 00:08 < Teceler> that seems to be more alternatives to the telepathy 00:08 < Andygal> those variant interfaces aren't going to help you in a world with a low tech level. 00:09 <@Adelene> *nod* 00:09 < Andygal> I think what Tec meant was like notice-me-not fields. 00:09 <@Adelene> "Custom available, inquire." 00:09 < Teceler> heh 00:09 < Andygal> so nobody notices you playing with a rock. 00:09 < Teceler> and yeah, I did mean that 00:09 <@Adelene> You don't have to hold it, it doesn't even have to be on your person. 00:09 < Andygal> and also so nobody steals your stone. 00:09 <@Adelene> You just have to be in range. 00:10 < Verdancy> ...It occurs to me that while Lizzie is really wary of the OTC having potions of youth, she would probably be okay with giving them life fruit 00:10 < Teceler> ...why is she wary of them having that? 00:10 < Andygal> because she believes they are shady. 00:10 < Verdancy> She thinks they might use them to extort people, or try to copyright the potion and cause her legal trouble 00:11 < Verdancy> or something 00:11 < Teceler> ah, trying to copyright it makes sense, yeah 00:11 < Verdancy> also she has a general policy against helping people that she isn't at least mostly certain don't eat puppies for breakfast 00:11 < Andygal> *snerk* 00:11 < Teceler> heh 00:12 < Verdancy> Lizzie: I have met willow trees that are less shady than they are 00:12 <@Adelene> hee 00:12 < Teceler> pffffft 00:13 < Andygal> pfffthahaha 00:13 < Verdancy> :D 00:13 < Andygal> I am pretty sure the OTC eats contracts for breakfast. 00:13 < Verdancy> pfft 00:13 < Teceler> pffffffffft 00:13 < Verdancy> those are their /muscles/ 00:13 < Verdancy> that would be /cannabalism/ 00:14 < Andygal> pffffthahahahahaha 00:14 < Andygal> that would be autocannibalism. 00:14 < Verdancy> Yes! 00:14 < Verdancy> I mean, maybe if they were stranded on a desert island 00:15 < Verdancy> It just feels like an emergency thing, you know? 00:15 < Teceler> which begs the question of /how/ they got stranded on a desert island, being the OTC :P 00:15 < Andygal> XDXD 00:15 < Verdancy> hee 00:15 -!- MTC has quit 00:15 < Andygal> I'm dying here. 00:15 < Verdancy> ...of fun? 00:15 < Verdancy> :P 00:16 < Andygal> Yes! 00:16 < Teceler> ...um 00:16 < Andygal> ilu all. 00:16 < Teceler> okay I was a little concerned there 00:16 < Verdancy> <3 00:16 < Andygal> <3 00:16 < Verdancy> (I was also a teensy bit concerned, but) 00:17 < Verdancy> (I'm familiar with the idiom) 00:17 < Teceler> (I would have been less concerned if more of the idiom had been included XD) 00:18 < Andygal> sorry? 00:18 < Teceler> it's fine 00:18 * Verdancy nods 00:18 < Verdancy> It is fine. 00:19 < Verdancy> (I'm just paranoid) 00:19 < Andygal> (hugs?) 00:19 < Teceler> (that, yeah XD) 00:19 < Verdancy> hugs! 00:19 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 00:20 < Verdancy> MTC, do you exist? 00:20 < Verdancy> Inquiring minds want to know. 00:25 < sigma> MTC doesn't seem to talk much. 00:26 < Verdancy> Okay. Um, I don't want to pressure them actually. 00:26 < Verdancy> Sorry. 00:26 < Teceler> I think MTC just lurks 00:26 * Verdancy nods 00:26 * Teceler has done that thing. 00:28 < Verdancy> Okay. I'm sorry, MTC. I don't want to put you on the spot. 00:40 < Teceler> I should probably go sleep 00:40 < Andygal> night. 00:43 <@Adelene> Sleep well :) 00:44 < sigma> EmptySeat hasn't posted in a while either. 00:46 < sigma> Heh, I just got the pun. 00:47 < Andygal> hmmm? 00:49 < Verdancy> Good night, Teceler. 00:49 < Teceler> oh, right, sleep 00:50 < Teceler> that. was a thing I was going to do 00:54 < Teceler> ... 00:54 < Teceler> good night all 00:54 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Asleep 00:54 <@Adelene> Sleep well! 00:54 < Verdancy> Good night. <3 00:54 < Andygal> goodnight! 00:54 * Teceler|Asleep thanks 01:50 < sigma> Andygal, "empty seat" sounds like "MTC". 01:50 < Andygal> hahaha 02:30 < sigma> Maybe bedtime for me too. 02:30 < Andygal> goodnight Sigma. 02:31 < sigma> Good night. 02:31 -!- sigma has quit 02:31 < Verdancy> Aw, I'm too late. 02:31 <@Adelene> *hug* 02:31 < Verdancy> Well, good night, Sigma. Maybe you'll read this in the logs sometime. 02:31 < Verdancy> *hugs* 02:32 < Andygal> *hugs* 02:32 < Verdancy> *hugs* 02:36 < Andygal> and on that note, I should sleep, goodnight guys. 02:36 < Verdancy> Good night, Andygal. 02:36 * Verdancy will bed soon too 02:36 -!- Andygal has quit 02:37 < Verdancy> Good night, everyone. <3 02:37 -!- Verdancy is now known as VerdanZzz
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Post by Mother Starlight on Aug 19, 2015 16:01:19 GMT
05:39 -!- butcher has joined #backstage 06:17 -!- Kelsewhere has joined #backstage 06:37 -!- Jarnvidr has quit 06:55 -!- FacelessWork has joined #backstage 06:55 < FacelessWork> good morning 06:58 < butcher> good evening. 07:07 < butcher> I already forgot who you are FacelessWork. Are you the one without any characters? 07:10 < FacelessWork> pretty much 07:10 < FacelessWork> I have Tama, but I dont use her much ».» 07:11 < FacelessWork> or at all to be hoenst 07:11 < FacelessWork> it is hard to keep track of the forum 07:11 < FacelessWork> it is like reading effulgence starting by the bell parties 07:13 -!- Kelsewhere is now known as Kel 07:13 < Kel> [hug iff wanted?] 07:13 < Kel> also good morning 07:14 < butcher> Tama is nifty. A touch of "normalcy" in the whole "gods clashing and fire everywhere" thing. 07:14 < Kel> or you know 07:15 < Kel> godsfire and clashing everywhere 07:15 < FacelessWork> kel, thanks 07:15 * FacelessWork deposist hugs in the hug account 07:15 < FacelessWork> butcher, thanks xD 07:15 -!- butcher is now known as Lady 07:16 < FacelessWork> I should post more Tama comments even if I dont follow the forum closely 07:16 -!- Lady is now known as Lady_Death 07:17 * Lady_Death eyes the hugs account. 07:17 * Lady_Death rifles through the hugs. 07:18 * Lady_Death is dissappointed by the lack of scritches and/or belly rubs. 07:18 < Kel> scritches and belly rubs are more likely to happen to people who ask 07:18 * FacelessWork eyes Lady Death taking liberties with his hugs account 07:18 < Kel> and don't try to take them from other people 07:19 < Kel> with a different comfort system 07:20 < Lady_Death> I had no idea's it was yours. 07:20 < Kel> ? 07:21 < Lady_Death> because Faceless said THE hugs account, and not HIS hugs account. 07:21 < Kel> but the hugs were for him? 07:21 < Kel> like, if I said "I'm going to go put money in the bank account" 07:21 < Kel> that would probably still mean mine 07:22 < Kel> but ok 07:22 < Lady_Death> "I was just looking through it to see if there was anything useful in it." 07:22 < Lady_Death> "I was merely looking." 07:23 < Kel> ok but you shouldn't actually look through other people's accounts 07:23 < Kel> especially if they are full of hugs 07:23 < Lady_Death> "It seemed to be just laying around." 07:23 < Kel> ??? 07:24 < Kel> no it didn't? 07:24 < Kel> it was literally in use 2 minutes before you looked through it? 07:24 < Lady_Death> "Well, that was a silly misunderstanding then, and I apologise." 07:25 < Lady_Death> "I shall compensate FacelessWorks if he wants to." 07:26 < Kel> I need to go get dressed 07:26 < Lady_Death> "Oh, you invited somewhere?" 07:26 -!- Lady_Death is now known as Butcher 07:27 < Butcher> Eh, let's drop it. 07:27 < Butcher> It got way to serious to be funny. 07:27 < Butcher> too 07:46 < Kel> etherpad down for maintanance 07:48 < Kel> I'm actually a lot better at getting basically anything done if it is for something to do while bored at school 07:48 < Kel> I don't know how to apply that mindset at home though 07:53 < Kel> bye 07:53 -!- Kel is now known as Kelsewhere 08:03 -!- Kelsewhere has quit 08:10 -!- Sky has joined #backstage 08:13 < Butcher> Hi. 08:14 < Butcher> Tag. 08:14 < Sky> hi 08:26 < Butcher> bynee 08:26 -!- Butcher has quit 09:04 -!- Kelsewhere has joined #backstage 09:19 -!- Sky has quit 09:30 -!- Jarnvidr has joined #backstage 10:04 -!- FacelessWork has quit 10:04 -!- Teceler|Asleep is now known as Teceler 10:07 <@Adelene> o/ 10:07 < Teceler> hello 10:08 <@Adelene> Etherpad is down :P 10:08 < Teceler> oh joy 10:08 <@Adelene> Since last night, for that matter. 10:10 <@Adelene> In other news I think I've pinned down Lurker's Eclipse stats, assuming there's no major surprises with the morph. Did you ever pin that down? 10:13 -!- Sky has joined #backstage 10:13 < Teceler> hello sky 10:13 < Teceler> hm 10:14 < Sky> Hi 10:36 -!- Jarnvidr has quit 11:33 -!- Butcher has joined #backstage 11:36 < Teceler> augh I keep misposted as Niryl with Tyche 11:36 < Teceler> *misposting 11:36 -!- Jarnvidr has joined #backstage 11:36 -!- Kelsewhere is now known as Kel 11:38 < Teceler> ...Kel? 11:39 < Kel> hi 11:39 < Teceler> hello! 11:39 < Kel> Need to get some stuff done today but not urgently 11:45 < Teceler> okay /belated 12:27 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 12:32 < Andygal> HI guys. 12:32 < Teceler> hello Andygal 12:33 < Sky> hello 12:35 < Andygal> sup? 12:48 < Butcher> Lady Death needs gold. 12:48 < Butcher> for a forest sized wedding ring. 12:48 < Andygal> pfffthahaha. 12:49 < Butcher> and PMed andrew about it. 12:50 < Andygal> Andrew's player has been eaten by RL. 12:50 < Sky> why must she marry the entire forest? 12:51 < Butcher> So the forest is a person. 12:52 < Teceler> yes, but, why a whole forest? 12:52 < Andygal> magic ritual thin. 12:56 < Butcher> And she can sacrifice it in a ritual meant to give you the lifespan of the sacrificed being. A tree can have a lifespan of maybe a hundred years, a forest can endure many millennia. 12:56 < Teceler> pfft 12:56 < Butcher> And if she sacrifices something that has a lifespan lower than her age she'll die on the spot. 12:56 < Andygal> actually many trees live for hundreds of years individually. 12:58 < Butcher> yes, but it's not that "Every tree of this species has a lifespan of a thousand years." 12:59 < Butcher> It's more like "many members of this species of tree have a huge lifespan." 12:59 < Butcher> I know Oaks that died when they were thirty. 13:00 < Andygal> Probably due to pests. 13:00 < Andygal> or bad weather. 13:00 < Butcher> A twenty eight year cherry tree in my garden nearly died two years ago. 13:00 < Butcher> Probably bad weather. 13:00 < Butcher> And low soil nutrition. 13:01 < Teceler> yeah, there's a distinction between natural lifespan and what it is as a result of circumstances 13:01 < Butcher> Would still be risky. 13:02 < Butcher> Now that she has a Ka test thingy she can do experiments. 13:03 < Andygal> does it work on trees? 13:03 < Butcher> By sacrificing Trees to mice and noting their lifespan gains. 13:03 < Butcher> Mh... Probably. 13:03 < Andygal> hehehehe 13:06 < Butcher> Thing is the ritual doesn't change your age. If you are, like her, 174 and sacrifice a tree with a lifespan of 173 you're going to die of old age. 13:06 < Butcher> Wait, do you mean does the Ka test thing work on trees? Then the answer is no. Trees can't mint Ka. 13:07 < Andygal> ahahahaha 13:07 < Butcher> You need to choose to mint OTC currencies. 13:07 < Teceler> ...they could if they were sapient trees! 13:07 < Teceler> :P 13:07 < Andygal> Lady death does not sacrifice sapient beings. 13:07 < Andygal> fortunately. 13:08 < Butcher> Lady Death: "You can't just sacrifice sapient trees!" 13:08 < Teceler> ...that's not the point, the point is that they could mint Ka XD 13:09 < Andygal> and crash the Ka market? 13:09 < Andygal> well probably not individually 13:09 < Teceler> ...do not make me go write a tree of an absurdly long-lives species people XD 13:09 < Andygal> but if there was a whole forest of sapient trees. 13:10 < Butcher> "There once was a race of sapient trees, but sadly their young were delicious. Ponies eradicated them before they noticed something was wrong." 13:10 < Andygal> Ents are finally useful for something! 13:12 < Butcher> "There's still two of them, some speculate, but they are somewhere in the Everfree forest and... well, you know what they say about hidden trees." 13:13 < Butcher> The ancient ponies were pretty terrible and oblivious. 13:13 < Butcher> I'm collecting things from fanfics. 13:14 < Andygal> :) 13:14 < Butcher> Cultural Artifacts, this part. 13:19 < Butcher> You know, LD could probably kill a deva. 13:20 < Kel> ... toes 13:20 < Butcher> If she can get them to sit still long enough. 13:20 < Sky> howzat? 13:20 < Teceler> no 13:20 < Teceler> have to go for a while now will probably be on phone 13:20 < Andygal> Nope. 13:20 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Aaway 13:20 < Andygal> later Teceler. 13:20 < Kel> ok 13:21 < Butcher> give them a lifespan of a dandelion. 13:21 < Kel> Toes. 13:21 < Andygal> toes? 13:21 < Butcher> Toes? 13:21 < Kel> of authors 13:21 < Sky> I definitely have the impression daeva lifespan is more of a trump than that 13:21 < Butcher> yes, yes. 13:22 <@Adelene> Ah, toes as in not stepping on. 13:22 < Kel> yeah 13:22 < Andygal> Yes. 13:22 < Kel> sorry 13:22 < Kel> should have been clearer 13:22 < Andygal> do not step on the Aestrix's toes, they are nice toes. 13:22 <@Adelene> s'ok 13:22 < Butcher> sure it needs author approval. 13:23 < Andygal> I think the answer you will get is "nope". 13:23 < Andygal> Daevahood is very convinent. 13:24 -!- tecephone has joined #backstage 13:24 < Butcher> And seeing as they will still have been a summoner at some point they'll just become a deva again. 13:25 < Butcher> But it could be harnessed as part of a ritual to have someone "die" to give them deva powers without killing them. 13:25 < Butcher> And then trying it repeatedly to see if you can make them another species of deva. 13:30 < tecephone> I really don't think daeva work in a relevant way there 13:57 -!- Kel is now known as Kelunch 14:00 -!- tecephone has quit 14:03 -!- tecephone has joined #backstage 14:04 < Butcher> Doesn't matter, that's what experiments are for. 14:05 <@Adelene> Yeah, good luck trying to find someone to agree to let you experiment on them though. :P 14:11 < Butcher> Demonic rats. 14:12 < Butcher> Cheese everywhere. 14:12 <@Adelene> Person demonic rats probably won't either, nonperson ones I think don't get to daeva. 14:13 < Butcher> Angelic mice. 14:14 <@Adelene> Point stands? It is pretty darn rare for people to agree to experimentation that might well kill them. :P 14:15 < Butcher> "Only persons can become deva." "No problem, I have a dress in it's size lying around somewhere." 14:15 <@Adelene> I will be very surprised if you can cheat at that. :P 14:16 < Butcher> "I don't have much compunctions about experimenting on nonsapient people. I'll do it in one of the worlds the keeper can access." 14:17 < tecephone> ? 14:19 < Butcher> "I can try." 14:20 < Butcher> LD has dimensional travel if there's someone willing to recieve her. 14:22 < Butcher> Tag Sky 14:22 < Butcher> and goodby 14:22 < Butcher> e 14:58 -!- tecephone has quit 14:58 -!- tecephone has joined #backstage 14:58 <@Adelene> o/ 14:59 <@Adelene> Etherpad is back. 14:59 < Andygal> etherpad was ethersad? 14:59 <@Adelene> Cuddle scene seems to need rewriting, now that I have the spoons to look at it properly. 14:59 <@Adelene> (Yeah, it was down for like 12+ hours.) 14:59 < Andygal> Ugh. 15:04 < tecephone> I need to work pot how Metis factors into stuff to 15:04 < tecephone> Too 15:04 <@Adelene> mmhmm 15:04 * tecephone is sort,of here 15:05 <@Adelene> *nod* 15:05 <@Adelene> Timeframe on getting home? 15:05 < tecephone> Not sure 15:06 < tecephone> 1OP 15:06 < tecephone> Er 15:06 < tecephone> 10.15 minutes? 15:06 < tecephone> To 15:06 < tecephone> Not point 15:07 -!- MTC has quit 15:07 < tecephone> Less if we manage to dodge the traffic maybe 15:07 <@Adelene> cool 15:10 -!- Butcher has quit 15:18 < tecephone> Home moment 15:18 <@Adelene> ^^ 15:18 < Andygal> <3 15:22 -!- Teceler|Aaway is now known as Teceler 15:22 <@Adelene> o/ 15:22 * Teceler flops. 15:23 < Teceler> hey 15:23 < Andygal> Hey. 15:23 <@Adelene> hey :) 15:24 -!- tecephone has quit 15:53 -!- Kelunch is now known as Kel 15:54 < Teceler> wb Kel! 15:55 < Kel> thanks! 15:55 < Kel> boredom is not conducive to learning 15:55 < Teceler> [hugs] 15:55 < Kel> [hugs] 15:56 < Kel> should not have taken that long to read but kept getting bored/distracted and fell half-asleep once 15:58 < Teceler> my brain is trying to make a new universe 15:58 < Teceler> /no/ brain 15:59 < Kel> [hug] 15:59 < Teceler> ? 15:59 < Teceler> [hugs] 15:59 < Kel> would it help to talk about and get the cool ideas said, or would that encourage the universe? 15:59 < Teceler> would probably encourage it XD 16:16 <@Adelene> *examines godsfire* *nudges Kel* 16:17 < Kel> oh 16:17 < Teceler> (alternately, Janice-pm, if that's easier, Kel) 16:17 < Teceler> [hugs] 16:18 < Kel> [hug] 16:18 < Kel> kinda tired of stuff but can probably firetag 16:39 -!- VerdanZzz is now known as Verdancy 16:39 < Verdancy> Hi, everyone. 16:39 < Teceler> hello Verdancy! 16:39 < Verdancy> (I have been an awaydancy, not a sleepdancy this whole time) 16:39 < Verdancy> Hi, Teceler! 16:40 < Teceler> you have a forum-tag 16:40 < Teceler> actually I think multiple but only one is mine XD 16:40 < Verdancy> aaaaa 16:40 < Verdancy> okay 16:40 < Teceler> [hugs] 16:40 < Teceler> sorry 16:40 < Teceler> there's not a /lot/ of them! 16:40 < Verdancy> *hugs* 16:40 < Verdancy> It is not a bad aaaaa 16:41 < Verdancy> Don't feel bad 16:41 < Verdancy> It is an exciting-nervous aaa 16:41 < Verdancy> um 16:41 < Teceler> ah 16:41 < Verdancy> *excited-nervous 16:41 < Teceler> the 'sorry' was partly/mostly for dropping that on you right after you came in 16:42 < Verdancy> oh ,okay 16:42 < Verdancy> it's all right 16:45 < Kel> HI! 16:45 < Kel> (late oops. Hi anyway though) 16:47 < Verdancy> Hi Kel! 16:49 < Kel> Hi! 17:16 < Teceler> brb 17:22 < Teceler> bk 17:22 < Verdancy> wb 17:22 < Teceler> thanks 18:05 -!- sonatasleep has joined #backstage 18:24 -!- FacelessDude has joined #backstage 18:24 < Kel> Hi! 18:24 < Teceler> hello Faceless, possibly-sonata 18:25 < FacelessDude> Greetings o/ 18:25 < FacelessDude> Why Sonata? 18:26 -!- sonatasleep is now known as Sonata 18:26 < Kel> Sonata joined 20 min before you did 18:26 < Sonata> It occurs to me 18:26 < Sonata> ME is literally an edgelord 18:26 < Teceler> pffffft 18:26 < FacelessDude> ah what? 18:26 < Sonata> because god of Boundaries 18:27 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 18:28 < Kel> brb 18:29 < Kel> bk 18:29 < Teceler> wb 18:29 < Kel> thx 18:30 < FacelessDude> wibbles 18:30 < Kel> thanks 18:31 -!- Sonata has quit 18:47 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 18:47 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 18:47 -!- Kel is now known as Kelsupper 18:47 * Sonata sighs at internet. 18:47 < Teceler> wb Sonata 18:47 < Teceler> (Kel enjoy your supper) 18:52 <@Adelene> Sonata, we had a question about Dungeon and how it interacts with multiple worlds at once. 18:53 <@Sonata> I'd need to see a specific example. 18:53 <@Adelene> Lurker getting forked so there's an Eclipse instance with Eclipse stats. 18:54 <@Adelene> Does the Eclipse instance use standard Eclipse rules for Dungeon magic, or something more Carp-flavored? 18:54 <@Sonata> Broadly, the same algorithm that converts her native Carp stats to Eclipse stats will also apply to converting her pseudoCarp Dungeon-related stats. 18:54 <@Adelene> (Particularly for determining how many MP she has.) 18:56 <@Sonata> So you figure out what an Eclipse-native Dungeon-caster looks like, and how Carp stats get converted to Eclipse stats, and put those together to get your answer. 18:56 <@Adelene> Like, in Carp terms she has a magic skill that both of her kinds of magic are based on; Eclipse doesn't by default have a magic skill at all, and MP are bought individually, but Carp's magic does translate into being a skill. 18:58 <@Adelene> So, like, three possibilities: 1) She gets her Carp magic skill as a skill and buys her MP separately; 2) She gets her Carp magic skill and a separate Dungeon magic skill; 3) She gets one generalized magic skill that both are based on. 18:59 <@Adelene> Left completely to its own devices Carp does the third thing; I think Eclipse convinces it to do one of the other two but I'm not sure which one Dungeon prefers or how much that matters. 19:11 -!- Sky has quit 19:26 -!- Sky has joined #backstage 19:54 -!- Andygal has quit 19:56 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 19:57 * Andygal sighs 19:57 < Teceler> internet troubles? 19:57 < Andygal> Yeah 19:59 < Teceler> [hugs?] 20:02 -!- Kelsupper is now known as Kel 20:03 < Teceler> wb Kel 20:03 < Kel> thank 20:05 -!- magic_phd has joined #backstage 20:09 < Teceler> hello magic_phd 20:09 < magic_phd> hello 20:26 < Kel> Teceler, godsfire tag 20:27 < Teceler> oooo 20:46 < Teceler> ...is etherpad down again? 20:46 < Teceler> or is it just me? 20:46 < Kel> checking 20:47 < Sky> it's down for me too. 20:47 < Teceler> [sigh] 20:47 < Kel> still trying to load for me, so probably down 20:47 < Kel> [hug?[ 20:47 < Kel> *] 20:47 < Andygal> hug. 20:47 < Teceler> [hugs!] 20:47 < FacelessDude> also stuck on loading 20:47 < Teceler> it's fine, it's just, frustrating? 20:47 < FacelessDude> also hi again humans 20:48 < Teceler> hello 20:48 < Kel> hi my fellow human 20:48 < Andygal> HI Faceless. 20:49 < FacelessDude> what are you people up to? 20:50 < Kel> godsfire tagged 20:55 < Kel> brb sunset 20:55 -!- Andyga1 has joined #backstage 20:55 < Andyga1> *sigh* 20:56 < Teceler> [hugs] 20:56 -!- Andygal has quit 20:56 -!- Andyga1 is now known as Andygal 20:56 < Teceler> oh, hey, Kel, we new-paged! 20:56 < Teceler> *Kel when you get back 20:57 < FacelessDude> kill your double? 20:58 < Andygal> already dead. 21:01 < FacelessDude> \o/ 21:02 < Kel> bk 21:02 < Kel> nice sunset, very pastel 21:02 < Kel> less spectacular but still fun 21:02 < Teceler> wb 21:02 < Kel> thanks! 21:03 < Kel> new page!~ 21:04 < FacelessDude> Kel, are somewhere away that has nice, pretty (pressumably quiet) sunsents? 21:04 < FacelessDude> sets* 21:08 < Kel> yes? 21:10 < FacelessDude> cool 21:10 < FacelessDude> enjoy 21:12 < Kel> thanks! 21:21 -!- Andygal has quit 21:22 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 21:25 -!- Sky has quit 21:32 -!- PDV has joined #backstage 21:49 -!- Adelene is now known as Sleepdelene 22:05 -!- PDV is now known as PDVanished 22:07 -!- FacelessDude has quit 22:19 -!- PDVanished is now known as PDV 22:38 -!- Andyga1 has joined #backstage 22:38 -!- Andygal has quit 22:49 -!- Andyga1 is now known as Andygal 22:56 * Andygal goes to reboot the ****ing router. 22:56 < Teceler> [hugs] 22:57 < Kel> [hug?] 22:59 -!- Andygal has quit 22:59 -!- Kel is now known as Kelsleep 23:00 < Teceler> good night Kel 23:00 < Kelsleep> good night 23:00 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 23:00 < Andygal> there, maybe now it will be less terrible. 23:00 < Teceler> hopefully! 23:01 < Andygal> my internet connection is usually good. 23:01 < Andygal> I don't know why it has decided to be annoying today. 23:01 < Andygal> while I am trying to work, no less. 23:01 < Teceler> [hugs if wanted] 23:02 < Andygal> thanks :) 23:04 -!- Kelsleep has quit --- Day changed Wed Aug 19 2015 00:03 -!- Sleepdelene is now known as Adelene 00:05 < Teceler> 'mgoing to go sleep now 00:05 < Teceler> good night all 00:05 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Asleep 00:05 < Andygal> goodnight. 00:07 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 00:47 -!- PDV is now known as PDVanished 00:55 -!- PDVanished is now known as PDV 01:16 -!- PDV is now known as PDVanished 01:18 -!- PDVanished is now known as PDV 01:50 <@Sonata> oh hey I forgot I was in a middle of a conversation, oops sorry 01:50 < Andygal> oops? 01:51 <@Sonata> I would model it as though Dungeon magic were somehow native to both Eclipse and Carp, in the same way that mammals are native to both of those worlds 01:51 <@Sonata> which I think implies possibility 1, porting to Eclipse separates the magic types 01:52 <@Sonata> She gets her Carp-magic skill as a skill, and buys her MP separately. 01:52 <@Sonata> @Adelene 01:53 <@Sonata> (but ultimately that's just my opinion on a conversation between Carp and Eclipse) 01:53 <@Sonata> (or, rather, Dungeon thinks that's the case even if it isn't) 02:01 -!- PDV is now known as PDVanished 02:03 -!- Sonata has quit 02:32 -!- PDVanished is now known as PDV 02:32 -!- PDV has quit 02:33 -!- PDV has joined #backstage 02:56 -!- PDV has quit
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Post by Mother Starlight on Aug 20, 2015 19:06:54 GMT
05:29 -!- Andygal has quit 06:02 -!- magic_phd has quit 06:21 -!- Kelsewhere has joined #backstage 06:22 -!- Butcher has joined #backstage 07:06 -!- FacelessWork has joined #backstage 07:06 < FacelessWork> hello 07:18 -!- Kelsewhere is now known as Kel 07:19 < Kel> hi 07:19 < Kel> I was supposed to take a shower this morning but I lost track of time and now it's too late 07:28 < FacelessWork> sorry 07:59 < Kel> I am going to use the actually-true excuse that I noticed that I wasn't even sort of packed for my class today. I am really not on top of things today and need to go now. rrg. sorry, bye 07:59 -!- Kel is now known as Kelsewhere 09:02 -!- FacelessWork has quit 09:59 -!- Teceler|Asleep is now known as Teceler 10:22 -!- Sky has joined #backstage 10:25 -!- Sky has quit 10:35 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 10:35 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 11:06 -!- Kel-phone has joined #backstage 11:07 < Kel-phone> hi! 11:07 < Teceler> hello Kel! 11:07 < Kel-phone> I'm on basement Wi-Fi waiting for class for next hour 11:08 < Kel-phone> ha ha the fertilizer question 11:08 <@Sonata> Teceler, is it okay if MS says that Niryl's world is "bitey"? is that in line with what you have in mind? 11:09 < Teceler> pfft 11:09 < Teceler> yeah that is probably an accurate description 11:09 < Teceler> pfft. 'fertilizer' 11:10 < Kel-phone> XD 11:11 < Teceler> Lizzie is delightful 11:11 < Kel-phone> she /is/ 11:12 < Kel-phone> oh hey you Fixed the html! 11:13 < Teceler> I did! 11:13 < Teceler> I had a + instead of a = XD 11:13 < Kel-phone> ☺ 11:13 < Kel-phone> XD 11:13 < Kel-phone> that would fyi it 11:14 < Kel-phone> *do 11:19 -!- Adelene is now known as AFKdelene 11:20 < Verdancy> (Hi I exist) 11:20 < Teceler> hello Verdancy! 11:20 < Verdancy> (law of conservation, I guess) 11:20 < Verdancy> Hi Teceler! 11:22 < Kel-phone> hi! 11:22 < Verdancy> Hi Kel! 11:27 < Verdancy> it occurs to me that probably the most efficient way to mint ka would be to stick someone on Mozee's cloud and just have them mint repeatedly 11:28 < Teceler> I think at that point it's Mozee minting god-chron :P 11:28 < Verdancy> pffft 11:28 < Verdancy> yeah 11:28 < Kel-phone> first four chapters of night vale novel released online and my interpretation of Josh is now non canon 11:28 < Verdancy> cool! 11:28 < Teceler> [hugs for Kel] 11:28 < Kel-phone> XD 11:28 < Kel-phone> hugs 11:29 < Verdancy> hugs? 11:29 < Kel-phone> I'm not upset side Steve is already ooc 11:29 < Kel-phone> since 11:29 < Teceler> forum? :P 11:29 < Kel-phone> but it's a little annoying 11:30 < Verdancy> oh my gosh I completely missed the non part 11:30 < Verdancy> I thought you were saying your interpretation was canon 11:30 < Teceler> I thought you might have yeah 11:30 < Verdancy> I'm sorry, Kel 11:31 < Kel-phone> np 11:31 < Kel-phone> "forum? :p" ? 11:31 < Teceler> 'since forum' 11:32 < Kel-phone> ah 11:32 < Kel-phone> since apparently before that too. forum Steve is ooc 11:32 < Teceler> [hugs?] 11:33 * Verdancy offers hugs 11:33 < Kel-phone> sure! hugs! 11:33 * Kel-phone is not 11:34 < Kel-phone> *upset 11:34 < Teceler> okay 11:34 -!- FacelessWork has joined #backstage 11:35 < FacelessWork> Salutations 11:35 < Kel-phone> hi 11:35 < Teceler> hello 11:35 < Verdancy> Hi, Faceless! 11:36 < FacelessWork> Someone send this link to Kappa and Aestrix http://andaisq.tumblr.com/post/127084452108 11:36 < FacelessWork> how are you guys doing 11:36 < FacelessWork> ? 11:36 < Verdancy> I'm all right! 11:36 < Verdancy> I should food soon though 11:36 < Teceler> hm, I don't think I can reply with Niryl right now Verdancy, because the OTC probably icly would have responded to them by now and that might affect their response 11:37 < Teceler> food is generally useful yes XD 11:37 < Kel-phone> Ok, waiting for class in a cafe basement with Wi-Fi 11:37 < Kel-phone> what is on the link? 11:39 < Verdancy> okay 11:39 < Verdancy> that's fine 11:39 * Verdancy wants Niryl to have /all/ the hugs, though 11:39 < Verdancy> all of them 11:40 < Teceler> awww 11:40 < Teceler> brb 11:40 < Verdancy> kay 11:41 -!- FacelessWork has quit 11:42 < Teceler> bk 11:42 < Verdancy> wb! 11:44 -!- AFKdelene has quit 12:06 < Kel-phone> moving to bus stop Wi-Fi might drop 12:06 < Teceler> okay 12:06 < Teceler> good luck 12:06 < Teceler> --pfft Lizzie 12:06 * Teceler just saw her response back to MS 12:10 < Kel-phone> missed bus because bus was early. hopefully another soon 12:10 < Teceler> [hugs] 12:11 * Verdancy offers hugs 12:11 < Verdancy> I'm sorry, Kel. That sucks. 12:11 < Kel-phone> hugs 12:12 < Kel-phone> yeah, New one one in probably twenty min at latest so almost certainly will get to class on time 12:12 < Verdancy> That's good! 12:12 < Teceler> that's good 12:22 -!- Kel-phone has quit 12:23 -!- PDV has joined #backstage 12:27 < Teceler> hello PDV 12:28 < PDV> morning 12:42 < Verdancy> (belated good morning) 12:48 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 12:50 < Verdancy> Hi, Andygal! 12:50 < Teceler> hello Andygal 12:51 < Andygal> HI guys. 13:03 -!- Kelsewhere has quit 13:46 -!- FacelessWork has joined #backstage 13:46 < FacelessWork> hi 13:46 < Andygal> Hi. 13:46 < Teceler> hello again 13:50 < FacelessWork> hi 13:50 < FacelessWork> whats up? 13:51 < Andygal> Not much. :p 14:54 -!- sigma has joined #backstage 14:55 < sigma> Hello 14:55 < Teceler> hello sigma 14:57 < Andygal> Hi. 14:58 < sigma> I must do research. 14:59 < Teceler> luck? 14:59 < sigma> Thanks 15:03 -!- MTC has quit 15:07 -!- Evenstar has joined #backstage 15:08 < sigma> Hi Evenstar 15:09 < Andygal> Hi Evenstar! 15:09 < Teceler> hello Evenstar 15:10 < Evenstar> Hi all! 15:11 * Evenstar exists again! 15:11 < Teceler> that's always useful! 15:11 < Teceler> (existing, I mean XD) 15:11 < FacelessWork> yeah I deeply recommend existing 15:11 * Teceler meeps at the time 15:11 < Teceler> unfortunately I have to leave imminently 15:12 < sigma> I'm doing research because AndaisQ must be taught a lesson and/or gifted a fic. 15:12 < Andygal> Existing is goo! 15:12 < Andygal> *good 15:12 < Andygal> damn keyboard. 15:13 < sigma> EXISTING IS GOO -the sign painter 15:13 < Teceler> XD 15:14 * PDV makes a mental note to stay far away from said fic/lesson 15:16 < sigma> What if I also make the fic canon for one of my worlds? 15:16 < Teceler> so, Evenstar, what happens if the OTC tries to mint takkarash from someone who is currently asleep? 15:18 < Teceler> (Niryl might be awake by the time the OTC get to them, but they also might /not/ be and I am curious) 15:19 -!- PDV is now known as PDVorking 15:21 -!- Kelsewhere has joined #backstage 15:21 -!- Kelsewhere is now known as Kel 15:21 < Kel> dfghj 15:21 < Teceler> hello? 15:21 < Kel> hi 15:21 < sigma> Hi Kel! 15:22 < Kel> on freeway home, completely closed road, everyone turning around driving up the onramp no signs saying what I was supposed to do and no idea what was going on 15:22 < Teceler> [hugs] 15:22 < Kel> [hugs] 15:22 < Andygal> (hugs) 15:22 < sigma> ....wow 15:22 -!- Evenstar has quit 15:25 < Kel> I'm going to go eat lunch and drink a lot of water, back in a bit 15:26 < sigma> Happy lunch, see you in a bit 15:29 < Teceler> ...I need to go very imminently, I am going to away now 15:29 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Away 15:53 <@Sonata> Telcewhere 15:54 <@Sonata> (Tesseler or Tekkeler?) 15:54 <@Sonata> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 15:55 < PDVorking> People refer to them as Tec, which doesn't make sense in my head if Tesseler 15:55 < PDVorking> but that means very little 15:56 <@Sonata> I headsay Tesseler and Tek 15:56 < PDVorking> same 16:01 <@Sonata> (btw I am usually not paying attention to chat, if someone wants to talk to me they should probably say my name) 16:01 < sigma> When I have to pronounce this name mentally, I'm always tempted towards "tickler". 16:04 < FacelessWork> it is german that is usually stereotyped with trading "w" for "v" sounds? 16:05 < PDVorking> mostly just vampires I think 16:05 < PDVorking> or other random Transylvanians 16:06 < FacelessWork> So PDV you are transylvanian and working? 16:06 < PDVorking> I am not Transylvanian 16:06 < Andygal> are your Romanian? 16:06 < PDVorking> but PDV|Working is boring 16:07 < PDVorking> no I am boring American 16:07 < PDVorking> (well, half-Polish but no immigrants for three or four generations) 16:20 < Butcher> Nah, it's really german 16:21 < Butcher> In German all 'w's are spoken like the v in vampire 16:22 < Butcher> we call it We and not double u 16:23 < FacelessWork> So PDV is actualy a PDVampire! 16:23 < Butcher> So germans reading english words often imagine them spoken with the We sound. 16:23 * FacelessWork throws holy water at PDV 16:24 < Verdancy> that is /mean/ 16:24 < Butcher> At least we can pronounce www properly 16:24 < Verdancy> don't you know holy water burns vampires?????? 16:24 < Verdancy> EQUALITY NAO 16:24 < Andygal> I'm pretty sure that was the point. 16:24 < Verdancy> (it was, I am making a joke) 16:24 < Andygal> although where he got holy water at work I don't know. 16:25 < Verdancy> (apparently not a very good one, oh well) 16:25 < Butcher> Is he a priest? 16:25 < Andygal> do you work in a church, FacelessWork? 16:25 < FacelessWork> No 16:25 < Butcher> Or maybe a maintenance worker? 16:25 < FacelessWork> I just keep holy water at hand 16:25 < FacelessWork> just in case 16:25 < Verdancy> Sensible. 16:25 < FacelessWork> and then I throw said water through the internet to reach other vampires that are working 16:26 < FacelessWork> or vorking 16:26 < Verdancy> (I hope you /also/ keep sulfuric acid at hand. for equality) 16:26 < Verdancy> ....other vampires? 16:26 < Andygal> how well prepared of you. 16:26 < Verdancy> as in. vampires who are not you. 16:27 < Verdancy> busted, Faceless. 16:27 < FacelessWork> ops, I meant others and then changed to vampires 16:27 < FacelessWork> I am not vampires, I am faceless, vampires by default have face, simple logic 16:27 < Verdancy> I don't know, not having a face /also/ seems pretty shady 16:28 -!- PDVorking is now known as PDVorkinganished 16:28 < Verdancy> that. does not work as well as your other one. 16:28 -!- Adelene has joined #backstage 16:28 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Adelene] by ChanServ 16:28 < Verdancy> Hi, Adelene! 16:28 < Andygal> Hi Adelene! 16:28 < FacelessWork> hi adelene o/ 16:29 < Butcher> Lady Death: "Holy silver fulminate aqua regia is the way to go." 16:29 <@Adelene> o/ 16:29 < FacelessWork> Verdancy, thinking those things about people without face is unfair profiling of minorities! 16:29 < Verdancy> pffft 16:29 < Verdancy> also 16:29 < Verdancy> "We're not a courier, and we're even less of a landscaping company. 25 OTC/plant." 16:29 < Verdancy> pffft hee 16:30 <@Adelene> I am back from the scary thing! It turned out to be less scary than I thought. And I'd say they didn't tell me anything I didn't know, but they in fact did, the ADD diagnosis was apparently only ever a mis-. 16:30 < Verdancy> Oh! I am glad it was not as scary as you thought. And that it is over now. That is good to know? 16:30 * Verdancy offers hugs 16:31 < Andygal> (hugs) 16:31 <@Adelene> It is not technically over but I am much less nervous about tomorrow. *hug* 16:31 < Verdancy> That's good, at least. 16:31 < Verdancy> *hugs* 16:31 <@Adelene> (I thiiink I am officially diagnosed now.) 16:31 <@Adelene> (Maybe not technically but it seems to be inevitable at very least.) 16:32 < Verdancy> Is that a good thing? 16:32 <@Adelene> In the immediate context, yep. 16:32 < Verdancy> Okay. :) 16:32 <@Adelene> Broader context, well. Assholes exist. 16:32 * Verdancy nods 16:33 < Andygal> (hugs) 16:33 < Andygal> Assholes definitely exist. 16:33 * Verdancy offers hugs 16:33 <@Adelene> *hug* 16:33 -!- PDVorkinganished is now known as PDVorking 16:43 -!- tecephone has joined #backstage 16:45 < Verdancy> Welcome back! 16:45 * Adelene is here! 16:45 <@Adelene> It went well. ^^ 16:45 <@Adelene> Ether-sad, though. 16:45 < Andygal> again? 16:45 <@Adelene> Differently this time, but yeah. 16:46 <@Adelene> 500 server error. :P 16:48 < tecephone> It keeps going down recently 16:49 <@Adelene> mmhmm :P 16:49 -!- FacelessWork has quit 16:58 -!- Kel is now known as Kelish 17:01 -!- Teceler|Away is now known as Teceler 17:02 <@Adelene> o/ 17:02 < Kelish> Hi! 17:02 -!- tecephone has quit 17:02 < Teceler> hey 17:02 < Teceler> Sonata, it's a hard c, at least in my head. 17:03 < Kelish> oh 17:03 * Kelish will adjust head-pronunciation 17:03 <@Adelene> ? 17:04 < Kelish> There was discussion of how Teceler is pronounced 17:04 < Kelish> Tesseler or Tekkeler 17:04 <@Adelene> ah. 17:04 <@Adelene> I'd been assuming the latter. 17:04 < Kelish> Oh, is the el a separate syllable? 17:04 < Kelish> Like, Tek-el-er or Tek-ler 17:04 < Kelish> (I'd been assuming Tess-ler) 17:05 < Teceler> tek-el-air 17:05 < Kelish> oh 17:05 < Teceler> I mean, it's not a big deal 17:05 < Kelish> I like thinking people's names correctly 17:05 * Teceler finishes backscroll 17:05 < Teceler> [hugs for Adelene if wanted] 17:06 <@Adelene> *hug* 17:06 < Kelish> [also hug?] 17:06 <@Adelene> *hug* 17:15 -!- Evenstar has joined #backstage 17:15 < Evenstar> Teceler: Re: minting tk while asleep 17:15 < Teceler> wb Evenstar 17:16 < Kelish> hi 17:16 <@Sonata> (vivid nightmares!) 17:16 < Evenstar> Not a good idea, you would probably wake up, for the same reasons that minting tk under anesthesia doesn't really work 17:16 * Teceler nods. 17:16 < Teceler> I thought it might wake them up, that works fine 17:16 <@Sonata> what happens if you double up on minting tk and dyne? 17:16 <@Sonata> is that a thing that can? 17:17 < Evenstar> Sonata: You are massively fatigued but unable to sleep because pain. 17:17 <@Sonata> augh. 17:17 < Teceler> ... 17:17 < Teceler> ouch 17:17 <@Sonata> is it possible to upgrade the minting kit to provide sleep-compatible pain? 17:17 <@Sonata> (see: vivid nightmares) 17:18 < Evenstar> Sonata: Maybe, yes. It'd be custom though. 17:19 < Evenstar> (I feel like this would be sort of like commissioning Chainsaw's ingot power) 17:21 < Evenstar> (I can't remember the name of the instance of that template that lives in Bella's world) 17:21 < PDVorking> Sandy 17:22 < Evenstar> Right! 17:22 < Teceler> hm. I feel like this might interact interesting with Niryl's world 17:24 < Evenstar> (You know, minting Dyne is much less of a problem if you are from Holly & Crystal's world) 17:24 <@Adelene> Well, right up to the point where it gets you eaten by a demon because both people are sleepy, anyway. 17:25 < Teceler> ...yeah 17:25 < Evenstar> ... True. 17:25 < Evenstar> If you are Holly&Crystal&Book though then you might have a workable hack :P 17:25 <@Adelene> yup 17:26 < Evenstar> (Or if you're not in a world with clowns) 17:26 < Evenstar> (... Y'know, Klaonso sound surprisingly similar to Nightmares) 17:26 < Kelish> could you drowse a mouse to get rid of the tired? 17:27 < Evenstar> Kelish: Dyne are both mental and physical fatigue, so it /would/ help, but only with half of it. 17:27 < Kelish> oh 17:28 < Kelish> can mental fatigue be drowsed? 17:28 < Kelish> with troporting? 17:28 < Teceler> no, that's why they have to double up on people I think? 17:28 < Kelish> oh 17:28 < Kelish> hm. I wonder if you could troport it to a person 17:28 < Kelish> but probably not ethically, so 17:29 < Teceler> ~Dyne~ :P 17:30 < sigma> There's an episode of Buzz Lightyear where XR the robot is taken off active duty because his evaluation says "mental fatigue". 17:31 < Kelish> brb, walking neighbors' dog 17:32 < sigma> At the end of the episode one of his hull panels falls off 17:33 < Evenstar> If you had enough OTC currency in your bank account, you could be safe for years in Holly&Crystal world 17:33 < sigma> And it's revealed the evaluator meant "_metal_ fatigue". So he gets repaired and everything's fine again. 17:33 < Teceler> pfft 17:33 < Teceler> Evenstar: by buying Dyne? 17:33 < Evenstar> Teceler: Yep. 17:34 < sigma> Dyne physical effect for non-biomorphs? 17:34 < Teceler> ...oh, yeah, what happens if you mint Dyne and you are incapable of sleeping? 17:36 < sigma> Also, Dyne alarm clock? 17:36 < Teceler> pfft 17:43 -!- FacelessDude has joined #backstage 17:44 < Evenstar> Teceler: It doesn't work, much like trying to mint Ka if you are immortal. 17:44 < Evenstar> Sigma: Might not happen if you only have mental fatigue! 17:44 < Evenstar> (That is, you might not get physical fatigue) 17:45 < FacelessDude> hi again 17:45 < Teceler> hello again 17:45 < sigma> Can Dyne restore your metal fatigue? 17:45 < Evenstar> Hee 17:46 < Evenstar> I'm going to go with 'unlikely' 17:51 -!- sigma_ has joined #backstage 17:53 -!- sigma has quit 17:54 < Kelish> bk 17:54 < Teceler> wb 17:54 < Kelish> there was a small dead bird outside my house :( 17:54 < Teceler> :( 17:54 < Teceler> [hugs] 17:54 < Kelish> but my dad was nice enough to deal with it for me 17:54 < Kelish> [hugs] 17:59 * Verdancy offers hugs 17:59 < Verdancy> I'm sorry, Kel. 17:59 < Kelish> hugs] 17:59 < Kelish> *[ 18:18 < sigma_> I am mostly unfamiliar with real person fic and omegaverse fic. Under almost every circumstance this is not a problem. 18:18 < Kelish> oh? 18:20 -!- PDVorking is now known as PDVorkinganished 18:20 < sigma_> But - well - http://zerofarad.tumblr.com/post/127097316491/andaisq-zerofarad-andaisq-oh-shit-oh 18:21 -!- sigma_ is now known as sigma 18:21 < Kelish> pff 18:22 < sigma> So: research. 18:22 < Kelish> good luck? have fun? 18:23 < sigma> I'm not sure how dedicated I am to this 18:24 < Kelish> it would probably help to just look for one at a time? 18:24 < Kelish> maybe a crossover with a fiction you like? 18:27 < sigma> Fortunately rpf and omegaverse are very well documented tropes, as they are both of specific anthropological interest 18:28 < Kelish> so they are Skytopia? 18:29 < sigma> No, why? 18:29 < Kelish> ohhh wait I misread 18:29 < Kelish> sorry nvm 18:29 -!- PDVorkinganished is now known as PDVorking 18:29 -!- PDVorking is now known as PDV 18:29 < Kelish> The Vor are not actually a monarchy :P 18:31 < sigma> Where has this come up now? 18:31 < Kelish> "PDVorking" 18:31 < Kelish> I was being silly 18:31 < Kelish> like Vor-King 18:31 < PDV> heehee 18:32 < PDV> well, I'm not Vorking anymore anyway 18:32 < Kelish> =) 18:33 < sigma> Oh hehe 18:44 < sigma> Also I am amused by the Isabella and Addy talk. 18:44 -!- PDV is now known as PDVanished 18:46 < FacelessDude> can someone explain me Gregor and Cordelia relationship and why she would have a reaction to horror form seeing him talking with Hannibal Lecter? http://shitifindon.tumblr.com/post/102451276044/animatedamerican-shitifindon-see-every-time 18:47 < Kelish> Hannibal Lecter is (I think, haven't seen the show) a terrible psychiatrist who tries to convince people to murder or eat people? or something? 18:47 < Kelish> he is not a good person to be talking to, especially if you are at all vulnerable 18:48 < Kelish> is my impression 18:48 < FacelessDude> and gregor is specially vulnerable? 18:48 < Kelish> Gregor is depressed and also responsible for a lot of stuff 18:51 < FacelessDude> huh 18:51 < FacelessDude> and he is close to COrdelia? 18:51 < Kelish> yes, she raised him 18:51 < Kelish> sorta 18:51 -!- PDVanished is now known as PDV 18:57 -!- sigma_ has joined #backstage 18:58 -!- sigma has quit 18:59 -!- sigma has joined #backstage 19:00 -!- sigma has quit 19:00 -!- sigma has joined #backstage 19:00 -!- sigma_ has quit 19:09 -!- Kelish is now known as Kelsupper 19:13 -!- Butcher has quit 19:22 * Teceler pokes at interactions between whatever-I-wind-up-calling-Niryl's-world and Goal 19:22 <@Sonata> Neath? 19:23 <@Sonata> Chitter? 19:23 < Teceler> I considered that, yeah. 19:23 < Teceler> pffft Chitter? 19:23 <@Sonata> *shrugs* 19:23 < Teceler> why? 19:23 <@Sonata> dunno 19:23 < Teceler> okay 19:24 -!- magic_phd has joined #backstage 19:26 < FacelessDude> Why Cordelia raised gregor? 19:30 -!- PDV is now known as PDVanished 19:30 < Teceler> (Things under consideration: Neath, Bazaarine, Message, Judgement, any of the colors, Amalgamy, Dream) 19:30 <@Sonata> Fallen? Echo? 19:31 < Teceler> ooh, Echo would be good too 19:31 * Teceler adds to list. 19:31 <@Sonata> some sort of reference to Firkin of Hesperidean Cider? 19:35 < Andygal> Dream works? 19:37 <@Sonata> Shadow? 19:37 < sigma> Dream backwards is Maerd but that sounds like merde 19:37 < Teceler> okay, part of the problem here is I kind of want it to not just apply to the Neath? 19:38 <@Sonata> Nevercold? 19:38 <@Sonata> I don't really know what the world looks like to the people on the surface 19:39 < Teceler> it's not really known, yeah 19:40 -!- Kelsupper is now known as Kel 19:40 < Kel> magic_phd? 19:40 < Teceler> wb Kel 19:40 < Kel> thanks! 19:40 < Kel> magic_phd is typo in TESTERS WANTED thread intentional? 19:42 < sigma> Oerneath? 19:42 < Kel> ? 19:42 < Kel> I don't see that one 19:42 < Kel> " rem=commend" was the one that looked like probably a typo 19:43 < Teceler> we're talking about names for Niryl's world 19:43 < Teceler> for some reason XD 19:43 < Kel> oh 19:43 < Kel> XD 19:43 < Teceler> ...oh 19:43 < Teceler> oh I know 19:43 < Kel> Oh? 19:43 < Teceler> Correspondence 19:45 < magic_phd> nope, not intentional- thanks for catching it 19:45 < Kel> yw! 19:46 < sigma> The rem is double-bonded to the commend 19:47 < Andygal> ....Seven? *runs* 19:47 < Teceler> pfft 19:47 < Teceler> that's not just Name-related Andygal XD 19:47 < Teceler> (Seven cities) 19:48 < Kel> Seven? 19:48 < Andygal> XD 19:48 < Teceler> Kel: not /yet/ but that is the plan iirc 19:48 < Kel> seven what? 19:48 < Teceler> oh 19:49 < Teceler> um, Seven is a Significant Number in FL 19:49 < sigma> Oerneath is like Neath but with a bonus part for whatever's over the Neath. 19:49 < Teceler> heh 19:49 < Teceler> I figured 19:50 < Teceler> 'Correspondence' seems to fit actually? 19:50 < Kel> and also it sounds sorta like over-neath, like underneath but other way 19:50 < Andygal> does Niryl mess with the Correspondence? 19:50 * Teceler giggles. 19:51 < Teceler> Niryl currently has... [checks] Scholar of the Correspondence 18 19:52 < Andygal> ahahaah 19:52 < Teceler> it would be higher but they haven't gotten an Overgoat or Notablity Watchful boost yet 19:52 < Teceler> yeah XD 19:53 < sigma> Niryl can mint something else and buy Dyne for avoid sleeps? 19:54 < Teceler> those are among the things they are currently considering! 19:54 < Andygal> she'd need a better forum interface first. 19:54 < Teceler> but yeah 19:55 < Teceler> Niryl's also considering seeing if the OTC wants to buy any of the various Neathy things they have sitting around 19:55 < sigma> Thirteenth Hour is either a good idea or a terrible idea 19:55 < Teceler> heeeee 19:55 < Andygal> it is a terrible idea. 19:56 < sigma> Like I heard you had nightmares so I put nightmares in your nightmares. Sort of thing. 19:56 < Teceler> XD 19:57 < Andygal> XD 19:57 < Kel> XD 19:58 < Teceler> Niryl: [looks at description of Nightmares] ...I don't think this is actually interesting or useful enough to be worth dealing with even more of the universe being out to kill me. Thanks though. 19:58 < Kel> pf 19:58 < Kel> [hugs for Niryl] 19:58 < Andygal> (hugs for Niryl) 19:59 < Teceler> Niryl: [is hugged] ??? 19:59 < Andygal> Pretty Much Everyone Else: would you like to move to a better universe? 19:59 < Kel> but probably without that god thing you are attached to 19:59 < Teceler> Niryl: ... [does /not/ want to do that thing] 20:00 < sigma> I don't suppose your universe is amenable to optimism bombing? 20:00 < Teceler> (like, they would if they thought they were going to wind up permanently dead or not have any opportunities left in Correspondence? but) 20:00 * Teceler giggles. 20:03 < Teceler> ...Niryl could mint /so much buddaninka/ if they were willing to seriously mint that. 20:04 < sigma> Feeling insightful? 20:05 < Teceler> (this is courtesy of me looking at the Secrets section of her inventory page. 23,157 Whispered Hints, 28,556 Cryptic Clues, 2,063 Appalling Secrets, and large quantities of the higher-level things too) 20:05 < Kel> O.O 20:05 < Kel> I assume that is a lot 20:05 < Teceler> yeah 20:05 < Kel> ... imagine the automatic catalog 20:06 < Teceler> pfffffft 20:06 < Teceler> okay now I want them to get that XD 20:07 -!- FacelessDude has quit 20:10 < Kel> rrg /another/ initial knowledge check 20:10 -!- Kel is now known as Kelish 20:10 < Teceler> [hugs] 20:11 < Kelish> [hugs] 20:15 * Teceler pokes Evenstar, Verdancy 20:17 <@Sonata> does anyone remember the name of the jewish belief in a small number of virtuous people who don't know who they are and the world rests on their shoulders? 20:17 < Kelish> I've never heard of that one? 20:18 <@Sonata> I think Scott did a pun about it recently with LW = L.V. 20:18 <@Sonata> or something 20:19 < Kelish> Tzadikim Nistarim 20:19 <@Sonata> thanks! 20:19 < Kelish> צַדִיקִים נִסתָּרים 20:19 < Kelish> you're welcome! 20:19 < sigma> It reminds me of the Elect. 20:20 < Kelish> Elect? 20:20 <@Sonata> from Calvinism? 20:20 < Kelish> oh 20:21 < sigma> Yeah, from Calvinism 20:22 -!- sigma_ has joined #backstage 20:23 < sigma_> <Kelish> Elect? 20:23 < sigma_> <@Sonata> from Calvinism? 20:23 < sigma_> <Kelish> oh 20:23 < sigma_> <sigma> Yeah, from Calvinism 20:23 < sigma_> <sigma> But presumably upon closer inspection it's very different 20:23 < Kelish> last did not show up 20:23 < Kelish> nothing said since you dropped though 20:23 < sigma_> Cool 20:24 -!- sigma has quit 20:24 -!- sigma_ is now known as sigma 20:25 -!- PDVanished is now known as PDV 20:25 < sigma> I assume somebody's had the idea of reverse selkies before 20:25 < Kelish> ? 20:26 < PDV> Humans who take off their skins and turn into seals? 20:26 < sigma> Seals inside and humans outside, yeah 20:26 < Kelish> normal selkies make more sense though 20:26 < Kelish> because the human is sealed in 20:26 < Teceler> pffft 20:27 < PDV> ... 20:27 < sigma> It's a funny pun 20:27 * PDV glares 20:27 < Kelish> :D 20:28 < Kelish> ((that is a not-actually upset glare right?)) 20:28 < PDV> no it is a standard pun-glare 20:28 < Kelish> ok 20:28 < Kelish> ;D 20:28 < Kelish> *:D 20:29 < sigma> It's important for Joy World's selkies because that universe believes in conservation of mass and the seal bodies are smaller than the human bodies. 20:30 < Kelish> I think seals are bigger? 20:30 * Kelish googles 20:30 < sigma> Depending on the species. 20:30 < Kelish> looks like it varies by species 20:31 < Kelish> but some are a little bigger than humans 20:31 < sigma> Afaik from my aquarium visits. 20:31 < Kelish> ok 20:31 < Kelish> here is a gif of a guy being hugged by a seal http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2014-01/enhanced/webdr03/24/10/anigif_enhanced-buzz-10557-1390577750-13.gif 20:31 < Andygal> depends on the species. 20:31 < Andygal> also the gender. 20:32 < Andygal> some species of seal have massive sexual dimorphism. 20:32 < sigma> I hope hugging is what's going on there. 20:33 < Kelish> I think? 20:33 < Kelish> it was described as by google images? 20:33 < Kelish> and I think if something else camera person would intervene? 20:33 < Andygal> that is a rather large seal. 20:34 < Andygal> difficult to intervene with. 20:34 < Kelish> oh 20:34 < Kelish> I don't know then, sorry 20:34 < Kelish> :( 20:35 -!- sigma_ has joined #backstage 20:35 -!- sigma has quit 20:36 < sigma_> Then they would be more dimorphic. 20:40 -!- sigma_ is now known as sigma 20:40 < sigma> Elephant seals are hug and not what I was thinking of. 20:41 < sigma> Huge 20:41 < Andygal> I am gonna assume you meant "huge". 20:41 < Andygal> pffft timing. 20:41 < sigma> They seem a bit hazardous for hug. 20:42 < Andygal> Yes :) 20:44 -!- sigma_ has joined #backstage 20:46 -!- sigma has quit 20:46 -!- sigma_ is now known as sigma 20:48 -!- sigma_ has joined #backstage 20:49 -!- sigma has quit 20:52 -!- sigma_ is now known as sigma 20:53 -!- sigma_ has joined #backstage 20:55 -!- sigma has quit 21:01 -!- sigma has joined #backstage 21:03 -!- sigma_ has quit 21:04 < PDV> Evenstar, about how tired does minting a Dyne make you? 21:07 -!- sigma_ has joined #backstage 21:07 <@Sonata> it's an hour worth of fatigue 21:08 <@Sonata> so as much as being active/awake for an hour 21:08 < PDV> ah 21:08 < Kelish> I don't think I get it? 21:08 < Kelish> like, being active and awake causes a different amount of fatigue 21:08 <@Sonata> mm 21:09 <@Sonata> a straightforward use of dyne would be to fix jetlag 21:09 -!- sigma has quit 21:09 <@Sonata> suppose you're flying an hour west 21:09 <@Sonata> so you need to move your sleep schedule later 21:10 <@Sonata> you redeem a dyne when you would normally go to bed, so you can stay up for another hour 21:11 < Kelish> mm 21:11 < Kelish> it seems like a different amount of energy at the end of the day than at the middle though too? 21:11 <@Sonata> and if you fly east, you mint dyne to fall asleep early 21:11 <@Sonata> *shrug* 21:11 < Kelish> ok 21:11 < Kelish> I think I sorta get it now 21:12 <@Sonata> it's possible you could get extra productivity by minting in the evening and redeeming in the morning, you'd have to ask Evenstar about that 21:12 < Kelish> ok 21:12 < Kelish> ... ohno I was supposed to be doing a thing 21:13 < Teceler> [hugs] 21:13 < Teceler> I'm going to away for a bit 21:13 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Away 21:23 -!- sigma_ is now known as sigma 21:26 -!- sigma_ has joined #backstage 21:28 -!- sigma has quit 21:29 < Kelish> My mom's home! :) 21:29 < Kelish> also belated, [hugs] 21:30 < Kelish> ALEKS is not interesting when it is learning things you already know 21:30 * Kelish sighs 21:35 -!- sigma has joined #backstage 21:36 -!- sigma has quit 21:36 -!- sigma_ has quit 21:36 -!- sigma has joined #backstage 21:45 < sigma> Hee, sparks just sparkin' out. (Suchi) 21:47 < Evenstar> (Oh god) 21:47 < Evenstar> (I just realized, I gave a world with sparks super-coffee) 21:47 < PDV> Not that they needed it 21:47 < Evenstar> (in the form of Dyne) 21:48 < Evenstar> (Sparks need to rest /sometime/ but NOT WITH DYNE) 21:48 < Evenstar> (DYNE) 21:48 < PDV> On the other hand generating super-coffee is even more helpful to them 21:48 < Evenstar> (IT KEEPS YOU ON YOUR FEET) 21:48 < Evenstar> (DYNE) 21:48 < Evenstar> TOO POWERFUL TO BE CONTAINED BY MERE PARENTHESES 21:48 < Evenstar> DYYYYYNNNEEEEEE 21:48 < Evenstar> ... What was I saying? 21:48 < PDV> Also the River Dyne is just a pure stream of Dyne and insanity 21:48 < sigma> There should have been a clue in the River Dyne 21:49 < Evenstar> ... I wonder if Dynes actually originated from a nearby worldsheaf to Yarth where someone managed to bottle Dyne water safely 21:49 < PDV> sounds good to me 21:50 < Evenstar> ... Sorry, I just realized I said 'bottle dyne water safely' 21:50 < PDV> Dyne is the Jagerbrau 21:50 < PDV> :P 21:51 < PDV> But yeah, I figure Suchi is full Spark fugue is generating about 1 Dyne per minute above baseline. There will be a hangover when she cuts off, where she's left with like 10% of normal energy for a few hours 21:51 < PDV> which will make it hard to remember she can fix it 21:51 < Evenstar> (That is interesting, because it means you might be able to induce full Spark fugue at will using Dyne) 21:52 -!- Teceler|Away is now known as Teceler 21:52 < Evenstar> (Also, I am amused by the use of 'fugue' to describe spark-altered-consciousness) 21:52 < PDV> I'm treating it as a separate thing. One of the side-effects of Spark fugue is Gratuitous Amounts of Energy 21:52 < Evenstar> (Because it fits so well with Heterodyning) 21:52 < PDV> :D 21:53 <@Sonata> Soon they'll all be 'dyneing. 21:53 < Teceler> Evenstar! Do I guess correctly that the OTC is liable to interested in various Neathy things? :P 21:53 < PDV> (This, of course, makes you Too Energetic For Normal Activities. And you have to do the intellectual equivalent of bear-blasting, which makes it hard to remember that ethics are a thing.) 21:54 < PDV> The OTC already has Parabola-linen 21:54 < Teceler> mhm, that implies contact with Parabola 21:54 < PDV> So you're probably circumventing some of the Master's tariffs this way. 21:54 < Teceler> pfffft 21:54 < sigma> tonight we dyne in hell 21:55 <@Sonata> bear-blasting? 21:55 < PDV> referencing a silly video. Powerthirst 21:55 < Evenstar> PDV: Yep! 21:55 < Teceler> [reads OTC thread] ... [tries to work out if Niryl /actually says/ 'what the heck is that supposed to mean' (or, well, a variant thereof)] 21:56 < Evenstar> use DYNE and you'll be good at SPORTS! 21:56 < PDV> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRuNxHqwazs 21:56 < PDV> It's like Dyne in a can! It's Dyne in a can! Powerthirst is Dyne! 22:01 < sigma> I can't check out the video right now, but I'm picturing off-brand Brawndo. 22:02 < PDV> This is very much like Brawndo 22:02 < PDV> The Brawndo videos were made by the same people, actually. 22:02 < PDV> But Powerthirst came first. 22:03 < Teceler> Evenstar: forum-tag 22:05 * Andygal has shopped. 22:07 < sigma> Andygal is shopped, I can see the pixels 22:07 < Teceler> pfffft 22:08 < Andygal> pffffft 22:08 < Andygal> for food I meant XD 22:17 < sigma> Powerthirst. I see. 22:18 < sigma> In their usual usage mode I don't think Dyne are meant to make you uncomfortably energetic 22:18 < PDV> If you used like 10 Dyne right after waking up, they might? Evenstar? 22:19 < PDV> But yeah, I think Dyne are more mental, less physical 22:26 -!- Sky has joined #backstage 22:28 < sigma> Hi Sky! 22:28 < Teceler> hello Sky 22:28 < Sky> hi 22:28 < Andygal> Hi. 22:29 < PDV> `\o 22:37 -!- Kelish is now known as Kel 22:37 < Kel> hi 22:37 < Teceler> hello Kel! 22:37 < Teceler> are you actually-here now? 22:37 < Kel> yeah 22:43 < Evenstar> PDV: Yep. 22:43 < Evenstar> If you spend ten dyne or so you will be as rested as if you had spent the last 20 hours asleep 22:43 < Evenstar> like, continuously asleep 22:43 < sigma> That's 22:43 < Evenstar> Oh wait, ten dyne? 22:43 < Evenstar> Hahahahaah 22:44 < sigma> Potentially not very alert at all? 22:44 < Kel> (I would probably actually be /less/ rested from that?) 22:44 < Evenstar> Yeah you will be UNCOMFORTABLY ENERGETIC 22:44 < Andygal> hahaahaha 22:44 < Evenstar> because you have the energy of 100 hours of sleep just all dumped into you at once 22:44 < Teceler> pffft 22:44 < Andygal> like "too much coffee" 22:44 < Evenstar> OTC recommends against overclocking your brain :P 22:44 < PDV> overclock a processor instead? 22:44 < sigma> Now imagining Sleeping Beauty 22:45 < Kel> that is not a fun brain yeah 22:45 < Andygal> don't overclock anything! 22:45 < Andygal> it might explode! 22:45 < Evenstar> I would imagine that you would start SHOUTING a LOT and be generally MANIC because you have so much ENERGY 22:46 < Kel> (sparkles) 22:46 < Evenstar> You would temporarily have ludicrous concentration, attentional resources, etc etc 22:46 < Teceler> pffft 22:46 < Teceler> ...Evenstar 22:46 < Teceler> Evenstar what are large-denomination dyne like? 22:46 < Evenstar> I imagine it would look a lot like ADHD from the outside if you weren't used to being able to handle so much of your sensory input simultaneously 22:46 < Andygal> do not give ludcrious amounts of Dyne to Miles. 22:47 < Evenstar> Teceler: Well firstly they are hazardous to be around because they are UNCOMFORTABLY ENERGETIC 22:47 < Evenstar> I mean, like, don't stand near it without a faraday cage 22:47 < Evenstar> You will get hit by lightning 22:47 < Evenstar> REAL LIGHTNING 22:47 < Teceler> ...pfffffft 22:47 < Evenstar> Also basically everything in the vicinity works on movie physics. 22:48 < Kel> ? 22:48 < Kel> why? 22:48 < Evenstar> Because there's so much ambient ENERGY 22:48 < Andygal> movie physics? 22:48 < Evenstar> regular gasoline becomes made of explodium 22:48 < Kel> I would imagine that making things go /faster/ or /brighter colored/ 22:48 < Teceler> XD 22:48 < Kel> rather than less real? 22:48 < Andygal> Oh. Like action movie physics. 22:48 < Teceler> yeah, what Kel said 22:48 < Evenstar> velocities are rediculously enhanced. 22:49 < sigma> Dodge bullet? 22:49 < Kel> h 22:49 < Andygal> does your guitaur become an EPIC guitaur? 22:49 < Kel> being in the vicinity of high TKR makes you experience the feeling of minting TKR 22:49 < Evenstar> Yeah, everything is ACTION-PACKED. And yes, but as soon as the high-velocity bullet enters the area of the Dyne it probably starts leaving a trail of electricity or fire or both so you're not unscathed. 22:49 < Kel> could it Drain energy? 22:50 < Teceler> no, tkr are weird 22:50 < Evenstar> Kel: No, TKR are weird 22:50 < Teceler> XD 22:50 < Kel> huh 22:50 < Kel> XD 22:50 < Teceler> I asked this question before XD 22:50 < Andygal> TKR are weird. 22:50 < Teceler> my theory on tkr is that you're minting the ability to avoid the pain 22:50 < Evenstar> Dyne make their environment really energetic. 22:50 < Teceler> just, with weird what-constitutes-that 22:51 < sigma> Guitaur like half guitar half bull? 22:51 < Evenstar> High-powered Dyne, very much so. 22:51 < Kel> hm 22:51 < Evenstar> I would expect that you would need a special facility to store Dyne in 22:51 < Kel> so you could sit next to 20K Dyne 22:51 < Kel> and use it to mint dyne? 22:51 < Evenstar> because what they likely do is just generate energy out of nowhere in an uncontrolled fashion 22:51 < Teceler> iirc the theory is that if you have that much you could make that anyway 22:52 < Evenstar> Kel: You'd need a larger dyne but yes. 22:52 < Kel> 100K? 22:52 < Evenstar> Just like you can use a Lotus to mint more Takkarash. 22:52 < Teceler> also the ability not to die horribly from being near that large of a dyne 22:52 < Teceler> :P 22:52 < Evenstar> Kel: in the vicinity of a few billion 22:52 < Kel> ... 22:52 < Evenstar> Yeah 22:52 < Kel> that is a lot 22:52 < Evenstar> Because you /breathe/ 22:52 < Evenstar> And breathing is slow combustion. 22:52 < Evenstar> If you are biological and step near a dyne... 22:52 < Evenstar> (A biiiig dyne) 22:52 * Andygal cannot spell. 22:53 < Evenstar> You could spontaneously light on fire from your lungs. 22:53 < Kel> yay! 22:53 < Teceler> ... 22:53 < Teceler> pffft Kel XD 22:53 < Kel> wait 22:53 < Kel> hm 22:53 < Kel> in a fun way or? 22:53 < PDV> Well, you'd get Takkarash from it as well... 22:53 < Evenstar> In a fun way near the edges, becoming increasingly literal as you approached 22:53 < Andygal> Kel: a Joker would find it fun! 22:54 < Kel> ok so /not/ fun 22:54 < Kel> for me 22:54 < Evenstar> Do not bring Nitroglycerin near a Dynamo. 22:54 < Kel> ... is that what it is called? 22:54 < Evenstar> That is a terrible idea, why would you do that. 22:54 < Evenstar> (Yes, like a Gemheart for Ka) 22:54 < Kel> I was kinda thinking being around Dyne might feel kinda like when there are bubbles in everything 22:54 < Teceler> pffft 22:55 < Andygal> Gemheart hahaahahaahaha 22:55 < Evenstar> (or a Lotus for TK) 22:55 < Andygal> Is that an intentional Stormlight Archive reference? 22:55 < Teceler> Evenstar, remind me why being around a Gemheart is a horrible idea, I appear to have forgotten XD 22:55 < Evenstar> (It is literally a gem heart. Also yep.) 22:55 < Andygal> Awesome! 22:55 < Evenstar> Gemhearts youth you! They are nice. 22:55 < Evenstar> Unfortunately, they are condensed essence of life 22:56 < Andygal> is this like the positive energy plane from D&D where you explode if you stay there too long? 22:56 < Teceler> aha, I knew there was some horrifying side effect 22:56 < Evenstar> so you should keep them in a /really/ well-sealed room to prevent horrible biohazards. 22:56 < Evenstar> Because microbes. 22:56 < Teceler> Firewall: AAAAAAA 22:56 < Andygal> ewww. 22:56 < Kel> XD 22:57 < Evenstar> It is at least better than Udi 22:57 < Kel> oh? 22:57 < Evenstar> Really big Udi are Wonderweaves (They kind of give up on being coins) 22:58 < Andygal> I thought Udi were kind of iffy on being coins in the first place? 22:58 < Evenstar> If you are near one: 1: Just about anything can happen, because Udi are dreams, and 2: Everything is alive and awake, because Udi are desires. 22:58 < Teceler> also iirc they write your personality? 22:58 < Evenstar> Think of it as a cross between Parabola and Polythreme. 22:58 < Teceler> or was that a different--pffft 22:58 < Andygal> meeep. 22:58 < Evenstar> And yes, they randomly generate new desires in you. 22:58 < Teceler> Niryl: oh, hey, this again. 22:59 < Andygal> hahahaha 22:59 < Evenstar> Buddhitanka will also make the walls wake up eventually 22:59 < Teceler> pffft 22:59 < Evenstar> they are more subtly scary 22:59 < Evenstar> because of the Library of Babel problem 23:00 < Andygal> Evenstar: your currencies are delightfully creepy. 23:00 < Evenstar> in a literally infinite search space, there will be a true and irrefutable argument that will cause you to become a completely different person. 23:00 < sigma> Some of these dangers seem mitigable with a good minting kit? 23:00 < Teceler> ...I feel like Esthfora would nope that Evenstar? 23:00 < Evenstar> Yes! They're not insurmountable. 23:01 < Evenstar> Teceler: But the issue is that the argument would be something Esthfora could rainbow. 23:01 < Teceler> ? 23:01 < Kel> I also think Kappa would rule that /Jokers/ nope that? 23:01 < Kel> but not sure 23:02 < Teceler> that or 'they will refuse to go near this thing' XD 23:02 < Evenstar> Jokers are self-defining and cheat at lot at mind things! 23:02 < Kel> XD 23:02 < Teceler> XD 23:02 < Andygal> Esthfora could totally rainbow that sort of thing. 23:02 < Teceler> Evenstar: what do you mean about the issue being the argument being rainbowable? 23:03 < Evenstar> Teceler: I mean that Esthfora could say the whole thing and have it be rainbow-glowy. 23:03 < Evenstar> It would be absolutely true. 23:03 < Kel> good night 23:03 < Teceler> sleep well Kel 23:03 < Kel> thanks! 23:03 < Andygal> goodnight. 23:03 < Kel> you too! 23:03 < Teceler> Evenstar: I think Esthfora could also still block it XD 23:03 < Evenstar> Probably! 23:04 < Andygal> Esthfora will still block true things if they would affect the person she's protecting in a way they would not want. 23:04 < Teceler> that, yeah 23:04 -!- Kel is now known as Kelsleep 23:04 < Evenstar> But yes, the more mundane issure with being near large Buddhitanka is the trouble with any sort of memory modification 23:05 < Evenstar> IE, you can start believing false things. 23:05 < Evenstar> Like "I am a frog" 23:05 < Teceler> ...Esthfora is apparantly very useful for being around large coins XD 23:05 < Evenstar> (Of course, with a notebook that you trust and the ability to mint, you can fix most basic issues) 23:06 < Evenstar> (And there's a very large search space for BT, it's unlikely to hit anything particularly relevant to you) 23:06 < sigma> Entity of mind is useful around coins of mind 23:06 < Teceler> but there's that risk 23:06 < Teceler> sigma: heh, point 23:06 < Evenstar> (Very small, but it's there) 23:06 < Evenstar> Have you read the original short story about the library of Babel? 23:08 < Evenstar> One of the things that exists in the Library is one's 'Vindication' 23:09 < Evenstar> It is a true and complete account of how one's life was spent well and how everything you did was justified in the end, down to the minutest detail. 23:09 < Teceler> ...aaa. 23:09 -!- Kelsleep has quit 23:10 < Evenstar> Simultaneously, we can infer that there is a book in the Library for /everyone/ which is their Denunciation. 23:10 < Evenstar> A true and complete account of how one's life was utterly wasted, led to ruin, was entirely worthless, down to the minutest detail. 23:11 < Evenstar> (And innumberable version of both of these with errors, with lies, with falsifications, etc, etc...) 23:12 < Evenstar> The risk when you step near a really large BT is that you will, against all the odds 23:12 < Evenstar> be faced with a book 23:12 < Evenstar> that is like /that/ 23:12 < Evenstar> Despite the infinite vastness of the Library. 23:14 < Evenstar> Oh, also 23:15 < Evenstar> there is an exceedingly, vanishingly thin chance that you will accidentally become God 23:15 < Teceler> ...pffft 23:15 < Teceler> how? 23:15 < sigma> Oops! 23:15 < Teceler> XD 23:15 < Andygal> XD 23:15 <@Sonata> if you see a thing that tells you how 23:15 <@Sonata> ? 23:16 < Evenstar> There is some thought out there that is the key and lock to the universe, analogous to the 'true catalog' of the Library of Babel. 23:17 < Evenstar> It is a book that shows you what books are true and what books are false, where to find them, etc, etc, etc. 23:17 < Evenstar> The 'cipher and perfect compendium' of all other thought. 23:18 < Evenstar> If by some unreasonably freakish chance you end up with /that/ thought from a BT... yep. 23:19 -!- Sky has quit 23:19 < Evenstar> (That said, the actual chance of finding something that's an infohazard to you specifically is astonishingly low) 23:19 <@Sonata> similar to looking at tv static or mashing your keyboard? 23:20 < sigma> I assume the odds of a personal infohazard are lower than those of, say, a species-wide infohazard? 23:20 < Evenstar> Yep. 23:21 < Evenstar> But if you stare at TV static for long enough you will eventually see a face. 23:21 < Evenstar> (For extremely generous values of 'a face') 23:21 < Evenstar> (Or 'long enough') 23:21 < Teceler> XD 23:21 < Evenstar> (depending.) 23:22 < Evenstar> Basically, gaining BT from really big BT is like playing the Infohazard Lottery 23:22 < Evenstar> You probably won't win! 23:22 < Teceler> Firewall: aaaaa 23:22 < Evenstar> But /somebody/ does. Eventually. 23:22 < Evenstar> It might take trillions of years. 23:22 < Evenstar> But /somebody/ is going to get /something/ really nasty from a BT. 23:23 * Teceler glances at Seeking 23:23 < Andygal> aaaaaaaaaaa. 23:24 < Evenstar> (Of course, the odds are improved by the existence of species-wide infohazards.) 23:24 < Evenstar> (well, 'improved') 23:24 < Teceler> pffft 23:25 < Andygal> pffffft 23:26 < sigma> Possibly should be neurotype-specific, in a world like Eclipse where what is species. 23:26 < sigma> Neurotype-wide 23:26 < Evenstar> (On the whole I'd say 'false information' is orders of magnitude more likely than 'true information', which is orders of magnitude more likely than 'dangerous information', which is then orders and order of magnitude more likely than 'relevant information'.) 23:27 < sigma> Fortunately, when redeeming Buddhitanka, the OTC has a way to guarantee relevant information? 23:27 < Evenstar> ... "I should take up e-cigarettes so I can charge one with a cigarette lighter" 23:27 < Evenstar> sigma: Nope 23:28 < Teceler> well 23:28 < Evenstar> Well, they try. 23:28 < Evenstar> :P 23:28 < Teceler> you get something vaguely relevant to your question XD 23:28 < Evenstar> 'most relevant to your situation' is generally only vaguely so 23:28 < Evenstar> because while OTC is very very big 23:28 < Evenstar> the set of 'all available thoughts' is just 23:28 < Evenstar> ... yeah. 23:29 < Evenstar> You're lucky they have a planet vaguely similar to your planet. :P 23:29 < Teceler> --wait, I thought buddhitanka (what /is/ the abbreviation for that?) just drew from things that had been minted as such? 23:29 < sigma> What is this about e-cigarettes? 23:30 < Evenstar> BT, and yes they do which is why they are able to be relevant at all rather than just thinking about the color G# linoleum. 23:30 < Teceler> pffft 23:30 < Evenstar> sigma: I just encountered this sentence in the wild 23:30 < Evenstar> It just made me go 'technology is weird and also people are' 23:31 < sigma> There would be a certain irony to such a charging process. 23:31 < Andygal> hence why people are weird. 23:31 < Evenstar> Yep. 23:42 < sigma> Writing is kinda hard. 23:44 < Evenstar> Yep! 23:50 < sigma> Did I tell you my stupid writing project of the day? 23:55 < Andygal> hmm? 23:58 < sigma> This happened. http://zerofarad.tumblr.com/post/127097316491/andaisq-zerofarad-andaisq-oh-shit-oh --- Day changed Thu Aug 20 2015 00:00 < sigma> So I've been conducting research and writing the first few sentences of a terrible, terrible fic. 00:01 -!- Evenstar has quit 00:02 < sigma> Aww, Evenstar quit. 00:13 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 00:14 < Teceler> I'm going to go sleep now 00:14 < Andygal> Night. 00:14 < Teceler> good night all 00:15 < Teceler> (Andygal if I remember you timezone correctly you are about due to go sleep too?) 00:15 < Teceler> (tell me if I am being annoying poking you about this) 00:15 < Andygal> Yeah soon. 00:15 < Teceler> okay 00:15 < Teceler> sleep well when you do 00:15 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Asleep 00:15 < Andygal> Thanks. 00:17 -!- PDV is now known as PDVanished 00:17 -!- PDVanished is now known as PDV 00:17 -!- PDV has quit 00:31 -!- PDV has joined #backstage 00:49 -!- Sonata has quit 00:52 -!- Verdancy is now known as VerdanZzz 00:52 < VerdanZzz> Good night, everyone. 00:52 < Andygal> Night! 00:52 < PDV> night 00:56 -!- sigma has quit 01:02 <@Adelene> PUPPY http://into-the-weeds.tumblr.com/post/127079731949/i-peed-so-hard-i-laughed-kuavsui-mjwatson 02:08 -!- PDV is now known as PDZzzzzz 02:09 -!- PDZzzzzz is now known as PDZzzzzzanished 02:17 -!- magic_phd has quit 02:17 -!- VerdanZzz has quit 02:23 -!- PDZzzzzzanished has quit 02:24 -!- PDV has joined #backstage
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Post by Mother Starlight on Aug 21, 2015 21:40:40 GMT
03:02 -!- PDV has quit 03:45 -!- Andygal has quit 06:58 -!- FacelessWork has joined #backstage 06:58 < FacelessWork> hello 07:04 -!- FacelessWork has quit 07:11 -!- FacelessWork has joined #backstage 07:11 < FacelessWork> hi again? 07:13 -!- Kel has joined #backstage 07:16 < FacelessWork> hi kel 07:16 < Kel> Hi! 07:36 < Kel> rrrrrg ALEKS keeps saying I'm doing things wrong because it's not formatted 07:36 < Kel> like it is /supposed/ to be 1 cm/.01 m rather than 100 cm/m EVEN IF I AM CONVERTING TO CM 08:01 < Kel> goodbye I am off to school 08:01 -!- Kel is now known as Kelsehwere 08:01 -!- Kelsehwere is now known as Kelsewhere 08:05 -!- Kelsewhere has quit 09:04 -!- Kelsewhere has joined #backstage 09:18 -!- Teceler|Asleep is now known as Teceler 09:46 < FacelessWork> So anyone up? 09:46 < Teceler> hello 09:49 < FacelessWork> how are things? 09:50 < Teceler> okay 09:50 < Teceler> you? 09:50 < FacelessWork> good 10:07 -!- Kelsewhere has quit 10:17 -!- Verdancy has joined #backstage 10:17 < Verdancy> Hi, everyone. 10:17 < Teceler> hello Verdancy 10:18 < Verdancy> Hi! 10:57 < FacelessWork> late hi 11:18 < Verdancy> Also late hi 12:00 -!- Sky has joined #backstage 12:17 -!- sigma has joined #backstage 12:43 -!- sigma has quit 12:50 -!- Kelsewhere has joined #backstage 13:09 -!- PDV has joined #backstage 13:28 -!- PDV has quit 13:47 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 13:47 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 13:52 < Teceler> hello Sonata 13:53 -!- Kelsewhere has quit 13:55 <@Sonata> Hi. 13:57 < FacelessWork> hi 14:08 -!- FacelessWork has quit 14:29 -!- Sonata is now known as sonataway 14:33 -!- MTC has quit 15:20 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 15:20 < Teceler> hello Andygal 15:20 < Andygal> Hi. 16:06 -!- Evenstar has joined #backstage 16:08 < Andygal> Hi! 16:09 < Teceler> hello Evenstar 16:12 < Evenstar> Hi! 16:12 < Andygal> how're you? 16:13 < Evenstar> good 16:14 < Evenstar> though unsettled by Suchi's use of dyne minting :P 16:14 < Teceler> pfft 16:14 < Andygal> pffft. 16:15 <@Adelene> Evenstar, we had a question re: tk minting with emotions 16:16 <@Adelene> Is it generic e.g. fear, or is there a library of specific fears, or is it mutable based on the recipient's frame of mind? 16:17 < Evenstar> Adelene: I would say 'minting emotional pain is not officially supported by OTC' 16:18 <@Adelene> ...erm, hm. 16:18 < Evenstar> Because the OTC does not want to give people reasons to live in a perpetual state of fear/sadness/etc. 16:18 <@Adelene> Yeah. 16:18 < Evenstar> That is kind of antithetical to its goals. 16:19 <@Adelene> That's, uh. Was not communicated sufficiently well, oops? 16:19 < Evenstar> Sorry! 16:19 <@Adelene> And that's kind of a problem, 'cause if Lurker was not able to do that then several things would have happened quite differently here. :P 16:20 < Evenstar> (Also when you start generating other emotions you are bleeding over into Udi and BT.) 16:20 < Evenstar> Adelene: I'm saying 'it's an off-label use' 16:20 <@Adelene> *nod* 16:20 <@Adelene> The problem I'm seeing is that if it isn't fully supported she doesn't have a way to generate fear to mint with. 16:21 < Evenstar> Do it at your own risk, OTC will not protect you from damages caused by personal experimentation. 16:21 < Evenstar> Adelene: Eva personally probably has a large library of distressing experiences! 16:22 <@Adelene> Hmh. 16:22 <@Adelene> I feel like if that's a conversation that happened that would have changed some of the subsequent interactions a little. 16:22 < Evenstar> Would you prefer 'fleeing from totalitarian government goons', 'wrapped in the web of a giant spider', or 'drowning in chocolate'? 16:22 <@Adelene> heh. 16:23 < Andygal> "drowning in chocolate"? 16:23 < Teceler> Adelene, iirc Lurker didn't have fear-pain until after the Inavet thing anyway? 16:23 < Evenstar> Eva has had a /long/ time to acquire interesting memories. 16:23 <@Adelene> Tec: Yeah, that's not the problem here. 16:23 < Teceler> okay 16:23 <@Adelene> Lurker knows the OTC rep is Eva, is a thing. 16:23 < Teceler> --/ah/ 16:24 < Evenstar> (Well, the OTC rep is not /necessarily/ Eva /all/ the time.) 16:24 <@Adelene> And she reacts differently to people she knows well and has a history of personal cooperation with than to people she doesn't. 16:24 <@Adelene> (For various values of 'knows well' and relatedly various values of 'differently'.) 16:25 < Evenstar> (It's rare, but Eva is 'out of the office' on occasion.) 16:25 <@Adelene> *nod* 16:25 < Evenstar> (She does get vacations etc.) 16:25 <@Adelene> I kind of think she'd've been able to reognize her? 16:25 < Evenstar> True! 16:25 <@Adelene> Maybe not, but. 16:25 <@Adelene> It is /possible/ that that interaction went professionally enough not to affect much, but. 16:26 < Evenstar> Hm. 16:26 < Evenstar> ... Okay, here's an option 16:28 < Evenstar> Eva gave Lurker 'fear' preloaded on her minting kit despite it not being a normally-accessible flavor, on request by Lurker when she recieved her minting kit? 16:28 < Evenstar> Mm, messes with the timeline a bit. 16:29 < Teceler> that probably requires them having a conversation about flavors though? 16:29 < Teceler> at the very least 16:29 <@Adelene> Lurker upgraded her kit after the Ina thing, and probably poked at it some before requesting fear. 16:31 <@Adelene> *examines intuitions there* 16:32 <@Adelene> Is it possible that the kit comes with, like, a notation that emotional minting is a thing but you have to talk to a rep and maybe do a waiver to get it? 16:32 < Evenstar> Possible! 16:33 <@Adelene> That seems like something Lurker would do, after poking at the other flavors and determining they don't work all that well for her. 16:33 <@Adelene> And if it's already formalized like that it doesn't mess with her interactions with Eva much. 16:33 < Teceler> and how does that interaction having happened affect things--ah 16:34 < Evenstar> Alright, that works then 16:34 <@Adelene> Cool, thanks. 16:34 < Evenstar> Consider it so retconned 16:34 <@Adelene> :) 16:34 < Evenstar> /so/ retconned 16:34 <@Adelene> heh. 16:34 < Teceler> XD 16:34 <@Adelene> So, the question still stands about how that fear /works/. 16:34 <@Adelene> (8/20/2015 4:15:26 PM) Adelene: Is it generic e.g. fear, or is there a library of specific fears, or is it mutable based on the recipient's frame of mind? 16:35 < Evenstar> Adelene: Likely the latter. 16:35 <@Adelene> Ok. 16:35 < Teceler> ...um, there are three things there? 16:35 <@Adelene> That's actually ideal given Esthfora, but also works out to the same thing as the library in Lurker's case. 16:36 < Teceler> (oh, 'latter' in the sense of 'last'?) 16:36 < Evenstar> (yes.) 16:39 <@Adelene> Also I think this probably goes without saying, but the automatic backoff, one definition of 'overwhelmed' is 'having lost track of the fact that you can stop the minting'? 16:42 < Evenstar> Adelene: Yes. 16:42 < Evenstar> Definitely. 16:42 <@Adelene> *nod* 16:42 <@Adelene> Figured. 16:42 < Teceler> would that be straightforwardly obvious on interacting with a minting kit etc? 16:43 < Evenstar> (Only the high-end kits /don't/ have the automatic back-off.) 16:43 < Evenstar> (That's why they require waivers.) 16:43 < Evenstar> (Or rather, only they can be set to not have it.) 16:44 < Teceler> (can they be set to back off at different thresholds/criteria?) 16:44 < Evenstar> Teceler: OTC don't push it hard because they don't want people to substitute safety features for their own good judgements. 16:45 < Evenstar> You can find out with minimal inquiries, though. 16:45 * Teceler nods. 16:45 < Evenstar> (IE, if you ask 'do you have safety features' the device will tell you what they are, but you have to inquire.) 16:45 < Teceler> pfft 16:45 < Teceler> okay 16:48 < Teceler> (is it obvious you can ask the device things? :P) 16:48 <@Adelene> At very least I think it's obvious on the ones with the downloadable flavors, since it probably uses the same interface. 16:49 < Evenstar> (It does inform you that 'for more information, simply think at the inbuilt user's manual or speak with an OTC rep') 16:49 < Evenstar> (Incidentally, I need to build an appropriately Takkarash 'information interface') 16:49 < Teceler> pffft 16:50 < Teceler> speaking of which how are the painflavors set on a tkr minting kit? 16:50 < Evenstar> through said interface! 16:50 < Evenstar> (Which is why I need to make it) 16:50 < Teceler> pfft 16:54 < Andygal> is it a visual interface or auditory, or does it adapt to the user? 16:54 < Teceler> I would expect it to adapt to the user 16:54 < Teceler> at least some 16:54 < Evenstar> Adapts to the user. 16:56 -!- magic_phd has joined #backstage 16:58 < Andygal> makes it a bit difficult to design an interface then! 16:58 < Andygal> hi Magic_phd 16:59 < magic_phd> hi 17:09 * Teceler pokes her computer cautiously 17:16 -!- Kelsewhere has joined #backstage 17:17 < Evenstar> Hi magic_Phd! 17:17 < Evenstar> I tagged you again! 17:20 -!- Kelsewhere has quit 17:22 < magic_phd> Tagged back :). You'll get the next installment in a few week. IRL it's because I'm going to be busy, in character because going from observation to creation is hard and takes time. 17:32 < Evenstar> I should check how long it's been since Lioncourt got her pocket computer. 17:33 < Evenstar> It's been more than a month OOC at least 17:52 -!- FacelessYoshi has joined #backstage 17:53 < Verdancy> ohm y fucking go d you guys my mom just found my peggy sue twilight fanfiction from back when i was thirteen i can't 17:53 < FacelessYoshi> hi 17:53 < Verdancy> Hi! 17:53 < Verdancy> omfg i can't 17:53 < Teceler> hello faceless 17:53 < Teceler> [hugs?] 17:53 < Verdancy> no, no, this is /hilarious/ 17:53 < Verdancy> i can't stop laughing 17:53 < FacelessYoshi> elaborate? 17:54 < FacelessYoshi> both the situation and the fanfic plot 17:55 < Verdancy> she was going through old school stuff and it was in a composition notebook 17:56 < Verdancy> (cleverly hidden by not writing in the first few pages) 17:56 < Verdancy> so the plot is 17:56 < Verdancy> the volturi win 17:56 < Verdancy> lots of people die 17:57 < Verdancy> bella ends up locked up because she's interesting, somehow ends up with this other vampire who can do the peggy sue thing 17:58 < Verdancy> goes back in time, attempts various methods of deposing the volturi, including covert assassination by flamethrower 17:58 < Verdancy> (as a human) 17:59 < Verdancy> keeps dying, this is her seventh run 17:59 < Verdancy> the plot is basically time shenanigans plus gratuitous murder 17:59 < Verdancy> and manipulation 18:00 < Verdancy> i cannot believe 18:00 < Verdancy> this is a thing i wrote 18:00 < Verdancy> oh my god 18:00 < Andygal> .... 18:00 < Verdancy> pffffffft 18:00 < Teceler> well, at least it's amusing? XD 18:00 < Verdancy> it iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis 18:02 < FacelessYoshi> xD 18:02 < FacelessYoshi> your mom reaction 18:02 < Andygal> I wrote some terrible terrible fanfiction once. 18:02 < FacelessYoshi> ? 18:02 < Andygal> mercifically it has probably been lost in one of several computer replacements. 18:02 < FacelessYoshi> I have Luminosity terrible fanfiction, I am okay with people reading it, as long they do so without looking it directly, but that is more for their own safety 18:03 < Verdancy> this is not the worst fanfiction i have ever written 18:03 < Verdancy> i have written TERRIBLE THINGS that should NEVER SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY 18:04 < Verdancy> also all the stories I wrote about ducks, but they are kind of cute in hindsight 18:04 < Verdancy> considering they were written by a six-year-old 18:05 < Teceler> pfft 18:05 < Verdancy> :D 18:07 < FacelessYoshi> stories about ducks? 18:07 < Verdancy> >.> 18:08 < FacelessYoshi> that wasnt a criticism 18:08 < Verdancy> there were a lot of ducks around growing up 18:08 < Verdancy> kay? that was supposed to be shifty eyes 18:09 < FacelessYoshi> I understood that 18:09 < Verdancy> okay 18:09 * Verdancy shrugs 18:09 < Verdancy> I wrote up this 100% fake field guide to ducks, including some that were more like dragons 18:10 < Teceler> --hee 18:10 < Verdancy> Also a second-person-pov-highly-autobiographical story about the excitement of a duck! nesting! in your yard! 18:10 < Verdancy> that one was actually really decent 18:11 * FacelessYoshi thinking the forum probably lacks a duck character 18:11 < Verdancy> omg, no, don't tempt me 18:11 < Verdancy> i know horrible things about ducks 18:11 < Verdancy> so many horrible things 18:11 * Verdancy scoots 18:11 < Teceler> hey, people who know FL, lore discussion relevant to Niryl's world about to happen in #spoilers 18:13 < Teceler> (Evenstar?) 18:27 < Evenstar> ? 18:47 -!- magic_phd has quit 18:59 -!- Kel has joined #backstage 18:59 < Kel> hi 18:59 < Andygal> Hi. 18:59 < Andygal> FL discussion is happening in #spoilers 19:00 < Teceler> hello Kel! 19:00 < Kel> ok 19:00 < Kel> hi 19:00 < Kel> I am maybe going to play it so I will ont spoilers 19:01 < Andygal> OK. 19:01 < Kel> anything fun happen today? 19:01 < Verdancy> Hi Kel! 19:01 < Andygal> Not really. 19:02 < Kel> ok 19:07 < Teceler> Kel: tag 19:45 -!- Kel is now known as Kelsupper 19:46 -!- Evenstar has quit 19:46 < Teceler> enjoy your dinner 19:46 < Kelsupper> thanks 20:14 -!- sonataway is now known as Sonata 20:32 -!- Evenstar has joined #backstage 20:45 -!- Kelsupper is now known as Kel 20:49 -!- Kel is now known as Kelish 20:49 < Kelish> bkish 20:50 < Kelish> was back before but aleks 20:50 < Teceler> wb 20:50 < Kelish> thanks! 20:50 < Kelish> still actually aleks but I have given up on efficiency 20:50 < Teceler> [hugs] 20:50 < Kelish> [hugs] 20:51 < Andygal> Hi. 20:51 < Kelish> hi 20:55 * Verdancy offers hugs 20:56 < Kelish> [hugs] 20:56 < Verdancy> *hugs* 20:56 < Kelish> I am not exactly /sad/ about this but it does mean I'm probably going to stay up late trying to finish it before it's due tomorrow whenever I notice that it's an actual thing that needs to get done 20:56 < Verdancy> ugh 20:56 < Verdancy> :( 20:56 < Teceler> [hugs] 20:57 < Verdancy> that sucks. 20:57 < Kelish> [hugs] 20:57 < Verdancy> *further hugs* 20:57 < Teceler> can try to poke you about it occasionally if you want 20:57 -!- Verdancy is now known as Verdancy|Noms 20:57 < Verdancy|Noms> Be back in a bit 20:57 < Kelish> ok 20:57 < Kelish> enjoy? 21:02 < Kelish> made some progress on plantalogue this week and need to type it up 21:02 < Kelish> also maybe make it more coherent 21:03 < Teceler> that's good! 21:03 < Kelish> there are a lot of spots containing things like [what is the word for 5 weeks?] 21:03 < Kelish> XD 21:03 < Teceler> pfft 21:05 < Kelish> brb getting scratchpaper 21:05 < Kelish> and tea 21:10 < Kelish> bk 21:10 < Kelish> will type up plantalogue once I finish knowledge check 21:10 < Teceler> wb 21:10 < Kelish> thanks! 21:41 -!- FacelessYoshi has quit 22:14 < Kelish> finished the test and did ok on it 22:14 < Kelish> plantalogue is now updating 22:14 < Teceler> [hugs] 22:14 < Kelish> if anyone would like links? 22:14 < Teceler> that's good! 22:14 < Kelish> [hugs] 22:16 -!- Kelish is now known as Kel 22:16 < Andygal> eeee! 22:21 -!- Verdancy|Noms is now known as Verdancy 22:21 < Kel> Hi! 22:21 < Teceler> wb Verdancy 22:21 < Verdancy> Hi Kel! 22:21 < Verdancy> Thanks! 22:54 < Kel> (Many additions have been made to the plantalogue, and if anyone finds something confusing or that doesn't make sense, or could be better, I'd like to know) 22:54 < Kel> most relevant probably to Evenstar 22:56 < Kel> brb pjs 23:00 < Andygal> link to plantalogue? 23:01 < Kel> https://etherpad.net/p/plantalogue 23:11 < Andygal> thanks 23:11 < Kel> you're welcome! 23:14 < Kel> I am now sleep 23:14 < Kel> goodnight 23:14 -!- Kel is now known as Kelsleep 23:14 < Teceler> sleep well 23:14 < Kelsleep> thank you! 23:14 < Kelsleep> ... I should have tagged godsfire oops 23:14 < Kelsleep> I will try to tomorrow? 23:15 < Teceler> [hugs] 23:15 < Teceler> it's okay 23:15 < Teceler> go sleep 23:15 < Kelsleep> ok 23:15 < Kelsleep> [hugs] 23:16 < Verdancy> Good night, Kel. 23:16 < Verdancy> hugs? 23:16 < Andygal> goodnight kel. 23:24 -!- Kelsleep has quit 23:33 -!- Evenstar has quit 23:41 -!- Sky has quit 23:50 < Teceler> I'm going to go sleep now 23:51 <@Adelene> Sleep well ^^ 23:51 < Teceler> thanks 23:51 < Teceler> good night all 23:51 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Asleep 23:51 < Andygal> goodnight. --- Day changed Fri Aug 21 2015 00:05 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 00:13 -!- MTC has quit 00:19 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 00:24 -!- Sonata has quit 01:00 < Verdancy> Belated good night, Teceler. 01:00 -!- Verdancy is now known as VerdanZzz 01:00 < Andygal> goodnight Verdancy. 01:00 < VerdanZzz> Goodnight! 01:00 * VerdanZzz snuggles into bed 01:00 < VerdanZzz> <3
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Post by Mother Starlight on Aug 22, 2015 18:27:26 GMT
03:45 -!- VerdanZzz has quit 05:29 -!- MTC has quit 06:01 -!- Andygal has quit 06:22 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 06:36 -!- MTC has quit 06:40 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 07:04 -!- FacelessWork has joined #backstage 07:40 < FacelessWork> hello? 07:40 <@Adelene> o/ 08:31 -!- Teceler|Asleep is now known as Teceler 09:09 -!- butcher has joined #backstage 09:44 -!- Verdancy has joined #backstage 09:45 < Verdancy> Good morning, everyone. 09:45 < Teceler> good morning Verdancy! 09:45 < Verdancy> Thanks! 09:45 < Verdancy> :) 09:46 < FacelessWork> salutations 09:46 < Verdancy> Hi Faceless! 09:47 < FacelessWork> how are things? Still existing? 09:47 < Verdancy> Oh, no, I am secretly a /different/ uploaded copy of winrar 09:47 < Verdancy> Sorry to disappoint 09:47 < Verdancy> :P 09:48 < Teceler> pffft 09:48 < Verdancy> *uplifted 09:48 < FacelessWork> ah ok 09:48 < FacelessWork> how is the forum 09:49 < Verdancy> quietish 09:49 < FacelessWork> between working and my ongoing addiction to Terraria, I havent checked it much ».» 09:49 * Verdancy nods 09:49 < Verdancy> There is some stuff going on about poor Niryl 09:49 < Teceler> hm? 09:50 < Teceler> is there more tags there 09:50 < Teceler> *? 09:50 < Verdancy> no 09:50 * Verdancy shakes head 09:50 < Verdancy> I just mean general Niryl stuff, sorry 09:50 < Teceler> ah, okay 09:51 < Verdancy> also reverse selkies 09:51 < Verdancy> which um 09:51 < Verdancy> I think 'adhorrible' is a good word here 09:51 < Teceler> pfft 09:57 < FacelessWork> what is a reverses selkie? 09:57 < Verdancy> someone that sheds their human skin to turn into a seal 09:59 < FacelessWork> huh 09:59 < FacelessWork> I assume those are selkie/human children 10:00 < FacelessWork> or not assume, I just think it is cooler this way 10:01 < Verdancy> apparently the world cares a lot about conservation of mass 10:01 < Verdancy> so 10:04 < FacelessWork> ? 10:04 < Verdancy> the seal has to be inside the human because humans have more mass than seals 10:05 < Teceler> than most varieties of seals 10:06 < Verdancy> I did not realize that, thanks 10:06 < Teceler> (there was a discussion about that a while back XD) 10:06 < Verdancy> so they could maybe have not-reverse selkies somewhere 10:06 < Verdancy> (hee) 10:07 < Verdancy> omg what if you're from a species that /usually/ has less mass than humans but you end up on the large end of the bell curve 10:07 < Verdancy> /what then/ 10:08 < Verdancy> "And this is Jim, who has to put on his sealskin to transform. Yes, it's weird, don't stare." 10:10 < Teceler> pfft 10:10 < Teceler> ask sigma 10:11 < Verdancy> :D 10:11 < Verdancy> maybe I will 10:36 -!- Kel has joined #backstage 10:36 < Kel> hi 10:36 < Teceler> hello Kel! 10:36 < Kel> hi! 10:41 < Kel> I need to leave in about an hour for class 10:41 < Teceler> okay 10:41 < Kel> and starting around 4-5 I am going to be unavailable 10:41 < Kel> will be having a party for a birthday that is within two weeks of this weekend, scheduled for convenience 10:42 < Teceler> okay 10:42 < Teceler> enjoy? 10:42 < Kel> thanks! 10:42 < Kel> only 2 people emailed back 10:42 < Kel> I should probably try to call others but not sure how to avoid school schedule problems, and one person doesn't have a phone 10:44 < Verdancy> Hi Kel! 10:44 < Verdancy> (belatedly) 10:44 < Verdancy> Good luck with everythign! 10:45 < Verdancy> *everything 10:46 < Kel> HI! 10:46 < Kel> *Hi! 10:46 < Kel> Thanks! 10:46 < Verdancy> :) 10:47 * Adelene notes that godsfire is Kel's. 10:48 < Teceler> ...someone tell me that I shouldn't post in the ritual sacrifice thread with Niryl (WE MUST GO NORTH) 10:48 * Verdancy says nothing 10:48 < Kel> oops 10:48 <@Adelene> pfft 10:48 * Teceler giggles. 10:49 -!- FacelessWork has quit 11:16 < butcher> adorrifying is a superior word and gabby would have pointed that out. 11:18 -!- Sky has joined #backstage 11:24 < butcher> Hi. 11:25 < butcher> I would really love someone to visit Equestria. 11:25 < butcher> Especially someone like Rae. 11:26 < butcher> Or someone else who is calm and doesn't show much emotion and has a plausible reason to take part in the Lifespan ritual. 11:38 -!- Kel is now known as Kelsewhere 11:44 -!- Kelsewhere has quit 12:30 < butcher> If Ina's an Angel that would work... I shall... metagame. 12:30 < Teceler> she isn't anyway 12:31 < Sky> tag, butcher 12:50 -!- Kelsewhere has joined #backstage 13:53 -!- Kelsewhere has quit 13:54 -!- PDV has joined #backstage 13:56 < butcher> tag 13:56 < butcher> for sky 13:57 < butcher> Teceler: I misremembered. 14:24 < butcher> wait sky 14:25 < butcher> was bathing and now want to add some exitement 14:37 < butcher> Edited for cuteness. Tag Sky. 14:38 <@Adelene> avatar, butcher. 14:39 <@Adelene> icon. whatever. :P 14:40 < butcher> That Spell circle is LD's default avatar. 14:40 < butcher> It's cause she's babbling about Magic. 14:40 <@Adelene> ok 14:42 < butcher> I really want to have someone interact directly with Equestrian Magic in a way no equestrian can, because they have their own magic in the way. Because Equestrian Magic is a character I've really come to like. 14:42 < butcher> It's basically an exited Puppy. 14:43 < butcher> Which through experience and observing ponies has learned a long list of things that are Bad. 14:46 < Sky> tag 14:46 < butcher> The Ableism is a consequence of that. 15:08 < butcher> tag 15:08 < butcher> and bye. 15:12 < Sky> bye 15:13 -!- Kelsewhere has joined #backstage 15:16 < butcher> edited a little. LD can quit Dark Magic anytime. Really. 15:17 -!- MTC has quit 15:18 -!- butcher has quit 15:28 < Teceler> I have to leave fairly imminently, will be back later 15:28 <@Adelene> o/ 15:29 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Away 15:31 < Verdancy> Good luck! 15:39 -!- PDV has quit 15:55 -!- PDV has joined #backstage 16:05 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 16:05 < Andygal> Hi. 16:14 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 16:14 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 16:37 -!- tecephone has joined #backstage 16:40 -!- tecephone has quit 16:43 -!- Verdancy is now known as Verdancy|Away 16:43 < Verdancy|Away> Gotta go work, bye everyone! 16:49 -!- tecephone has joined #backstage 17:08 -!- tecephone has quit 17:11 -!- Teceler|Away is now known as Teceler 17:11 * Teceler flops. 17:13 < Teceler> Andygal, tell me why I shouldn't have Niryl wander into the ritual sacrifice thread and ramble about the Name :P 17:17 -!- Sonata has quit 17:33 -!- Kelsewhere has quit 17:43 < Andygal> ... 17:43 < Teceler> hello! 17:44 * Andygal needs to shower and run out somewhere. 17:44 < Teceler> okay 17:44 -!- FacelessBletch has joined #backstage 17:45 < Teceler> hello Faceless? 17:45 < FacelessBletch> hello Teceler o/ 17:46 < Teceler> I am contemplating having Niryl wander into the ritual sacrifice thread and ramble about the Name 18:14 -!- omegabeta has joined #backstage 18:19 -!- Kelsewhere has joined #backstage 18:24 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 18:24 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 18:45 < Teceler> hello Sonata? 18:45 <@Sonata> hi 18:45 < Teceler> Dungeon spell questions for you 18:52 <@Sonata> yep? 18:53 < Teceler> um, lots of them (Lurker and Tyche are discussing applications of resources.) Let's see-- 18:53 < Teceler> does protection even /do/ cast-on-other? 18:56 < Teceler> (as a sidenote, drawing cards in FL, I get one with: "There are a thousand speculations on why Death is strange in the Neath." That's... apropos, although it would have been more so yesterday afternoon XD) 19:00 < Teceler> for: protection (if it does cast-on-other), enchant armor, the various resistances: does they work on vehicles, buildings, habitats? with or without someone sleeved into them at the time? How strong are they (okay, I think we have an answer for that on for the resistances, although Tyche doesn't icly which is why it was in there)? 19:00 < Teceler> how good is alarm at detecting things that are mundanely or magically concealed? 19:01 < Teceler> would Enchant Weapon work on non-personal-sized weapons? 19:02 < Teceler> does Enchant Armor work on inherent armor like synmorph shells, bioweave armor? can multiple pieces of armor enchanted with it be worn at once? (with usual armor-worn-at-once problems) 19:02 < Teceler> um... how good is hold portal against brute force and against magical effects 19:03 < Teceler> some detailed questions about how fly compares to various EP mobility systems, will come back to that 19:03 < Teceler> and also whether it can be cast on vehicles 19:03 < Teceler> does water breathing work on non-water liquids? 19:03 < Teceler> what exactly does Sanctuary do? 19:04 < Teceler> does haste work on infomorphs? how exactly does it manifest (these both might have been answered before? don't remember) 19:04 < Teceler> can dimensional anchor can ward an area against transportation effects? 19:05 < Teceler> exactly how hax is freedom of movement? (I can probably produce specific questions here) 19:06 < Teceler> how does ethereal jaunt interact with permanency? 19:06 * Teceler pokes Sonata 19:06 <@Sonata> whoops, thanks 19:06 <@Sonata> *reads* 19:07 <@Sonata> protection from fire/etc is cast on self only 19:07 < Teceler> --wait, it is? 19:07 < Teceler> I seem to recall something about the resistances being cast-on-other able 19:07 < Teceler> or, um 19:08 * Teceler is confused. 19:09 <@Sonata> enchant armor works on wearable armor. it will stretch to barding for horses, centaurs, or nagas, but removable/hotswappable vehicle plating is probably further than it can be pushed. 19:09 * Teceler nods. 19:10 <@Sonata> enchant weapon works fine on siege weaponry 19:10 <@Sonata> resistances give 2d4 hp worth of damage reduction against the relevant element 19:10 < Teceler> (spaceship weapons? things that are arguably weapons?) 19:10 <@Sonata> lesser enchant weapon/armor grants a +1 bonus, greater grants a +3 bonus 19:11 <@Sonata> enchant armor doesn't work on natural armor. 19:11 <@Sonata> you can only efficaciously wear one piece of enchanted armor at a time /in each armor slot/ 19:11 <@Sonata> so you can wear an enchanted vest and an enchanted helmet, but not two enchanted helmets 19:11 < Teceler> re: resistances: is that per something, or does it regen, or...? 19:12 <@Sonata> protection is +1 but doesn't stack with enchanted armor 19:13 * Teceler notes. 19:13 <@Sonata> protection and resistances can only be cast on a person but it's okay if they're sleeved in a vehicle or building 19:14 < Teceler> do they stick to the vehicle/building after they resleeve to something else, or does there need to be someone sleeved into them for them to function, or...? 19:14 < Teceler> re: enchant armor: --Eclipse doesn't really do armor slots. Um. If you had an enchanted padded vest, and an enchanted chainmail shirt, and those layered fine as armor normally, is that valid, or not? 19:15 <@Sonata> water breathing does not work on other liquids; mixtures of water with stuff (seawater, silty water, muddy water, etc.) are analogous to air with heavy dust/smoke (may be breathable depending on type and density of the stuff in it) 19:15 <@Sonata> Sanctuary works like nethack Elbereth 19:15 <@Sonata> protection/resistances can be cast on other 19:16 < Teceler> yes but unless I'm misremembering how Elbereth works I don't know how that applies to non-Dungeon worlds [goes to check] 19:17 <@Sonata> hold portal is as secure "as if it were securely closed and normally locked" 19:17 <@Sonata> (except that it still works if it doesn't actually have a working lock) 19:18 <@Sonata> alarm sees through most forms of mundane and magical concealment, but not being ethereal/astral or otherwise 'not actually there'; also, fooled by lurker's "i'm an illusion" effect 19:19 <@Sonata> fly can be cast on people, including vehicles; but cannot be cast on nonpeople, including vehicles 19:20 < Teceler> pfft 19:20 <@Sonata> haste works on infomorphs; you get a third standard action per turn 19:21 <@Sonata> (err, fly can be cast on nonperson creatures such as animals also) 19:21 <@Sonata> (and protection/resistances) 19:21 < Teceler> (...hm. would that work on bots operated by simple AIs?) 19:22 <@Sonata> dimensional anchor targets a creature or object, not an area 19:23 <@Sonata> ethereal jaunt works fine with permanency, though being ethereal has drawbacks and you'll need to dispel it if you want to get unethereal again 19:23 <@Sonata> (dispelling ends the permanency, you have to recast to re-etherealize) 19:24 < Teceler> ...that sounds like it would get expensive 19:24 <@Sonata> er, protection/resistance are cast on other, yes sorry 19:24 <@Sonata> spaceship weapons can be enchant-weapon'd, but you have to cast separately for each weapon, you can't just cast once for the entire ship 19:25 <@Sonata> I'd need examples of 'arguably weapons', but probably: it works, but is only useful when the thing is used as a weapon 19:25 <@Sonata> so like you could enchant-weapon a chair, and then it has a bonus to hitting people with the chair, but nothing special to sitting in it 19:25 < Teceler> pft 19:25 < Teceler> okay 19:26 <@Sonata> damage reduction is per hit, or for continuous effects (like being immersed in acid) per round 19:26 < Teceler> okay 19:26 <@Sonata> de/resleeving breaks protection/resistance spells 19:27 <@Sonata> padded vest + chainmail shirt are valid, yes 19:28 < Teceler> (okay, I think I'll go with 'things that can be worn together without taking penalties' then) 19:29 <@Sonata> re: simple AIs: depends on how simple; animal-level intelligence works, plant-level intelligence doesn't. 19:30 <@Sonata> ('can worn w/o penalties' sounds like a good guideline, yeah) 19:30 * Sonata am caught 19:30 < Teceler> ? 19:30 < FacelessBletch> Sorry to interrupt, but I would like to make a question 19:31 < FacelessBletch> I had an idea for a character that could offer elemental birth blessings to people, essential someone asks me IC and the author gives me the answer OOC, any problem if I implement this plan this weekend? 19:31 < FacelessBletch> >.> 19:37 -!- PDV has quit 19:38 < Teceler> Sonata: arguably weapons: stunners, nets 19:38 <@Sonata> Stunners, nets: totally count. 19:39 < Teceler> also, looking at my notes, I have (max mp / 5) points of damage reduction for the resistances. which of those is correct, or am I missing something here? 19:39 <@Sonata> your notes are correct 19:39 <@Sonata> I forgot that I'd answered that question before so I just made something up on the spot 19:39 < Teceler> okay 19:41 < Teceler> Sonata: for enchant weapon: traps in general? 19:42 <@Sonata> Mmm. It has to be wielded by a person to get the benefit. 19:42 < Teceler> hm. okay. 19:42 <@Sonata> So a throwing net yes, a net trap no. 19:42 < Teceler> if someone was actively triggering the trap? 19:43 < Teceler> rather than it being mechanically operated? 19:43 < Teceler> --also, does it work on inherent weapons? (claws, teeth, etc) 19:43 < Teceler> Sonata: right. so, freedom of movement. that works against anything trying to stop you from moving, or are there exceptions (how strongly does it contest other magic to the contrary?)? I don't think it provides protection against disarming or injury, but might block wound penalties up until you die? --does, um, does it consider gravity something restricting movement? 19:44 <@Sonata> Doesn't work on inherent weapons. Actively triggering isn't sufficient, if you're just operating an installation. 19:44 -!- FacelessBletch has quit 19:44 <@Sonata> You have to /wield/ the weapon, defined relatedly to 'in your inventory' 19:44 < Teceler> okay 19:46 <@Sonata> Freedom of movement works against magic, doesn't prevent disarming or injury, doesn't counteract wound penalties (but does counteract paralysis) 19:47 < Teceler> does it counteract being turned into stone, or similar? 19:47 <@Sonata> if you have FoM in very heavy gravity where normally you'd only be able to move slowly / less-effectively, then the FoM lets you move normally instead 19:47 < Teceler> okay 19:47 <@Sonata> but doesn't let you pretend it's zero gee 19:48 <@Sonata> doesn't stop you being turned into stone, but counteracts some of the early symptoms 19:48 < Teceler> ...does it affect movement in low/microgravity too? 19:48 <@Sonata> if that would normally impair you, then it removes those penalties, yes 19:48 < Teceler> (and it doesn't, like, let you move while being stone? although I suppose that would require being conscious, which relevant spells might not result in) 19:49 <@Sonata> (correct) 19:49 <@Sonata> As a general rule, if you move /worse/ it removes the penalties, but if you're prevented from moving at /all/, or completely prevented from moving in a certain way, then it doesn't help with that. 19:50 < Teceler> [pokes at] re: not negating wound penalties, but negating paralysis: if you are missing your foot, for example, can you still move normally? 19:50 < Teceler> hm. okay 19:50 <@Sonata> so it won't let you ignore manacles or walls or inability to fly, but if you had a chance of slipping out of your manacles anyway then it will make that much easier 19:50 < Teceler> but 'moving worse' includes things like being able to strain a tiny bit against stuff? 19:50 < Teceler> ah 19:50 < Teceler> okay 19:51 < Teceler> that's 'no' then 19:51 <@Sonata> yes @ move normally with missing foot 19:51 -!- FacelessDude has joined #backstage 19:52 < FacelessDude> GOLDMAGE! 19:52 <@Sonata> ?! 19:52 < FacelessDude> also, hi again everyone o/ 19:52 < Teceler> wb Faceless 19:52 <@Sonata> !!! 19:52 < FacelessDude> goldmage updated, sonata 19:52 < Teceler> sorry for not answering earlier little distracted XD 19:52 < FacelessDude> the final update 19:52 < Teceler> Thorn wants freedom of movement XD 19:53 < Teceler> is freedom of movement castable on informorphs? if so, what does it do for them? 19:56 < FacelessDude> teceler, do you have an answer to my question? 19:57 < Teceler> do you have a plan for how that actually works given the window for birth-blessings? are you using a variant that ignores that? 19:57 < Teceler> (sorry, distracted reading goldmage update XD) 20:00 < FacelessDude> Tec, my character is friends with the Elay Prime, and sense the "Spirituality" part of Elay primeness is not defined, I am going to rule /that/ prime as capable of blessing people at any age 20:01 < Teceler> and the forum manifestation is sufficiently whatever for that? okay. 20:01 < FacelessDude> you 20:02 < FacelessDude> there is also the fact that people that get birth blessed could in theory be able to use blessing bowls, but we could rule that out if it is too problematic? 20:03 -!- omegabeta has quit 20:03 < Teceler> hm. we could say it doesn't count as a 'real' birth-blessing unless done if person, or something, if wanted? 20:04 < Andygal> I am not sufficently familar with the original elemental blessings setting to say how much on fire this would be. 20:04 <@Sonata> Freedom of movement is not castable on infomorphs. 20:04 < Andygal> but it sounds interesting. 20:05 < FacelessDude> Andygal, birth blessings are three blessings that relate to "you", kinda like broadstrokes of qualites and personalities and general life/fate 20:05 < Andygal> Uh-huh. 20:06 < FacelessDude> they usually need to be draw (from a bowl with blessings etched in coins) sometime after birth (I think a week?) or it won't work on you 20:06 < Teceler> it does sound interesting, but I am failing to have much opinion mostly because half my characters are going 'no, we will not particpate in this because wow, such security concerns' 20:06 < FacelessDude> and people with birth blessings can draw blessings to sort of divine the future 20:07 * Teceler pokes at fly-related questions 20:07 < FacelessDude> in short, is like a wacky-actually-functional horoscope xD 20:07 < Teceler> Tyche, articulate please XD 20:07 < Andygal> as I recall from the effulgence version it is pretty vague? 20:07 < FacelessDude> Andygal, yup 20:08 < Andygal> doesn't seem like a lot of fire? 20:08 < FacelessDude> not as far I can tell/remember 20:08 < Teceler> I feel like people could find ways to make it fire, is the only reason my reflex is to be careful with it XD 20:08 < FacelessDude> huh, I do remember Kiri (The local bell) wanting to draw the blessing of "grace" I am unsure if this means the blessing has some influence 20:08 < FacelessDude> but if it has is likely a minor one 20:09 < FacelessDude> (also you can't cheat and take a blessing you want) 20:09 < Teceler> I thought that that was just she never drew it? 20:09 < Andygal> Yeah. 20:09 < Andygal> it was kind of a running joke more than anything else. 20:09 < FacelessDude> Tec, she once spent an afternoon drawing all blessings from a bowl 20:09 < Teceler> yup 20:09 < FacelessDude> and the last blessings in the bowl were grace 20:10 < Teceler> I thought that was for Science though? :P 20:10 < FacelessDude> huh, that actually makes more sense 20:10 < Andygal> that was my impression also. 20:10 < FacelessDude> so never mind xD 20:10 < FacelessDude> Do we have people like tattletale in the forum? I was thinking she could actually be more dangerous with the blessings 20:12 < Teceler> nooot /yet/ I think XD 20:12 < Teceler> but yeah, there's a reason Firewall is going 'security concerns!' 20:13 < FacelessDude> luckily my character won't do it for people that don't want to 20:13 < Teceler> unluckily for authorial amusement, but yes XD 20:13 < FacelessDude> albeit I was thinking it only needed vague terms to pinpoint like "My friend with the nickname [forum name]" counts 20:25 -!- PDV has joined #backstage 20:25 < Teceler> hello PDV 20:26 < FacelessDude> hi PDV o/ 20:26 < PDV> hi 20:28 < Teceler> Sonata: does fly work in vacuum? 20:28 <@Sonata> Yes. 20:28 <@Sonata> (It won't protect you from suffocation or decompression, but it will let you fly.) 20:29 < Teceler> (heh) 20:29 < Teceler> and it presumably doesn't need fuel... [pokes at] 20:29 < Teceler> ... 20:29 <@Sonata> correct 20:29 < Teceler> if you try to cast spells on someone sleeved in a swarmanoid what happens? 20:29 <@Sonata> (yes, you can shenanigans with this) 20:30 < Teceler> (Eclipse: [grumbles] [does stuff with background tempature of the universe]) 20:30 <@Sonata> Most spells that target a person or creature require the physical substrate of their consciousness to fit inside a 5' cube. 20:30 * Teceler nods. 20:30 <@Sonata> so you can cast on swarmanoids as long as the swarm stays close together. 20:31 < Teceler> --mm, that probably excludes casting on habitats 20:31 < Teceler> if the swarm moves farther apart after the spell is cast does it break? 20:31 <@Sonata> yes 20:31 <@Sonata> re: habitats, you don't have to fit the entire body in 5', only the brain 20:32 -!- Sky has quit 20:32 < Teceler> ...if they move back into that cube before the duration runs out (or ever, with permanency) does it start working again or not? 20:32 <@Sonata> Not. Once the spell breaks, it's just gone. 20:32 < Teceler> Sonata: mm. maybe then, not sure how distributed habitat cyberbrains tend to be 20:34 < Teceler> ...I assume this is intuitive, but that still sounds kind of 'ouch' for permancied spells 20:35 < Teceler> [continues poking at fly] it presumably doesn't generate a blackblast or ionized envelope as a result of doing its thing. --how well can you do precision movement with fly? 20:35 <@Sonata> it's intuitive if the question occurs to you, but won't point itself out to you otherwise 20:36 * Teceler nods. 20:36 < Teceler> do any spells on the listing /not/ have that requirement for person-targets? 20:36 <@Sonata> @fly: it works like personal-range telekinesis. max speed, not max acceleration; doesn't provide shielding against wind; very good at turning/stopping suddenly 20:37 <@Sonata> I think all listed spells have that requirement for persontargets 20:37 < Teceler> okay 20:37 <@Sonata> the easiest way to get around it would be either use an area-effect spell (so you're not technically targeting a person/creature), or develop your own spell without those limitations. 20:37 -!- FacelessDude is now known as FacingAway 20:37 < Teceler> so this is more a 'it is possible to develop ones that don't do that thing' thing then. 20:37 < Teceler> heh 20:38 <@Sonata> (many of these limits are not fundamental to the magic system, more like the spell designer didn't bother to support those features because they didn't think it'd ever be necessary) 20:38 < Teceler> pfft 20:38 * Teceler nods. 20:38 -!- Evenstar has joined #backstage 20:38 < Teceler> Firewall: [throws spellbooks at some R&D people] 20:39 < Teceler> hello Evenstar! 20:39 < Andygal> Hi Evenstar 20:39 < Evenstar> Hi! 20:39 <@Sonata> (Haste does not increase spell development speed, but simulspace does.) 20:39 < Teceler> heeeeee 20:40 < Evenstar> (So cheaty) 20:40 < Teceler> hm, okay, what else. --can planar ally transport a non-running copy of an ego? (basically, a backup, but different applicability) 20:41 < Teceler> (XD) 20:43 < Teceler> [pokes at inherent weapons/armor] the fact that EP considers morphs basically gear is being taken into account there right? 20:44 < Teceler> which spells stick with the ego when resleeving occurs, which if any stay with the morph, and which (other than apparently protection & resistances) break? 20:45 < Teceler> sonata 20:45 <@Sonata> hmm 20:46 < Evenstar> (So I realized a thing) 20:46 <@Sonata> Planar ally can transport an inert copy. 20:46 < Evenstar> (Jinx is canonically inspired by the Joker) 20:46 < Andygal> evenstar: ?? 20:46 < Andygal> ... 20:46 < Teceler> pffft 20:46 <@Sonata> What do you mean by morphs as gear? 20:47 < Evenstar> (Jokers are of course a thing in glowfic.) 20:47 <@Sonata> (I'm thinking that there's an important distinction between sleeving and piloting, yes?) 20:47 < Teceler> Eclipse Phase (the system, I'm not positive about the world) philosophically considers morphs a specialized kind of gear 20:47 < Teceler> (yes) 20:47 < Teceler> (well) 20:48 < Evenstar> (I don't think Jinx is a full Joker with the ingot power and everything, but it provides a nice justification for her to not have negative affect towards pain) 20:48 < Teceler> (yes, but not /metaphysically/) 20:48 <@Sonata> (Importing Dungeon magic often tends to introduce metaphysical significance to things that didn't previously have them. Like personhood.) 20:49 < Teceler> (there's, like, three different modes of remote operation with their own benefits and penalties. I'd have to look up if there's anything with jamming besides signal lag and not physically being there, though) 20:49 * Teceler nods. 20:49 < Teceler> Eclipse has Ego, though XD 20:50 <@Sonata> right, but in general 20:50 * Teceler nods. 20:50 <@Sonata> Most spells that target a person or creature will just break upon resleeving. To stick with the ego, it would have to have only mental effects, like /comprehend language/. 20:50 <@Sonata> To stick with the morph, it would have to target a "creature or object". 20:51 <@Sonata> (since the morph stops being a person when the ego desleeves from it) 20:51 < Teceler> hm. okay. I feel like infomorph haste might stick but only apply to mental actions? 20:52 < Teceler> yeah, shell jamming is essentially the same as being sleeved in the morph except it being destroyed is less problematic and probable issues with signal transmission time if they get far enough away 20:52 <@Sonata> That makes sense. You can caste haste on an infomorph, but it breaks on resleeving, and infomorphs can't cast it (because it has a somatic component). 20:53 < Andygal> what happens if you cast a spell on somebody that has another ego ghostriding? 20:53 <@Sonata> So you have to get someone in a physical morph to stand near the infomorph's server and cast. 20:53 < Teceler> --I thought infomorphs could cast if they operated something sufficently hand-like near enough to the server they're running on? 20:54 <@Sonata> It's not /your/ hand unless sleeving 20:54 < Teceler> Tyche: :( 20:54 <@Sonata> sorry. 20:54 < Teceler> ...hey, how do simulmorphs interact with this? 20:54 * Andygal points at above question 20:55 * Sonata is looking up what ghostriding is 20:55 < Teceler> http://eclipsephaserules.wikia.com/wiki/Ghostrider_Module 20:58 <@Sonata> The ghostrider doesn't get targeted along with their host. 20:58 <@Sonata> You might be able to target the rider specifically if you know they're there, but they're a separate person. 21:01 <@Sonata> @simulmorphs: do you have to sleeve into a simulmorph, with integration tests and whatnot? or is it more like wearing an Oculus? 21:01 < Teceler> ummm 21:01 * Teceler consults rulebook 21:03 < Teceler> it says simulmorphs should be treated as basic infomorphs for rules purposes... lemme check Transhuman I vaguely recall that having more... 21:04 < Teceler> hm, definite references to being 'sleeved in a simulmorph' 21:05 < Teceler> hmmm 21:06 < Teceler> that's all I can find 21:08 < Teceler> but the physical morph, if any, is inert while the person is in simulspace, similar to with jamming (you take a massive penalty to Perception tests to notice anything going on with it, though they are still possible) 21:08 <@Sonata> it seems to me that while you're in a simulmorph, you're still /also/ in whatever morph you were in before 21:08 < Teceler> I'm not clear on why jamming /doesn't/ work though? 21:08 < Teceler> remote control makes sense, that one less so 21:09 <@Sonata> so I think that using a simulmorph mostly wouldn't count as resleeving for Dungeon's purposes 21:09 < Teceler> Sonata: yes, but there's also uploads and AGIs who pretty much live in simulspace, and that might matter? 21:10 <@Sonata> I think those can be treated as infomorphs who are then pseudosleeved into simulmorphs? 21:10 <@Sonata> or does that not make sense for some reason? 21:10 < Teceler> I'm not sure that's actually how it works, though? 21:11 <@Sonata> (is it rude to refer to AGIs as aggies?) 21:11 < Andygal> I think if you are an infomorph in simulspace the simulation basically counts as real. 21:12 <@Sonata> (except if you 'die' you still just log off, yeah?) 21:12 <@Sonata> (like, an infomorph playing future!super!WoW isn't running on Blizzard's servers) 21:12 <@Sonata> (it's basically LARPing) 21:13 < Teceler> (...I /think/ simulspace is generally run on dedicated servers?) 21:13 <@Sonata> (the /physics/ might be but that doesn't mean everyone egocasts there?) 21:13 <@Sonata> (/I/ wouldn't want to leave my heavily-secured home server just to play videogames) 21:13 < Teceler> (I mean, time-dilated simulspace is a thing? [pokes at]) 21:14 < Teceler> (heh) 21:14 < Andygal> I'm sure video game makers could afford better security then the average person! 21:15 < Teceler> Iiii /think/ remote-access and running on a dedicated server might both be things? But if your remote access can't handle the time-dilation it doesn't work? 21:15 * Teceler is unsure 21:17 < Teceler> (how this works actually has implications for sendingscience, because of how Carp magic interacts with servers. Adelene are you here?) 21:21 -!- FacingAway has quit 21:34 <@Adelene> I 21:34 <@Adelene> Here now, just caught. 21:37 -!- sigma has joined #backstage 21:37 <@Adelene> Evenstar: "And it's locked until I read this stupid screen thingy and sign it. Do it again." I assume this was polite to Lurker, I'm a little curious how that played out though. ^^ 21:38 <@Adelene> (Specifically 'sign it' when she has neither a signature nor a name.) 21:38 < Teceler> bk (was afk) 21:38 <@Adelene> *hug* 21:39 < Teceler> [blinkblink] [hug] 21:39 < Evenstar> Adelene: Lurker doesn't have an upgraded model that needs said waiver. 21:39 <@Adelene> Ok. 21:39 < Evenstar> That said, OTC accepts 'claw-mark' as signature. 21:39 <@Adelene> heh ^^ 21:40 < Evenstar> (OTC often trades with people who can't write.) 21:40 <@Adelene> *nod* 21:40 < Evenstar> (Either because of illiteracy or because of lack of proper limbs) 21:40 <@Adelene> yup ^^ 21:40 < Teceler> Evenstar: was the OTC not answering Niryl's question about trading deliberate? 21:41 < sigma> If they have intentional control devices, perhaps they can have intentional signature-alternatives for documenting intent? 21:41 < Evenstar> Teceler: Yes, actually. It's... for the best. 21:41 < Teceler> pfft 21:41 < Evenstar> sigma: /ultimately/ signing any contract with the OTC is a semioccult process. 21:42 < Teceler> Niryl may message them to inquire about that / whether they were avoiding answering publicly 21:42 < Evenstar> Using physical signatures helps to distance the customers from that. 21:42 < Teceler> pffffft 21:42 < sigma> Idk how a pure infomorph ought to sign with no physical appendages to print. 21:42 < Evenstar> (Because then the contract is in paper, not in the will of the person making it) 21:43 < Evenstar> (The latter may lead to the OTC 'looking over your shoulder.') 21:43 < Teceler> sigma: generally worlds have a provision for that? (I'm thinking, for example, public key signatures, though) 21:43 < Evenstar> sigma: Digital signatures for computerized infomorphs 21:44 < Evenstar> Other infomorphs might require a bit more creativity. 21:45 <@Adelene> Anyway, Tec, what was the interaction you wanted to know about? 21:46 <@Adelene> With Carp and Dungeon magics and simulspace? 21:46 < Teceler> um, Dungeon magic apparently cares about how simulmorphs actually work and what they're running on XD 21:46 <@Adelene> How so? 21:47 <@Sonata> Dungeon expects a person to have a location. 21:47 * Teceler tags with Niryl in the ritual sacrifice thread, hums 21:47 < Teceler> um, I'm not entirely clear on t--a sonata 21:47 <@Adelene> Carp does to; gets around this by considering everyone on a given server to be touching/overlaping. 21:47 <@Adelene> *does too 21:48 <@Sonata> Many Dungeon spells break when the target resleeves; the question is whether sleeving into a simulmorph counts. 21:48 <@Sonata> because you kind of don't leave your old morph 21:49 <@Sonata> and the rules are apparently vague on whether it requires integration/alienation checks 21:49 < Teceler> also whether jamming a bot or using a simulmorph counts for having hands. which I'm not clear on why is a thing 21:49 <@Adelene> I would really prefer Lurker not to get back to her body and find out all her expensive spells are gone? 21:49 < Teceler> ...yeah that would be bad 21:49 <@Adelene> Like, if that's going to be a thing I guess I can roll with it, but. 21:49 <@Sonata> simulmorphs definitely aren't sufficient to perform somatic components 21:50 <@Sonata> you need a physical body, and simulspace doesn't sufficiently count as a real world 21:50 <@Sonata> I'm inclined to say it doesn't count 21:51 <@Sonata> a simulmorph feels more like a costume than a body, to me 21:51 < sigma> It's not clear to me how one ought to get a signature from a Hooloovoo 21:51 < Teceler> sigma: creatively :P 21:51 * Andygal laughs at Jinx and the OTC. 21:51 < sigma> Lots of things about Hooloovoo are not clear to me 21:53 < sigma> What Jinx and OTC is this? 21:53 < Teceler> sigma: in OTCthread 21:53 < sigma> Oh, there it is 21:56 < sigma> Fire Lotus has previously been mentioned nowhere in the IC forum except the spreadsheet. Is the spreadsheet to be taken as an official OTC document? 21:56 < Teceler> it is linked icly? 21:56 < sigma> (Unless I missed it with my search) 21:56 < Evenstar> (The spreadsheet has been linked ICly, promoting it to 'official OTC document' status.) 21:56 < Evenstar> (It's in the OP of the thread.) 21:57 < sigma> It's a good thing authors are too polite to insert lies into it. 21:57 < Evenstar> (That said, if something weird happens to the google sheet, then that will be PLOT) 21:57 < Teceler> pfft 21:57 < Teceler> (oh dear XD) 21:57 < Evenstar> Sigma: I /do/ check it occasionally. 22:01 < sigma> Jinx buying all these things is even more worrisome than, say, Zek. 22:02 < Teceler> on the bright side, Jinx is currently headed for the WoD! 22:03 < sigma> So they can happen to each other. 22:03 <@Adelene> Actually, timeline-wise, shouldn't she already be there? Or did something else happen? 22:04 -!- Verdancy|Away is now known as Verdancy 22:04 < Verdancy> Hi, everyone. 22:04 < Teceler> hello Verdancy! 22:04 < Andygal> what is Jinx planning to do in the WoD? 22:04 < Verdancy> Hi! :) 22:04 < sigma> Am I being too pedantic if I laugh at the phrase "a spontaneous kyma"? 22:05 < Teceler> I realized I forgot Darkdrop Coffee on my list of neathy potion-ish things! 22:05 < Verdancy> huh 22:05 < Verdancy> Andygal: Jinx is obtaining VENGEANCE. 22:05 < Teceler> it refills your actions and iirc gives you a little wounds 22:05 < Verdancy> as in it damages you? 22:06 < Evenstar> Jinx is doing her prep time before VENGEANCE here. 22:06 < Evenstar> (Besides, the OTC is shiny and distracting) 22:06 < Verdancy> heeee 22:06 < Teceler> XD 22:06 < Evenstar> (... Jinx is kind of easily-swayed :P) 22:07 < Verdancy> pfffft 22:07 < Teceler> yeah, you get 1CP of wounds. not very much at all, but 22:07 < Verdancy> FL why 22:07 < sigma> Vengeance on someone, or on principle? 22:07 * Teceler finishes Niryl's message to the OTC, giggles 22:07 < Evenstar> (I mean, Jinx has an idea that she thinks will let her fake flight in a much more awesome way.) 22:07 < Verdancy> hee 22:07 < Teceler> sigma: Jinx was not happy about incidentally mind-controlling people 22:07 < sigma> Or, like, some device named vengeance? 22:07 < Verdancy> Sigma: Vengeance on Iridescence! 22:08 < sigma> Oh, I see. 22:08 < Evenstar> (Involving an Endless Pit, a lot of Immovable Glowsticks, and some Magblades) 22:08 * Verdancy cackles 22:08 < Andygal> ahahahaha 22:08 < Evenstar> (Prehensile hair also helps.) 22:08 < Evenstar> Viridescence, which just improves the V theme :3 22:09 < sigma> Are the glowsticks like D&D immovable rods in that they can be toggled, or is their activation permanent? 22:09 < Teceler> does someone want to response to Niryl's latest forum post before I send this? It makes slightly more sense that way 22:09 < Teceler> *respond 22:10 < Verdancy> I might? 22:10 < Verdancy> I have not seen it 22:10 < Verdancy> because away 22:10 < Teceler> http://manyworlds.boards.net/post/5141/thread 22:11 < sigma> "A spontaneous kyma" like you were going about your business and suddenly you're three kyma. 22:11 < Verdancy> pffft Sigma 22:12 < Verdancy> okay, so, theoretically 22:12 < Verdancy> I understand that the forum has a PG rating thing 22:12 < Verdancy> whatever PG rating even means 22:12 < Teceler> sigma: pfffftheee 22:12 < Verdancy> so like 22:12 < Verdancy> if I have a post with a lot of asterixes or [censored] in places 22:12 < Teceler> pffffft 22:13 < Verdancy> can I pretend that Mother Starlight censored it? 22:13 < Teceler> I think this is a question for Sonata 22:13 < Verdancy> Sonata? 22:13 <@Sonata> Sure 22:13 < Verdancy> eeeeeee 22:13 <@Sonata> and it might be PG-13 22:13 * Verdancy rubs hands together 22:13 < Evenstar> >asterixes 22:13 < Verdancy> oh, right 22:13 < Verdancy> ? 22:14 < Verdancy> is the proper plural asterii or something? 22:14 * Evenstar just realized that we have an Aestrix and that might be where the name is from. 22:14 < Verdancy> oh, huh 22:14 * Evenstar shrugs with an 'i dunno' expression 22:14 < Verdancy> I never thought about it much but I had vague notions about stars 22:14 <@Sonata> (might want to indicate somehow whether the censorship is on the poster's end or specific to the IRL instantiation of the forum) 22:14 < Teceler> i think the plural might be asterices? 22:15 < Verdancy> ...that makes sense 22:15 <@Sonata> I think it's actually asterisk/asterisks 22:15 < Teceler> ah, yeah 22:15 < Teceler> there's a k 22:15 < Verdancy> yes there is 22:15 * Verdancy facepalms 22:15 < Teceler> brain why 22:15 <@Sonata> and I think Aestrix's name is a complex multilingual pun 22:15 <@Sonata> of which I forget the details 22:16 < Andygal> Yeah. 22:16 < Verdancy> Anyway, true fact: until I learned about Alicorn's betabet designations, I thought "kappa" was after the water demon from Harry Potter 22:16 < sigma> PG-13, and you'd have to appeal higher than Mother Starlight to change it because apparently it's Proboards policy. 22:16 < Evenstar> Kappas are a thing from japanese mythology! 22:16 < Verdancy> Which is actually from Japanese mythology 22:16 < Verdancy> ninja'd 22:16 < Andygal> ..pfffft. 22:16 < sigma> And the Harry Potter version is hilarious 22:16 < Andygal> I also thought that. 22:16 < Verdancy> (I am more familiar with Harry Potter than Japanese mythology, is the thing) 22:17 < Verdancy> I am not appealing for a change! I just want to pretend swear 22:17 < Teceler> Verdancy, is this about Niryl's post or something different? XD 22:17 < Verdancy> Sonata, can Mother Starlight edit the post with the reason as Language! or something 22:17 < sigma> Because it's a perfect depiction of your European wizard naturalist Missing The Point Entirely. 22:18 < Verdancy> This is in fact about Niryl's post 22:18 * Teceler giggles. 22:18 <@Sonata> sure 22:18 < Verdancy> Yay! 22:18 < Verdancy> okay, now to imitate Harry Potter Puppet Pals 22:19 < sigma> Ron. Ron. Ron, Ron Weasley. Ron. Ron. Ron, Ron Weasley. 22:20 < Teceler> XD 22:20 < Verdancy> (not that one) 22:20 < sigma> Or were you imitating a different sketch 22:20 < Verdancy> soup! 22:20 < Verdancy> (the horrible swear that must not be spoken) 22:20 < Verdancy> (or something) 22:20 < Verdancy> (idk it ends with soup) 22:21 < Andygal> potter potter potter potter weasley weasley, potter potter potter potter weasley weasley, potter potter potter potter weasley weasley snape aaaah it's snape. 22:21 <@Adelene> Sonata: I'm going through the spell answers and it looks like the thing about spaceship weapons was never answered. 22:21 < Teceler> it was, actually 22:21 < Teceler> Adelene do you want a paste of my notes from that? 22:21 < Verdancy> okay, quick poll, which is more amusing: asterisks everywhere or [REDACTED]s 22:21 <@Adelene> that might help if they're better organized, thanks Tec. 22:21 < sigma> Haha Andygal 22:21 < Verdancy> this is for important science reasons I need to know 22:21 <@Adelene> [redacted]s, Verdancy 22:22 <@Sonata> ****s for individual words, [REDACTED]s for longer phrases and sentences 22:22 < Verdancy> thanks! 22:22 < Evenstar> So uh 22:22 <@Sonata> like, go **** yourself you ****ing ****er, and [REDACTED] with a [REDACTED] while you're at it 22:22 < Verdancy> heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 22:22 < Andygal> heeeeeee 22:22 < Evenstar> It turns out that the OTC is pretty inclined to intervene on Mr. Eaten's side of things 22:23 < Andygal> ... 22:23 < Andygal> NOPE 22:23 < Evenstar> Because 'large unpaid debts' are a thing they do not like 22:23 < Verdancy> who the fuck is Mr. Eaten 22:23 < Verdancy> why is that anyone's name 22:23 < Evenstar> That is almost exactly the wrong question to ask. 22:23 < Verdancy> excellent. what the fuck is Mr. Eaten 22:24 <@Sonata> (please ping me when you want MS to pseudoedit the thing) 22:24 < Evenstar> (The dangerous one is 'What is Mr. Eaten's Name?') 22:24 < Verdancy> okay, thanks! 22:24 < Verdancy> (@ Sonata) 22:24 < Evenstar> Okay, background. 22:24 < Andygal> You do not want to have anything to do with Mr Eaten and his Name. 22:24 < Verdancy> Evenstar: it is something horrible that man was not meant to know 22:24 < Evenstar> ... Basically yes. 22:24 < Verdancy> I am kind of sensing a theme here 22:25 < Evenstar> Except worse. 22:25 < Andygal> Yes. 22:25 < sigma> The Question will be Asked 22:25 < Evenstar> Most things in Fallen London at least make a pretense of fairness. 22:25 < sigma> And Silence will Fall 22:25 < Evenstar> If you Seek the Name you are committing to suffering and death. 22:25 < Evenstar> Mostly your own. 22:25 < Evenstar> Mostly. 22:26 < Andygal> Suicide by jumping down a well. Seven times. Doing horrible things to your soul, seven times. 22:26 < Evenstar> The first stages of the Name require you to destroy your reputation, kill yourself repeatedly, blacken your soul, and torment yourself with nightmares. 22:26 < Andygal> also going to jail seven times. 22:26 < Evenstar> Then it gets worse. 22:26 < Verdancy> I vote we move everyone non-terrible out of FL and then let Astra eat it. 22:27 < Evenstar> (Seven. Seven is the Number.) 22:27 < Evenstar> Quite simply 22:27 < Evenstar> The point of Seeking is that it will destroy you, and destroy you, until there is nothing left but the need to know the Name. 22:28 < Evenstar> It is deliberately and gratuitously unfair. 22:28 < Teceler> Evenstar: possibly should be in #spoilers ? 22:28 < Teceler> XD 22:28 < Teceler> actually you generally suicide by well more than seven times 22:28 < Teceler> you have do it /right/ 22:28 < Teceler> XD 22:28 < Teceler> (yeah, Seven is the number of times you have do it correctly) 22:28 < sigma> Is any of this the dude's fault 22:29 < Teceler> sort of 22:29 < Andygal> Seeking is so bad that the Devs have outright said you should not do it and many people won't be able to continue beyond a certain point and that is intentional. 22:29 < Evenstar> sigma: Somewhat. 22:29 < Evenstar> Let me explain a thing. 22:29 -!- Sky has joined #backstage 22:29 < Teceler> you may want to explain the thing in #spoilers 22:29 < Teceler> depending on what you plan to explain 22:29 < Evenstar> This is OOC stuff. 22:30 < Evenstar> Seeking started out as a tight-knit community of die-hard players who all had reached the end of content and then decided to see what was behind the door marked 'DO NOT OPEN ANCIENT COSMIC EVIL TURN BACK NOW YOU FOOLS' 22:30 < Teceler> XD 22:30 < Evenstar> It was really astonishingly punishingly hard and unfair. 22:30 < Verdancy> pfft 22:30 < Evenstar> But people were intrigued by it 22:30 < Teceler> they did it anyway 22:30 -!- Sonata has quit 22:31 < Evenstar> Yep. 22:31 < Evenstar> And so the first part of the Seeking was completed. 22:31 < Evenstar> And there was no new Mr. Eaten content for a while. 22:31 < Evenstar> There was sort of a 'cult of seekers' 22:31 < Teceler> and then Marsh-Mired happend 22:31 < Teceler> *happened 22:31 < Evenstar> Who all knew each other. 22:31 < Evenstar> Yep. 22:32 < Evenstar> And then the Devs deliberately created an opportunity for them to backstab each other. 22:32 < Evenstar> Those who betrayed their fellows would find their Seeking much easier. 22:32 < Evenstar> At the 'cost' of permanently closing off the search for another. 22:32 * Verdancy takes a moment 22:33 < Evenstar> Yeah. 22:33 * Verdancy rests her head in her hands 22:33 < Evenstar> Seeking is /that/ bad. 22:33 * Verdancy imagines the evil cackling that was going on in the mods' hangout 22:34 < Teceler> and then there was the thing with the candles, too 22:35 < Evenstar> Yes. The devs deliberately encouraged a climate of suspicion and distrust. 22:35 < Teceler> --oh, you could also infect people with Seeking for some levels of Marsh-Mired 22:35 < Evenstar> Seeking was not meant to be /fun/. 22:35 < Evenstar> (Not exactly.) 22:36 < Verdancy> *imaginary evil cackling intensifies* 22:36 < Teceler> XD 22:36 < Andygal> I think it was some kind of experiment in how far people will go just beause you tell them they shouldn't. 22:36 <@Adelene> (I am really confused as to why/how Enchant Weapon doesn't work on body parts but does work on weapons built into spaceships, Sonata.) 22:37 < sigma> In D&D I think you can enchant "natural weapons" like claws 22:37 < Evenstar> Andygal: It is and was more or less exactly that. 22:37 < Evenstar> It was a question: 22:38 < Evenstar> "How far are you willing to go in the search for truth?" 22:38 < Evenstar> Or: "How badly do you want to destroy yourself?" 22:38 < sigma> Vicious. 22:38 < Evenstar> ... etc. 22:39 < Evenstar> Oh, I need to find this post 22:39 < sigma> Sounds like they were risking an actual literal suicide somewhere. 22:39 < Evenstar> I got my best bug report ever. The formal company policy and this is on the cards as you play through the Mr Eaten content. We say if you play thAt content and you think something’s wrong, it’s possible that you’re just screwed. Obviously, if people do report actual bugs we try to fix them." 22:40 < Evenstar> "But this particular report was very polite and it went like this: “Dear Failbetter, I played through four-fifths of a story, until I reached the nightmarish midnight carnival, where I was offered a 40 nex opportunity to delete my character forever, with no advantage or unique text to gain. I thought I’d do it anyway because I was curious.” 22:40 < Teceler> XD 22:40 < Teceler> oh I remember hearing about that 22:40 < Evenstar> ow, bear in mind, that nobody is going to get this far with a starting character. But he went through with it and then wrote to us to say: “There must have been a glitch because my character wasn’t deleted. I hesitate to ask for the return of the Nex but could you please delete my character because I feel like I’ve got away with something.” 22:41 < Evenstar> I really think that /that/ sums up Seeking better than anything else I could say. 22:41 < Teceler> yeah Xd 22:41 < Teceler> *XD 22:42 < sigma> Well then. 22:42 < Evenstar> (Failbetter in general produces excellent content and eccentric fans) 22:42 < Evenstar> (Such as Rat Sender Man) 22:42 < sigma> And you were relating this to the OTC somehow? 22:43 < Teceler> Evenstar is trying to give an idea of what Seeking is 22:43 < Teceler> I think XD 22:43 < Teceler> pfft 'Rat Sender Man' XD 22:43 < Evenstar> Anyway the point is that Mr. Eaten is bad news. 22:43 < Evenstar> But from the limited evidence available he's actually more or less in the right. 22:44 < Evenstar> So OTC is likely to take his side. 22:44 < Evenstar> Teceler: Have you not heard of Rat Sender Man? 22:44 < Teceler> like. he's not the only one in FL who's been wronged, though? He's just more powerful, still 22:44 < Andygal> He did get screwed over. 22:44 < Teceler> Evenstar: I have, that description is just XD 22:44 < Evenstar> (hee) 22:44 < Verdancy> ping, Sonata 22:45 < Evenstar> "One of our fans is very enthusiastic. He started sending me rats, everytime the card came up. So I was receiving hundreds of rats. One day, I sent him a message from the Bazaar with all of the rats he’d sent attached, saying ‘excuse me, I think these are yours.’ But it didn’t discourage him." 22:45 < Verdancy> wait, shit 22:45 < Teceler> XD 22:45 < Evenstar> " He started sending even more rats, hundreds of them, so I went into the debug tool and sent fifty thousand back to him. Then it became an in-forum joke and he’s built a StoryNexus game called Rat Sending Simulator 2013 and it’s all about players sending rats to each other, through an elaborate in-game mythos." 22:45 < Verdancy> we lost Sonata 22:45 < Verdancy> ...oh well 22:45 < Evenstar> "We get a better class of stalker." 22:45 < Teceler> --aww, Lizzie 22:45 < Evenstar> Oh, incidentally Teceler 22:46 < Evenstar> Are you aware of the godawfulness that is Black Crown? 22:46 < Teceler> I never got very deep in Black Crown, but yes 22:46 < Evenstar> ... *shudder* 22:47 < Teceler> yeah, that was why 22:47 < Evenstar> I am glad that it no longer exists on the internet. 22:47 < Evenstar> Also slightly sad. 22:47 < Evenstar> But relieved. 22:47 < Teceler> heh 22:47 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 22:47 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 22:47 < Andygal> Hi Sonata. 22:47 < Teceler> wb Sonata 22:47 <@Sonata> hi 22:47 < Verdancy> Welcome back, Sonata! 22:47 < Verdancy> (also ping) 22:48 < Verdancy> Lizzie has had a bad week. 22:48 < Teceler> like, Evenstar, Eaten is /also/ wronging everyone who is Seeking, because that's not /entirely/ of their own will? It kind of... eats you. 22:48 < Evenstar> True. 22:49 <@Adelene> I am really confused as to why/how Enchant Weapon doesn't work on body parts but does work on weapons built into spaceships, Sonata. 22:50 * Sonata thinks 22:52 <@Sonata> ok, so in Dungeon's paradigm, (1) resleeving isn't a thing, and (2) there's an ontologically basic distinction between creature and objects 22:52 <@Sonata> Enchant Weapon targets an object. 22:52 < sigma> Iirc D&D versions tend to allow enchanting "natural weapons" such as claws. 22:52 <@Adelene> So it only works on nonperson spaceships, that helps some. 22:52 <@Sonata> right. 22:52 <@Adelene> I'm still /slightly/ confused, but less so. 22:53 < Teceler> ...if someone sleeves into the spaceship what happens? 22:53 <@Sonata> It depends on how they relate to the weapons, psychologically. 22:53 < Teceler> or, for that matter, if you cast it on a morph no one's currently sleeved into 22:53 <@Sonata> Are these things /installed in/ their body, like earrings? Or are they /part of/ their body, like prosthetic limbs? 22:53 < Teceler> varies by person 22:53 <@Sonata> you can totally cast on natural weapons of an empty morph. 22:54 <@Sonata> and can even then remote-pilot that morph. 22:54 < Teceler> Evenstar: I am still trying to think of a better Seeking quote for that :( 22:54 <@Sonata> but if the weapon becomes someone's body part, the spell breaks. 22:55 < Andygal> Teceler: a reckoning will not be postponed indefinitely? 22:56 < Teceler> that's what I had 22:56 < Teceler> but that has a certain, um, resonance, to the OTC 22:56 < Evenstar> (But that causes OTC to go 'unpaid debt, fix') 22:56 < Andygal> hahahahaha 22:57 < Andygal> I am honestly completely unsure who is worse in that stituation. 22:57 < Teceler> either way it is too much on fire XD 22:57 < Teceler> for the moment, at least Xd 22:57 < Andygal> helps that we don't know wtf the motivation was for the drowning etc. 22:57 < Teceler> *XD 22:57 < Andygal> Teceler: yeah probably. 22:57 < Teceler> uh, Andygal 22:57 < Teceler> we do actually 22:57 < Teceler> at least some 22:57 < Andygal> did I miss this part? 22:58 <@Sonata> @Rat Stalker Man: actual rats, irl? 22:58 < Andygal> NO! 22:58 < Andygal> ahahaaha 22:58 < Teceler> no, 'rats on a string' is a game item 22:58 < Andygal> in-game rats. 22:58 < Teceler> that you can send to people 22:58 < Teceler> for, um, reasons 22:59 <@Sonata> I was just wondering, because 'better class of stalker' 22:59 < Evenstar> (I would actually not be surprised if someone had sent Alexis Kennedy an actual rat at his actual mailing address) 22:59 < Teceler> (I was about to say that XD) 22:59 < Evenstar> (That feels like a Fallen London thing that could happen.) 22:59 < sigma> Fifty thousand actual rats would be A Problem. 23:00 < Teceler> (I remember hearing a discussion about someone considering sending Failbetter a model Eyeless Skull) 23:00 < Verdancy> Sonata: I'm ready for Mother Starlight to do the thing 23:01 < Evenstar> (I feel like if you were a really dedicated stalker, you would have the Eyeless Skull just sort of ... turn up.) 23:01 < Teceler> (XD) 23:02 < Andygal> ahahaha 23:03 -!- Butcher has joined #backstage 23:05 <@Sonata> Verdancy, done. 23:05 <@Sonata> ...Lizzie can fork herself? 23:06 < Andygal> Clone Drone potion is a thing. 23:06 < Andygal> hi Butcher 23:06 < Teceler> ...Sonata how do you feel about MS interrupting Niryl's pm to the OTC to do something about the infohazard? 23:07 < Verdancy> Lizzie can fork herself, but she can't merge 23:07 < Verdancy> So any forking is kind of a big, permanent decision 23:07 < Verdancy> so 23:07 < Teceler> ...Verdancy do you /want/ a Lizziefork to go to the Neath? 23:07 <@Sonata> Forum PMs are subject to the same stringent filters against infohazards as posts. 23:07 < Teceler> Sonata: yup 23:08 < Verdancy> Teceler: idk maybe? if you think it would be interesting? 23:08 < Verdancy> and not too much fire 23:09 < Teceler> Verdancy: I don't /think/ it's too much fire? 23:09 < Verdancy> I mean, probably what happens is she dies 23:10 < Verdancy> But fucks a lot of shit up on the way 23:10 -!- Verdancy has quit 23:10 < Andygal> Teceler: Makes more sense for Esthfora to do it? 23:10 < Teceler> Andygal: yeah, that was my second or third thought XD 23:11 < Teceler> Verdancy: hm? 23:11 -!- Verdancy has joined #backstage 23:11 < Teceler> er 23:11 < Teceler> oh wb 23:11 < Teceler> <Teceler> Verdancy: hm? 23:11 < Verdancy> well that was an interesting time to randomly lose access 23:11 < Teceler> XD 23:12 < Teceler> * has quit 23:12 < Teceler> <Andygal> Teceler: Makes more sense for Esthfora to do it? 23:12 < Teceler> <Teceler> Andygal: yeah, that was my second or third thought XD 23:12 < Teceler> <Teceler> Verdancy: hm? 23:12 < Teceler> * Verdancy has joined #backstage 23:12 < Verdancy> I mean, she shows up, she is /mad/, because it has been a /hell/ of a week and people are terrible and /someone/ has been hurting her person\ 23:12 < Verdancy> and she is armed to the teeth 23:13 < Teceler> --oh /dear/ XD 23:13 < Verdancy> if she doesn't explode on entry she is going to wreck some shit 23:13 < Teceler> um, how are you picturing her /getting/ there? 23:13 < sigma> I hear some universes have explode on entry. 23:13 < Teceler> (also how did Niryl become her person? :P) 23:14 < Verdancy> (she gets attached to people) 23:14 < Verdancy> (like, fast) 23:14 < Teceler> (apparently!) 23:14 < Verdancy> (particularly if they are suffering in front of her) 23:14 < Evenstar> (How armed is 'to the teeth'?) 23:14 < Teceler> (pffft) 23:14 < Verdancy> she has 23:14 < Verdancy> a /lot/ of explosives 23:15 < Verdancy> various acids 23:15 < Verdancy> some nonlethal countermeasures 23:15 < Teceler> pfft 23:15 < Verdancy> including knockout and turning people into frogs 23:15 < Teceler> Verdancy: like, if she lands next to Niryl I expect that to go significantly differently than various other outcomes 23:16 < Evenstar> (Jinx needs to obtain anti-WoD-Explosions) 23:16 < Verdancy> i mean, if someone tries to talk her down she'll run out of steam pretty fast and go, this is probably not the smartest thing I could be doing 23:16 < Evenstar> (Or she will never get her REVENGE) 23:16 < Verdancy> (hee) 23:16 < Evenstar> (Unfortunately, only Daevaing appears to work for that so far) 23:16 < Verdancy> Lizzie also has built up enough tolerance to potions that she can buff herself a /lot/ 23:17 < Verdancy> (oh, dear) 23:17 < Verdancy> and possibly she will come in riding on a unicorn 23:17 < Teceler> ... 23:17 < Teceler> that, um, yeah that significantly effects how this goes 23:17 < Verdancy> (assuming she can find a volunteer who is also down with fucking shit up and maybe dying) 23:18 < Teceler> I mean I expect her to bring protection against infohazards but 23:18 < Verdancy> ...she doesn't have any way of moving between universes on her own, so 23:18 < Verdancy> probably this will not happen 23:19 < Verdancy> because the people who do have ways of moving between universes are significantly more level-headed 23:20 < sigma> Now imagining if we had someone less level-headed who moved people between universes 23:20 < Butcher> Lady Death: *blushes* 23:21 <@Adelene> It is proooobably a good thing the kobold is indisposed, too. 23:21 < sigma> Post you want to see ice beasts someday? *Poof* 23:21 <@Adelene> ^^ 23:21 < Butcher> Gabby could totally do it. 23:21 < Verdancy> ....is meta!Lurker shrieking? 23:21 < Butcher> He can still PM people 23:21 < Evenstar> Gabby has escaped! 23:21 < Verdancy> I thought Gabby was busy having the watergun fight to end all watergun fights 23:21 <@Adelene> meta!Lurker is vaguely disgruntled at not being available to do the thing. ^^ 23:21 < Verdancy> as a creepy santa dude 23:22 < Verdancy> with an underaged girl 23:22 < Evenstar> Gabby the creepy santa dude 23:22 < Teceler> XD 23:22 < Butcher> He is aware of how creepy it is, he has been arrested for it in toppled. 23:22 < Butcher> And is still sitting in his cell 23:22 * Verdancy facepalms 23:22 < Butcher> puppeteering a second santa 23:23 < Teceler> Evenstar: pm-tag! 23:23 * Verdancy double-facepalms 23:23 < Evenstar> Well 23:23 < Evenstar> Most people are underaged compared to Gabby 23:23 < Evenstar> >.> 23:23 < Butcher> he plans to change into a clone of his host for the fight itself. 23:24 < Butcher> and don a huge ass medival armor 23:24 < Butcher> for fairness 23:24 < Andygal> .... 23:24 < Teceler> ... 23:24 < Andygal> he was arrested for being creepy? 23:24 < Verdancy> Lizzie has actually gone through the forum and read it and Gabriel thinking something is a good idea would be enough for her to put the mental breaks on 23:24 < Teceler> pffffffft 23:25 < Andygal> Lizzie is smart! 23:25 < Butcher> gabby: "Well, I am developmentally stagnant, so the underage thing doesn't actually matter!" 23:25 < Butcher> "I can learn stuff, but never grow up!" 23:25 < Verdancy> Lizzie: You are so creepy. Why are you so creepy. 23:26 < Verdancy> Lizzie: *goes to obtain adult* 23:26 < sigma> So she doesn't recommend domesticating flies and making lizard leather? 23:26 -!- Evenstar has quit 23:27 < Andygal> If gabby shows up in Unity, Anda is going to order an AK-47 from the OTC, even though she doesn't like guns. 23:27 < Butcher> He tried to get a better read on humans, so he went clubbing and tried to hit on people. 23:27 < Teceler> ... 23:27 < Verdancy> oh my /god/ 23:27 < Verdancy> Andygal 23:27 < Andygal> ?? 23:27 * Verdancy breaks out laughing 23:27 < Verdancy> I can't 23:28 < Andygal> be very very quiet, I'm hunting creepers. 23:28 < Verdancy> oh my god 23:28 < Teceler> ...XDXDXDXD 23:28 < Butcher> "If you want an AK I have one in my pocket. Promise to only shoot me." 23:28 < Verdancy> I don't think Anda wants anything in Gabby's pocket 23:28 < Andygal> NOPE. 23:29 < Butcher> "But it's free!" 23:29 * Verdancy does not make the joke 23:29 * Verdancy has such self control 23:29 < Andygal> ahahahahaha 23:31 < Butcher> gabbytag to OTC 23:32 < Butcher> and Lizzy 23:32 < Teceler> wasn't gabby asked to stop posting? 23:32 < Butcher> PMs aren't posting 23:32 < Butcher> to him 23:33 < Butcher> If someone doesn't want him to PM them they got to ask themselves. 23:39 < Butcher> Sky? 23:39 < Sky> ? 23:40 < Butcher> Can we transition into something like "And then they spend the afternoon talking about the finer points of Magic." or something? 23:41 < Sky> sure. and they both learn stuff, and LD leaves, and some time later they can be assumed to have exchanged books? 23:42 < Butcher> OK. Tag 23:49 < Sky> I'm trying to think if Mozee would offer to bring Lizzie to Niryl's world. I think Lizzie is not seeming like someone who would necessarily improve the situation right now, and Mozee doesn't expect to be able to help, so they wouldn't offer unless Lizzie calmed down. 23:52 < Sky> tag, butcher 23:52 < Butcher> BTW what happened to anthusiasm? Because the watergun fight has some really funny dickmoves that help a lot of people in it. 23:52 < Verdancy> yeah she would 23:52 < Verdancy> probably not strictly improve the situation XD 23:53 < Verdancy> ...Gate fizzles when you attempt to target Goal, I think Mozee's gates should probably fail too, actually 23:55 < Sky> the thing there was that Mozee makes gates by linking to a piece of their cloud, which OTC sends to a world. OTC can send to Lizzie, right? 23:55 < Verdancy> Yeah. 23:55 < Teceler> but that results in 'route everything through Mozee's cloud' 23:55 < Verdancy> But if Mozee can make gates, but Gate proper doesn't work, what probably follows is that 23:55 < Teceler> which kind of defeats the purpose 23:55 < Verdancy> that, yeah 23:56 < Verdancy> it is mildly entertaining, though 23:56 < Sky> what is the purpose? not make Goal reachable? 23:56 < Andygal> not make it /easily/ reachable 23:56 < Andygal> so that people with broken powers can't come in and set it on fire. 23:56 < sigma> Possibly make it not right next door to everything else in world tree neighborhood. 23:57 < Teceler> maybe it works briefly and then Goal fizzles it, Verdancy? 23:57 < Verdancy> maybe? 23:58 < Verdancy> I was designing Goal during the whole, we have too much fire, how do we put it out thign 23:58 < Verdancy> *thing 23:58 < Verdancy> so Goal is supposed to be slightly hard to reach, for fire reasons 23:59 < Sky> nothing particularly clever mechanics-wise is coming to mind. if necessary I could give Mozee's magic a range limit and go with the "not right next door" thing, Goal being too far away for them to reach. --- Day changed Sat Aug 22 2015 00:01 < Verdancy> I was thinking it could be too /costly/ for Mozee to do it often but in-thread you said that there's just more magic as you use it 00:02 < Butcher> How about Goal having a "Don't fall out of the Universe." feature and the Gate cannot overcome this, so while it's stable when Goal people try to go through it they ignore it as if it was an illusion. 00:03 < Sky> actually, having an open portal does drain magic, and they can only have ~8 open at once before they're losing magic faster than they make it (number tweakable for optimal fire) 00:03 < Teceler> I don't think that's what Verdancy wants here? 00:03 < Teceler> ...hm 00:03 < Teceler> maybe Goal drains it much faster? 00:03 < Sky> but I'm not sure it could drain /more/ in goal... hm. 00:04 < Butcher> Tag. 00:06 < Sky> unless Goal has a convenient magic-sucking feature... 00:06 < Butcher> And now Mozee can send stuff to three thousand people. 00:06 < Teceler> Goal doesn't like that kind of thing? 00:06 < Sky> actually, I might as well declare that it drains more magic the farther away the universe is, and Goal is very far away? if that works? 00:07 < Verdancy> Goal has ambient magic? 00:07 < Verdancy> Sure> 00:07 < Verdancy> *sure? 00:07 < Verdancy> Unless "Goal doesn't like dependable interworld transport, Mozee's magic has to fight against it trying to close it" would be tidier 00:08 < Butcher> Goal could be like: "What is this weird magic thing? I don't really like it, let's autosell it and give Mozee simmoney for it. 00:08 <@Sonata> haha 00:08 < Verdancy> pfft 00:08 < Andygal> pfffft 00:08 < Verdancy> it's more like, oh my god I'm leaking 00:08 < Verdancy> close it quick 00:09 < Andygal> <hugs for Goal> 00:09 <@Sonata> Or it could be related to timesyncing, normally Mozee just has to have the gate open but here they're the only thing holding two entire universes together that would normally be drifting past each other 00:09 < Sky> if Goal doesn't like dependable interworld transport, I think that would be a good reason to have the magic drain faster. 00:09 <@Sonata> like the difference between a bridge between two islands vs. a bridge between two ships 00:09 * Verdancy accepts hugs on Goal's behalf, even if it is an ornery isolationist universe 00:09 < Sky> ...or timesyncing could definitely do it. Is there a time difference? 00:09 < Verdancy> Goal also does not like timesyncing 00:10 <@Sonata> Goal is natively full of subworlds that don't timesync with each other 00:10 < Verdancy> So. That sounds workable? Whichever you think would be better, I guess. Or both. 00:12 < Butcher> So, does LDget her potions of youth? 00:12 < Sky> so it's costly to make a portal to Lizzie, and it would be even costlier to make one somewhere not synced with the forum. That sounds good. 00:12 < Verdancy> all right. 00:12 < Verdancy> Butcher: Lizzie is debating 00:12 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 00:12 < Andygal> this is going to mess with plot between Singer and Lizzie. 00:12 < Verdancy> on the one hand, wow, 10K lifespan, that is /really efficient/ 00:13 < Verdancy> ...yeah. Sorry, Andygal. 00:13 < Andygal> We'll work something out. 00:13 < Verdancy> on the other hand, LD is /so shady/. She is /so shady/. Lizzie has met sunnier willow trees/ 00:13 < Teceler> pfffft 00:13 < Andygal> ahahahaha 00:14 < Verdancy> On the first hand again, she could make Ka cheaper! Which could benefit lots of people! Who are from /horrible universes that don't have ghosts/. 00:14 < Butcher> She should have used her real name. 00:14 < Verdancy> On the second hand again, that is a lot of money. What is this shady person going to do with that money. 00:15 < Butcher> Smiling Swallow. 00:15 < Verdancy> pfft 00:15 < Andygal> cute! 00:15 < Butcher> Pony. 00:15 < Sky> oh, and if Mozee tries to send Lizzie something using LD's ritual instead of OTC, that would reach her fine, right? 00:15 < Andygal> I am imagining somebody going to Equestria and just squeeing. 00:16 < Verdancy> Sky: I think so 00:16 < Butcher> But she needs to be called lady death for the supercoolawesome thing I have planned 00:16 < Andygal> this is likely to happen in Effulgence, eventually. 00:16 < Verdancy> Moving things is basically okay, moving people is much more fire 00:16 < Butcher> which, incidentally needs someone to come to equestria and to squee a lot. 00:17 < Andygal> ahahaha 00:17 < Andygal> and then what happens? 00:18 < Butcher> It will also explain why she is called Lady death. 00:18 < Butcher> In. 00:18 < Butcher> A. 00:18 < Butcher> HEARTSONG! 00:18 < Butcher> That I've already written. 00:19 < Verdancy> oh my god 00:25 < Andygal> "best argument for the Oxford comna, 'this is dedicated to my parents, Ayn Rand and God'" 00:25 < Teceler> ...pffffffffft 00:25 < Sky> xD 00:25 < Verdancy> heeeeeeeee 00:26 <@Sonata> ahaha 00:27 < Andygal> also if you google "horrible blonde conservative lady" Ann Coulter's wikipedia article pops up as the first result. 00:28 < Andygal> I have tested this. 00:28 < Verdancy> pfft 00:31 < Teceler> ugh, I need to go sleep 00:31 < Andygal> goodnight? 00:32 < Verdancy> Good night, Teceler. 00:33 < Teceler> good night all 00:33 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Asleep 00:33 < Verdancy> I am also going to sleep 00:33 < sigma> Sonata, measuretwice normally communicates with the forum by fax. If he submits a reply form on a fax machine in another world, can that work too? 00:33 -!- Verdancy is now known as VerdanZzz 00:33 < VerdanZzz> probably we are in the same time zone 00:33 < VerdanZzz> anyway 00:34 < VerdanZzz> Good night, everyone. 00:34 < Butcher> Harmony Magic:"C'mon, here's the chorus. You now know exactly how one could perfectly do an ominous background chant." 00:35 <@Sonata> MS might need to be notified ahead of time, so that she can have a fax number on the appropriate world's network. 00:36 < Andygal> goodnight Verdany 00:36 < VerdanZzz> thanks! Goodnight 00:36 < Butcher> n8 00:37 < VerdanZzz> that does not really work 00:37 < VerdanZzz> good night anyway :P 00:37 < Butcher> wait, that doesn't really work in english, does it? 00:37 * VerdanZzz snuggles into bed 00:37 < VerdanZzz> nope 00:37 * VerdanZzz really goes to Zzz this time 00:37 < Butcher> Maybe with a really thick australian accent. 00:38 < Andygal> maybe? 00:38 < Butcher> it's "N acht" 00:39 < sigma> "N huit" ought to work too 00:39 < sigma> For "nuit" 00:41 < sigma> Sonata, hmmm. At that point is it as easy to ask MS to provide an English-language web forum on a network that ordinarily just does simlish? 00:42 <@Sonata> Yeah, that'd be easier for everyone involved I tihnk. 00:43 < sigma> We'll do that then. For M2 assisting with potions in Goal. 00:43 -!- Sky has quit 00:44 < sigma> For translation and for regular forum access. 00:47 < sigma> M2 will have to learn to use a computer. 00:49 * Andygal is imagining M2 pecking adorably at a keyboard. 00:51 -!- Kelsewhere has quit 01:03 < sigma> Pretty much, yeah! 01:07 < sigma> Also possibly trackpad drawing, if Lizzie doesn't have a scanner. 01:10 < sigma> Also the keyboard's p likely to be in a different alphabet than he uses. Maybe little stickers for the keys. 01:13 < Andygal> Lizzie has a smartphone I think, she can take pictures of his drawings for him. 01:14 < Andygal> and yeah Sinlish does not use the English alphabet. 01:15 < sigma> You've seen that M2 doesn't use the English alphabet we're used to either. 01:15 < sigma> Yet a different one. 01:17 < sigma> Also, not a 1:1 cipher either. 01:20 < Andygal> well Simlish doesn't use that alphabet either. Well unless Verdancy and you want it to. 01:30 < sigma> Right. So the keyboard will be very foreign. 01:32 < sigma> M2 and maybe Lizzie would have some chance to recognize Latin letters, but each other's letters are completely strange. 01:32 < Andygal> possibly they might end up having to ask the Eclipsites or somebody to produce a keyboard in M2's script 01:33 < sigma> If they need one long term. 01:33 < Andygal> although if they are thinking really long term M2 can just learn Simlish. 01:35 < sigma> Yeah. 01:35 < sigma> Well and if Lizzie's rich soon then there's the translator. 01:36 < Andygal> would M2 be OK with relying on the translator long term? 01:43 < sigma> Depends how long, I imagine. I get the impression you don't have to go places much in Goal. 01:48 < Andygal> nooot really. 01:48 < Andygal> because magic. 01:53 < sigma> Hooray magic. 01:53 < Andygal> Yes. 02:17 <@Sonata> aaah why is it so late 02:23 -!- PDV has quit 02:26 < Butcher> *returns from breakfast. 02:31 -!- VerdanZzz has quit 02:33 -!- Sonata has quit 02:35 -!- sigma has quit
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Post by Mother Starlight on Aug 23, 2015 21:07:45 GMT
03:39 -!- Andygal has quit 09:04 -!- Kelsewhere has joined #backstage 09:42 -!- FacelessDude has joined #backstage 09:43 < FacelessDude> hi 09:44 < FacelessDude> anyone up? 09:49 -!- FacelessDude has quit 10:21 < Butcher> me sporadically 10:24 -!- Teceler|Asleep is now known as Teceler 10:27 -!- Butcher has quit 10:36 -!- FacelessIsMore has joined #backstage 10:36 < FacelessIsMore> hi 10:36 < Teceler> hello 10:42 < FacelessIsMore> whats up? 10:46 < Teceler> not much, some sending science discussion of QDS spells 10:52 -!- Verdancy has joined #backstage 10:52 < Verdancy> Hi, everyone. 10:52 < Teceler> hello Verdancy! 10:52 < Verdancy> Hi! 11:10 -!- FacelessIsMore is now known as FacelessEating 11:10 < FacelessEating> late hi verdancy 11:10 < FacelessEating> o/ 11:27 < Verdancy> Late hi back! 11:31 < Teceler> ping 11:31 <@Adelene> pong 11:31 < Teceler> huh 11:32 < Teceler> ...irc seems to stick around when the rest of the internet is being fritzy 11:33 -!- Sky has joined #backstage 11:33 < Verdancy> Hi, Sky. 11:33 < Sky> Hi 11:37 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 11:37 < Andygal> Hi. 11:37 < Teceler> hello Andygal 12:29 < Verdancy> Hi Andygal! 12:29 < Verdancy> wow, really belatedly, sorry 12:29 < Andygal> eh, np. 12:29 < Verdancy> How are things? 12:29 < Andygal> things are fine. 12:29 < Andygal> and you? 12:29 < Verdancy> That's good! 12:30 < Verdancy> All right, yeah 12:30 < Teceler> brb 12:30 < Verdancy> kay 12:30 < Verdancy> nothing in my immediate vicinity is on fire 12:32 < Andygal> yay! 12:32 < Verdancy> :D 12:35 < Teceler> bk 12:35 < Verdancy> wb! 12:35 < Teceler> lack of fire is always good! XD 12:35 < Verdancy> hee 12:36 < Andygal> except on the MWF here we like things to be slightly on fire. 12:36 < Andygal> but not too much on fire. 12:36 * Verdancy nods solemnly 12:44 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 12:44 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 12:44 < Teceler> hello Sonata 12:44 < Andygal> Hi. 12:45 < Verdancy> Hi Sonata! 12:45 <@Sonata> hi 12:49 <@Adelene> o/ 12:49 <@Adelene> I have questions for you about Dungeon spells! This should possibly happen over in #scritchthekobold though? 12:50 < Verdancy> Hi Adelene! 12:50 <@Adelene> hi :) 12:51 < Verdancy> :) 12:51 < FacelessEating> do you have to join that channel to scritch the kobold? 12:51 <@Adelene> nope ^^ 12:52 < Andygal> the kobold always loves scritches. 12:52 < Andygal> she is adorable. 12:52 < Verdancy> awwwww 12:52 <@Adelene> Well maybe not /always/, but she is pretty gregarious, yes. 12:53 * FacelessEating scritches the kobold 12:53 -!- FacelessEating is now known as FacelessDude 12:53 <@Adelene> Lurker: ^^ 12:53 -!- FacelessDude is now known as FacelessNap 12:53 < Andygal> have a good nap? 12:54 < FacelessNap> thanks 12:54 < FacelessNap> o/ 12:54 < Teceler> sleep well 12:54 <@Adelene> Sleep well :) 12:54 -!- Adelene is now known as Nomsdelene 12:57 < Verdancy> Have a good nap, Faceless. 12:57 < Verdancy> And a good food, Adelene. 12:57 <@Nomsdelene> ^^ 12:57 < Teceler> enjoy, yes 12:57 < Verdancy> :) 13:20 -!- Nomsdelene is now known as Adelene 13:20 * Adelene pokes Sonata. 13:32 -!- Sky has quit 14:54 < Verdancy> I am going to food 14:54 < Teceler> enjoy 14:54 < Andygal> food is good. 14:54 * Verdancy nods 14:54 -!- Verdancy is now known as Verdancy|Noms 14:55 < Verdancy|Noms> I might be a while because also I have to work soon, so 14:55 < Teceler> luck? 14:55 < Verdancy|Noms> Bye, everyone. 14:55 < Verdancy|Noms> Thanks! 15:04 -!- MTC has quit 15:17 -!- Kelsewhere is now known as Kel 15:17 < Kel> hi 15:17 < Teceler> Kel! 15:17 < Kel> Hi! 15:18 <@Adelene> o/ 15:18 < Kel> \o 15:18 <@Adelene> *shoos Kel to godsfire* 15:33 -!- Andygal has quit 15:34 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 15:38 -!- Andygal has quit 15:38 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 15:50 -!- Butcher has joined #backstage 16:03 -!- Butcher has quit 16:31 -!- Verdancy|Noms has quit 16:33 -!- FacelessNap is now known as FacelessGame 16:33 < FacelessGame> hi again 16:33 < Teceler> hello 16:33 < Teceler> did you nap well? 16:33 < Kel> hi 16:49 -!- Andygal has quit 16:49 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 16:52 -!- Andygal has quit 16:53 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 16:56 < FacelessGame> Tec, sorry for the late reply, I did twice >.> 16:56 < FacelessGame> and now got distracted with Terraria 16:56 < FacelessGame> how things are going? 16:56 < Teceler> that is fine 16:56 < Teceler> sending science is gradualy occuring 16:59 < FacelessGame> sending science where? 17:04 < Teceler> ? 17:05 <@Adelene> https://etherpad.net/p/sendingscience ~700 17:05 <@Adelene> (It needs to be trimmed again :P ) 17:09 < Teceler> (probably yeah) 17:18 < FacelessGame> huh 17:18 < FacelessGame> why etherpad? 17:57 <@Adelene> *shoos Kel to godsfire* 17:58 < Kel> oh 18:43 -!- PDV has joined #backstage 19:30 -!- Adelene is now known as Sleepdelene 19:59 -!- FacelessGame has quit 20:12 -!- Evenstar has joined #backstage 20:13 < Evenstar> (Hi again all) 20:13 < Teceler> hello Evenstar 20:13 < Teceler> it is quiet at the moment 20:13 -!- PDV has quit 20:15 < Andygal> Hi Evenstar 20:16 -!- sigma has joined #backstage 20:16 < Teceler> hello sigma 20:16 < sigma> "MWF: Someone please come get me out of this universe." 20:17 < Teceler> ? 20:17 * Teceler refreshed forum 20:17 < Teceler> *refreshes 20:17 < Teceler> ...pft 20:17 < sigma> Kumi's latest post, and another fine tagline for the forum. 20:17 < Andygal> <hugs for Kumi) 20:18 < Teceler> [hugs for Kumi if wanted] 20:18 < Evenstar> [Kumi accepts hugs gratefully] 20:20 < sigma> Throw it on the pile with "MWF: The proportion of sentients on this forum in good situations seems to be rapidly approaching zero." "MWF: Did someone say murder party?" And probably some taglines not written by Evenstar too. 20:20 < Teceler> XD 20:21 < Evenstar> (Hee) 20:21 < sigma> Evenstar, you have a way of summing it up in one. 20:25 < sigma> Evenstar, has Verdancy had a chance yet to talk with you about the start of shopping with the potions startup Takkarash from Ahrotahn? 20:26 < Evenstar> I don't think so! 20:28 < sigma> Ok. We discussed it a bit last night(?) from the perspective of Lizzie and M2. 20:29 < sigma> Did a bit of price checking and figured out a probable first priority. 20:29 < Evenstar> "potions startup Takkarash" 20:30 < Evenstar> I can't quite parse this >.> 20:30 < Teceler> XD 20:30 < Teceler> the takkarash Ahrotahn gave to the potions startup? 20:30 < Teceler> (if you want to call it that) 20:31 < sigma> Yes, that 20:31 < Evenstar> Oh that 20:31 < Evenstar> Right! 20:34 < sigma> Also Verdancy was wondering if there's a meaning behind burningbright's latest request going unfilled - one of {Eva, OTC, Evenstar} becoming one of {bored, distracted, annoyed, alarmed} with the repeated minting requests? 20:34 < sigma> Latest minting request 20:35 < sigma> (Brackets 'n all mine) 20:35 < sigma> (I can rephrase if it's confusing that way) 20:36 < sigma> Request appears to me midway down page 15 of 17 I think 20:36 < Teceler> iirc Evenstar said it was deliberately ignored 20:36 < Teceler> but not why 20:39 -!- Sky has joined #backstage 20:39 < Teceler> hello Sky 20:39 < Sky> hello 20:39 < Evenstar> sigma: You haven't seen the conversations I've had with Ahrotahn consisting of 'Pellets are ready' 'and they're gone' repeated ad nauseam 20:40 < Evenstar> It's an IC 'wait a second something fishy is happening, also I am annoyed with these repeated tiny mintings' 20:40 < Teceler> pffffft 20:40 <@Sonata> (fortunately she eventually stopped bothering to make pellets because takkarash are so much more lucrative) 20:40 < Evenstar> With OTC on part A and Eva on part B 20:40 < Andygal> Ha. 20:40 < Evenstar> (The OTC doesn't exactly get bored) 20:41 < Evenstar> (So much as it believes sitting around being unproductive is bad for business) 20:41 < Teceler> (pffffft) 20:41 < Teceler> by the way, what's going on icly with Neathy goods? (other than, you know, the mess the pm got interrupted by) 20:41 < Evenstar> (The OTC would happily sit around and push a button that made more space in the universe for forever, if that was the most efficient use of its time) 20:42 < Teceler> (pfffffffft) 20:42 < Andygal> pffffffft 20:42 < Evenstar> (It would be really good at making Memni if it had, like, hands) 20:42 < Evenstar> (Or any sort of actual body) 20:42 < Evenstar> (That it didn't just sort of lease long-term) 20:43 < Teceler> pffft 20:43 < Teceler> has it tried using an Eclipse morph yet? 20:43 < Evenstar> Yes, and then said 'yep, that is certainly a body' and put it aside for customer use. 20:43 < Teceler> ...XD 20:44 < Evenstar> OTC prefers not to be alone in its bodies. 20:44 < Evenstar> (Pokes OTC: Why?) 20:44 < Teceler> ...aww? 20:44 < Andygal> ...aww? 20:44 < Evenstar> (... Because it's a lot easier to delegate being a human/therian/Orz/minotaur/cat to minds that are experienced with that.) 20:45 < sigma> That pellet conversation sounds tedious! One could perhaps invent workarounds. 20:45 < Evenstar> (... Apparently OTC does not read user manuals.) 20:45 < Teceler> (pffffffft) 20:45 < Andygal> it should know better than that! 20:46 < sigma> Delegating body control is an important topic in Dresdenverse shape changing. Often you end up with bound demons or something piloting your transformed body. 20:46 -!- Andygal is now known as AndyAway 20:47 < AndyAway> later guys. 20:47 < Teceler> good luck with whatever you're going to do? 20:50 < Evenstar> (Frigging hexenwulf belts) 20:53 < sigma> Hexenwulf belts exactly! They help with just the sort of thing the OTC described. 20:54 < Teceler> Evenstar: <Teceler> by the way, what's going on icly with Neathy goods? (other than, you know, the mess the pm got interrupted by) 20:54 < Evenstar> (Except that the OTC of course does not rent its bodies from demons, unless they are reasonable noncorruptive sorts) 20:54 < Teceler> (pffffft) 20:55 < Evenstar> Teceler: The OTC has a deal with the Fingerkings and some senior staff are waffling about whether they should reevaluate it. 20:55 < Teceler> pffffft 20:56 < Teceler> pfft Niryl is actually a Glassman at the moment too XD 20:56 < Evenstar> (hee) 20:56 < sigma> How can you tell what's corruptive? Any full-time employee nudges the OTC's personality a little. 20:56 < Evenstar> sigma: 'a little' is the key part. 20:57 < Evenstar> OTC tries not to hire people that will poison its corporate culture. 20:57 < Teceler> (Although Niryl doesn't have a Parabola destiny) 20:58 < Evenstar> For example, Gabriel, Orz, Xom, Jinx, Viridescence, Miles - all would not be considered for employeeship. 20:58 < sigma> From the perspective of the corporate culture it already has, I presume. 20:58 <@Sonata> /Miles/, really. 20:59 <@Sonata> He is intimidatingly persuasive, I suppose. And fond of taking spectacular risks. 20:59 <@Sonata> But still. 20:59 < sigma> Some can be considered for regular contractors at least, which is good if you want the *Go! Go!* 21:00 < Evenstar> Miles in the OTC has a dangerous probability of turning the whole enterprise into a charity. 21:00 < Teceler> pfffffffffffffffffffffft 21:00 < Evenstar> (OTC resists deviations in /both/ moral directions from its current utility function) 21:00 < Teceler> (heh) 21:01 < Teceler> disappearing for a while, will be back later 21:01 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Away 21:02 -!- PDV has joined #backstage 21:07 < sigma> Repeated small minting of Takkarash and stuff is annoying and the standard fix is home minting kits? 21:07 < Evenstar> sigma: Yep. 21:08 < Evenstar> (You can have a home Ka minting kit!) 21:10 < sigma> Iirc they tend to be priced at 10 of whatever you want to mint, which is preposterous for Cernnuous but quite reasonable for Udi or Takkarash 21:10 < sigma> (Cernnuous probably want the formal process regardless) 21:11 < Evenstar> (Yeah, I mean if you have that much godly time to sell the OTC they will make you a Cernnous minting kit that somehow manages to be reasonably secure) 21:11 < Evenstar> (But until then, do the damn paperwork) 21:12 < Evenstar> (OTC has a policy of never saying 'no', but instead charging ludicrous fees.) 21:12 < Evenstar> (They will mow your lawn for you if you are willing to pay them enough.) 21:13 < Evenstar> In other words, OTC is in the business of providing Magic. 21:13 < Evenstar> https://getmagicnow.com/ << the kind these guys do 21:14 < Evenstar> Also the kind that is, like, actually magic. 21:14 < Evenstar> And also the kind that's 'sufficiently advanced.' 21:15 < sigma> Oh neat, magic. 21:15 < sigma> OTC is in a good business. 21:17 < Evenstar> That said, they will charge more and more the more that they actually need to do physical things in your universe. 21:17 < Evenstar> They're more commodity-focused than service-oriented. 21:18 < Evenstar> (Though they subcontract out mercenaries, ofc) 21:18 < Evenstar> (I am actually surprised that nobody's taken a subcontracting job through the OTC yet) 21:18 < Evenstar> (Other than Orz) 21:18 -!- Sky has quit 21:21 <@Sonata> (might want to advertise more/at all that that's an option) 21:21 < sigma> Bringing it back around to the point, with Ahrotahn's donation, for the first time Lizzie's household has the magic-cash to buy a Ka home minting kit. 21:21 < Evenstar> (It's been advertised slightly but yeah, it could use more promotions) 21:22 < sigma> So that's a new option they never had before (without special minting for the purpose). 21:25 < sigma> Tangentially, the OTC is not a courier service. But people use them as one 'cause they're the closest thing available, until somebody rounds up another stockpile of Minor Planar Ally. 21:25 -!- Sky has joined #backstage 21:26 < sigma> Seems there's a market niche for a courier service. 21:27 <@Sonata> Evenstar, are the hexagons in the OTC's avatar supposed to be aligned with slightly different gap sizes like that? 21:27 < sigma> Would it more enhance fun or reduce fun to introduce one? 21:28 < sigma> Hi, Sky! 21:28 < Sky> ahey 21:33 < sigma> I've thought of like seventy percent of an idea for a courier service. 21:36 < Evenstar> Sonata: Not really, but there is only so much I am willing to do with Paint. 21:37 < Evenstar> :P 21:40 < sigma> Rainfall question: How much fire is _summon-only_ Gate? (Also is there a non-Minor Planar Ally, or other summoning spell?) 21:41 < sigma> That way characters from low worlds can visit high ones, but high characters have to make a powerful friend to visit low worlds. 21:42 < sigma> (Which sentence I can unpack if it's unclear) 21:43 < sigma> S/rainfall/rainstorm/ 21:45 < sigma> This is also relevant to fire-retardant design of any candidate courier service. 21:48 < Evenstar> (At some point I have to include a suspiciously-good subcontracting job from the OTC) 21:49 < Evenstar> (Like, 'put a rock at this exact location in the forest near your house, here's 10,000 OTC) 21:49 -!- sigma_ has joined #backstage 21:49 <@Sonata> It can be used to evacuate people, and possibly to send them home with presents if not carefully designed 21:50 < sigma_> Did I miss anything between my last and Sonata's? 21:50 -!- sigma has quit 21:50 -!- sigma_ is now known as sigma 21:50 <@Sonata> yeah, i'll pm 21:51 <@Sonata> 49:20 <Evenstar> (Like, 'put a rock at this exact location in the forest near your house, here's 10,000 OTC) 21:51 < sigma> Thanks 21:51 < Evenstar> (At some point I have to include a suspiciously-good subcontracting job from the OTC - Like, 'put a rock at this exact location in the forest near your house, here's 10,000 OTC') 21:51 <@Sonata> note to self, /msg + multiline paste does not actually work 21:52 < sigma> It's fairly good at evacuate, though maybe not en masse. That's a level of fire that it is. 21:53 < sigma> Evenstar, that could be a reminder of the possibility of OTC contacting. 21:53 < sigma> Contracting 21:53 < sigma> Sub, even 21:55 < sigma> Sending people home with presents might be acceptable. The presents cannot themselves cast Summon without large MP. 21:55 -!- Teceler|Away is now known as Teceler 21:58 < Teceler> back 21:58 * Teceler giggles at 'suspiciously-good subcontracting job' 21:58 < sigma> I think it is at least an interesting level of fire and I've tried now to mention it in Rainstorm. 21:59 < Teceler> Evenstar: are you planning on having the OTC reply to Niryl's pm? 22:04 -!- PDV has quit 22:09 < Teceler> [crickets] 22:11 -!- sigma is now known as sigmasupper 22:17 -!- Sonata has quit 22:24 < Kel> (back) 22:24 < Kel> sorry, had to do another thing 22:25 < Kel> should've changed name first 22:25 < Teceler> wb Kel! 22:25 < Kel> Thanks! 22:25 < Kel> I am wearing a green and white and black shirt and it is /really/ stripey and it is the BEST texture 22:26 < sigmasupper> Hooray shirt! ???? 22:26 < Kel> yes! 22:27 < Kel> Also welcome back? 22:27 < sigmasupper> It sounds like a very good shirt. 22:27 < Kel> it IS! 22:27 < sigmasupper> (No, I'm being slightly rude and chatting while I wait for the next course) 22:28 < Kel> ok 22:28 * Kel has maybe done that 22:40 -!- sigmasupper has quit 22:48 -!- sigma has joined #backstage 22:50 < Kel> Wb! 22:50 < Teceler> wb sigma? 22:50 < sigma> Thanks 23:02 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 23:03 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 23:03 < Kel> Hi! 23:03 <@Sonata> hi 23:03 < Evenstar> (Incidentally) 23:04 < Evenstar> http://www.suturesound.com/ghost < This is a thing 23:12 -!- Teceler has quit 23:12 -!- tecephone has joined #backstage 23:12 -!- tecephone2 has joined #backstage 23:13 < tecephone> Computer having issues. Restarting 23:13 < tecephone> Hopefully will fix 23:13 < Kel> good luck! 23:13 < Kel> [hug?] 23:13 < tecephone> Hug 23:14 <@Sonata> Restarting fixed mine, dunno if coincidence or synchronicity 23:14 < tecephone> And no I don't know why there's two of me 23:14 <@Sonata> perhaps mercury is retrograde 23:14 < tecephone> Sonata what was yours doing? 23:14 < Kel> oh, I need to go to sleep 23:14 <@Sonata> unable to connect to the network. 23:14 < tecephone> Mine wasn't letting me type 23:14 < Kel> huh 23:15 <@Sonata> When I get keyboard problems, restarting the application usually fixes it 23:15 -!- Teceler has joined #backstage 23:15 < Teceler> test 23:15 < Teceler> --yay 23:15 < Kel> Yay!~ 23:15 < Kel> Welcome back! 23:15 < Teceler> and it wasn't letting me type in /any/ application sonata 23:15 <@Sonata> dunno then 23:15 < Teceler> (someone paste me logs?) 23:15 -!- tecephone has quit 23:16 < Kel> What is the last thing you saw? 23:16 < Teceler> <Sonata> hi 23:16 < Teceler> <Evenstar> (Incidentally) 23:16 < Teceler> <Evenstar> http://www.suturesound.com/ghost < This is a thing 23:16 < Kel> PMd 23:17 < Teceler> thank you :) 23:18 -!- AndyAway is now known as Andygal 23:18 < Teceler> wb Andygal 23:18 < Andygal> Hi. 23:18 < Kel> wb! 23:18 < Kel> hi! 23:18 * Teceler squints at package manager. 23:19 < Teceler> you broke trying to autoupdate again didn't you 23:19 * Teceler sighs. 23:19 < Kel> aw 23:19 < Teceler> I may have to vanish again, it looks like there's a new kernel, among other things 23:19 < Kel> *patpats package manager* 23:19 < Kel> good luck! 23:19 < Kel> I need to go to sleep soon 23:20 < Teceler> eh, it's fairly routine, it just needs to restart to take effect 23:20 < Teceler> sleep is important 23:22 < Kel> okay I am sleep 23:22 < Kel> good night 23:22 -!- Kel is now known as Kelsleep 23:22 < Teceler> sleep well 23:22 < Kelsleep> thank you! you too! 23:22 < Teceler> thanks :) 23:22 < Teceler> (when I do XD) 23:22 < Kelsleep> XD 23:22 < Kelsleep> (make sure to get enough?) 23:22 < Teceler> ...wow that is a lot of updates 23:23 < Teceler> (yeah, I don't have to get up at a specific time, which helps) 23:23 < Teceler> (but I am trying to straighten out my sleep schedule) 23:25 < Andygal> sleep well Kelsleep 23:27 -!- sigma has quit 23:28 -!- sigma has joined #backstage 23:28 * Teceler pokes Evenstar 23:28 < Evenstar> Hi? 23:29 < Teceler> <Teceler> Evenstar: are you planning on having the OTC reply to Niryl's pm? 23:29 < Evenstar> oh 23:29 < Evenstar> Um... Let me get back to you on that 23:29 < Teceler> ...okay 23:31 < Teceler> (I am just kind of tempted to write a fragmentary rant/warning about Parabola / the Fingerkings XD) 23:33 < Evenstar> (hee) 23:34 < Evenstar> (On one hand, OTC really should, on the other hand, such a big Eaten fire. Such a big fire.) 23:34 < Teceler> (XDXDXD) 23:34 -!- Kelsleep has quit 23:36 < Teceler> (Niryl: if you want to try to /fix his situation/ I am vaguely will you on that if you have a plan that avoids massive collateral damage. Blowing up the Bazaar or murdering the Masters or whatever it is he's trying to do with all of us self-destructive puppets, though? massive collateral damage, and doesn't actually fix anything) 23:36 <@Sonata> s/will/with ? 23:36 < Teceler> yeah 23:37 < Evenstar> (Weeeeelllll) 23:37 < Teceler> (pfft) 23:38 < Teceler> (Niryl: besides I think part of the thing is he was promised that all shall be well and all manner of things shall be well and. um. all is not well.) 23:39 < Evenstar> (Incidentally, that's a quote from Julian of Norwich) 23:39 < Teceler> hm? 23:39 < Evenstar> (As quoted by T.S. Eliot.) 23:39 < Evenstar> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_of_Norwich 23:39 < Teceler> the all shall be well etc. 23:39 < Teceler> *? 23:39 < Evenstar> Yep 23:40 < Teceler> moment restarting again 23:40 -!- Teceler has quit 23:43 -!- Teceler has joined #backstage 23:43 < Teceler> back 23:43 < Teceler> did I miss anything? 23:44 < sigma> Moment-restarting sounds like very small scale time travel. 23:44 < Teceler> ...XD 23:44 < Teceler> wrong punctuation there :P 23:44 <@Sonata> you jumped forward in time slightly! 23:44 < sigma> And no you didn't. 23:44 < Evenstar> "Moment-Restarter" 23:45 < sigma> Miss anything. 23:45 < Evenstar> One second of backwards time travel, once per day. 23:45 < Teceler> heee 23:45 < Evenstar> Slap a label on it, sell it as OTC 23:45 <@Sonata> somehow manages to be simultaneously over- and under- powered 23:45 < sigma> It's in flavor. 23:45 < Evenstar> Watch Eclipse go bananas 23:45 < Teceler> pffffft 23:45 <@Sonata> (Also Firewall.) 23:45 < Teceler> I'm guessing it's priced mostly in chron? :P 23:45 < Evenstar> Yeeeep 23:46 < Evenstar> (... Now I am tempted to include a 'save point') 23:46 * Teceler glances at Vearth 23:46 < Evenstar> (Except via time travel.) 23:46 < Teceler> (or, well. Not Vearth, the world they visited) 23:46 < Teceler> pfft 23:47 < Teceler> ...do not make me bring in my character who does that XD 23:47 < Evenstar> (Catch: Only one save point at a time.) 23:47 <@Sonata> (Dimension V6 Vegetable Juice) 23:47 < sigma> Can't just buy the Dimension V save points? 23:48 <@Sonata> I think that any kind of backward time travel is going to cause way too much paperwork for the authors. 23:48 < Teceler> heh 23:48 < Teceler> yeah 23:48 < Teceler> the relevant character, it only works when she dies. 23:48 < sigma> The Dimension VVVVVV save points do not cause any messing with time. 23:48 < Andygal> do not do anything that makes authors' brains sad. 23:48 <@Sonata> /You're/ free to invent and introduce any time travel mechanics that don't make /my/ life harder. 23:49 < Teceler> pffft 23:49 < Teceler> yeah 23:49 < Teceler> I figure if I actually introduced her the forum would manifest in some way that it kept continuity with her 23:50 < Teceler> but I don't really plan to 23:51 < sigma> I think the minute-restarter somehow doesn't. It's fire, but of the sort that just buffs people, not the sort that requires rewriting posts. 23:53 < Teceler> (...pfft the character is now in my head wanting a takkarash minting kit XD) 23:53 < Teceler> no. not foruming you. go away XD 23:57 < Teceler> /no I DON'T want to know what your forum manifestation would be/ 23:57 < Teceler> um 23:57 < Teceler> someone distract me please? 23:58 <@Sonata> Is that a demonic duck of some sort? 23:58 < Teceler> hm? 23:58 <@Sonata> *quack* 23:58 < Teceler> pffft 23:59 -!- PDV has joined #backstage 23:59 < Teceler> hello PDV 23:59 < Teceler> please help distract me from this character who suddenly wants to forum --- Day changed Sun Aug 23 2015 00:00 < sigma> (Unless you can chain it backwards, in which case it consumes all of existence back to the dawn of time. 00:00 < sigma> ) 00:00 < Teceler> ...? 00:00 < Evenstar> Teceler: Would you like an Eva? 00:00 < Andygal> and now I am thinking about unleashing a prinny on the forum again. 00:00 < Evenstar> Sigma: No never. 00:00 < Teceler> Evenstar: ? 00:00 -!- tecephone2 has quit 00:01 < Evenstar> Teceler: I occasionally attempt to send people Evas. 00:01 < Teceler> oh 00:01 < Evenstar> I tried to send Kappa one, but she got lost on the way apparently. 00:01 < Teceler> ...sure, she and Niryl would probably have interesting discussions if she gets here 00:01 < Teceler> (did she get distracted by something shiny? XD) 00:01 < Evenstar> (I thought that having a different character in your brain might help you ignore the other things) 00:01 < Andygal> I was thinking the same thing Teceler! 00:02 < Evenstar> Teceler: That's more of a Jinx thing :P 00:02 < Teceler> heh 00:02 < Evenstar> More like something interesting, like a really good book 00:02 < Teceler> yeah that was the sense I meant 'shiny' in XD 00:02 < Evenstar> Oh, you meant it in the Kaylee way :3 00:02 < Evenstar> Then yes something shiny :P 00:03 < Evenstar> Anyway, sending an Eva now. (She's standing on my hand right now with her silver hair and a little chirpy voice) 00:03 < Teceler> hee 00:03 < Evenstar> (She is apparently happy that she gets to live in someone else's head as well) 00:03 < Andygal> awwwwwwwww 00:03 * Evenstar flicks an Eva into the internet! Hopefully she will find her way to you. 00:04 < Evenstar> <3\ 00:04 <@Sonata> (has it been discussed that there's apparently a possibly-non-kappa-compliant Joker in Echo?) 00:04 < Andygal> <3 00:04 < Evenstar> (Echo?) 00:04 <@Sonata> (or whatever we're calling the FL verse) 00:04 < Teceler> hm? 00:04 < Evenstar> (There's a Joker there?) 00:04 <@Sonata> Jack-of-Smiles 00:05 < Teceler> ...I wouldn't call Jack-of-Smiles a Joker 00:05 < Andygal> Nah Jack-of-Smiles is not a Joker. 00:05 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 00:05 < Evenstar> (... I'm not sure Jack-of-Smiles is a Joker.) 00:05 <@Sonata> he's not especially a kappajoker, but he's a serial killer with a sense of humor 00:05 < Evenstar> (Maybe a Chainsaw, but even then, iffy.) 00:05 <@Sonata> (and there's also a batman) 00:05 < Andygal> hahaahahaahah 00:05 <@Sonata> (whose name i forget, a four letter word i think) 00:05 < Teceler> ...??? 00:05 < Evenstar> .... Aaaa. 00:05 < Evenstar> Vake. 00:05 < Teceler> pffffft 00:06 < Teceler> no 00:06 <@Sonata> yes, thank you 00:06 < Evenstar> Pfffthahah 00:06 < Andygal> Noooooooooo 00:06 <@Sonata> (this interpretation was /clearly intended/ by the authors) 00:06 < Andygal> do you want spoilers about the vake? 00:06 < Evenstar> Actually technically the batmen are the Masters. 00:06 < Teceler> pft 00:06 < Evenstar> :P 00:06 <@Sonata> (perhaps not intended to be the /only/ interpretation, but surely intended to be /an/ interpretation) 00:06 <@Sonata> and no thank you to spoilers 00:07 < Andygal> OK then. 00:07 < Teceler> Sonata: what do you mean? 00:07 < sigma> There are batmen in Carp 00:07 < Teceler> that, yeah 00:08 <@Sonata> there's a sidebar snippet thing with a rumor that the Vake is a man who dresses as a bat and lurks the night 00:08 < Teceler> ...yeah, um 00:08 < Teceler> There are also sidebar snippet that 00:08 < Teceler> *snippets that 00:08 < Andygal> the sidebar snippets are um not to be taken as true. 00:09 < Teceler> ...hm I am not immediately coming up with an egregiously incorrect sidebar snippet that doesn't require a lot of context 00:09 < sigma> A man dressed like a bat has no limits. 00:09 < Teceler> but a /lot/ about the Correspondence 00:09 <@Sonata> so there isn't (necessarily) a cat that can read my thoughts? that's good 00:10 < Teceler> ...the Starveling Cat? 00:10 <@Sonata> yes 00:10 < Teceler> the Starveling Cat! 00:10 < Teceler> um 00:10 * Teceler coughs. 00:10 < Evenstar> Jumped down the well for a good long chat! 00:10 < sigma> Unless you are of the opinion that Cullens are cats 00:10 < Teceler> ...it has not demonstrated an ability to read minds that /I've/ seen but who knows XD 00:11 < Teceler> Evenstar: heeee 00:11 < Andygal> Starvling ket, starvling ket, what did it find in the oubilette! 00:11 < Teceler> (all I was coming up with was 'look what it did to your nice new hat!') 00:11 < Teceler> the starveling kitty, the starveling kitty, ruled the roofs of five stolen cities 00:12 < Evenstar> The Starveling Cat! The Starveling Cat! Why does it look at us like that? 00:13 < Andygal> the Starvling Cat! The Starvling Cat! Want to lose a hand, give the beast a pat! 00:13 * Evenstar collected Starveling Doggerel for a brief period. 00:13 * Evenstar is amused by the tradition of cat-mailing. 00:13 < Teceler> this channel is wonderful 00:13 < sigma> Dog g erel 00:13 < sigma> I don't know Fallen London stuff. 00:14 < Teceler> pfft, I remember something in a update/bugfix report along the lines of 'getting the starveling cat from a catbox is now a rare failure. as it should be' 00:14 * Evenstar hmmms. 00:14 < Evenstar> Pfffthahahahah 00:14 < Teceler> :) 00:14 < sigma> This catbox needs a catbox tag. 00:15 < Teceler> why are you mailing cats in the first place 00:15 < Teceler> who decided that was a good idea?! 00:15 < Teceler> :P 00:16 < Teceler> ... 00:16 < Teceler> [adds to list of things she expects Lizzie to have Opinions about XD] 00:16 < Evenstar> Well 00:16 <@Sonata> INSTEAD OF CHAIR, PACKAGE CONTAINED BOBCAT. A+++ WOULD BUY AGAIN 00:16 < Teceler> XD 00:16 < Evenstar> Rats are a traditional gift in fallen london 00:17 < Andygal> XD 00:17 < Evenstar> (You did hear the conversation about Rat Sender Man, right?) 00:17 < Teceler> a 'traditional' 'gift' 00:17 < Evenstar> Well, it has been a few decades. 00:17 < sigma> Lizzie missed out on the round to have opinions about people-eating spiders. 00:18 <@Sonata> (Novelty: A cat sounds like a great gift!) 00:18 < Teceler> those are nonsentient rats, not rattus faber, iirc. --also they are already dead whent sent, significantly 00:18 < Teceler> *when 00:18 < Evenstar> Yes. 00:18 < Andygal> it's possible that some of them may have been rattus faber, who knows? 00:19 < Teceler> iirc rattus faber look different somehow 00:19 < Evenstar> It's the little masks. 00:19 < Teceler> pft 00:19 < Evenstar> Also the ratwork muskets. 00:19 < Evenstar> With the sharp bayonets. 00:19 < Teceler> but that may just be how they dress, yes XD 00:20 < sigma> Yup, Sonata 00:20 < Teceler> pfft 00:20 < Teceler> Novelty might want to know about the thing where cats in FL are people. Or at least person-ish enough that they can talk 00:21 < Evenstar> Cats in FL are very people. 00:21 < Evenstar> Especially tigers. 00:21 < Teceler> tigers, yes, definitely 00:22 < Evenstar> It's just that they have a different sort of personality from humans. Because, well, cats. 00:22 * Teceler nods. 00:23 < Teceler> I would interpret them as people, yeah 00:23 < sigma> They're conveniently people-sized, from an aranea perspective. 00:23 < sigma> And it sounds like some of them might be telepathic. 00:23 < Evenstar> Also I suspect they share the Sorrow-spider transportation method. 00:24 < Teceler> but most of our data about garden-variety cats is their ability to talk, and to find out things --although some apparently play the Game 00:24 < Teceler> ... 00:24 < Teceler> pfft 00:24 < Evenstar> Wait what 00:24 < Evenstar> Uh 00:24 < Teceler> Evenstar: hm? 00:24 < Evenstar> I think the point at which cats are international spies is the point at which you admit they're people 00:24 < Teceler> XD 00:24 < Teceler> yeah 00:25 < Andygal> XD 00:25 * Teceler had forgotten that factoid XD 00:25 < Andygal> the cats are very much people. 00:26 < Teceler> yeah, there's a result from opening a catbox where the cat says something like 'the Game sends us where it will' and leaves you with a secret 00:26 < Teceler> *wills 00:27 < Evenstar> ... That is exceedingly interesting 00:27 < sigma> Based solely on this conversation, I'm tempted to rule that FL cats read as people to aranea. Principally because it would be funny. 00:27 < Evenstar> That suggests that receiving a cat can be a coded message. 00:27 < Teceler> pfffft 00:27 < Evenstar> Which, truthfully, it could be 00:27 < Teceler> yeah XD 00:28 < Teceler> http://fallenlondon.wikia.com/wiki/Behold_the_cat 00:28 < Evenstar> (also I am fairly sure that the cats are at war with the fingerkings) 00:29 < Evenstar> (Also also: http://fallenlondon.wikia.com/wiki/Midnight_Matriarch ) 00:29 < Evenstar> (Recall the Duchess.) 00:29 < Teceler> look 00:29 < Teceler> I am not arguing that FL cats are not people 00:29 < Teceler> okay? 00:29 < Evenstar> (Recall that the Duchess mostly keeps the company of cats.) 00:29 < sigma> This entire universe sounds mad as hatters. 00:29 < Evenstar> Hee. 00:29 < Teceler> ah XD 00:29 < Teceler> pffft 00:29 < Teceler> Evenstar: hm? 00:29 < Evenstar> Sigma: It is 00:30 < Evenstar> In the most wonderful way. 00:30 < Teceler> that yes XD 00:30 < Evenstar> Have we talked about sorrow-spiders yet? 00:30 < Teceler> XD 00:30 < Teceler> "They put it in a box! And it hated that!" 00:30 < sigma> I haven't heard but one line about them. 00:31 < Teceler> Evenstar you mentioned the transportation thing. please do not spoil that unless sigma wants to be spoiled 00:31 < Teceler> it's a plot point XD 00:31 -!- Sky has quit 00:31 < Evenstar> Sorrow-spiders take their name from the tears that fall from your remaining eye. 00:32 < Evenstar> (Fallen London fauna is extraordinarily nasty.) 00:32 < sigma> So they eat your eye? 00:32 < Teceler> um 00:32 < Evenstar> 'Take' is more accurate. 00:32 < Evenstar> For /purposes/ 00:32 < Andygal> spoilery purposes. 00:32 < Evenstar> yep. 00:36 <@Sonata> (does anyone want to connect with me in FL? I am fairly newbie, had a character a while back but abandoned it and am starting a new one.) 00:36 < Teceler> my FL character is (as you may have guessed XD) Niryl, if you want to poke me 00:37 < Teceler> although I'm not very active half the time 00:37 < Teceler> thinking about starting an alt when the early content revamp is done 00:40 < Andygal> added Teceler 00:40 <@Sonata> (my character is Mira Venefica) 00:42 < Teceler> "This is the lesson of the revolution they say. Apparently the lesson is that revolutions are expensive." 00:43 -!- MTC has quit 00:44 < sigma> I'm picturing Pikmin dweevils running off with glass eyes. 00:45 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 00:46 < Teceler> ...I should go sleep 00:47 < sigma> This is possible. 00:47 < Teceler> just possible? :P 00:48 < Teceler> good night all 00:49 < sigma> I cannot recommend dreaming of FL. 00:49 < Teceler> ah 00:49 < Evenstar> ... "You unlocked this with Inspired 32" 00:49 < Teceler> ...yeah I would prefer not to do that 00:49 < Teceler> Evenstar: ...? 00:49 < Evenstar> "You needed Inspired 5" 00:49 < Teceler> pffft 00:49 < Evenstar> Apparently I was a bit excessive. 00:49 < Teceler> what were you grinding Inspired for? 00:51 -!- butcher has joined #backstage 00:51 * Teceler is currently (when I remember) getting her connections up in preparation for the connections revamp 00:51 < sigma> Would you like to dream of flatcats 00:51 < Teceler> pft 00:52 < Andygal> dreaming of flatcats would be superior to dreaming of sorrow spiders. 00:52 < butcher> who wouldn't? 00:52 < Teceler> guys the fact that you keep suggesting dreaming of sorrow spiders is /not helping with that/ 00:52 < Evenstar> No idea. 00:53 < Teceler> anyway I was going to go sleep 00:53 < Teceler> good night 00:53 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Asleep 00:59 -!- Sonata has quit 01:00 < sigma> Sleep seems to be the game. 01:02 < butcher> evenstar, if people ask OTC for a Locator rod can you assume gabby sent them one? 01:03 < butcher> or rather is ready to send them one. 01:05 -!- Evenstar has quit 02:23 -!- butcher has quit 02:55 -!- PDV has quit
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Post by Mother Starlight on Aug 24, 2015 17:24:14 GMT
03:32 -!- Kelsewhere has joined #backstage 03:35 -!- Kelsewhere has quit 05:08 -!- Sleepdelene is now known as Adelene 06:47 -!- kappabeta has joined #backstage 06:47 -!- mode/#backstage [+o kappabeta] by ChanServ 06:49 <@Adelene> Kappa ^^ 06:50 < Andygal> It's a kappa! 06:50 < Andygal> and I should get some sleep. 06:50 -!- Andygal has quit 09:04 -!- Kelsewhere has joined #backstage 10:31 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 10:31 < Andygal> Hi. 10:35 -!- Teceler|Asleep is now known as Teceler 10:35 < Teceler> hello 10:44 -!- Sky has joined #backstage 10:58 -!- FacelessEat has joined #backstage 10:58 < FacelessEat> hi 10:58 < Andygal> Hi. 10:58 < Teceler> hello Sky, hello Faceless 10:59 < Sky> Hi 11:09 < FacelessEat> whats up? 11:12 < Teceler> "The Sterveling Ket! The Sterveling Ket! What did it find in the oubliette?" 11:50 < FacelessEat> what? 11:51 < Teceler> random statement (it popped up on my FL sidebar) 11:51 < Andygal> *snicker* 11:51 < Teceler> what? :P 11:59 -!- FacelessEat has quit 12:40 -!- Evenstar has joined #backstage 12:42 -!- PDV has joined #backstage 12:46 < Xom> i am greatly pleased by the existence of chaos editions of videogames 12:47 < Xom> which are mods/hacks of videogames that randomly turn cheat codes on and off 12:47 < Teceler> pfffft 12:47 < Teceler> (hello Evenstar, hello PDV) 12:47 < Xom> this causes predictably hilarious effects 12:48 < Xom> i am in fact watching someone stream windwaker chaos edition right now 12:50 < Teceler> enjoying yourself? 12:50 < Xom> immensely 12:55 < Teceler> well, that's good! 13:06 < Evenstar> Xom: Link? 13:06 < Evenstar> I want to see this amusemeny 13:07 < Evenstar> *amusement 13:07 < Xom> ok before i give you this link: do not watch if you have epilepsy 13:08 < Xom> http://www.hitbox.tv/Artix/chat 13:10 < Xom> models in the game twitch constantly and there is a mode where it literally changes the color of everything on screen every frame 13:12 < Evenstar> yep 13:16 -!- Aestrix has joined #backstage 13:17 < Aestrix> Hello 13:17 < Teceler> hello Aestrix 13:17 < Andygal> Chatstrix! 13:17 < Aestrix> I have energy to do writy things today! And the attention span to focus on Inadeath! 13:17 < Aestrix> WOOOOO 13:18 < Andygal> did school eat you? 13:18 < Aestrix> Sort of, I technically had free time but I was out of spoons. 13:18 < Andygal> Know the feeling. 13:18 < Teceler> [hugs if wanted] 13:19 < Aestrix> And honestly there's no guarantee that my spoon reserves will be filled now, but I figure I should take advantage of it while I can 13:19 * Aestrix hugs. 13:22 < Aestrix> Hmm. I think I will start a new thread for Inadeath, because uh. Yeah. It feels weird to have Tyranny shift to something extremely Ina driven instead of Jinx driven like it had been. 13:22 < Xom> hi 13:22 < Aestrix> Hello! 13:22 < Xom> i'm watching a stream of wind waker chaos edition 13:39 -!- Sky has quit 13:45 < sigma> Oh hey looks like I forgot to quit when I went to bed 13:46 < Aestrix> <3 13:46 < Teceler> hello sigma 13:46 < Aestrix> Hello! 13:48 < sigma> Hi Teceler! Hi Aestrix! Hi all! 13:50 < sigma> Kappabeta, have I ever said thank you for worlds like daemons Midgard and creatures Nexus? They are great 13:50 <@kappabeta> <3 13:50 <@kappabeta> i am glad you enjoy them 13:55 < Xom> i agree with sigma 13:55 < Xom> or at least demo does 13:55 < Xom> something like that 13:55 < Xom> <3 13:56 < Andygal> daemon AUs are fun. 14:00 < sigma> Like if Spike is Twilight Sparkle's daemon? 14:00 < Andygal> pfffft 14:00 -!- sigma_ has joined #backstage 14:02 < sigma_> Now imagining a world where daemons are often toyline-sized ponies 14:03 -!- sigma has quit 14:03 -!- sigma_ is now known as sigma 14:05 < Xom> it is my headcanon that trapping a fairy from Visitor-like worlds in a bottle vassalizes it 14:05 < Xom> if you can find a large enough bottle 14:05 < sigma> Hehehe 14:07 < sigma> Ooh, what happens if you have a world where humans and some kinds of animals have daemons? 14:08 < sigma> Probably civilized countries do not allow the hunting of daemoned animals 14:09 < Xom> well especially if animal daemons can talk 14:10 < sigma> I'm imagining they just make appropriate animal sounds 14:10 < sigma> So if you hear a mouse barking, it's probably a dog's daemon 14:12 < sigma> If they talk that's interesting too! 14:17 < Evenstar> Oh hi it is a Kappabeta 14:17 < Aestrix> Hi, Evenstar! 14:17 < Evenstar> I believe people had questions about jokers ooh also an Aestrix 14:17 < Aestrix> If Kuvair is woken up, would he be willing to do an interview broadcasted to the world about how the Sunrise Empire's government is terrible? 14:17 <@kappabeta> hmmm? 14:18 < Aestrix> I mean I think he would, but I don't know how Jinx's madman affects him 14:18 < Evenstar> Aestrix: Actually he would be entirely lacking an ideology. 14:18 < Evenstar> Beholdening is creepy. 14:19 < Evenstar> In the absence of a genius Beholden just sort of parrot back other people's ideas. 14:19 < Aestrix> Because he is missing his Jinx? 14:19 < Evenstar> Yep. 14:19 < Aestrix> .... That is terrifying. 14:19 < Evenstar> Though any other Genius would work equally well. 14:19 < Evenstar> Which is even more terrifying. 14:19 < Evenstar> Basically Kuvair can't recall what it was like to have opinions or preferences anymore. 14:20 -!- MTC has quit 14:20 < Evenstar> (Though his type-A system is unaffected, he still has emotional reactions to things) 14:20 < Aestrix> .... That is terrifying. 14:20 < Evenstar> Yeah. 14:20 < Aestrix> Ina is going to sort of stare at him briefly, and then knock him out immediately again, because AAAAAAAA. 14:21 < Evenstar> Yeah that was Jinx's reaction. 14:21 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 14:21 <@Adelene> *snicker* 14:21 < Evenstar> Now she is looking for a way to get into WoD that won't kill her 14:21 < Xom> ugh someone please go to zot and find an amulet of clarity 14:22 < Evenstar> (This will take until Endovior appears again) 14:22 <@Adelene> *examines Lurker's things in relation to this* 14:22 < Evenstar> (Speed of ploooot) 14:22 < Aestrix> Pff 14:23 < sigma> I saw they can reason backwards a bit: he had a reason why the sky was green. 14:23 -!- FacelessDude has joined #backstage 14:23 < Evenstar> Yes. Basically the Genius tells them their opinion and then they justify it. 14:23 < Xom> now i must go to sleep even though it is 12:24 14:24 < Evenstar> Critical thinking faculties are otherwise unaffected. 14:24 <@Adelene> Lurker is somewhat inclined to put invisibility on the dude, if he's knocked out, to keep him out of whatever comes next - 'until he moves/is moved significantly from his current position' is a valid spell trigger. Unclear whether that might freak out Ina but I bet Lurker has some clues from her body language. 14:24 < Aestrix> Good night, Xom. :P 14:24 < Teceler> sleep well 14:24 < Andygal> have a nice nap? 14:24 < sigma> So if Jinx told him his government was terrible, he'd have some reasons why. 14:24 < Evenstar> (I would be willing to bet Esthfora could repair a Beholden though.) 14:24 < Evenstar> Sigma: Yep. 14:25 < Evenstar> They might be extremely thin reasons 14:25 < Aestrix> Ina's still not willing to use him xD 14:25 < Evenstar> but they would exist 14:25 < sigma> Idr if she did though. 14:25 < Aestrix> Because aaaa. 14:25 < Xom> good night aestrix, teceler, andygal 14:25 <@Adelene> Sleep well. 14:25 < Xom> maybe when i wake up i'll get to roll some dice for arkham 14:25 < sigma> Well one reason is the evil secret prison. That doesn't have to be very thin. 14:25 < Xom> good night adeline 14:26 <@Adelene> Aestrix, what clues does Lurker have re: Ina's inclination to freak out if the dude gets invisibiled once he's knocked out again? 14:27 < sigma> Would Esthfora though? I don't get the impression she'd undo, say, a Helm of Opposite Alignment. 14:27 < Evenstar> It is possible for Beholden to become no longer Beholden, under existing rules from WoD 14:27 < sigma> Because the person doesn't want it undone. 14:27 < Evenstar> Either because A: Their master tells them to do something horribly morally repellent and they refuse 14:27 < Evenstar> or B: They catalyze as Geniuses themselves 14:28 < Aestrix> Ina will find invisibiling him freaky and sort of go AAAAA at it, but ultimately decide that yes that is the best thing to do here 14:28 <@Adelene> That's not quite the question I'm trying to answer? 14:28 < Evenstar> Or just overcome it with will and time 14:28 <@Adelene> What does Lurker already know, is the question. 14:28 < Teceler> question is what Lurker can tell in advance about Ina's reaction, I think 14:28 < Aestrix> Oh 14:28 < Evenstar> "Stray beholden, however they appear, cannot recover Willpower until they have a master again. Worse, they gradually go insane as they lose the ability to make sense of the world." 14:28 < Aestrix> Uh 14:29 < Evenstar> "Every month, roll Intelligence + Resolve. Dramatic Failure: The stray goes completely insane and becomes catatonic, dying shortly thereafter. Failure: The stray takes a -1 penalty to all actions as he loses his ability to form connections and build a coherent view of the world. At -5, the stray goes insane as if a Dramatic Failure had been rolled." 14:29 < Evenstar> "Success: The stray remains stable. Exceptional Success: The stray reestablishes contact with the pattern-generating part of his mind. He is no longer beholden, and all penalties are removed." 14:29 < Evenstar> Basically Kuvair has a life expectancy of about a year or so without a Genius to guide him. 14:30 <@kappabeta> unless someone asks Esthfora to fix it 14:30 < Evenstar> Yep. 14:30 < sigma> But he might get lucky! 14:30 < Aestrix> Whatever her reaction is she will inform Lurker before she freaks out completely, and generally wants to keep him safe and will support an idea that will keep him safe 14:30 < Evenstar> I'm pretty sure this is a thing he would want Esthfora to fix. 14:30 < Aestrix> But Lurker should probably warn Ina before she invisibles him 14:31 <@Adelene> Without body langugage clues to one effect or another, Lurker isn't even going to assume it's safe to ask. 14:31 < sigma> "Reestablishes contact with the pattern-generating part of his mind" _does_ sound to me like something Esthfora could do. 14:31 < Evenstar> "Stray beholden are eager to find a genius to latch onto, even risking abusive and morally dubious relationships in exchange for being given a worldview again." 14:32 < Evenstar> In other words, if they could become unbeholden they would generally choose to. 14:32 <@Adelene> Ina being not freaked out about Lurker in particular being invisible might be enough of a clue, but I'm not sure that's actually the case here. 14:32 < Aestrix> She is sort of freaked out by it but sort of hardcore sucking it up 14:32 < Aestrix> And engrossing herself in her work 14:32 <@Adelene> Yeah. 14:32 <@Adelene> Hm. 14:33 <@Adelene> Let me reread, Lurker might know enough to know that 'if he moves, the effect will end' is likely to be useful. 14:33 < Aestrix> *nod* 14:36 -!- butcher has joined #backstage 14:36 < Teceler> ...Adelene I'm actually surprised that Esthfora doesn't let Lurker receive planar messages that she would want to and such 14:37 <@kappabeta> eh? 14:37 <@Adelene> I don't think it's actually been tried since she's had the protection. 14:37 * Teceler was reading bit of sendingscience 14:37 < Teceler> ah 14:37 * Teceler nods. 14:37 <@Adelene> And it would have been tried before. 14:38 <@Adelene> (I'm not sure Esthfora does the thing - the antimagic is not itself mind-affecting - but if she does, Lurker still doesn't know about it.) 14:39 < FacelessDude> ops 14:39 < FacelessDude> late hi everyon eo/ 14:39 < FacelessDude> how are things? 14:39 < Aestrix> Hello 14:40 < Teceler> hello 14:40 <@Adelene> o/ 14:41 <@Adelene> Yeah, I /think/ the only explanation of what's behind Ina's fear there happened via PM to Miles, so Lurker doesn't know it. 14:41 <@Adelene> (I haven't reread the whole thread, though.) 14:42 < Aestrix> *nod* 14:42 <@Adelene> And Ina doesn't, I think, know that Lurker can share. Lurker might offer if Ina is obviously trying to hide the guy, but probably not. 14:43 < Aestrix> She is not aware that Lurker can share 14:43 <@Adelene> *nod* 15:00 < butcher> Hi. 15:00 < Aestrix> Hello 15:00 <@Adelene> hi o/ 15:01 < butcher> I would like someone to witness the Ritual 15:01 <@Adelene> I was just looking at your latest glowfic post, and it's not terribly clear who's talking where for a lot of it. 15:01 < butcher> K, editing. 15:09 -!- MTC has quit 15:12 < butcher> Recompiled a little, split some paragraphs 15:14 <@Adelene> *looks* 15:15 < butcher> Say, Aestrix, I would like it if Rae went to Equestria and could use his godly senses to percieve Equestrian Magic as something that is kinda like everything being claimed by another god, except that he could still claim what he wants. The Equestrian Magic tries to make friends with him. 15:15 < Aestrix> Tries to make friends with him? 15:15 < Aestrix> In what way? 15:16 <@Adelene> (better, yes.) 15:16 < butcher> He can see it shifting and doing stuff, like it was a holy object by another god. And it's kinda like an excited puppy. 15:17 < butcher> And it tries to kinda communicate with him. 15:17 < Aestrix> How does it do that, though? 15:18 < Aestrix> I mean, if he's present and it's trying to communicate he will understand because gods cheat 15:18 < butcher> I want Equestrian Magic to play nice(tradesnark) with all kinds of other magic. 15:19 < butcher> Mh... 15:19 < butcher> that's nice. 15:20 -!- PDV has quit 15:20 <@Adelene> There is a chance that Lurker is going to start surveying other worlds one she gets back from Eclipse, depending on what else is on fire at the time. 15:21 < Aestrix> http://glowfic.dreamwidth.org/9755.html 15:21 <@Adelene> Equestria isn't a very logical place to start though. 15:21 < Aestrix> Space for Lurker thoughts if you want it, if not, I'll edit and continue 15:22 -!- sigma has quit 15:22 -!- sigma has joined #backstage 15:22 <@Adelene> reading 15:25 <@Adelene> Yeah, Lurker's continuing to be small and quiet. 15:26 -!- Kelsewhere has quit 15:28 < Aestrix> I will poke at the thread some more, but now I need to go recover spoons. Yay 15:28 < Teceler> luck? 15:28 <@Adelene> *hug* 15:28 < Teceler> [hugs if wanted] 15:28 < Aestrix> *hug* 15:28 < Aestrix> Thanks <3 15:29 < Aestrix> I'm okay, this is just highly Aestrix-energy intensive stuff xD 15:29 < Aestrix> Thus why I haven't touched it until now 15:29 < FacelessDude> (sorry for not paying attention, but... spoons?) 15:29 < Aestrix> Spoons is like. Energy/ability to do things 15:30 < FacelessDude> ah, good look with your spoon recovery then 15:30 < Aestrix> Thanks! 15:33 < sigma> Grow a spoon tree? 15:33 < Aestrix> Oh, if I could, I would have twelve. 15:34 < Aestrix> .... Actually, if I could grow spoon trees, I would be a millionaire, because I would sell the shit out of that. 15:34 <@Adelene> yyyyyup 15:34 < Aestrix> And jealously guard the secrets to growing spoon trees. 15:35 < FacelessDude> I feel it wouldnt as valuable without a knife tree and a fork tree 15:35 < Aestrix> And try very hard to revolutionize the spoon tree industry to make the spoons as inexpensive as possible so that everyone could have spoons. 15:35 < FacelessDude> or maybe just a spork and knife trees 15:35 < Aestrix> No one likes sporks. No one. 15:35 < FacelessDude> spoons for the people! 15:35 <@Adelene> Oh, hey, Tec. Speaking of Dyne, is is possible/useful to sleep in dilated simulspace? 15:35 < FacelessDude> LET THE SPOON REVOLUTION BEGIN! 15:35 -!- FacelessDude is now known as FacelessSpoon 15:35 < Aestrix> ... K then 15:36 -!- PDV has joined #backstage 15:36 < FacelessSpoon> sorry 15:36 < Aestrix> It's okay 15:36 < Aestrix> Hello 15:37 -!- sigma_ has joined #backstage 15:37 < FacelessSpoon> Hi PDV 15:37 < FacelessSpoon> and hi sigma o/ 15:37 < Aestrix> Hello 15:37 < FacelessSpoon> oh, double sigmas 15:37 < PDV> `\o 15:39 -!- sigma has quit 15:39 < FacelessSpoon> (kill your double) 15:40 < FacelessSpoon> urgh, I need a forum username for a character from Quinn 15:40 < FacelessSpoon> a book author 15:40 < FacelessSpoon> help? >.> 15:42 <@Adelene> ...wow. 15:42 <@Adelene> I'm reading about the Hugos 15:42 <@Adelene> and I'm not really sure how the Hugos work? But I'm kind of proud of it. 15:43 <@Adelene> > In the five categories that had only Puppy-provided nominees on the ballot—Best Novella, Best Short Story, Best Related Work, and Best Editor for Short and for Long Form—voters instead preferred “No Award.” 15:43 < FacelessSpoon> reading about the sad puppies something? 15:43 < FacelessSpoon> woah 15:44 <@Adelene> Yeah. 15:44 <@Adelene> The puppies' people got /none/ of the awards. 15:46 < PDV> not quite true 15:46 < PDV> Guardians of the Galaxy was on a Puppy slate 15:47 < PDV> but yeah, they were pretty soundly smacked down 15:47 -!- sigma_ is now known as sigma 15:47 < FacelessSpoon> huh, what are the odds that this puppies debacle will repeat itself next year? 15:47 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 15:47 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 15:47 < FacelessSpoon> hi sonata 15:47 <@Sonata> hi 15:47 < PDV> Lower than last week, presumably 15:49 <@Adelene> Hi Sonata! 15:49 <@Adelene> We have a couple more Dungeon magic questions. 15:49 < Aestrix> Hello 15:49 <@Adelene> Seem to be wrapping up though. 15:50 <@Sonata> in the other channel again? 15:51 -!- FacelessSpoon is now known as FacelessDude 15:52 <@Adelene> mmhmm 15:58 < FacelessDude> http://manyworlds.boards.net/thread/40/introduction-thread?page=24&scrollTo=5147 So I made that new character from quinn >.> 16:02 < Teceler> back 16:03 < Aestrix> Welcome back 16:03 < FacelessDude> Wibbles o/ 16:03 < Teceler> thanks 16:04 < Teceler> I noticed while brbing that one of our dogs really needed brushed, and made some progress on fixing that problem 16:04 <@Adelene> ...oh that was the thing I wanted to ask. Evenstar, how big are sending stones? I'm imagining like 3-4" on the longest diameter but Tec seemed to think they're bigger than that. 16:05 <@Adelene> *longest dimension 16:05 < Teceler> ...I was imagining egg-sized based on something Evenstar said 16:05 <@Adelene> Ok. 16:05 < Evenstar> I did actually say that! 16:05 <@Adelene> Tyche described them as 'bulky' which seems not the thing to me. 16:06 < Evenstar> Maybe bulky for Eclipse tech :P 16:06 < Teceler> bulky for eclipse tech for the thing they do, yeah XD 16:06 <@Adelene> *chuckles* ok. 16:07 < Teceler> (like, okay, it's reasonably-sized for a handheld thing, but why would you have that as a hand-held thing?) 16:07 <@Adelene> *giggle* 16:07 <@Adelene> Why, humans, why do you have hands. ^^ 16:07 < Teceler> /obviously/ it should be part of mesh inserts :P 16:08 <@Adelene> *chuckle* 16:11 < Evenstar> (Look, if /you/ had to build a system that was compatible with literally everyone, it might be a bit /bulky/ too) 16:11 < Teceler> (pffffft) 16:11 < Teceler> (okay fair) 16:12 < Teceler> ...by the way several of my characters want to know exactly how expensive Infinite Inventory Method is XD 16:15 < Evenstar> (It is fairly expensive despite the existence of many universes that support this sort of thing) 16:16 < Teceler> (because some universes don't?) 16:16 < Evenstar> (Because the issue is handling transfers between universes) 16:16 < Teceler> (ah) 16:16 < Evenstar> (If you're willing to stay in Eclipse for the rest of your life then they could reduce the price, but then if you ever got summoned somewhere the consequences could be ...messy. 16:16 < Evenstar> ) 16:17 < Teceler> (oh dear XD) 16:17 < Teceler> (...can't they make it stay in the one universe and wait for you to come back?) 16:17 < Evenstar> (Doing that securely is a bit of an issue) 16:17 < Teceler> (ah) 16:18 * Teceler nods. 16:18 < Evenstar> (Because it has to stay associated with a person who is not in the universe.) 16:18 < Teceler> (...heh. the association would probably be easier to transfer cross-universe than the inventory, though, I bet XD) 16:18 < Evenstar> (Yep.) 16:19 < Evenstar> (A literally infinite warehouse is even easier because they don't have to move the location around) 16:19 < Evenstar> (And then they could adjust it to take some form of ID) 16:19 * Teceler giggles. 16:19 * Teceler nods. 16:20 < Evenstar> (But it kind of lacks the utility of 'pick up the statue of liberty and put it in your pocket') 16:20 < Teceler> pffft 16:20 < Teceler> yeah 16:20 < Teceler> although you might be able to get something like that with bags of holding, if they're upgradable? 16:20 < Evenstar> (Note though that these spaces are generally hostile to life for one reason or another.) 16:20 < Teceler> (pfft) 16:20 < Evenstar> (They have physics that make biological processes difficult.) 16:20 -!- PDV has quit 16:21 < Teceler> (so you need a good way to access them) 16:21 < Evenstar> (It's one thing to make a universe that's ok to store things in, it's another to make one you can live in.) 16:21 < Teceler> (or possibly people sleeved in synthmorphs) 16:21 < Evenstar> (Some of the relevant universes simply might not support consciousness.) 16:21 * Teceler nods. 16:21 <@Sonata> ...that's creepy 16:22 <@Sonata> like, the universe supports computation but not qualia? 16:22 <@Sonata> so infomorphs that go there become p-zombies? 16:22 < Evenstar> P-zombies, P-zombies everywhere. 16:22 < Teceler> Eclipse: [objects to this] 16:22 < Teceler> Eclipse: [fixes that when they return] 16:23 < Evenstar> (Or it simply doesn't support electricity) 16:23 < Evenstar> (and/or electromagnetism) 16:23 < Evenstar> (Which I will admit could have interesting effects on objects you stored in it) 16:23 < Teceler> ...so what happens if you put computers in there? 16:23 < Teceler> heh 16:23 < Teceler> yeah 16:23 < Evenstar> (But OTC can store objects as ontologically basic things) 16:23 <@Sonata> I feel like customers would object if stuff broke when they put it in their inventory. 16:23 < Evenstar> (See Dungeon.) 16:24 < Teceler> XD 16:24 < Evenstar> (This naturally has some issues when you do it to people due to resolution loss :P) 16:25 < Teceler> ...I assume the OTC has safeties to /stop you from doing that/? 16:25 < Teceler> ... 16:25 < Evenstar> (Put in your friend bob who is a half-orc who fights a lot, get back 'Bob, CE Neutral Evil Barbarian") 16:25 < Teceler> what happens if you put a backup in one of those? 16:25 < Evenstar> Yes. 16:25 < Teceler> do you lose data stored on computers in general? 16:25 < Evenstar> Well, OTC-wards will stop you from being loaded from it if you would be reincarnated in the nasty universe 16:25 <@Sonata> (I assume 'CE Neutral Evil' is a thinko?) 16:25 < Evenstar> But the backup should be ok. 16:25 < Evenstar> Sonata: I meant 'half-orc' lol 16:25 < Teceler> okay 16:26 < Teceler> (/such weirdness/ XD) 16:26 < Evenstar> You can think of it as 'OTC has efficient compression algorithms which are lossy, but not lossy enough to make any difference for most household objects' 16:27 < Teceler> and they are lossy more to running things that inert ones? 16:27 < Evenstar> 'Do not use on people or really delicate machines.' 16:27 < Evenstar> Teceler: Yep. 16:27 < Teceler> ... Eclipse: [squints at] 16:28 < Evenstar> (That is one way to think of it, at least.) 16:30 < Evenstar> (Like, I expect that if you put an Alethiometer in OTC-Storage you might accidentally break it) 16:30 < Teceler> ...pfft 16:30 < Evenstar> (Though lack-of-dust might preserve it.) 16:31 < Evenstar> Oh also Kappabeta I never talked to you about Joker candidates 16:31 < Evenstar> Do you exist? 16:31 <@kappabeta> yeah, what were the joker questions? 16:32 < Evenstar> Sonata thought that Jack-of-Smiles in Fallen London might be a Joker candidate. 16:32 <@kappabeta> ...Hah. 16:32 <@kappabeta> Interesting. 16:32 < Teceler> (kappa do you know relevant spoilers?) 16:32 <@kappabeta> I have played enough FL to recognize the name 16:33 <@Sonata> He seems more like an OriginalFlavor!Joker than a Kappa!Joker to me, but 16:33 <@kappabeta> I am not spoiler-averse at all with FL though 16:33 < Teceler> #spoilers? 16:33 < Evenstar> Also I recalled that Jinx is canonically inspired by the Joker, so I gave her Joker-pain-affect but not the full Self-defining thing. 16:33 < Evenstar> (Hope you don't mind) 16:33 < Evenstar> #spoilers 16:34 <@kappabeta> Jinx with a Jokery relationship to pain is cute, I don't mind at all. 16:35 < Evenstar> (Yay!) 16:36 * FacelessDude yawns 16:36 < FacelessDude> I keep falling asleep 16:36 < FacelessDude> how are thing again? 16:54 -!- butcher has quit 16:58 < Aestrix> I have begun clawing my way at Inadeath again. Woooo. 16:58 < Aestrix> Clawing 16:58 <@kappabeta> <3 16:59 < Aestrix> <3 16:59 <@Sonata> wooo 16:59 < Aestrix> .... 16:59 < Aestrix> Yep no I am out of claws for now, I managed a bit more. xD 16:59 <@Adelene> ^^ 17:00 <@kappabeta> <3 17:05 < FacelessDude> try use sporks the next time. 17:39 <@kappabeta> oh btw evenstar, has Kumi been rescued from wherever world yet? 17:39 <@kappabeta> if you like you may declare that Cordelia gated her home offscreen; this is the sort of thing Cordelia would do 17:39 <@kappabeta> and I only didn't offer because I was behind on reading the forum 17:42 -!- FacelessDude has quit 17:58 < Evenstar> Kappabeta: Kumi is calming down now that she's been told that they have someone who can see invisibility. 17:58 <@kappabeta> who have what? 17:59 < Evenstar> (Imperceptible terrible people freaked out Kumi.) 17:59 <@kappabeta> imperceptible terrible people are freaky\ 17:59 < Evenstar> (It turns out that Lagakima can see the imperceptible terrible people, or should be able to.) 17:59 < Evenstar> (Kumi is therefore less freaked out now.) 18:00 <@kappabeta> well then, assume that offscreen Cordelia offered and Kumi turned her down XD 18:00 < Evenstar> (Sure, works :P) 18:00 <@kappabeta> <3 18:01 < Evenstar> I wonder where Endovior went. 18:02 < Evenstar> Hm. Until Endo shows up again, I suppose I should ask what other worlds have aggressively terrible governments. 18:02 < Evenstar> (Aside from Night Vale.) 18:03 < Aestrix> Pfff 18:05 < sigma> I don't think of M2's world that way, but opinions might vary 18:05 -!- Faceless_weirdo has joined #backstage 18:06 < Faceless_weirdo> hello 18:06 < Teceler> ...arguably Correspondance 18:06 < Teceler> hello Faceless 18:06 < Aestrix> Hello 18:06 < sigma> Spider Zone world has one but they're pretty far away and none of the spiders have met them 18:07 < Evenstar> Ha 18:07 < Evenstar> I can just /imagine/ Jinx joining the Anarchists 18:07 < Evenstar> She would be... dangerously effective 18:10 < sigma> She's gathered herself enough power to be dangerously effective at lots of things. 18:11 < Teceler> ...gah 18:11 <@kappabeta> gah? 18:11 < Teceler> Eclipse has a bunch of Terrible Governments around, but that hasn't shown up very much 18:11 < sigma> Equalest would like you to know that the government in his world is terrible 18:11 < Aestrix> Snrk 18:11 < Teceler> you mean FL Anarchists, right, Evenstar? 18:14 < sigma> Equalest would also be unhappy with Esmaar, so. 18:15 < Aestrix> Heh. 18:15 < Aestrix> Well, I need to use this computer for rendering, so I am going to head out 18:15 < sigma> Magocracies. 18:15 <@Adelene> *hug* 18:15 < Teceler> good luck 18:15 < sigma> Happy rendering! 18:15 < Aestrix> Rendering doesn't really require luck, but thanks :P 18:15 < Aestrix> ... I say that, as I immediately think of all of the ways I could be hit with bad luck. 18:15 < Teceler> I mean, it feels like the kind of thing where you want it to come out as expected XD 18:16 < Teceler> like compiling code 18:16 < Aestrix> Nevermind, thank you for the luck, I will require it 18:16 < Aestrix> Yeah it is 18:16 <@kappabeta> <3 <3 <3 18:16 < Aestrix> But I did test renders first 18:16 < Teceler> [hugs?] 18:16 < Aestrix> *hugs* 18:16 < Teceler> that's useful 18:16 < Aestrix> Yep! 18:16 < Aestrix> Anyway! 18:16 < Aestrix> Bye <3 18:16 -!- Aestrix has left #backstage 18:17 -!- Kelsewhere has joined #backstage 18:32 -!- sigma has quit 18:32 -!- sigma has joined #backstage 19:01 < sigma> Evenstar, how is mainstream porn so boring 19:01 < Evenstar> Teceler: Yep 19:01 < Teceler> ...? 19:01 < Evenstar> Sigma: ... The hint's in the 'mainstream' bit 19:01 < Evenstar> Teceler: I meant FL anarchists 19:01 < Teceler> ah 19:01 < Teceler> that was kind of a belated response XD 19:01 < Evenstar> yep 19:02 < Evenstar> lol 19:02 < Teceler> ...[eyes {SPOILERS}] [coughs] 19:02 < Evenstar> Yeeeeaaaah. 19:03 * Teceler eyes Jinx. 19:04 < Teceler> ...if you want to dump her on the Zee somewhere to play at that that might be okay? But please do not put her in London or in contact with the Revolutionaries XD 19:04 < Andygal> that would be a bad idea. 19:05 <@kappabeta> more spoilers? 19:05 < Teceler> Andygal: hm? 19:05 <@kappabeta> i desire these spoilers 19:05 < Teceler> yeah let's take this to #spoilers 19:05 < Andygal> Letting Jinx near Revolutionaries. 19:05 * Teceler nods. 19:37 < Evenstar> Aestrix 19:37 < Evenstar> ... Has stopped existing 19:37 < Evenstar> >.> 19:37 <@kappabeta> she went to go render a thing, i believe 19:37 < Andygal> Aestrix is a homeworkstrix at the moment I think. 19:37 < Evenstar> Ah I see. 19:38 * Evenstar is considering a Pantheon!Astra 19:38 <@kappabeta> ...pff 19:38 < Teceler> ... 19:38 < Andygal> ... 19:38 < Andygal> Plague goddess isn't really her style? 19:39 < Evenstar> "I'm a goddess of Destruction. Don't run away, I promise I'm nice." 19:39 < Teceler> pffffffffft 19:39 <@kappabeta> XDDDDDDDDDDDD 19:39 < Andygal> XDXDXD 19:39 <@kappabeta> i feel like image concerns would kind of force her to... benignify 19:40 < Evenstar> Astra likes being a goddess of Destruction! It's accurate and it has teeth in it. 19:40 <@kappabeta> I mean, yes, but hm 19:40 < Evenstar> But she could be convinced to be a goddess of Endings for PR purposes. 19:41 <@kappabeta> It seems like for the most part, the culture of Arabek is such that there's space for [destructive god, gains followers by intimidation] and [nondestructive god, gains followers by positive-sum interactions] and not really for things that fall outside that binary 19:41 <@kappabeta> I mean I could be wrong 19:41 <@kappabeta> I'm sure there's grey areas 19:42 < Evenstar> [destructive god, gains followers by negative-sum interactions that have a net positive effect for /her/ followers] 19:42 < Evenstar> Astra takes a policy of 'I protect me and mine' 19:42 <@kappabeta> I mean, yes, like, things, words 19:43 < Andygal> I get the impression there are *lots* more gods than we've seen. 19:43 < Andygal> so like, sample size issue? 19:44 * kappabeta wobbles vaguely 19:47 < Evenstar> (The real issue I think is that Astra's power is kind of broad-spectrum for Arabek) 19:47 <@kappabeta> yeah, arabek is like... 19:47 <@kappabeta> There's a kind of very particular aesthetic for ~how gods work~ 19:48 < Teceler> and transitioning Astra to that framework would be... tricky 19:48 < Teceler> *? 19:48 <@kappabeta> It's pretty flexible within its constraints, but Astra does not fall within those constraints, at least not to start with 19:49 < Evenstar> (Alternately, Eva!Goddess would be interesting) 19:49 < Teceler> ...pfft 19:49 <@kappabeta> what would eva be like? 19:49 < Teceler> what would her acolyte power be? 19:50 < Evenstar> Well, Eva would be a Goddess of Interestingness basically :P 19:51 < sigma> Do you suppose god Xan and his acolytes can manifest sourceless human blood? 19:51 < Evenstar> I have a feeling her acolyte power would be either useful for travel or artistry 19:51 < Evenstar> Flight might make sense, but it's kind of already taken. :P 19:52 < Teceler> pft 19:52 <@kappabeta> I mean, there's more than one god on the planet whose acolyte power is flight, I'm pretty sure. 19:52 < Evenstar> True! 19:52 < Andygal> Maybe Eva would like to be original? 19:52 < Evenstar> now I'm wishing I could find that god-generator again 19:53 < Teceler> ...moment 19:53 < Evenstar> (got it) 19:53 < Teceler> pft 19:53 < Evenstar> Hmm. A sensory power would make a lot of sense. 19:53 < Evenstar> (ory) 19:53 < Teceler> pfft, oh, I bet most of her blessings are sensory 19:54 < Evenstar> I think 'perfect pitch' is just obvious 19:54 < Evenstar> ... And now I'm thinking about BioChromatic Breath 19:54 <@kappabeta> eh? 19:54 < Teceler> ? 19:54 < Andygal> an "Interesting things are about to happen thataway" sense? 19:54 < Andygal> Warbreaker! 19:55 < Andygal> Its availible free! 19:55 < Evenstar> ^^ 19:55 < Evenstar> Warbreaker! 19:55 < Evenstar> It's by Brandon Sanderson! 19:55 < Andygal> It's awesome! 19:55 < Evenstar> (I'm tempted to make an account as Nightblood) 19:55 < Andygal> ahahahaahah 19:55 < Andygal> that would be hilarious. 19:56 < Evenstar> (Are they evil?) 19:56 < Andygal> (would you like to destroy some evil?) 19:57 <@kappabeta> i definitely do not understand what you are talking about 19:58 < Andygal> Nightblood is a sapient sword that was created to "destroy evil", unfortunately being a sword it doesn't really understand what evil is. 20:06 < sigma> Heh. 20:08 -!- Kelsewhere is now known as Kel 20:08 < Kel> hi 20:08 < Teceler> Kel! 20:08 < Kel> (sorry) 20:08 < Andygal> http://brandonsanderson.com/warbreaker-introduction/ 20:08 < Andygal> Hi Kel 20:08 < Kel> Hi! 20:09 < Andygal> what are you apologizing for? 20:09 < Teceler> (what are you apologzing for?) 20:09 < Teceler> pft 20:09 < Kel> (I would probably have been back earlier if I were more efficient at homework and also remembering to do things) 20:09 < Teceler> [hugs] 20:09 < Kel> [hugs] 20:21 < Kel> brb 20:25 < Teceler> brb 20:27 < Kel> bk 20:28 < Andygal> wb 20:29 < Teceler> bk 20:29 < Andygal> wb 20:29 < Kel> rhx 20:29 < Kel> *thx 20:45 -!- Sky has joined #backstage 20:45 < Teceler> hello Sk 20:45 < Teceler> *Sky 20:45 < Sky> Hi 20:46 < Andygal> Hey 20:48 < Kel> Hi! 21:24 < sigma> Sonata, Mother Starlight moved the blessings to the magic thread, but as far as we've heard IC, blessings are mundane. 21:25 <@Sonata> I thought someone said magic *checks* 21:25 <@Sonata> "Oh, I should explain about the Primes? Or I should explain them in the thread about magic?" 21:25 <@Sonata> ...eh 21:26 <@Sonata> maybe better to keep the whole conversation together anyway 21:26 <@Sonata> ...uuuugh 21:26 < Andygal> I kind of got the impresion that the blessings are in fact magic. Because divination and stuff. 21:26 < Teceler> yeah, but ic vs ooc 21:27 < sigma> "You can draw blessings to foretell the future." Could be magic, but makes me want a tarot-and-horoscope person to come insist that plain Earth is magic too. 21:28 <@Sonata> I think it's a plausible misreading at least, and if there turns out to be a significant separate conversation-thread about blessings/elements then MS can split. 21:28 * Andygal tries to decide whether Singer's world does future-divination type magic. 21:28 <@Sonata> *rephrases MS's 'I moved it' post slightly* 21:30 < sigma> Satisfactory. Thanks. 21:30 < sigma> Unsure why it sinks tho. 21:31 < sigma> Shouldn't MS's post bump it to the top? 21:32 * Andygal decides no, not as such. 21:33 < Andygal> straight future divination kind of vaguely offends my asthetics? 21:33 <@Sonata> MS's post originally said "moving now" not "done", in the intro thread; got moved with the others. 21:33 <@Sonata> so no actual recent posts directly to magic. 21:35 < sigma> Well it can be bumped by the explanation of primes, or by the first division skeptic. 21:36 < sigma> Divination 21:36 -!- Verdancy has joined #backstage 21:36 < Kel> Hi! 21:36 < Verdancy> Hi, everyone. 21:36 < Verdancy> Hi Kel! 21:36 < Teceler> hello Verdancy! 21:36 < Andygal> HII! 21:36 < sigma> Hi Verdancy! 21:36 < Verdancy> Hi everybody! 21:36 < Andygal> the Elemental Blessings person has shown up. 21:37 < sigma> Verdancy, we were going to talk potion supply shopping with Evenstar. 21:37 < Verdancy> oh, cool, okay 21:37 < Verdancy> (I'm sorry I wasn't here earlier, I had a not-so-good brain day but then I adulted /really hard/.) 21:37 < Kel> [hug?] 21:38 < Teceler> ([hugs if wanted]) 21:38 < Verdancy> *hugs* 21:38 < Verdancy> *hugs* 21:38 < Verdancy> Who is the elemental blessings person? 21:38 < sigma> (Congratulations on adulting really hard?) 21:38 < Verdancy> I think I remember someone talking about it but I can't remember who 21:38 < Verdancy> Sigma: Thanks! :) 21:38 -!- Faceless_weirdo has quit 21:39 < Teceler> Evenstar: Did Niryl get their minting kits? 21:40 < sigma> Who will be skeptical of divination? Eskay can do it, but somebody else can probably do it more interesting. 21:40 < Kel> um. If we wanted to be completely ridiculous, Cloaked could? 21:40 < Kel> but that might derail things 21:41 < sigma> (Unless everyone else on the forum is so inured to the strange that they don't scoff at future predicting) 21:41 < Teceler> ...pfft 21:41 < Kel> hm 21:42 < Teceler> do I want to know what she would say? 21:42 < Kel> we haven't decided for sure yet 21:42 < Teceler> ? 21:42 < Evenstar> Teceler: Yes 21:42 < Kel> but probably something about how weird time is 21:42 < Teceler> ...ha 21:42 < Evenstar> They did get their kit 21:42 < Evenstar> also Verdancy you exist now sorry 21:42 < Teceler> Evenstar: okay good to know 21:43 < Verdancy> I do! There is no need to apologize. 21:43 < Verdancy> I mean. Possibly I am a /third/ uplifted copy of winrar. 21:43 < Teceler> XD 21:43 < Verdancy> Apparently I have not entirely worn out that joke! :D 21:43 < Kel> XD 21:44 < Teceler> Evenstar: do we need to work out actual fire-management strategies re: the OTC and Eaten? 21:44 < Evenstar> Teceler: Good question 21:44 < Kel> oh I need to update plantalogue, but it is a lot easier to write in English class without distractions 21:44 < Evenstar> I am kind of tempted to sic Jinx and the OTC on Nyril's poor world and see who destroys it first 21:45 < Verdancy> omg Evenstar 21:45 < Teceler> ... 21:45 < Teceler> no that ruins our plot :P 21:45 < Evenstar> Okay :P 21:45 < Verdancy> Maybe later? 21:46 < Kel> AUs? Sandboxen? 21:46 <@Sonata> ^- yes please 21:46 < Verdancy> hee 21:46 < Evenstar> I need more sandboxen in general 21:46 < Evenstar> So this is a good idea! 21:46 < Kel> ohgod I haven't lanterntagged in I think more than a week 21:46 <@kappabeta> ...you guys, my brain just went "Leaf in the FLverse" 21:46 < Teceler> Kel: [hugs] 21:47 < Teceler> ... 21:47 < Teceler> ... 21:47 < Teceler> ... 21:47 < Verdancy> pfffffft 21:47 < Evenstar> (Incidentally, there is an Evafork in the FLverse already) 21:47 <@Sonata> Possible mitigation strategy: {Mr Eaten: There will be a reckoning. OTC: Would you like some help with that? Mr Eaten: No thank you, I've got it handled.} 21:47 < Verdancy> (hugs for Kel iff wanted) 21:47 < Evenstar> (Well, an evatemplate) 21:47 < Teceler> (heh) 21:47 < Evenstar> (hee) 21:47 < Verdancy> EVARYWHERE 21:47 <@kappabeta> heeeeeeeeeeee 21:47 < Teceler> (Do you want that to be a thing in the mwf!version?) 21:47 < Evenstar> Heeeeee 21:47 < Teceler> Sonata: hmmmmm 21:48 <@kappabeta> the most natural purple template to stick in the FLverse is of course a Sherlock. 21:48 <@kappabeta> But like. a miles. oh my god. oh my god 21:48 < Teceler> XD 21:48 < sigma> Verdancy, Evenstar, can burningbright or perhaps Lizzie just ask to buy a Ka meter and minting kit? 21:48 < Evenstar> (Well, Evas tend to do an interesting thing when they meet each other and have appropriate kinds of magic) 21:48 < Evenstar> Sigma: Yep! 21:48 < Verdancy> I was literally just about to do that 21:48 < Teceler> (...do I want to know?) 21:48 < Teceler> (:P) 21:49 < Verdancy> She is going to make absolutely no secret whatsoever of the fact that she plans to use it to cheat blatantly at Ka 21:49 < Evenstar> (Evas tend to merge forks) 21:49 < Evenstar> (Because all of them want to know what their other selves have been up to) 21:49 < Verdancy> hee 21:50 < Evenstar> (Because 'an other me is guaranteed to have had an interesting life') 21:50 < sigma> Like those friendly blob people who trade with the Organization? 21:50 < Verdancy> (Lizzie is going to PM Ahrotahn first, though, to make sure that she's okay with Lizzie using her donated Takkarash to buy a Ka minting kit) 21:50 < Evenstar> Sigma: Sort of! 21:52 < sigma> As authors, we've seen Eva tell Lady Death that she's not only tolerant by encouraging of attempts to arbitrage in general and crash Ka in particular. 21:52 < sigma> Not only tolerant, but outright encouraging of, 21:53 < Andygal> <3 21:53 < Evenstar> Teceler: I expect that if there was an Eva in the WMF!FLverse she's already been merged into Over!Eva 21:53 < sigma> Lizzie's household haven't seen that yet. 21:53 < Verdancy> Also Lizzie is really paranoid 21:54 < Teceler> Evenstar: ...and what implications does that have? 21:55 < sigma> It implies Over!Eva knows a lot about MWF!FLverse. 21:55 <@Sonata> Evenstar, just saw your intriguing PM. Should we DW this? 21:55 < Evenstar> That implies that Eva has a set of her personal history that is her-in-Fallen-London. 21:55 * Teceler nods. 21:55 < Teceler> that part I got 21:55 < Evenstar> (Eva's past is literally multiple choice) 21:55 < Teceler> (pffffffft) 21:55 < sigma> Potentially enough to know something about Niryl's situation? 21:56 * Sonata head-pronounces MWF!FLverse as Moofleverse 21:56 < Evenstar> That Eva would not have been a Person of Some Importance but would know some little about the Correspondence. 21:56 * Evenstar laughs at the moofleverse. 21:56 < sigma> Certainly enough to know something about Niryl's trade goods. 21:56 < Teceler> I think I decided to call it Correspondence 21:57 < Evenstar> sigma: Yep. 21:57 < Verdancy> pfft moofleverse 21:57 < Evenstar> That Eva would have been a thief and confidence woman until she went mad and ended up in Parabola. 21:58 < Evenstar> (Whereupon she encountered an Over!Eva visiting the Fingerkings) 21:58 < Evenstar> (And was merged in voluntarily) 21:58 < Evenstar> (Because Fallen London is terrible.) 21:59 < sigma> With Sonata here, we should be able to find out quickly if a Ka meter and kit is an Ahrotahn-approved purchase. 21:59 <@Sonata> The answer is yes. 21:59 < sigma> Phonetically speaking, merged in voluntarily sounds perilously close to merged involuntarily. 22:00 -!- PDV has joined #backstage 22:00 < PDV> `\o 22:00 < Andygal> sigma: pffffft 22:00 < Verdancy> yay 22:00 < Teceler> hm 22:00 -!- Verdancy has left #backstage 22:00 < Teceler> hello PDV 22:00 < Teceler> ... 22:00 <@Sonata> The long answer is "I trust you to know best where the money can do the most good." 22:00 < Evenstar> Sonata: This makes sense as a thing to sandbox! 22:01 <@Sonata> You start? 22:01 -!- Verdancy has joined #backstage 22:01 <@Sonata> (I'm imagining you'll post your thing and I'll comment my thing and we'll go from there.) 22:01 < Verdancy> oops 22:01 * Teceler pastes to Verdancy 22:01 < Andygal> <Teceler> hello PDV 22:01 < Andygal> [20:00] <Teceler> ... 22:01 < Andygal> [20:00] <@Sonata> The long answer is "I trust you to know best where the money can do the most good." 22:01 < Andygal> [20:00] <Evenstar> Sonata: This makes sense as a thing to sandbox! 22:01 < Andygal> [20:01] <@Sonata> You start? 22:01 < Andygal> oops. 22:01 < Evenstar> Sonata: Alright! 22:01 < Verdancy> Thanks! 22:01 < Verdancy> It is fine 22:02 < Teceler> Evenstar: so, questions here include, did she ever encounter the Name 22:02 < Andygal> I hope Eva has the sense to run the other way from the Name. 22:03 < Teceler> it doesn't actually seem that scary to /start/ with... 22:04 < Verdancy> Eva has lots of experience, though! 22:05 < Evenstar> Eva had heard of Northridden people and considered the possiblity but never attempted to Seek. 22:05 < Evenstar> (Over!Eva might spin off a self for that eventually.) 22:05 < Teceler> (pfffft) 22:06 < Teceler> okay, how does this affect the OTC re: Eaten? 22:06 < PDV> ooh yay Fallen London! 22:07 < PDV> I never managed to convince my character to seek the Name. The Masters offered him nice things to avoid it, and he refused. 22:09 < Teceler> pft 22:10 <@Sonata> Don't those two sentences mean opposite things? 22:10 < Teceler> I think that's 'refused to Seek' 22:10 < PDV> Hmm. Yes, poor phrasing. 22:11 < PDV> He refused to Seek when the alternative was accepting large amounts of Favored By The Masters of The Bazaar. 22:13 < sigma> "unless it's possible for me to discover these things on my own." Now imagining MWF if it were designed with cave-culture norms. All with sprinkling setting info through your posts, and hiding big things in puzzles 22:13 < Kel> (don't know what to say again) 22:14 < sigma> And, of course, providing hint-throughs where possible, for whatever's not a real secret. 22:14 <@Sonata> (~!~) 22:15 < Kel> ... that sounds really cool and fun 22:15 * Kel wishes better at that kind of thing 22:15 < sigma> Ahrotahn is like a mini outpost of this, though without the puzzles. 22:16 < Kel> ... 22:16 * Kel is getting more desire to introduce vaguely puzzly world 22:16 < Kel> (except for lack of clear character ideas, vague magic system) 22:16 * Teceler distracts Kel? 22:16 < Kel> ok? 22:16 < Kel> at what? 22:17 < Evenstar> Fallen London has cave-culture norms sort of :P 22:17 < Teceler> hm? 22:17 < Andygal> although this is largely because knowing too many secrets will drive you insane. 22:18 < sigma> That's a good reason to help people control their secret intake 22:19 < sigma> Hey, is this a good time to describe my idea for a courier service? 22:19 <@Sonata> sure 22:20 < Kel> yes 22:20 < Kel> curiosity 22:22 < sigma> Ok, the courier has a spell for moving things around. But it doesn't send to a person, it has to swap things. 22:23 < Evenstar> Sonata: Thread's been started on Glowfic! 22:24 < Kel> (trickster?) 22:24 <@Sonata> eee 22:24 <@Sonata> How does the courier specify which things to swap? 22:24 <@Sonata> how much info do they need? 22:24 < sigma> It can swap any two specified things that match with two or more of its "equilibrators". 22:26 < Kel> categories? 22:26 -!- sigma_ has joined #backstage 22:26 <@Sonata> what qualifies as "match"? and I mean, how much do I have to tell the courier in order for them to be able to target the right thing? 22:26 < Kel> (categories?) 22:27 < Kel> (of equilibrator?) 22:27 <@Sonata> Evenstar, tag 22:27 -!- sigma has quit 22:29 < sigma_> One simple equilibrator is the mass equilibrator, for swapping two objects of the same mass. 22:29 -!- sigma_ is now known as sigma 22:29 < Kel> ((cold brb sweater)) 22:29 * Verdancy hopes it is a snuggly sweater 22:29 < Kel> ((nvm, /time/ Pjs)) 22:29 < Kel> y 22:29 <@Sonata> And the things have to match according to at least two different equilibrators? 22:29 < Verdancy> yay! 22:29 < Teceler> oh, Evenstar, if the OTC sends Niryl her minting kits but doesn't respond re: trade goods, she will stop poking them about that 22:30 < Teceler> but I don't think that's actually what we're after here XD 22:31 < sigma> Sonata, yes. 22:34 < sigma> (The caveat of the mass equilibrator is it checks matter mass and magic mass separately, which usually means it can't swap magic things.) 22:34 < Teceler> (pfft) 22:35 < Evenstar> tag, Sonata 22:36 < sigma> A more complex equilibrator is the English rhyme equilibrator, for swapping two objects given English names which have the same cadence and rhyme, like "a paperclip" and "a sailing ship". 22:36 < Teceler> pffft 22:36 <@kappabeta> i shall go to bed now 22:36 < Verdancy> pfffffft 22:36 <@kappabeta> goodnight friends 22:36 < Teceler> do they have letter-removers? 22:36 < Teceler> :P 22:36 < Verdancy> Good night! 22:36 < Teceler> goodnight kappa 22:36 < Teceler> sleep well 22:37 -!- kappabeta has left #backstage 22:37 <@Sonata> Evenstar, the cat isn't obviously hissing and screaming and running away? Or obviously injured, diseased, or starving? 22:38 < Evenstar> Neither of the above. 22:38 < Teceler> (or starveling? :P) 22:38 < Evenstar> It appears to be a cat. 22:38 <@Sonata> (and there aren't really tables in the Watcher's Pub, maybe edit to 'bench'? 22:39 < Teceler> (...also who sent Ahrotahn a catbox? :P) 22:39 <@Sonata> ~it is a mystery~ 22:39 <@Sonata> ) 22:39 < Evenstar> (okay) 22:40 < Andygal> eva, sonata: link? 22:40 <@Sonata> https://glowfic.dreamwidth.org/10051.html 22:40 < Teceler> http://glowfic.dreamwidth.org/10051.html 22:41 <@Sonata> Evenstar, tag 22:41 < Kel> ... guess who forgot to english homework 22:41 < Verdancy> oh no 22:41 * Verdancy offers hugs 22:41 < Kel> [hugs] 22:41 < Teceler> [hugs] 22:41 < Verdancy> *hugs* 22:42 < Andygal> *hug* 22:42 < Verdancy> Um. I used to do a lot of English homework. Is there any way I could help? 22:42 < Kel> p not 22:42 < Kel> it was reading 22:42 * Verdancy nods 22:42 < Verdancy> yeah 22:42 < Kel> I'm not going to do it either tonight 22:42 < Verdancy> I didn't think so, but I thought I'd offer anyway 22:42 < Verdancy> Sleep is important. 22:43 -!- PDV is now known as PDVanished 22:44 < Kel> I am not going to read about real people dying like that before going to bed 22:44 < Kel> Maybe I will finish it tomorrow 22:44 < Teceler> ... [/hugs/] 22:44 < Kel> or tell the teacher I read it in the future and maybe he will think that's funny and it will work 22:44 < Kel> or just make stuff up 22:44 < Verdancy> wow. 22:44 < Kel> [hugs] 22:44 * Verdancy offers hugs 22:45 < Verdancy> I am sorry you have to read about people dying. 22:45 < Kel> p much ok with fictional people but not real 22:47 < Verdancy> yeah. 22:47 < Verdancy> I hope you pajamas are snuggly and that you sleep well and that your teacher is not mean about it. 22:47 < Kel> thanks 22:47 < Verdancy> *your pajamas 22:47 < Verdancy> :) 22:47 < Kel> pjs are warm 22:48 < Kel> room heated for actually sleeping 22:48 < Teceler> sleep well Kel 22:48 < Verdancy> That's good. :) 22:48 < Andygal> sleep well Kel. 22:48 < sigma> Oh no, are you studying one of those "ethnic people dying horribly" units? 22:48 < Kel> not exact 22:49 < Kel> slaughterhouse 5 22:49 < Verdancy> ...Kel are you actually going to be a kelsleep or is this premature? 22:49 < Kel> actually going to 22:49 < Verdancy> oh, okay 22:49 < Verdancy> Good night, then. 22:49 -!- Kel is now known as Kelsleep 22:49 * Kelsleep transforms 22:49 < Verdancy> hee 22:49 < Teceler> pfft 22:49 < Verdancy> Sleep well. 22:49 < Kelsleep> thanks 22:49 < Teceler> [more hugs, just in case] 22:50 < sigma> Good night! 22:50 < Kelsleep> goodnight 22:50 < Teceler> good night 22:50 < Kelsleep> [appreciation][warmfuzz][hugs] (.. keep refocusing bckstage around self, should prune when more brain) 22:51 < Verdancy> ?? 22:51 * Verdancy sends Kelsleep warm feelings 22:51 <@Sonata> [warmhugs] 22:51 < Teceler> [warmfuzz] 22:51 * Verdancy does not mind Kel talking about herself in backstage at all 22:51 < Teceler> that, yeah 22:53 -!- PDVanished is now known as PDV 22:53 -!- Kelsleep has quit 22:58 < sigma> Those two equilibrators are enough to send an item, but there's a failure chance 22:59 < sigma> You might instead get some other multiversal object matching your equilibrator. 23:00 < Sky> that sounds potentially highly problematic! 23:00 < sigma> If you can specify a third equilibrator, the failure chance is reduced (and the magic is also cheaper). 23:01 < sigma> Also, sometimes the things you want to swap don't rhyme, or aren't the same mass. So there are other equilibrators. 23:02 < Teceler> Eclipse: [would like swapped objects to always be the same mass] 23:02 < Verdancy> hee 23:03 < Evenstar> tag, sonata 23:04 < sigma> Another English one is the Scrabble equilibrator, which can swap two objects by English names whose Scrabble point values match. 23:05 < Sky> how creative can one get when naming these things? 23:07 < sigma> Have you read Homestuck? If you have, then you can think of something called a "hash map fetch modus". 23:07 < Teceler> English one: Anagrammer? :P 23:07 -!- Sonata has quit 23:08 < sigma> If you haven't then you may not want to, so I'll try an alternative explanation. 23:08 < sigma> Oh, that's a _good_ equilibrator. 23:08 < Evenstar> Captchalogue it in your Sylladex! 23:08 < Teceler> hm? XD 23:09 < Evenstar> (Somehow I ended up with an orange soft-drink row in my rhyme & theme sylladex. I decided to just roll with it.) 23:10 < sigma> Anagram is a good equilibrator. A sylladex is a Homestuck device for captchaloguing objects with a fetch modus. 23:10 < sigma> In other words, an inventory. 23:11 < Andygal> some fetch moduses are completely ridiculous. 23:11 < Teceler> hm, potential thing might be to switch a statue of something out with a real version? 23:11 < Verdancy> I like the wallet one. 23:12 < Evenstar> (Miracle Modus) 23:12 < sigma> They call it Miracle Modus because if it ever works, it's a miracle. 23:12 < Teceler> pft 23:13 < Evenstar> (And yet it seems to work for Gamzee) 23:13 < sigma> As opposed to the plain, serviceable, baroken Wallet Modus. 23:14 < sigma> Gamzee maintains himself in a state so drugged-out that he wouldn't be able to _tell_ if his fetch modus worked. 23:14 < Verdancy> um 23:15 < Verdancy> How far along are you, Sigma? 23:15 < sigma> All of the far 23:15 < Verdancy> Oh. Okay 23:16 < Evenstar> (HONK HONK) 23:16 * Verdancy hides 23:16 < Andygal> NOPE 23:16 < sigma> Which is to say: waiting on the Omegapause 23:17 < sigma> Nope no clowns here 23:18 < sigma> Equilibrators are very much based on the tech-hop fetch modus, also the hash map fetch modus. 23:19 < Evenstar> Tag, Sonata 23:19 < Evenstar> (nuuuu) 23:20 < sigma> English equilibrators are fun, and also the majority of the equilibrators in said Fetch Modi. 23:21 < sigma> But I will need other equilibrators too, even if non-English forum members are willing to work in English runes. 23:23 < Evenstar> (Japanese character equilibriator) 23:23 < Evenstar> (If it's written with the same Kanji) 23:23 < Evenstar> (:P) 23:23 < sigma> The groove equilibrator is banned for being just as OP as the shade equilibrator, so I can't use that one. 23:23 < Evenstar> True 23:24 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 23:24 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 23:24 < Verdancy> Welcome back! 23:24 < sigma> Hi Sonata! 23:24 <@Sonata> ty 23:25 < Evenstar> You have a tag! 23:26 < sigma> Well, I haven't worked out a list of equilibrators yet. But does this courier sound like (a) fun itself, and (b) more fun-enabling than fun-wrecking? 23:26 < Evenstar> (Also now I need OTC to sell a Tech Jockey unit) 23:26 < Evenstar> Yes and yes. 23:28 <@Sonata> tag, Evenstar 23:30 < Evenstar> tag, Sonata 23:31 < sigma> Besides the equilibrator list, another important next step is a name. 23:32 < sigma> Also in my head it is now not a magic spell as much as a Spark-style device. The equilibrators are physically swapped. 23:34 < sigma> The names are entered with racks of little letter tiles. 23:35 < sigma> Hmm 23:36 < sigma> Q: is it more fun to add more not-word-based equilibrators, or to switch to only word-based equilibrators? 23:37 < Teceler> add more not-word-based 23:37 < Teceler> in my opinion 23:37 <@Sonata> Evenstar, tag 23:37 < sigma> Tec, does this sound fun-enabling to you? 23:38 <@Sonata> other properties: volume, density, material composition, monetary value, sentimental value, color 23:38 < Teceler> if people can say 'this words weirdly with this universe' then probably sure! 23:38 < Teceler> shape 23:38 < sigma> I forgot another important rule: No tradebacks. Having made a swap, it won't make the same swap in reverse. 23:39 < Evenstar> tag, Sonata 23:39 <@Sonata> Can you get around this with the Futurama theorem? 23:39 < Evenstar> Sentimental value is far too easy to cheat 23:40 < sigma> You absolutely can, if you can set the equilibrators to uniquely specify each swap you want to make. 23:40 < Evenstar> (Also, I need to bed) 23:40 < Evenstar> (Night all) 23:40 < Teceler> sleep well Evenstar 23:40 < PDV> night 23:40 < Andygal> goodnight Evenstar 23:40 -!- Evenstar has quit 23:40 < sigma> The Futurama theorem is great here. 23:41 < Sky> what is Futurama theorem? 23:42 < PDV> A theorem first proved in the plot of a futurama episode about reversing one-way swaps 23:43 < PDV> I believe it's "Two extras suffice to reverse any permutation of swaps" 23:43 < Verdancy> Good night, Evenstar. 23:43 < sigma> If you can swap any given pair at most once, it says whether and how can you swap everything back where it started. 23:43 < Verdancy> (way too late, but) 23:44 < PDV> "The theorem proves that, regardless of how many mind switches between two bodies have been made, they can still all be restored to their original bodies using only two extra people, provided these two people have not had any mind switches prior (assuming two people cannot switch minds back with each other after their original switch)." 23:49 <@Sonata> Not Pen, For Once: "Am /more lost than that./" 23:49 < Teceler> XD 23:50 < Andygal> sonata :: 23:50 < Andygal> ?? 23:50 <@Sonata> https://glowfic.dreamwidth.org/10051.html 23:50 <@Sonata> someone mailed Ahrotahn a cat 23:51 < Andygal> Ah yes that. 23:51 < Andygal> Poor cat. 23:51 < Verdancy> Who mailed Ahrotahn a cat. 23:51 <@Sonata> Unknown. 23:51 < Verdancy> Where did they even get a cat. 23:51 < Verdancy> How did they even get a cat into the box--- no, wait 23:52 < sigma> Correspondence, presumably. 23:52 <@Sonata> Presumably, yes. 23:52 < sigma> Haha, no, that's the easy part 23:52 < sigma> Tap the back of the box 23:55 < Andygal> Possibly it involved drugs. 23:55 < Andygal> also I am now imagining somebody mailing a Neath-cat to Chronicle. 23:56 < Andygal> and then I giggle at cotton candyland meeting FL. --- Day changed Mon Aug 24 2015 00:00 < sigma> Heh. Yes. 00:00 < Sky> ...I am now imagining a Chronicle cat being mailed to the Neath. Which would probably be worse, for the cat anyway. 00:00 < Teceler> ...poor cat 00:00 <@Sonata> but /why would a Chronicler mail a cat/ 00:00 < Andygal> ... 00:01 < Andygal> poor cat indeed. 00:02 < Verdancy> eesh 00:05 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 00:08 -!- sigma has quit 00:08 -!- sigma has joined #backstage 00:22 < sigma> I wonder what should be the security model for the exchange machine. 00:22 < sigma> Should it somehow prevent you from swapping for the gold in Fort Knox? 00:22 < Teceler> pft 00:23 < Verdancy> welp 00:23 < Verdancy> The people who use it should be trying not to get in trouble with the law? 00:23 < Teceler> maybe it has to be something you have access to? 00:24 < Verdancy> Can swaps be tracked somehow? 00:26 < sigma> Not sure what force the law can wield when swapping on a multiversal scale. 00:27 < Verdancy> yyyeah 00:28 < sigma> Teceler, how can access be checked when you're in a different universe? Some sort of security key?? 00:28 * Teceler shrugs. 00:28 < Teceler> I was thinking 'metaphysical property' 00:29 < sigma> For now I'll go with "The operators won't perform suspicious-looking swaps." So crime requires a little social engineering. 00:29 < sigma> If it gets to be a problem then they'll think of something. 00:30 -!- PDV has quit 00:30 < Verdancy> I mean, I would expect in their homeworld their would be laws and stuff? 00:30 < Verdancy> *there 00:31 < Verdancy> And probably anti-swapping stuff 00:32 -!- PDV has joined #backstage 00:48 < Teceler> I am going to go sleep now 00:48 < Teceler> Good night all 00:49 < Andygal> Night. 00:49 < Teceler> good night 00:49 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Asleep 00:49 < Verdancy> Good night. 01:01 -!- Sky has quit 01:13 < Verdancy> Okay I think it is bedtime for me, too 01:14 < Verdancy> Good night, everyone. 01:14 -!- Verdancy is now known as VerdanZzz 01:14 < Andygal> goodnight~ 01:15 < Andygal> It will be bedtime for me very shortly, but I need to wash dishes first. 01:15 < sigma> Sounds like a sleepy hour for the forum. 01:15 < VerdanZzz> aww 01:15 < VerdanZzz> okay 01:15 < VerdanZzz> mhmm 01:15 < VerdanZzz> gnight 01:15 < VerdanZzz> luck with dishes 01:16 < sigma> I've been writing about equilibration. 01:26 < PDV> playing with the idea of trying to put Zoombinis in the MWF 01:28 < Andygal> ?? 01:34 < sigma> Tomorrow people will be able to ask to have their items exchanged. 01:34 < Andygal> yay? 01:36 <@Sonata> ^_^ 02:13 < sigma> Posted! 02:19 < sigma> I made up a starting price. 02:24 < sigma> Then I changed it, I think it's okay now. 02:25 < sigma> Thanks Sonata for your list of possible object equilibrators. 02:25 <@Sonata> :)
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Post by Mother Starlight on Aug 25, 2015 18:00:04 GMT
04:19 -!- Sonata has quit 04:57 -!- PDV has quit 06:28 -!- Kelsewhere has joined #backstage 06:32 -!- Kelsewhere is now known as Kel 06:33 < Kel> heeeeee scrabble equilibrator 06:36 -!- Adelene has quit 06:37 -!- Adelene has joined #backstage 06:37 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Adelene] by ChanServ 06:37 < Kel> sigma are you here? 06:37 -!- Andygal has quit 07:59 -!- FacelessWork has joined #backstage 07:59 < FacelessWork> Greetings 08:10 -!- Kel has quit 09:04 -!- Kelsewhere has joined #backstage 09:05 < FacelessWork> hi kel 09:15 < sigma> Now I'm here, kelsewhere 09:18 < sigma> Possibly you are elsewhere 09:19 -!- Adelene is now known as Workdelene 09:20 < FacelessWork> Hey, someone could read my post and see if it is too confusing? 09:20 < FacelessWork> http://manyworlds.boards.net/thread/33/discussion-magic?page=7 (the last one) 09:22 < sigma> Looked pretty comprehensible to me! 09:22 < FacelessWork> thanks! xD 09:26 <@Workdelene> Typos: IC? If no: "Strenght" 09:30 < FacelessWork> OK 09:30 < FacelessWork> ops 09:30 < FacelessWork> ok 09:30 < FacelessWork> I copied that from the effulgence wiki and I should fix that later then ».» 09:31 -!- VerdanZzz is now known as Verdancy 09:31 < Verdancy> Hi, everyone. 09:31 < FacelessWork> o/ 09:32 < Verdancy> \o 09:33 -!- Eva has joined #backstage 09:34 < sigma> Hi Verdancy! Hi Evenstar! 09:34 < Eva> testbed thinks that I have blind spots 09:34 < Verdancy> what 09:34 < FacelessWork> hi eva o/ 09:34 < Eva> Pffffttthahahaha 09:34 < Eva> Eva 09:34 < Verdancy> (Hi Sigma, Eva/Evenstar!) 09:34 -!- Eva is now known as Evenstar 09:35 < Verdancy> blind spots 09:35 < Evenstar> (Eva has, like) 09:35 < Verdancy> ????? 09:35 < Evenstar> (Alllll the senses) 09:35 < Evenstar> most recent post in testbed 09:36 < Evenstar> Eva is about to be attacked by an ambush predator in her 'blind spot' 09:37 < Verdancy> omg 09:37 < Verdancy> ...I thought you were referring to a /metaphorical/ blind spot 09:37 < Evenstar> Yeah that'll go well for it :P 09:37 < Verdancy> yyyyyup :D 09:38 < sigma> I too thought you meant metaphorical blind spots. 09:39 < Evenstar> (oops.) 09:39 * Verdancy shrugs 09:41 < sigma> I keep picturing Lagakima as a flying spaghetti monster 09:41 < Verdancy> pfffffffffft 09:42 < Evenstar> pffft 09:42 < Evenstar> (Actually not too far off :p) 09:42 <@Workdelene> *considers* *examines kobold* *examines kobold's thoughts about Eva* 09:42 < Verdancy> pffft hee 09:42 < Verdancy> Hi Adelene! 09:42 <@Workdelene> Hi :) 09:42 < Verdancy> Well. Workdelene. 09:43 < Verdancy> :) 09:43 <@Workdelene> I should be working, yes, but. 09:43 < Verdancy> It is a small digression! 09:43 <@Workdelene> It appears that Lurker is not going to mention her magic sense to Eva at all until she's sure she wants to share. 09:43 < Verdancy> Huh. 09:43 <@Workdelene> Eva made a poor impression with her handling of Ina. ^^ 09:44 < Verdancy> pfft hee 09:44 < Verdancy> I remember. The shank icon. 09:45 -!- Teceler|Asleep is now known as Teceler 09:45 <@Workdelene> heh ^^ 09:45 <@Workdelene> o/ 09:45 < Verdancy> Hi Teceler! 09:45 < Teceler> hello 09:46 <@Workdelene> (Also at some point Lurker needs to warn Tyche of that, too.) 09:46 < sigma> Good morning Teceler! 09:47 < Teceler> morning all 09:47 < Evenstar> (Also Eva has interesting ideas about fun) 09:48 <@Workdelene> I have gotten the impression that Eva would not especially mind losing a kneecap to the kobold, no. ^^ 09:48 < Teceler> pfft 09:48 < Evenstar> (Also also this is what standard OTC field-operative self defense looks like) 09:49 < Evenstar> (Yes, OTC has a standard set of weaponry spells that are activated by corporate buzzwords.) 09:50 < Teceler> (pfffft) 09:51 < Verdancy> (pffft omg) 09:59 < sigma> Possibly not all field operatives are as well-equipped to spot ambush predators 09:59 -!- FacelessWork has quit 10:02 -!- Evenstar has quit 10:09 -!- Kelsewhere has quit 10:13 < sigma> Where is half of everyone going all at once 10:16 * Teceler doesn't know! 10:16 < Teceler> well. I think Kel wasn't actually here, and when she is not actually here her connection does that a lot 10:16 < Teceler> but the others I don't know 10:21 < sigma> I guess they'll probably be back later 10:24 < Verdancy> Maybe mibbit is being inhospitable today? 10:26 < sigma> That's possible. 10:32 -!- FacelessWork has joined #backstage 10:33 < FacelessWork> hi again 10:33 < Verdancy> Welcome back! 10:50 < FacelessWork> whats up? 10:51 < Verdancy> Sigma debuted his courier service! 10:52 < Verdancy> (All you missed was just some wow, where is everyone going) 10:57 < FacelessWork> ah, ok 10:58 < FacelessWork> I am introducing a new character that is set up to sort birth blessings for people that want them 11:00 < Verdancy> I saw! They seem neat. 11:00 < FacelessWork> Thanks! ^_^ 11:00 < Verdancy> :) 11:15 < Teceler> brb 11:15 < Verdancy> k 11:17 < Teceler> bk 11:19 < FacelessWork> wb 11:21 < Verdancy> wb! 11:23 -!- Evenstar has joined #backstage 11:23 < Evenstar> Tag, Motherstarlight 11:23 < Evenstar> *waves* 11:23 < Teceler> hello Evenstar 11:23 < Evenstar> Hi again all 11:23 < FacelessWork> salutations 11:24 < Evenstar> We appear to be experiencing technical difficulties today 11:24 < FacelessWork> who plays Ingram? 11:24 * Evenstar is Evangeline Ingram. 11:24 < Evenstar> (The pipe that brings water in from the well has failed, so we are without plumbing) 11:25 < Teceler> [hugs if wanted?] 11:25 < Evenstar> (Fortunately we keep a bunch of jugs of distilled water on hand. This happens occasionally due to routine maintenance.) 11:25 * FacelessWork offers hugs as wel 11:25 < Evenstar> [accepts hugs because hugs] 11:25 < Teceler> ...just as long as it isn't The Well :P 11:25 < FacelessWork> The Well? 11:26 < FacelessWork> (The well of night?) 11:26 < Teceler> (Seeking) 11:27 < Evenstar> (Yeah I would be really uncomfortable if I had Mr. Eaten's decomposing corpse in my back yard) 11:27 < Verdancy> wat 11:27 < Evenstar> (Fortunately he is fictional) 11:27 < Teceler> XD 11:27 < Teceler> Evenstar: can the universal translator be used in such a way that it looks like someone is just speaking the relevant language? 11:28 < Evenstar> Teceler: Yes. 11:28 < Verdancy> Also, what does it look like? 11:28 < Evenstar> (Though for voice-to-sign or telepath-to-sign or voice-to-telepath you might be out of luck) 11:29 < Teceler> (pft) 11:29 < Evenstar> It looks like you are making the right lip motions for the words. 11:29 < Verdancy> (hee) 11:29 < Evenstar> Like, you're not badly-dubbed 11:29 < Evenstar> :P 11:29 < Teceler> hee 11:29 < Verdancy> pfft 11:29 < Verdancy> I actually meant the device but that is good to know too 11:29 < Evenstar> Oh, the device 11:30 < FacelessWork> Evangeline doesnt have a character page in the wiki? 11:30 < Evenstar> FacelessWork: I haven't added any of my stuff to the wiki, if things are there other people put them there 11:31 < FacelessWork> ah, I am sorry 11:31 < FacelessWork> can you give the 30 seconds overview? 11:31 < Evenstar> Ingram is the OTC rep for the forum. 11:31 < Verdancy> Evangeline should have a character page. She is very a character. 11:31 < Verdancy> Just saying. 11:31 < Evenstar> She is a Sensate, which means she collects interesting experiences and sensations. 11:31 < FacelessWork> ah, ok themº 11:32 < FacelessWork> huh, what kiind of interesting? 11:32 < Evenstar> (With positive or negative affect, neither matters) 11:32 < Teceler> Evenstar: Niryl: [is very interested in the Sensates] XD 11:32 < Verdancy> hee 11:32 < Evenstar> FacelessWork: Ideally, experiences that are unique 11:32 < Evenstar> That few or no people have ever had before. 11:33 < Evenstar> The vast work of the Sensates is to catalogue all of sapient experience. 11:33 < Evenstar> So for example Ingram has gone sun-diving. 11:34 < Evenstar> And has also eaten Dire Cocoa Fudge 11:34 < Teceler> pft 11:34 < FacelessWork> what she has to say about that? 11:34 < Evenstar> and has also gone on just about every amusement park ride 11:34 < FacelessWork> about the sun diving I mean 11:34 < Evenstar> and has been to the depths and heights of many many planets 11:34 < Evenstar> etc 11:34 < FacelessWork> albeit, also the Dire Fudge too 11:34 <@Workdelene> and is on track to lose a kneecap to a kobold ^^ 11:35 < FacelessWork> the kneecap originally belonged to Ingram? 11:35 <@Workdelene> (I am still really amused that that keeps coming up as a thing ^^) 11:35 < Evenstar> Re: Sun Diving: It's one of the more beautiful ways to die that she's met so far. 11:35 < Verdancy> pfft kobold 11:35 < Evenstar> Dire Fudge: It's filed in the 'cognitohazards' collection. 11:36 <@Workdelene> The funniest bit is that when it's just Lurker interacting with Eva they do fine, it's only when Eva tries to interact with people around Lurker that they keep having problems. 11:36 < Verdancy> pfft 11:36 < Evenstar> (Ingram has had so much exposure to cognitohazards that I would kind of expect her to be able to parse Orzwords) 11:36 < Verdancy> eesh about the fudge, though 11:36 < Teceler> pffft 11:37 < Evenstar> It was a fun cognitohazard though! 11:37 < Evenstar> It's just, she would like to be able to eat real food. 11:37 < Evenstar> And not just fudge. 11:37 < Teceler> XD 11:38 < Evenstar> (Eva forks herself whenever she expects to encounter something dangerous to her mind or life) 11:38 < Evenstar> (One of her tries the thing, the other stays as the Archivist.) 11:38 < FacelessWork> that sounds like a fun job 11:38 < FacelessWork> if you are a Joker 11:39 < Evenstar> (If they survive, they merge back into the Archivist afterwards; if they don't, or if they become a significantly different person, then the Archivist takes the sense-gem of their experience) 11:40 < Evenstar> (Some Evas who have experienced interesting cognitohazards manage the 'cognitohazard' collection for the main Archivist.) 11:40 * Verdancy side-eyes "interesting" "cognitohazards" 11:41 < Evenstar> (Those Evas tend to not get out much because they're addicted to something or other. The ones that are just insane get humanely put down by Greater Eva.) 11:41 < Evenstar> (Occasionally Archivist-Evas get bored with being Archivists. At that point they start flipping coins whenever they're sending off a fork.) 11:42 < Evenstar> (If they win the flip, the Archivist original goes and the fork becomes the new Archivist.) 11:42 < Teceler> ...I'm not positive how that is a significant distinction? 11:42 < Verdancy> Yeah, me neither 11:43 < FacelessWork> you mean Archivist Old, instead of Original? 11:43 < Evenstar> Faceless: Yes. 11:43 <@Workdelene> Forking generally means you get two identical people. 11:44 < Teceler> that yeah 11:44 < Evenstar> Eva A forks into Eva A and Eva B. Most of the time Eva B goes off and does a dangerous thing. Occasionally, instead Eva A goes off and does the dangerous thing. 11:44 <@Workdelene> So, like, the one designated B is not actually less bored with archivisting than the one designated A. 11:44 < Evenstar> This is a significant philosophical distinction for Eva herself because she treats forks as 'new selves' that happen to share all her memories. 11:45 < Verdancy> oh, okay 11:45 < Teceler> ah 11:45 <@Workdelene> *squints at* 11:45 < Teceler> but, like 11:45 < Teceler> what Adelene said 11:45 < Verdancy> I mean, it still doesn't seem different to me, but if it matters to Eva then it makes sense 11:46 < Evenstar> Workdelene: I see your point, but essentially the point is that any given instance of Eva will never be an archivist forever. 11:46 <@Workdelene> There will be an instance of Eva that has the /experience/ of having been an archivist forever, though. 11:46 < Evenstar> (Well, there is exactly /one/ version of herself who will be the Archivist indefinitely) 11:46 <@Workdelene> Which seems like the same thing to me, functionally? 11:47 < Evenstar> (But that individual self needs to exist as the 'Trunk' of the greater Eva-Tree) 11:47 < Evenstar> (And every time that Eva flips the coin she has an equal chance of ending up part of the trunk or one of the branches) 11:47 <@Workdelene> *shrug* 11:47 -!- Sky has joined #backstage 11:47 < Verdancy> Hi Sky! 11:47 < Sky> hi! 11:48 < Teceler> hello Sky 11:49 < Evenstar> (So she basically says 'okay, if I'm unlucky enough to be stuck as the Archivist forever in the service of Greater Me, that's fine. Just so long as the rest of my self-tree is interesting enough to justify one boring life.) 11:49 < FacelessWork> Eva-tree makes me thing of the bible, is that on purpose? 11:49 -!- Kel-Phone has joined #backstage 11:49 < Kel-Phone> hi 11:50 < Evenstar> (And point of fact, Archivist-Eva works for OTC so she does not exactly have an interminable existence) 11:50 <@Workdelene> *nod* 11:50 < Evenstar> (She is rarely actually bored enough to want to flip coins.) 11:50 < Kel-Phone> flip coins? 11:50 < Evenstar> (But over enough centuries it makes sense for her to have the procedure.) 11:52 < Evenstar> (If nothing else, it's a reminder to her each time she does it - every time she's flipped the coin it means another of her is off doing something /extremely interesting/ on behalf of Greater Her) 11:52 < FacelessWork> this sounds oddly... cult-ish somehow 11:52 < Evenstar> (Also, the Archivist has a duty to remember Greater Her.) 11:52 < Kel-Phone> context for coin flipping? 11:52 < Teceler> pfft 11:53 < Teceler> Kel! 11:53 < FacelessWork> I imagine dozen of evas chanting "FOR THE GREATER HER!" 11:53 < Kel-Phone> hi! 11:53 < Evenstar> FOR THE GREATER ME! 11:53 < FacelessWork> Yeah that 11:53 < Evenstar> Because, well, they /are/ all the same person. 11:53 < Teceler> um, Ingram deciding which of her forks goes to do the interesting thing 11:53 * FacelessWork chants "For the greater eva!" 11:53 < Kel-Phone> ah 11:54 < Evenstar> (Naturally the Eva-tree is not straightforwards because some of her decide to stop being part of this system) 11:54 < FacelessWork> traitors! 11:54 < Evenstar> (But it's rare that Eva actually fights herself.) 11:55 < Evenstar> (Because that's, y'know, kind of counter-productive most of the time.) 11:55 < Teceler> pffft 11:55 < Evenstar> (When you can just share experiences to explain things to your other self.) 11:56 < Evenstar> (More often you get a Doom!Eva that says 'Greater Me needs to do X or things will go very badly, trust me, I can't share with you because of cognitohazards but DON'T GO INTO THE BASEMENT OF THE HAUNTED HOUSE.') 11:56 < Teceler> ...pft 11:56 < Verdancy> pfffft 11:56 < Teceler> ...what happens then? 11:57 < Evenstar> (Then Greater Eva generally takes the suggested course of action.) 11:57 < Evenstar> (Because they trust themselves.) 11:57 < Teceler> that makes sense 11:57 < Evenstar> (Though naturally cautiously, because cognitohazards.) 11:57 < Teceler> I assume they have a way to tell if a fork stops being a them 11:58 < Evenstar> Yep. It's not really difficult for them to tell with a chat. 11:59 < Evenstar> Given an hour or so with a prospective Eva they can just play Rock-Paper-Scissors, and non-Evas stop tying. 11:59 < Teceler> hm? 11:59 -!- Kel-Phone has quit 12:00 -!- FacelessWork has quit 12:00 < Evenstar> People who are not Eva do not think like Evas, so over enough rounds of a simple game their strategy differs from Eva's. 12:00 < Teceler> ah 12:11 < Teceler> okay, so, Evenstar 12:11 < Teceler> we should probably work out the thing so that Niryl can interact with the OTC XD 12:20 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 12:20 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 12:26 < sigma> Hi Sonata! 12:26 <@Sonata> Hi 12:26 < Teceler> hello Sonata 12:26 < sigma> Oh, I missed Kel again. 12:33 < sigma> Yeah, eXchange eNgine accepts Dyne not for OTC reasons, just because they're practical 12:34 < sigma> OTC is good at money which is also practical. 12:37 < sigma> Speaking of things with "Dyne" in their name, OTC doesn't have muscles but it does have "muscles". Can any of its figurative body perform actions routinely enough to create Memni? 12:39 <@Sonata> @Evenstar 12:47 < Evenstar> Sigma: Probably not. 12:47 < Evenstar> Sonata: ? 12:47 -!- PDV has joined #backstage 12:47 < Teceler> hello PDV 12:47 <@Sonata> I was pinging you about sigma's question. 12:48 < PDV> hello 12:48 * Teceler also points Evenstar at her comment/question a little while back 12:48 < Evenstar> Which one? 12:48 < Teceler> <Teceler> okay, so, Evenstar 12:48 < Teceler> <Teceler> we should probably work out the thing so that Niryl can interact with the OTC XD 12:48 < Evenstar> Also Sonata you have a tag 12:48 < Evenstar> Teceler: Yeah 12:49 <@Sonata> I'm sure I do, I'm still doing morning things 12:50 -!- Kelsewhere has joined #backstage 12:51 < Teceler> okay so hm 12:52 < Teceler> ...possibly we should move to spoilers I expect this conversation to trip over those a lot XD 12:52 < Teceler> ... brb 12:56 <@Sonata> Evenstar, Relto is actually sunlit 12:58 -!- FacelessWork has joined #backstage 12:59 < FacelessWork> hi again 12:59 < Teceler> bk 12:59 < Teceler> wb Faceless 12:59 * Teceler pokes Evenstar? 13:04 < Evenstar> (Oh) 13:04 < Verdancy> I need to go food 13:04 < Evenstar> (I seem to recall that was optional) 13:05 < Teceler> (hm?) 13:05 -!- Verdancy is now known as Verdancy|Away 13:05 < Teceler> (oh, Relto, okay) 13:05 < Teceler> enjoy food Verdancy 13:05 < Verdancy|Away> Thanks! 13:05 < FacelessWork> Food Well o/ 13:05 < Evenstar> Fixed, sonata 13:06 < Verdancy|Away> \o thanks Faceless 13:10 < sigma> Sonata, I've replied to Ahrotahn's questions 13:11 <@Sonata> ^_^ 13:12 <@Sonata> Evenstar, ping 13:13 < Evenstar> Sonata, pong 13:20 <@Sonata> Evenstar, tag 13:31 < Evenstar> Sonata, Tog 13:32 < sigma> Where ya goin', maybe someone else's hood? Not sure what the Nexus book is gonna do for you that the Hood or City book wouldn't. 13:33 <@Sonata> The City book doesn't go to the public instance of Ae'gura. 13:34 <@Sonata> ...but I think I remember saying earlier that D'ni isn't instanced in this interpretation, hmm. 13:34 < sigma> I thought you ruled that City instancing was just a gameplay construct and Ae'gura's only the public instance, yeah 13:35 < sigma> (And the common interpretation that Bevin instancing is just multiple hoods) 13:35 <@Sonata> Evenstar, back up? 13:44 -!- FacelessWork has quit 13:47 < sigma> Also the Nexus book has the "unshareable" flag, which I think is a gameplay implementation of the likelihood that you'd end up in a separate Nexus chamber from your friend. 13:51 <@Sonata> Yeah, I was going to have her carry the cat. 13:53 < sigma> That would've worked. But without city instancing, it's probably easier to take the direct book. 13:53 -!- Kelsewhere has quit 13:54 < sigma> How do additional linking pages even work, what is Yeesha's deal. 13:54 <@Sonata> Yeah. 14:05 < sigma> Wanna do more Exchange Engine while we wait for Evenstar? 14:12 -!- Workdelene is now known as Adelene 14:13 < sigma> Welcome back Adelene. 14:13 <@Adelene> ^^ 14:17 < sigma> Alternatively, perhaps I've managed to answer all of Ahrotahn's questions without raising more? (@Sonata) 14:20 <@Sonata> hmmm 14:22 < sigma> It's less interesting to not have questions, but sometimes you don't. 14:23 <@Sonata> posted 14:23 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 14:24 < Andygal> Hi. 14:24 <@Sonata> hi 14:25 < Teceler> hello Andygal 14:34 < sigma> Forum tag, Sonata 14:34 < sigma> Hi Andygal! 14:35 * Evenstar exists again! 14:35 < Teceler> wb Evenstar? 14:35 < sigma> Hi Evenstar! 14:35 < Teceler> (I would still like to talk about the thing) 14:36 < sigma> I see you've backed up for Sonata. 14:36 < Evenstar> Sonata: I backed up 14:36 < Evenstar> Hi! 14:36 < Evenstar> (Yes) 14:38 < Evenstar> (I want to see Fuckno's reaction to the Exchange Engine privileging english) 14:39 < Teceler> (pfffft) 14:39 <@Sonata> Evenstar, retag thank you 14:42 -!- Evenstar has quit 14:43 <@Sonata> sigmatag 14:43 -!- Kelsewhere has joined #backstage 14:44 -!- Evenstar has joined #backstage 14:45 <@Sonata> Evenstar, retag in case you didn't see before you bounced 14:46 < Evenstar> thanks 14:46 < Evenstar> retagged, Sonata 14:48 -!- Teceler has quit 14:48 <@Sonata> tag Evenstar 14:48 < sigma> Tag Sonata 14:48 -!- Teceler has joined #backstage 14:48 < Teceler> computer what 14:49 < Evenstar> tag, Sonata 14:49 < sigma> I think you only missed us tagging each other, Teceler 14:49 < Teceler> that's good! 14:50 * Teceler pokes at her computer 14:51 < sigma> If it helps, I don't think the machine's operators speak English as their language 14:51 < sigma> It's like having a machine that works on Latin names of things 14:52 < sigma> (but easier for us authors.) 14:53 <@Sonata> Evenstar, tag 14:53 <@Sonata> ah, so that's why they said "vernacular' 14:53 <@Sonata> *" 14:54 < sigma> Yup! 14:56 < Evenstar> tag, Sonata 14:58 <@Sonata> tag, Evenstar 14:59 < sigma> Hee, foot linking. 15:00 -!- PDV has quit 15:00 < Evenstar> tag, Sonata 15:05 -!- MTC has quit 15:12 <@Sonata> tag, Evenstar 15:15 < Evenstar> Is D'ni on an earth? 15:16 <@Sonata> Yes. 15:16 < sigma> How's Ahrotahn gonna foot link back? Can the Relto book tether stretch far enough? 15:16 <@Sonata> Dunno, I/she didn't think of that ahead of time. 15:16 < sigma> Oops, timing 15:16 < Evenstar> Sonata: Specifically the Cavern. 15:17 <@Sonata> Yes, specifically the Cavern is under New Mexico. 15:17 -!- Kelsewhere is now known as Kelish 15:17 < sigma> Hi Kelish! 15:18 < Kelish> Hi! 15:18 < Teceler> hello Kel! 15:18 < Evenstar> sonatag 15:18 < Kelish> :) 15:19 < sigma> You asked earlier if I was here, and I wasn't, but I'm here now 15:19 < Kelish> ah 15:19 < Kelish> I think it was related to a typo one sec 15:19 < Kelish> oh 15:20 < Kelish> rhyme rime, but apparently intentional? 15:20 < sigma> The rime is the rhyme-part of a word. 15:21 < Teceler> oh no time 15:21 <@Sonata> Evenstag 15:21 < Kelish> [hug?] 15:22 < sigma> "Rime" in this sense is obscure and not very useful in common English, but I decided to use it here as technical vocabulary. 15:22 <@Sonata> (Evenstar tag) 15:22 < Kelish> this did not show up with casual googling, but ok 15:23 < sigma> Rime is more often frozen saltwater, true. 15:23 <@Sonata> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syllable#Rime 15:23 < Kelish> ooh 15:23 < sigma> Frozen saltwater is the sense in which the Age of Rime uses it. 15:24 <@Sonata> That's what they want you to think. 15:24 < sigma> "Do you have a London?" Oh, if someone has the Art skills, they should write some more Earth linking books. 15:25 <@Sonata> Ahrotahn might be able to find someone with a London linking book if she asks around, but it also might end up being faster to buy plane tickets. 15:26 < sigma> Maybe stick 'em in the Nexus, if you can get the DRC stamp for it. 15:27 < Teceler> back for until my ride gets here 15:27 < Teceler> (why my alarm keeps not working I have no idea) 15:27 <@Adelene> *hug* 15:27 * Teceler is hugged 15:28 < Andygal> possibly you turned it off while too asleep to remember. 15:28 * Andygal has done that. 15:28 < sigma> Does Correspondence have a New Mexico? 15:28 < Teceler> ...probably? 15:28 < Teceler> oh ride 15:28 < Teceler> will be back later 15:28 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Away 15:28 < Kelish> bye 15:28 < Andygal> bye Tec 15:29 < Kelish> where under New Mexico are they? 15:30 <@Sonata> Near Carlsbad Caverns, but deeper. 15:30 < Kelish> nifty! 15:31 < sigma> Eddy County 15:31 -!- tecephone has joined #backstage 15:31 <@Sonata> New Mexico wasn't admitted to the union until 1912, so maybe not 15:32 <@Sonata> oh, but the New Mexico Territory was established 1850 15:32 <@Sonata> so probably yes. 15:34 < sigma> So cat friend can have some idea where they are, if having paid attention to surface geography of other continents. 15:35 < tecephone> Unlikely bit possible 15:35 < tecephone> But 15:36 < sigma> Can people get a Relto book at Cleft even if they're not Called? Panic linking is a good safety feature. 15:38 <@Sonata> Unclear. I'll lean towards yes for individuals but it might go away if someone tries to get industrial about it. 15:38 -!- tecephone has quit 15:38 -!- tecephone has joined #backstage 15:38 < sigma> Also if Cat Friend tries that, how can the Relto book attach to the cat? 15:39 < sigma> (That one is a silliness question) 15:40 < Evenstar> Tag, Sonata 15:41 < sigma> I was thinking because a London linking book could trap people very far away from New Mexico if they didn't have a Relto book. 15:42 < sigma> Huh, now the mirror works. Weird. 15:43 -!- tecephone has quit 15:43 -!- tecephone has joined #backstage 15:44 < Evenstar> (Cat. Of course it cheats.) 15:44 < Evenstar> (:P) 15:45 <@Sonata> tag 15:45 <@Sonata> (Evenstar) 15:48 -!- Verdancy|Away is now known as Verdancy 15:49 < Evenstar> Tag, Sonata 15:49 < Verdancy> oh my fucking god you guys I was EATING and my sister has decided that this beetle is a ladybug 15:49 < Verdancy> hint it is nOT 15:50 < sigma> Beetles while eating? Inconvenient. 15:50 < Verdancy> my brother took it /outside/ in deference to her wishes and she fucking bROUGHT IT BACK IN 15:50 < Verdancy> AND THEN SHE LOST IT 15:50 < Andygal> Ugh. 15:50 < sigma> :( 15:50 < Kelish> [hug?] 15:50 < Verdancy> so now it is downstairs somewhere and I am hiding up here with a towel blocking the bottom of the door 15:50 < Verdancy> *hugs* 15:50 < Kelish> [/hugs] 15:50 < Verdancy> I just. Why. 15:50 -!- kappabeta has joined #backstage 15:51 -!- mode/#backstage [+o kappabeta] by ChanServ 15:51 < sigma> Hi kappa! 15:51 < Evenstar> Hi Kappa! 15:51 < Andygal> HI kappa. 15:51 < Verdancy> Hi, Kappa. 15:51 < Kelish> Hi! 15:51 < Evenstar> (Also, [hugs] Kel) 15:52 < Kelish> (?) 15:52 <@kappabeta> hello everyone! 15:52 < Evenstar> Er, Verdancy 15:52 < Evenstar> >.> 15:52 < Verdancy> *hugs* 15:52 < Evenstar> [hugs] 15:52 < Evenstar> [retargeted hugs] 15:52 < Verdancy> It is not that big of a deal she just /does/ stuff like this ugh why 15:52 <@kappabeta> ...? 15:52 <@Sonata> Evenstar, tag 15:52 < Kelish> would you like a log PM? 15:53 < sigma> Novelty would offer to hunt it for you. 15:54 <@kappabeta> yes please kelish 15:54 < Andygal> even if it was a ladybug why would you bring it inside? ladybugs should be left outside to eat pests. 15:54 < Verdancy> ugh I know 15:54 < Verdancy> Sigma: that's cute. 15:54 < Kelish> sent 15:55 <@kappabeta> <3 15:55 < Evenstar> tag, Sonata 15:56 < Kelish> kappabeta I am rereading all of the seidr and spear and ohgosh tiny thor is very cute 15:56 <@kappabeta> XD 15:56 < Verdancy> aww 15:57 < Andygal> <3 15:57 < Verdancy> btw, Kappa, I saw what you did there 15:57 <@kappabeta> hm? 15:57 <@Sonata> Evenstar, tag 15:57 < Verdancy> With Sigyn getting eaten by the landworm 15:58 <@kappabeta> what'd I did? 15:58 < Verdancy> Oh. I thought it was related to attack on titan hypotheticals 15:58 < Verdancy> Never mind 15:59 < Evenstar> tag, Sonata 15:59 <@kappabeta> ahahaha 16:00 <@kappabeta> I mean, the connection definitely occurred to me, but it was Alicorn who suggested him getting swallowed in particular, I was thinking he'd get chomped on instead 16:00 < Verdancy> pfft okay :D 16:01 <@kappabeta> the fact that he tried to climb out again is to some extent related to the fact that I have previously considered the scenario of "jokersherlock swallowed by large monster", though, yes 16:01 < Andygal> why did Alicorn suggest him being swallowed? 16:01 <@kappabeta> dunno 16:01 < Verdancy> hee 16:01 < Verdancy> (I am calmed down now and I've also eaten so I am feeling pretty alright right now, it is nice. Thanks, everyone. <3) 16:01 <@kappabeta> <3 16:02 <@Sonata> (*hugs*) 16:02 < Verdancy> <3 16:02 < Kelish> [hugs] 16:02 < Verdancy> (*hugs*) 16:02 < Andygal> I mean "swallowed by giant monster and needing to be cut out" is a pretty common trope. 16:02 < sigma> It does feel more Norse Mythology than bitten in half would. 16:02 < Verdancy> *kelhugs* 16:02 < Verdancy> hee 16:02 < Kelish> ee 16:02 < Verdancy> aww <3 16:02 < Andygal> (hugs) 16:03 <@kappabeta> btw sonata i'm delighted by the ahrotahn + boxed cat thread 16:03 <@kappabeta> who's being the cat? 16:03 < Verdancy> *hugs* 16:03 < Verdancy> Evenstar is. 16:03 <@Sonata> ^_^ 16:04 < Verdancy> :) 16:04 -!- tecephone has quit 16:04 <@kappabeta> evenstar i'm delighted by your boxed cat 16:04 -!- tecephone has joined #backstage 16:04 < Verdancy> wb Teceler? 16:05 < Andygal> Cats are delightful. 16:05 < Verdancy> Mhmm. 16:06 <@Sonata> *tries to imagine boxcat interacting with mathemakitten* 16:06 <@kappabeta> oh hey evenstar, would you like me to change your author tag on the glowfic community from "author: eva" to "author: evenstar"? 16:06 <@Sonata> *head!boxcat is appalled* 16:06 <@kappabeta> <3 16:06 < Verdancy> hee 16:07 < sigma> Do people have items that need exchanging? 16:07 < sigma> I cannot recommend sending a boxed people-cat. 16:07 < Verdancy> I cannot recommend sending a boxed not-person-cat, either. 16:08 < Andygal> Do not stuff cats in boxes. 16:08 < Andygal> it will end in pain, for you. 16:08 < Kelish> and is also mean 16:08 * Verdancy nods 16:08 < sigma> XN has no official opinion on sending non-people animals at this time. 16:09 < Verdancy> Well I mean 16:09 < sigma> Might be curious what would happen though 16:09 < Verdancy> Unless there is something unpleasant about the transfer mechanism 16:09 < Verdancy> That seems okay? 16:09 < Verdancy> I would try it with a beetle or something first, though 16:10 < Andygal> or a (non rattus faber) rat. 16:11 * Verdancy shakes head 16:11 < Evenstar> kappabeta: I am fine with either! 16:11 < Verdancy> Beetle first. If something horrible happens I'd rather it happen to a beetle than a cat 16:11 < Verdancy> er. a rat 16:11 < Kelish> yeah. or a rat 16:11 < Verdancy> but that is true too 16:11 <@kappabeta> tag changed 16:13 < Kelish> like, rats are a lot more [word. having personalities and opinions?] than beetles 16:13 < Andygal> this is true. 16:15 < Evenstar> Emotive? 16:15 < sigma> It should be just fine for sending bleach or zorkmids or other stuff like that. 16:18 < Kelish> yay] 16:18 < Kelish> *yay! 16:18 < Kelish> that is convenient 16:19 < Andygal> Lizzie and Singer may end up using it. 16:19 < sigma> I intend for it to work for potions too, if potions plot needs an alternative to Mozee portals. 16:20 <@Adelene> Also Lurker's sending stone network is likely to expand, and anyone on that can pretty readily request MPA castings from her and/or Vorkosigans. 16:20 < sigma> Do not exchange POTION with OCEAN. 16:20 < Kelish> XD 16:21 < Andygal> potions can easily be specified by colour, assuming the exchange brings the bottles along. 16:21 < Kelish> BUT IT RHYMES THAT IS A PERFECT RHYME HOW CAN YOU RESIST??? 16:21 < Andygal> You can resist by not wanting to drown. 16:21 < Kelish> OK BUT HAVE YOU CONSIDERED "I WOULD LIKE TO TRADE THE OCEAN FOR YOUR POTION!" ??? 16:22 < Andygal> You can totally exchange potions with lotions. 16:22 < Kelish> ooh that too 16:22 < Kelish> OOH I WOULD LIKE TO TRADE THIS LOTION FOR THE OCEAN 16:22 < sigma> The exchange should bring the potion bottles just fine. 16:22 < Kelish> YAY 16:22 < Andygal> DO NOT DO THIS THING, KEL 16:22 < Kelish> (XD) 16:24 * Andygal tries to think of other things that rhyme with potion 16:24 < sigma> I think the machine crew is wise to the fact that oceans aren't really very safe to exchange. If you want to trick them into a hazardous swap you'll need something they're less familiar with. 16:24 < Kelish> MOTION 16:24 < Andygal> Croatian? 16:24 < Kelish> A NOTION FOR THE OCEAN 16:25 < Kelish> er 16:25 < Andygal> I don't think motion is a thing that can be exchanged. 16:25 < Kelish> A Notion for An Ocean! 16:25 < Kelish> Emotion! 16:25 < Kelish> ... Sigma how abstract can they do? 16:26 < sigma> I don't think they've tested very abstract. 16:27 < Verdancy> I was actually thinking "gold potion of youth" for "gold missive of truth" 16:27 <@Adelene> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notions_%28sewing%29 16:27 < Verdancy> said missive being a gold piece of paper that you wrote something true on 16:27 < Verdancy> like 1+1 = 2 16:27 < Andygal> can you exchange an advertisement as a "promotion". 16:28 < sigma> Specifically, the EXCHANGE ENGINE currently lacks OBJECT EQUILIBRATORS for anything without at least a COLOR or a MASS. 16:28 < Kelish> aw 16:28 < Andygal> also can you exchange a radio as a "commotion"? 16:29 < sigma> Promotion yes. Commotion I'm thinking probably no? Missive of truth yes. 16:29 < Kelish> could they do really /vague/ descriptions? 16:29 < Kelish> such as "Shape" ? 16:29 < Andygal> (me attempts to stretch the rules until they snap) 16:30 < sigma> You can try stretching rules in-thread if you like! Though XN will refuse requests that are obviously impossible or obviously dangerous. 16:31 < Kelish> hm 16:32 < sigma> Kel, the trouble with vague descriptors is you risk instead getting some _other_ multiversal object matching the descriptor. 16:32 < Kelish> how many things are there that can be described as "THE SHAPE" ? 16:34 < Kelish> ... could XN be convinced to function as hazardous waste disposal? 16:35 < sigma> Various objects of highly geometric shape. Various templates, such as clothes patterns. Any vessel to which someone's given that name. Etc. 16:36 < Kelish> ok 16:36 < Kelish> can likelihood be influenced by a lot of people thinking of /one thing/ by that descriptor? 16:36 < sigma> They could be convinced to provide hazardous waste transport to a hazardous waste disposal, but you'd have to find someone to take it. 16:37 < Kelish> darn, that will be more difficult 16:37 < tecephone> Pfft Kel 16:37 * tecephone its hereOSHA 16:37 < Andygal> what if you wanted to transfer something hazardous to you to someone it was not hazardous to? 16:37 < tecephone> Er 16:37 < tecephone> Hereish 16:38 < Kelish> ? 16:38 * Andygal punches autocorrect in the face 16:38 < sigma> Andygal, ? 16:39 < sigma> That sounds like a matter between you and them 16:39 < Kelish> will it transport things that are not actually /yours/ ? 16:39 < sigma> Though if the swap sounds obviously unsafe you might need to convince XN. 16:40 < sigma> It doesn't have an ontological primitive of possession? 16:40 < Kelish> I am trying to figure out if you can use XN to just steal thing 16:40 < Kelish> *thins 16:40 < Kelish> **things 16:41 < sigma> Like they probably won't transfer STOLEN JEWELS but they may have no idea anything wrong about transferring stolen JEWELS. 16:41 < Kelish> Evenstar, does the OTC have opinions about this? 16:42 < sigma> The machine won't transfer things you don't in some sense _have_ though. 16:42 < Kelish> .... 16:42 < Kelish> Eventide is potentially going to become more pleasant if anyone has a responsible use for its horrors! 16:43 < sigma> You can't just swap THE PRESIDENT'S DAUGHTER. 16:43 < Kelish> pfff 16:43 < Kelish> She is a /person/? 16:43 < sigma> That too 16:43 < Kelish> hm 16:43 < Kelish> could you be said to own a storm? 16:44 < sigma> There are at least three reasons you can't swap her 16:44 < sigma> A storm is something you can have. XN will be hesitant to swap it. 16:44 < Kelish> pf 16:45 < sigma> But you might be able to persuade them, for example to swap a RAINSTORM from a too wet place to a too dry one. 16:46 < sigma> Gotta have somebody on the other end with something to swap back tho! 16:46 < Kelish> Or a SANDSTORM from a too-sandstormed place to a too-normal one? 16:46 < tecephone> Pfft 16:47 < Andygal> I am not sure if there is any place that needs a sandstorm. 16:47 < sigma> Haha, that might be a tougher case. Most places already have all the sandstorm they require. 16:47 < Kelish> okayy... but do they have MAGIC sandstorms? 16:47 < tecephone> Bit pff uninhabited desert m 16:47 < tecephone> Augh 16:47 < Kelish> Available for the low low price of whatever can be swapped 16:47 < Kelish> [hug] 16:47 < tecephone> Bit of uninhabited desert? 16:48 < Kelish> hm 16:48 < Andygal> well it would have to be inhabited by somebody at the time. 16:48 < Kelish> the sandstorm seeks out civilization 16:48 < Kelish> and is kinda dangerous 16:49 < Andygal> water is kind of wet and an Eventide sandstorm is kind of dangerous. 16:49 < Kelish> XD 16:49 < Kelish> well there are conceivable situations in which some of the sandstorms aren't dangerous? 16:50 -!- Teceler|Away is now known as Teceler 16:50 < sigma> Possibly your best bet is to ask Lantern to take it and glaze it. 16:50 < Kelish> wb! 16:50 < Teceler> pffft 16:50 < Kelish> XD 16:51 < Kelish> O.O 16:51 < Teceler> ask Cordelia to make a closed demiplane to stick it in? 16:51 <@kappabeta> hahahahaha 16:51 <@kappabeta> cordelia is like "...I feel like this can't possibly be the most efficient solution to a sandstorm" 16:51 < Andygal> Dump it into outer space? 16:51 <@Adelene> *snicker* 16:51 < Kelish> XD 16:52 < Kelish> ... A sealed demiplane for dumping NV horrors into could go very badly 16:52 < Teceler> it is a /very evil sandstorm/ 16:52 < Teceler> XD 16:52 < sigma> You could send it by COLOR to Gabriael, always looking for more mass. 16:52 < Kelish> pf 16:52 < Teceler> pfffft 16:53 < Kelish> no but Gabby is not on the forum anymore 16:53 < Kelish> ish 16:53 < Andygal> you could PM him. 16:53 < Kelish> ANGELS DO NOT EXIST 16:53 < Kelish> so no 16:53 < Teceler> pfft 16:53 < sigma> You could send it to someone who can sacrifice it alethically. 16:54 < Andygal> entelechy is already too much on fire, it does not need an evil sandstorm. 16:54 < Kelish> XD 16:54 < Kelish> well it is on whimsical fir 16:54 < Kelish> *fire 16:54 <@kappabeta> i mean, dropping an evil sandstorm on entelechy seems a little like dropping a lit match on a burning house 16:54 < Teceler> Verdancy, Evenstar, anyone else who wants to listen to -- pfft -- to Neathy plotting and doesn't mind probable spoilers: #Correspondence 16:54 <@kappabeta> you are technically not helping but your contribution to the problem is not large 16:55 < Teceler> pffffft 16:55 < Kelish> XD 16:55 < Andygal> pfffffft 16:55 < Kelish> but link is not available I think 16:57 < sigma> http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpjc2igEEG1qjbypxo1_500.jpg 16:57 < Verdancy> pfffffffft 16:57 < Andygal> pfffffthahaha 16:57 < Kelish> XD 16:57 < Kelish> That is very fitting 16:58 < Evenstar> heee 16:58 < sigma> (I've been saving that one) 16:58 < Kelish> <3 <3 16:58 < Kelish> [warmfuzz at] 16:58 < Kelish> need to go do a thing, back in a bit 16:58 < Verdancy> heeee 16:59 -!- Kelish is now known as Kelsewhere 16:59 < Verdancy> Good luck, Kel! 16:59 < Teceler> good luck 16:59 < Kelsewhere> thanks! 16:59 < Verdancy> :) 17:02 <@Sonata> http://www.anagrammer.com/scrabble-score-calculator/ 17:02 < Andygal> hmm? 17:02 < Verdancy> useful! 17:02 <@Sonata> for determining the SCRABBLE VALUES of DESCRIPTORS. 17:03 < Verdancy> (quiet cackling) 17:04 * Sonata also has a newly-written elisp function to do this 17:04 * Sonata prouds 17:05 * Andygal reminds sonata about tag? 17:05 <@Sonata> oh which? 17:05 < sigma> So you can exchange a POTION with anything of value 8, or, say, SEVERAL POTIONS with something of value 19. 17:05 < Verdancy> heeeeeeeeeeeeeee 17:05 <@Sonata> or POTIONS for 9 17:05 < Verdancy> This seems like something that could benefit from up goer five 17:06 < Evenstar> (You can exchance POTIONS for a FELINE) 17:06 < Evenstar> *exchange 17:06 < sigma> Hahaha 17:07 <@Sonata> cat tag Evenstar (thanks Andygal) 17:07 < Andygal> can it be a dead feline? 17:07 < Evenstar> or for a SWORD 17:07 < Verdancy> what no 17:07 < Verdancy> no dead felines 17:08 <@Sonata> ZORKMID is 23 17:08 <@Sonata> A GROUP OF POTIONS is also 23 17:08 <@Sonata> are there any gold-colored potions? 17:09 < sigma> There's a good exchange! 17:09 < Andygal> I think there are gold coloured potions. 17:09 < Andygal> also you might be able to change the colour with food colouring. 17:10 < Verdancy> hee 17:11 < Verdancy> Lizzie: acquires large amounts of colored tissue paper 17:11 < Verdancy> Lizzie: wraps up potion bottles 17:11 < Andygal> heeeee. 17:11 < sigma> Should work! 17:14 < sigma> Is it potion sending time? 17:14 < Verdancy> maybe? 17:15 < sigma> Who would you send potions to? 17:15 <@Sonata> oh no I just thought of a thing that might break this wide open 17:15 <@Sonata> BOXED PACKAGE 17:16 <@Sonata> I'm so sorry 17:16 < Verdancy> omg 17:17 < Verdancy> if that would be a problem I think you can just declare that too vague, Sigma 17:19 < sigma> If it becomes a serious problem I'll have the machine not run it. Short of that, there's always the risk of getting some other BOXED PACKAGE instead. 17:19 < sigma> (Contained bobcat) 17:19 <@kappabeta> hahahahaha 17:19 < Andygal> XD 17:19 < Evenstar> (Or just cat) 17:20 < Andygal> rabid bobcat. 17:20 < Evenstar> Package = Bobcats 17:21 < Evenstar> wait nope 17:21 < Evenstar> but PACKAGE = CHEETAHS 17:23 < sigma> So watch out for that! 17:23 < Verdancy> pfft 17:24 < Teceler> XD 17:24 < Andygal> XD 17:24 -!- PDV has joined #backstage 17:25 < Verdancy> Hi PDV! 17:25 < sigma> We're imagining shipping things by Exchange Engine 17:27 < PDV> shipping as in couriers, or shipping as in OTP? 17:27 < PDV> because the second one is funnier 17:27 < Andygal> couriers. 17:27 < PDV> awww :P 17:29 < sigma> SHERLOCK is 17 and so is JOKERS 17:29 < sigma> So you can ship that 17:29 < Verdancy> pfft omg 17:29 < Andygal> that's amusing. 17:29 <@Sonata> Evenstar, tag 17:30 < Evenstar> Tag, Sonata 17:33 < sigma> Well at least Ahrotahn is getting practice remembering! 17:33 <@Sonata> yeeeep. 17:33 < Andygal> stubborn isn't she? 17:33 < Evenstar> (yep.) 17:37 <@Sonata> Evenstar, tag. 17:39 <@kappabeta> ahrotahn vs. the FLverse brings me such joy you guys 17:39 <@kappabeta> <3 17:39 < Teceler> XD 17:39 < Teceler> it is delightful 17:39 < Andygal> <3 17:39 < Teceler> ... 17:39 -!- FacelessDude has joined #backstage 17:39 < Teceler> Sonata do you want Niryl to have some phrase from that in an incoherent forum post? 17:39 < Teceler> hello Faceless 17:40 <@Sonata> Maybe. Ask Evenstar. 17:40 < FacelessDude> Salutations 17:40 < Andygal> letting her anywhre near Neathy secrets is a terrible terrible idea. 17:40 < FacelessDude> how are things? 17:40 < Teceler> Evenstar? 17:40 < Teceler> Andygal: probably, yes 17:40 <@kappabeta> ...ahaha you guys my brain 17:41 <@kappabeta> it just went, "Consider: Sable from Terraria, in Fallen London." 17:41 < Andygal> ... 17:41 < Verdancy> welp 17:41 < Teceler> ... 17:41 < Andygal> is Sable a girl Miles? 17:41 <@kappabeta> Yes. 17:41 <@kappabeta> Yes she is. 17:42 < Verdancy> omg 17:42 <@kappabeta> Terrarian Sable is specifically a girl Miles who is about twenty years old and has been trapped alone in the world of Terraria since she was twelve. 17:42 < Verdancy> aww Sable 17:42 < Teceler> ...and she gets randomly transported to Fallen London? 17:43 <@kappabeta> She has an Interesting Magical Power from a fantasy series by Miles's author, and a shitton of Terraria gear. 17:43 <@kappabeta> I mean, she was already randomly transported to Terraria 17:43 <@kappabeta> she could be trying to invent a way home and invent a way to parts unknown instead 17:43 < Verdancy> it KEEPS HAPPENING 17:43 < Teceler> XD 17:43 <@kappabeta> or she could get portalsnaked again 17:43 <@kappabeta> hehehehehe 17:43 < Andygal> XD 17:43 <@kappabeta> but yeah like. oh my god. 17:44 < Evenstar> Tag, Sonata 17:44 <@kappabeta> she would be so... 17:44 <@Sonata> annoyed? 17:44 < Verdancy> infuriated? 17:44 <@kappabeta> Complicated Conflicted Feelings 17:44 < Verdancy> 300% done? 17:44 < Teceler> [hugs for Sable] 17:44 <@kappabeta> like on the one hand: PEOPLE, ACTUAL REAL PEOPLE WITH REAL MINDS AND EVERYTHING 17:45 < Teceler> on the other hand... 17:45 < Verdancy> *hugs for Sable as well* 17:45 <@kappabeta> on the other hand: THIS PLACE IS TERRIBLE AND NOW SHE HAS TO DEAL WITH IT 17:45 <@kappabeta> and boy oh boy would she Deal With It 17:45 < Andygal> (hugs) 17:45 < Verdancy> heeeeeeee 17:46 < Evenstar> heeeee 17:46 < Teceler> dear Sable: please do not blow up the Bazaar :P 17:46 <@kappabeta> XDDDDDD 17:46 <@kappabeta> did I say she would blow things up? 17:46 <@kappabeta> i mean tec you know what happens when a miles Deals With It 17:46 <@kappabeta> usually what happens is not huge collateral damage 17:46 < Teceler> it is highly variant based on the initial circumstances. but. yeah. does not tend toward collateral damage XD 17:47 <@kappabeta> XD 17:47 < Andygal> She wouldn't blow up the Bazaar she would /social/ the Bazaar. 17:47 < Teceler> ... 17:47 <@Sonata> Evenstar, tag 17:48 <@Sonata> (Connected: The Great Game is increasing.) 17:48 < Teceler> (pfffffft) 17:48 * kappabeta snickers 17:48 <@kappabeta> sable would have all of the connected. 17:50 < Evenstar> Tag, Sonata 17:51 < sigma> Discussing things backstage is fun, but I don't like when it sucks the life out of the forum. All those hypotheticals here and nobody's tried sending anything. 17:51 < Teceler> oh that reminds me 17:53 < Teceler> "...but she is rather preoccupied with manical cackling at the moment" pffffft 17:53 -!- Kelsewhere is now known as Kelish 17:53 <@Sonata> Evenstar, tag 17:53 < Kelish> oh, sorry about that sigma, yeah that is sad 17:53 < Kelish> I will have Cloaked 17:54 < Andygal> I am slightly confused as to what Lizzie is cackling manically about. 17:54 < Teceler> presumably breaking Ka 17:57 < Teceler> also, wb Kel 17:57 < Kelish> thanks! 17:57 < Kelish> I have cut up eggplant but don't know the next step so they can live in the fridge until someone gets home who knows what to do! 17:58 < Andygal> google it? 17:58 < Kelish> there was a specific thing that is not in online recipies, and I don't remember what it was 17:58 < Evenstar> tag, Ahrotahn 17:58 < Evenstar> Er, Sonata 17:58 < Teceler> sigma: pm-tag 18:00 < Kelish> ... 18:00 * Kelish goes to check weird timeline notes to find out what eldritch monstrosity is being traded 18:00 < Teceler> Kel: ? 18:01 < Teceler> pfft 18:01 <@kappabeta> eldritch monstrosity? 18:01 < Kelish> nightvale stuff in general 18:01 < sigma> Teceler, pm-tagback 18:01 < Kelish> I want to know what's going wrong and whether it can be shipped 18:02 <@kappabeta> where to? XD 18:02 < Kelish> XD 18:02 < Kelish> ANYWHERE 18:03 < Kelish> ... apparently a /bonus episode/ is happening 18:03 < Kelish> rrg 18:03 < Teceler> sigma: pm-tag 18:03 < Teceler> [hugs?] 18:03 < Kelish> I will scoot NV a little more into the past 18:03 < Kelish> sure! [hugs!] 18:03 < Kelish> hm 18:04 < Kelish> Does anyone want to buy a SPHERE OF FASHION? 18:04 < Teceler> pffft 18:04 <@kappabeta> what is a one of those 18:05 < Kelish> it is maybe a spoiler? 18:05 < Kelish> It is NOT FRIENDLY 18:05 < sigma> Kelish, eggplant: one possibility is to lightly salt it? Another is to stack it between paper towels? 18:05 <@kappabeta> hahahahaha 18:05 < Teceler> Eclipse might be able to contain it? 18:05 < Teceler> maybe? 18:05 < sigma> Either of those sound familiar? 18:05 <@kappabeta> eclipse seems to be having enough trouble 18:06 < Teceler> well yes 18:06 < Teceler> but like 18:06 < Kelish> (I think part of the thing was to microwave before cooking and then other stuff I don't remember gets added and it is only a Best Food if it is cooked all the way correct, so I will just wait, but thank you!) 18:06 < Teceler> if it is the kind of thing Eclipse technology can easily contain 18:06 < Kelish> It Depends 18:06 < Kelish> is Eclipse Fashionable? 18:06 < Teceler> pfffffffffft 18:06 <@kappabeta> hahahaha 18:06 <@kappabeta> what the heck are you talking about 18:06 < Kelish> Night Vale thing from Episode 69 18:07 < Kelish> should I move to spoilers? 18:07 < Teceler> Firewall: ... [sets an AI to determine its preferences and then only feed it stuff that fits that] 18:07 < Teceler> possibly Kel 18:07 < Kelish> brb phone 18:09 < Kelish> phone was eggplant instructions, back in a bit 18:09 < Teceler> good luck 18:10 < sigma> Now you've made it sound like some sort of porn sphere that eats the clothes of anyone who looks too attractive in them. 18:10 < Teceler> pfffft 18:10 < Teceler> nooot exactly 18:10 <@kappabeta> pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 18:10 <@kappabeta> porn sphere <3 18:10 < Andygal> or possibly something that will kill you horribly if you don't meet it's standards of fashion. 18:11 < Evenstar> (Porn sphere. Hee.) 18:11 < Kelish> (Andygal is correct) 18:11 <@Sonata> (Porn /ball/. Obviously.) 18:12 <@kappabeta> porn sphere is funnier to say 18:12 <@kappabeta> porn sphere porn sphere porn sphere 18:12 < sigma> Pornpom 18:12 <@Sonata> heee 18:12 <@kappabeta> ...<3 18:13 <@Sonata> (now I'm imagining a porn fancy dress ball with suits and gowns and waltzing) 18:13 <@Sonata> (and dildos) 18:13 <@kappabeta> hahahahahahahahaha 18:14 <@Sonata> (Big floppy rubber ones, as table centerpiece decorations.) 18:14 <@kappabeta> I mean glass ones though 18:14 <@Sonata> (And everyone acts like everything is Very Proper.) 18:15 < Evenstar> (This sounds like a thing that should exist) 18:15 <@kappabeta> with glass ones you could end up with a Beautiful Classy Dildo Chandelier. 18:15 < Evenstar> (In some universe or other) 18:15 <@Sonata> (men wearing tuxedo jackets and top hats and spats and nothing else) 18:16 < sigma> This is fabulous. 18:16 < Evenstar> (Perhaps a fetching vest, appropriately tailored) 18:17 < sigma> Teceler, tag 18:18 < sigma> Kappa, now imagining the rainbow light refracted through a dozen glass dongs 18:18 < Teceler> ... 18:19 < Andygal> also sonata, evenstar: "you have gained 1 X A memory of light" 18:19 < Evenstar> (yep) 18:19 <@Sonata> Hee. 18:19 < sigma> Teceler, is this not your kind of party 18:22 <@Sonata> Evenstar, tag 18:30 < Evenstar> Sonata: Tag 18:32 < Evenstar> (Feel free to tell me if you want to skip a bit :P) 18:32 <@Sonata> Evenstar, tag with possible timeskip 18:33 < sigma> Kel, forum tag, though really what you want is a buyer 18:36 < sigma> And a second post too 18:37 -!- FacelessDude has quit 18:38 <@kappabeta> kel: Cloaked is currently living on Barrayar, right? 18:39 -!- Kelish is now known as Kel 18:39 < Kel> yes 18:39 < Kel> she is concerned for her friends 18:39 <@kappabeta> has she spoken to Cordelia about the FASHION SPHERE? 18:39 < Kel> XD 18:39 < Kel> hm 18:39 <@kappabeta> this post may cause Cordelia to go ask her about it 18:39 < Kel> ok 18:40 <@kappabeta> we should probably determine the contents of that conversation; should we move to #spoilers to do so? 18:40 < Kel> sure! 18:40 < sigma> Teceler, or were your dots about the PM thread? 18:40 * Teceler juggles things! 18:40 < sigma> Juggling dots! 18:43 < Evenstar> Tag, sonata 18:43 < Kel> brb 18:43 < Kel> also tags 18:43 < Teceler> sigma: pm-tag 18:44 < Teceler> ...uh, 'Do' was supposed to be emphasized. 18:45 * Adelene hmms, suggests crowdsourcing kobold-culture questions for Metis to ask. 18:45 < Teceler> pfft 18:47 < sigma> Teceler tag 18:48 <@Adelene> Also, Kel, godsfire is yours. 18:49 <@Sonata> Evenstar, tag 18:53 < Evenstar> tag, Sonata 18:54 * Kel has accomplished eggplants! 18:54 <@Adelene> yay! 18:54 < Teceler> that is useful! 18:54 < Kel> :D 18:54 < Kel> Eggplants are occasionally the Best Food 18:54 < Verdancy> yay! 18:55 < Verdancy> (I personally cannot tolerate the texture of the seeds but sometimes they are small or sufficiently deep-fried or my grandmother makes them) 18:56 < sigma> Forum tag, Kel 18:57 < Kel> HAHAHAHAAHA 18:57 < Kel> I believe hip is more of a vertebrate thing. 18:57 < Kel> <3 <3 <3 18:57 < Kel> <EEEEE 18:57 < Kel> ... 18:57 < Kel> *<33333 18:58 < sigma> :D 19:00 < Verdancy> Hey Evenstar did the OTC do the 10tk minting for Lizzie? 19:01 < Evenstar> Verdancy: Yes. 19:03 < Verdancy> All right 19:03 < Verdancy> (I thought possibly she had been too rude) 19:04 < Teceler> hey, people who icons. How do I convince things to give me the image rather than the photobucket page on which it is? 19:04 * Teceler has no idea why it is doing that in the /first/ place so 19:04 < Verdancy> also is there a way to download them all at once 19:05 <@kappabeta> under what circumstances is it giving you the photobucket page? 19:05 < Teceler> kappabeta: from insanejournal, not hollowart, but all the time at the moment from pages there 19:06 < Teceler> Verdancy: page info images select the icons save as 19:06 < Verdancy> Thank you! 19:06 <@kappabeta> under what circumstances, though 19:06 < Teceler> kappabeta: hm? 19:06 <@kappabeta> like what actions are you taking that result in you getting a photobucket page when you wanted an icon 19:07 <@kappabeta> I get icons from insanejournal a lot and almost never have to contend with that problem, although I've encountered it 19:07 < Teceler> any save-as 19:07 * Teceler tests some things 19:07 < Teceler> 'view image' does it 19:08 < Teceler> ...copy image location gives me the correct link... 19:09 < Teceler> ...but going to that gets a redirect 19:09 < Kel> brb supper 19:09 -!- Kel is now known as Kelsupper 19:09 < Teceler> enjoy 19:10 < Teceler> so the problem is on the photobucket side 19:10 < Verdancy> Enjoy supper! 19:11 <@Sonata> Evenstar, tag 19:12 <@Sonata> actually nontag, I want to fix formatting 19:13 < Teceler> kappabeta: ? 19:14 <@kappabeta> tec: what is your question specifically? 19:14 < Teceler> is there a way to make this stop happening? 19:14 -!- FacelessDude has joined #backstage 19:15 <@kappabeta> the way I collect icons never runs into it - I throw all the images into an email which I subsequently send to myself 19:15 < FacelessDude> Salutations 19:15 < Teceler> hm 19:15 * Teceler will try that 19:15 <@kappabeta> and that works just fine, using "copy image location" and gmail's image includer 19:15 <@kappabeta> and then I copy location again to put them in dreamwidth 19:16 <@kappabeta> "??? mail a cat ???" sonata you are a delight 19:16 <@Sonata> Evenstar, retag 19:16 <@Sonata> ^_^ 19:17 <@Sonata> thank you <3 19:19 <@kappabeta> <3 19:23 <@Sonata> pun warning: Ziega casting barleycorns as a form of divination. 19:30 < FacelessDude> Can you explain why it is a pun for people that are ESL speakers? 19:31 <@Sonata> She sees sooth in grain. 19:32 * Verdancy throws water at Sonata and Testbed 19:32 <@Sonata> Testbed is innocent in this, as far as I know. 19:33 * Andygal is still not getting the pun. 19:33 < Verdancy> Ziega's username is soothingrain 19:33 < Andygal> pffffft 19:33 < Verdancy> Sonata- you play Ziega? 19:34 <@Sonata> no, I'm just a less-than-innocent bystander. 19:34 < Verdancy> ooookay 19:34 < Verdancy> I thought Testbed plays Ziega, then? 19:34 <@Sonata> Dunno, maybe? 19:35 < Andygal> ziega has yet to own up. 19:35 <@Sonata> I made up the barleycorns scenario, it is extremely noncanon and does not exist outside of this conversation 19:35 < Verdancy> pfft okay 19:38 < Teceler> ping 19:38 < Verdancy> pong 19:38 <@Adelene> pong 19:38 < Teceler> hrm 19:58 -!- FacelessDude has quit 20:01 < Andygal> teceler: pfffft 20:02 < Andygal> err Kel. 20:02 -!- Kelsupper is now known as Kel 20:02 < Kel> back! 20:02 < Kel> :D 20:02 < Teceler> Andygal you summoned Kel Xd 20:02 < Teceler> wb 20:02 < Teceler> *XD 20:02 < Kel> at which thing? 20:02 < Andygal> the describing the thing as a certain colour til it turns that colour. 20:02 < Kel> ah 20:02 < Kel> :D 20:03 < Kel> It seemed like a reasonable possibility 20:03 < Verdancy> WB Kel! 20:03 < Kel> @sigma does that work? 20:03 < Kel> Thanks! 20:12 < sigma> Oops, fell asleep, back now 20:15 < Kel> wb! 20:15 -!- FacelessDude has joined #backstage 20:15 < Teceler> that, wb 20:15 < Teceler> hello again Faceless, too 20:15 < Kel> hi! 20:16 < FacelessDude> hi again o/ 20:16 < FacelessDude> How is everyone? 20:17 -!- sigma_ has joined #backstage 20:17 -!- Sky has quit 20:18 -!- sigma has quit 20:18 < Evenstar> Sonata Tag 20:19 < Evenstar> (also hee, ??? mail a cat ???) 20:19 <@kappabeta> i feel that this is a wholly appropriate reaction to Pass the Cat 20:20 <@kappabeta> ??? mail a cat ??? 20:21 < Andygal> XD 20:22 <@Sonata> Evenstar, tag and possibly end for now? 20:22 <@Sonata> unless you want to have something more interesting happen Later, That Night 20:22 <@Sonata> after she goes to bed? 20:24 < Evenstar> (Ahrotahn's dreams will be recurring) 20:24 < Teceler> pft 20:24 <@Sonata> (hold tag a minute, actually) 20:24 < Andygal> pffft 20:25 <@kappabeta> ...you know, it occurs to me that like. Someone coming from the aesthetic/paradigm of Myst is going to be SO WHOLLY UNPREPARED for Fallen London 20:25 <@kappabeta> XD 20:26 <@Sonata> Hopefully it should be entertaining. 20:26 <@kappabeta> <3 20:26 <@kappabeta> is she going to like... figure out... that Hazards Are Occurring 20:26 <@kappabeta> at some point 20:26 <@kappabeta> XD 20:27 < Evenstar> (Well, on one hand, Fallen London /is/ rather forgiving) 20:27 < Teceler> pfft 20:27 < Evenstar> (If you go mad or die or get thrown in jail or exiled to the tomb-colonies it will turn out okay in the end) 20:27 < Evenstar> (Usually) 20:28 <@Sonata> "A while back, there was a catastrophic society-shattering effect. Now, there's people living out their lives in a vast underground city filled with strange creatures and stranger magic. Funny what people can get used to." "Sure, makes perfect sense to me. You want to get something to eat?" 20:28 <@Sonata> s/effect/event/ 20:28 < Evenstar> Sonata: Pfffthaha 20:35 -!- Andygal has quit 20:35 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 20:35 < Andygal> Oops. 20:36 -!- sigma_ is now known as sigma_away 20:38 <@Sonata> retag Evenstar 20:39 < Andygal> sonata: unless you seek the Name, that never ends well. 20:40 < Andygal> (unless you have the sense to /stop/) 20:41 < Evenstar> tag, Sonata 20:45 < Evenstar> (Feel free to either skip to night or leave the sandbox where it is) 20:45 < Andygal> (does Ahrotahn have the sense to stop?, she might not) 20:46 <@Sonata> This definitely feels like A Stopping Point, but I sense there may be more to happen. And I don't know that I want to start a new thread necessarily. 20:47 <@Sonata> Evenstar, tag. 20:47 <@Sonata> Andygal, I think she probably does but I don't know enough about what Name-seeking looks like to be sure. 20:49 <@Sonata> Her priors are that if something looks dangerous, then either you don't need to do it, or if you keep looking there's a safer way to accomplish the same ultimate goal, or it's not as dangerous as it looks. 20:49 <@Sonata> (And having a Relto book at your hip expands the latter category quite a lot.) 20:49 <@kappabeta> Name-seeking very quickly becomes very obviously dangerous. 20:50 < Teceler> but by that time you may not be able to notice that? 20:50 <@kappabeta> there is that. XD 20:50 < Andygal> yeah nameseeking is kind of a memetic hazard 20:51 <@Sonata> She might possibly go "why do I keep encountering this dangerous option", do some cautious research to find out if it's actually as dangerous as it looks, determine that yes it is, and look for a way to _make_ it safe. 20:52 < Teceler> pfft 20:52 < Andygal> pffft 20:52 <@kappabeta> hahaha 20:52 <@Sonata> Because obviously when the universe is going LOOK AT THIS LOCKED DOOR GUARDED BY SNAKES the thing to do is start looking for a flute and a key. 20:52 <@kappabeta> hahahahahaha 20:52 < Teceler> ahahahaha 20:52 < Andygal> this ends really badly for her. 20:53 <@Sonata> but she's really careful to only do safe things! if all the nameseeking-related things she can find to do are dangerous, she doesn't pursue the least dangerous, she assumes she's missing something and keeps looking around. 20:53 < Teceler> yeah but memetic hazards 20:53 <@Sonata> I guess. 20:53 <@kappabeta> I forget how Seeking actually *starts*, come to think... 20:54 < Teceler> multiple ways 20:54 < Teceler> easiest one is through a dream 20:54 < Teceler> you could also get an invite from a Seeker at a certain point in their thing 20:54 < Teceler> and, hm 20:54 <@kappabeta> I suppose the part about repeatedly committing painful ritual suicide might not necessarily warn her off 20:54 < Teceler> there was at least one other I think? might have been seasonal 20:55 <@Sonata> yeah the 'repeatedly' part is kind of a clue that suicide is not quite as suicidal as it sounds 20:55 <@kappabeta> I forget exactly how I got in, I think it was either dreams or hanging out in the wrong places peering down the wrong well 20:55 < Teceler> heh 20:56 < Evenstar> tag, Sonata 20:56 <@kappabeta> but my Name-seeking character is, uh, currently engaged in trying to chase down the Starveling Cat to get his soul back 20:56 < Evenstar> Kappabeta: Dreams. 20:57 < Evenstar> Specifically, Death By Water. 20:57 < Teceler> pfffft 20:57 <@kappabeta> relatedly, does anyone have a Starveling Cat going spare 20:57 < Kel> (THERE IS SUCH A SUNSET RN YOU GUYS!) 20:57 <@kappabeta> yay sunset! 20:57 < Evenstar> (The smoke from the oregon fires is here) 20:57 < Evenstar> (It is so red) 20:57 < Teceler> um, kappa, Seeking is currently on a hiatus? 20:58 < Kel> (IT IS VERY PINK AND PASTEL AND KINDA FAKE LOOKING BUT IN A GOOD WAY) 20:58 < Evenstar> (hee) 20:58 < Andygal> my character got unaccountably peckish through one of the christmas events one time, I got rid of it though. 20:58 <@Sonata> ^_^ Kel 20:58 <@kappabeta> I am aware that Seeking is currently on a hiatus, but I have been unable to locate a Starveling Cat since the last time my Name-seeker let it run off with his soul 20:59 < Teceler> ah, okay 20:59 * Teceler tries to remember how that works 20:59 < Teceler> hmm I /think/ it's the letting it run off with your soul that consumes the cat? and then only sometimes? 21:00 <@kappabeta> i don't remember how I lost the cat 21:00 < Andygal> I think you need like 3 cats to get through the whole sequence but I don't know. 21:00 < Teceler> hm 21:00 <@kappabeta> but I don't currently have one, and I do currently have an opportunity card that claims I can make progress on the retrieval of my soul with the use of a Starveling Cat and a long stick 21:00 -!- FacelessDude has quit 21:01 < Evenstar> (hee) 21:01 < Teceler> well I'd be happy to let you borrow my Starveling Cat but I only have the one 21:01 <@kappabeta> XD 21:01 < Teceler> Evenstar do you remember how the thing? 21:02 <@Sonata> Evenstar, tag 21:04 < Evenstar> Tag, Sonata 21:06 < PDV> At some point you needed to get through the Starveling Cat sequence seven times, I believe. 21:06 < PDV> SEVEN IS THE NUMBER! 21:06 < Evenstar> SEVEN IS THE NUMBER 21:06 < Verdancy> omg 21:07 < Teceler> yeah, you need seven stains on your soul, seven weeping scars, and seven memories of chains. 21:07 <@kappabeta> yep 21:08 < PDV> Does that require catching the cat seven times? 21:08 < Evenstar> (You die eight times in the process of this, go mad seven times, and lose your soul seven times.) 21:08 < Evenstar> (Yes.) 21:08 < PDV> ugh, I thought there was a reason i didn't bother Seeking 21:09 < Evenstar> (It is supposed to be terrible) 21:09 <@kappabeta> I have one Stain and one Scar and three Chains 21:09 < Teceler> Evenstar: at least, there's at least one thing when you can die and not get the thing you need because /you died too quickly/ 21:09 < Teceler> (I think that's the well-jumping) 21:09 <@kappabeta> yep 21:09 < Evenstar> Teceler: Yep. 21:09 < Andygal> that's the well jumping yeah. 21:09 -!- Sky has joined #backstage 21:09 <@kappabeta> bled to death before you drowned! all for naught! 21:09 <@kappabeta> ... hi sky 21:10 < Evenstar> (Nice opener) 21:10 < Teceler> XD 21:10 < Teceler> hello sky 21:10 < PDV> xD 21:10 < Sky> hi. yep. 21:10 < PDV> `\o 21:10 < Evenstar> We were just talking about the many ways that Fallen London is terrible. 21:10 < PDV> Did people ever figure out the first three cities? 21:11 < Teceler> ummm 21:11 < Teceler> there are /theories/ 21:11 < Teceler> also #spoilers 21:11 < PDV> fair 21:11 < PDV> There were theories back when I played, but there has been a lot of new content 21:12 < Andygal> I think they figured out which the second city was? 21:12 <@Sonata> Evenstar, tag 21:13 <@kappabeta> oh, I misread. I have *seven* Scars. Apparently. 21:13 < PDV> Nice 21:13 <@kappabeta> XD 21:13 < Andygal> congrats I guess? 21:13 < Teceler> XD 21:13 < Verdancy> welp 21:14 <@kappabeta> I will accept both congratulations and condolences. 21:14 < Verdancy> congradolences 21:14 < Verdancy> condolations 21:14 < Verdancy> hm 21:18 < Evenstar> tag, Sonata 21:19 < Teceler> brb 21:21 -!- Kel is now known as Kelsewhere 21:25 < Verdancy> okay so um do we have a ruling on swearing in PMs 21:25 < Verdancy> Sonata? 21:26 < Verdancy> (what does PG-13 even /mean/ :P) 21:26 < Evenstar> (IDK) 21:26 <@Sonata> PMs are officially subject to the same rules as everything else. 21:26 < Verdancy> aight 21:27 <@Sonata> and it /roughly/ means no explicit sex/gore. 21:27 < Verdancy> I am not concerned about that 21:27 < Verdancy> It is just that Lizzie is kind of a pottymouth 21:27 <@Sonata> *shrugs* 21:27 * Verdancy shrugs 21:27 < Verdancy> eh 21:28 <@Sonata> It's not my rule; as far as I'm concerned as long as the folks upstairs don't say anything (and they never have yet) there's no problem. 21:30 < Teceler> bk 21:31 < Verdancy> kay 21:41 -!- Kelmusic has joined #backstage 21:42 * Teceler draws the Square of Lofty Words in FL 21:42 * Teceler hmmms. 21:43 < Teceler> who is somewhat-actively playing FL and wants a Surprise Box? 21:43 <@kappabeta> what are those again 21:44 < Teceler> a box with an item or items of varying value in it 21:44 < Teceler> randomly determined 21:44 <@Sonata> I'd take one 21:45 < Evenstar> Sure works for me 21:46 <@Sonata> Evenstar, tag 21:46 <@Sonata> (very short tag for very long delay, was making new icon) 21:51 <@kappabeta> i shall go to bed now 21:51 <@kappabeta> goodnight friends 21:51 < Teceler> sleep well 21:51 -!- kappabeta has left #backstage 21:51 < Andygal> goodnight 21:52 <@Sonata> I just drew Square of Lofty Words myself. Apparently sending people things requires me to have 10 Echoes in cash? Does it /cost/ that? Seems a bit steep. 21:55 -!- Kelmusic has quit 21:57 -!- Kelsewhere is now known as Kel 22:03 <@Adelene> Kel have you tagged godsfire? 22:03 < Kel> oh 22:03 < Kel> I still have not 22:04 < Kel> ... within the last ten minutes I have refreshed the page of godsfire and kinda expected/hoped it would be updated. except that is not how tags 22:04 < Teceler> [hugs] 22:05 < Andygal> (hugs) 22:05 < Andygal> Tags do not write themselves alas. 22:09 < Evenstar> Tag, Sonata 22:13 <@Sonata> Evenstar, tag 22:16 < Evenstar> Tag, Sonata 22:16 -!- Kel has left #backstage 22:26 -!- Adelene is now known as Sleepdelene 22:30 <@Sonata> Evenstar, is the 1 Dyne = 1.96 OTC conversion still current? (I ask because it's known to be extra volatile) 22:31 < Teceler> sleep well Adelene 22:32 < Evenstar> Yep, so far there has not been significant market movement. 22:32 < Andygal> night Adelene 22:33 <@Sonata> Evenstar, tag. 22:37 <@Sonata> actually untag, I realized I should have put another thing in there. 22:41 <@Sonata> retag 22:42 < Evenstar> tag, Sonata 22:42 < Evenstar> whoap, retagging 22:44 <@Sonata> (if she gets them as single big coins like that, she'll reply asking if they can be denomination-converted in the same way as takkarash) 22:44 <@Sonata> (and then remember she doesn't have a BT minting kit) 22:46 < Evenstar> (Fixed) 22:47 <@Sonata> heeeeeee 22:47 <@Sonata> um, clarification 22:47 <@Sonata> as written it sounds like Ahrotahn spent the entire thousand on that question, which is not what I intended 22:48 < Evenstar> No, that's not the intent. 22:48 <@Sonata> so she comes out of the memory with change? 22:48 < Evenstar> No, she spent the coin she had 22:49 < Evenstar> Which was a 1bt coin I assume 22:49 <@Sonata> she did not have physical bt prior to this, so if the otc sent her a single brass cogwheel just now...? 22:49 < Teceler> Sonata: 'for takkarash'? 22:50 <@Sonata> tec, she's paying in takkarash 22:50 < Teceler> yeah 22:50 < Teceler> but that phrasing is confusing me? 22:50 < Evenstar> "She holds the brass wheel of a Buddhitanka coin between her fingers, and thinks." 22:50 < Evenstar> that's one the OTC sent her? 22:50 < Teceler> (not 'with takkarash'?) 22:50 <@Sonata> (i dithered over that phrasing a bit and am still not sure i got it right) 22:51 <@Sonata> how many separate buddhitanka coins did the otc send just now? 22:51 < Evenstar> One. 22:51 < Evenstar> One ten-thousand BT coin. 22:51 <@Sonata> ...should be one one-thousand 22:51 < Evenstar> er, one thousand. 22:51 < Evenstar> >.> 22:51 < Evenstar> I did get the denomination right in the post 22:52 <@Sonata> so. having asked for 1000 bt and received one coin, she correctly infers that this coin has a denomination of 1000 bt. 22:52 <@Sonata> she wants to redeem her bt one at a time, so rather than redeem /this coin/, she instead replies with a question about converting denominations. 22:53 < Evenstar> Sonata: Elided over with an edit 22:53 <@Sonata> unless the coin spontaneously converts as soon as she want to access individuals. 22:53 < Evenstar> Sonata: It would give her change. 22:53 <@Sonata> Okay, thanks. 22:57 <@Sonata> Evenstar, tag 22:59 -!- PDV is now known as PDVanished 23:08 < Evenstar> Tag, Sonata 23:09 < Andygal> I think 2 works for watchful. 23:09 < Andygal> and 1 is better for melancholy 23:10 -!- PDVanished is now known as PDV 23:13 <@Sonata> Andygal, ? 23:13 < Verdancy> Correspondence thing 23:14 < Teceler> mischan 23:14 < Verdancy> Teceler is debating about icons 23:14 < Verdancy> yeah 23:14 < Andygal> wrong channel sorry. 23:22 <@Sonata> Evenstar, possibly-not-a-tag because doesn't necessarily call for you to post a response, though you might have something clever in mind I'm not aware of 23:46 -!- Evenstar has quit 23:56 -!- sigma_away is now known as sigma --- Day changed Tue Aug 25 2015 00:02 < sigma> I'm back, I owe two forum tags with XN 00:02 < Verdancy> WB Sigma! 00:03 <@Sonata> wb sigma 00:03 < Teceler> wb sigma 00:04 -!- sigma has quit 00:04 -!- sigma has joined #backstage 00:06 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 00:13 < sigma> "journey cloths, earth rotation? extremely dangerous, DO NOT DO THIS" 00:13 < sigma> Ahahaha 00:14 < Verdancy> pfft 00:15 < Teceler> hm? 00:15 <@Sonata> Ahrotahn was notebooking to try to figure out how to mirrors, and I posted her notes. 00:15 < Teceler> oh 00:16 < Teceler> journey cloths = ? 00:16 <@Sonata> a thing from Uru, means of interworld travel that don't follow the usual rules about how moving destinations work 00:17 < Teceler> ah 00:19 < sigma> Forum tag, Verdancy. 00:21 < sigma> Teceler, is Tyche satisfied with the PMs? 00:21 < Teceler> I think ze's done, yeah. ze might contact them again if ze wants to try sending something, but 00:21 < Teceler> they have Lurker with MPA, so 00:24 < sigma> Indeed. 00:25 < sigma> Well, if they need to move large or hazardous items, the option's there. 00:25 * Teceler nods. 00:27 < sigma> (MPA: great for spellbooks, not for rainstorms.) 00:27 < Teceler> (pffffft) 00:28 <@Sonata> I think I might have figured out a really heavy nerf for XN, fixes the BOXED PACKAGE problem but also severely interferes with all forms of industrial applications for XN 00:28 < Teceler> I thought BOXED PACKAGE was fixed by just 'too vague'? 00:28 <@Sonata> possibly 00:30 < sigma> What nerf do you have in mind? 00:30 <@Sonata> Ahrotahn posted asking about it 00:30 <@Sonata> but basically if you interpret the 'same equilibrators are same' rule broadly enough 00:30 <@Sonata> you can't reuse a puzzle-solution, basically 00:31 <@Sonata> so BOXED PACKAGE only works once 00:31 <@Sonata> as does everything else 00:31 < Andygal> I think that's not necessary. 00:31 < Andygal> we fixed that issue already 00:31 <@Sonata> ok 00:32 < Teceler> that kind of defeats the purpose for trading yeah 00:32 < sigma> Ah, yeah, no. The same descriptors and equilibrators again swap something else, never the same thing again. 00:32 <@Sonata> ok 00:33 <@Sonata> ANAGRAM is redundant with SCRABBLE, seems like? 00:33 <@Sonata> ...except that you can swapback 00:33 * Sonata goes to ask about that 00:33 < Teceler> also extra equilibrators are helpful iirc? 00:34 < Andygal> I think so yeah 00:34 <@Sonata> I mean, anything you can do with ANAGRAM you can do with SCRABBLE 00:34 * Teceler nods. 00:34 <@Sonata> since anagrams always have the same scrabble value 00:35 < sigma> The IC section hasn't mentioned about extra equilibrators yet, I've got that in reserve. 00:37 < sigma> Yes, the anagram equilibrator is basically a special case of Scrabble. Mostly only useful if you want a second of the same equilibrator. Also just it's easier for people to calculate. 00:38 < sigma> Really I just put it there to give more of a sense of what equilibration is? 00:38 <@Sonata> oh I misremembered, can't swapback the same pair of objects even with different descriptors/equilibrators 00:39 < sigma> Unless you change the objects so the original doesn't work, yeah. 00:40 < sigma> That's the current ruling, I guess I could be persuaded to change it for consistency or fun? If there's an argument for that 00:40 <@Sonata> *shrug* 00:40 < Teceler> I mean, you could get the same objects back to their original spots with a third party anyway I think? unless that gets noped for some reason? 00:41 <@Sonata> i think that's difficult enough to probably be allowed 00:42 < sigma> Futurama Theorem type swapping is allowed, yes. 00:42 < sigma> So that's probably fine. 00:43 -!- Sky has quit 00:45 < sigma> Responded to Ahrotahn. 00:45 * Sonata is going to bed soon but ~~~~ 00:49 <@Sonata> sigma, forumtag 00:52 < sigma> Oh dear, I've got to run this one with manipulatives to figure it out. :) 00:54 <@Sonata> is it reasonably clear what physical action I mean by 'swap the top halves'? 00:55 <@Sonata> blocks AA and BB, cut them in half to make A A and B B, put the tops down on the wrong bottoms to make whole blocks BA and AB 00:59 < sigma> I think I follow that part, yeah. 01:00 < sigma> Next is figuring out what the lab techs see if they do that a few times. 01:00 <@Sonata> haha 01:01 <@Sonata> (if the phrase "ship of Theseus paradox" translated suitably, that might suggest a different test) 01:02 <@Sonata> goodnight. 01:02 -!- Sonata has quit 01:02 < Teceler> good night sonata 01:02 < Teceler> oh too late 01:02 < sigma> We're too late! 01:03 -!- PDV has quit 01:04 < sigma> Yup, it's bedtime for the MWF again. 01:04 < Andygal> looks like. 01:04 < sigma> I'm going to sleep on this Ship of Theseus puzzle. 01:05 < Verdancy> Good night Sigma. Also everyone else I missed. 01:05 < sigma> Good night! 01:05 < Verdancy> Sleep well. 01:05 -!- sigma has quit 01:05 < Teceler> sleep wel sigma 01:05 < Teceler> ...sigh 01:06 < Verdancy> ...it's okay, I missed like five people 01:06 < Verdancy> hugs? 01:06 < Teceler> hugs are not particularly needed but always welcome 01:07 < Verdancy> aww 01:07 < Verdancy> okay. 01:07 < Verdancy> ...that was a 'that is sweet' aww, not a disappointed aww 01:07 < Teceler> I figured XD 01:07 < Verdancy> okay :) 01:11 < Teceler> ...I should have gone to sleep 40 minutes ago 01:11 < Verdancy> yyyeah me too 01:11 < Teceler> um 01:11 < Teceler> let's go sleep then? 01:12 < Teceler> I will continue trying to icon tommorow 01:12 < Verdancy> sounds like a plan. 01:12 < Teceler> okay 01:12 < Teceler> good night all 01:13 < Verdancy> Also good night, because apparently we are in the same time zone 01:13 < Teceler> XD 01:13 -!- Verdancy is now known as VerdanZzz 01:13 < Teceler> sleep well 01:13 < VerdanZzz> Good night, MWF. Good night. 01:13 < Teceler> XD 01:13 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Asleep 01:13 < VerdanZzz> (thanks you too <3) 01:13 * Teceler|Asleep :) 01:13 < VerdanZzz> :) 01:13 * VerdanZzz snuggles into bed 01:35 -!- tecephone has quit 01:36 -!- Eva has joined #backstage 01:36 -!- Eva is now known as evenstar 01:36 -!- evenstar is now known as Evenstar 01:36 < Evenstar> Hi again all 01:37 < Andygal> Hi Evenstar 01:37 < Evenstar> So yes, I have just discovered what OTC does when it needs to fix really bad situations. 01:38 < Evenstar> It says 'okay, this area is part of my universe now, and i make the rules' 01:38 < Evenstar> And then it fixes it. 01:38 < Evenstar> And then resets physics etc back to what they were. 01:39 < Evenstar> (be glad that OTC is amoral or else it would be really astonishingly tremendous fire) 01:39 < Andygal> ... 01:40 < Andygal> what is the physics are a realy bad stituation? 01:40 < Evenstar> Then it fixes the physics because something clearly went really horribly wrong. 01:41 < Evenstar> (Like, say, Mania or Thirteenth Hour infection) 01:42 < Andygal> the OTC is at least /responsibly/ amoral. 01:42 < Evenstar> Yes, since it has shareholders :P 01:43 < Evenstar> Anyway I should sleep 01:43 < Evenstar> i don't knoe why I exist here 01:44 < Evenstar> night all 01:44 < Andygal> goodnight. 01:47 -!- Evenstar has quit 02:58 -!- VerdanZzz has quit
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