Post by Mother Starlight on Nov 27, 2015 18:43:53 GMT
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10:54 <@Sonata> Does someone want to look at my current iconset for Unqualiafied and tell me if I'm imagining things with the 'this person looks familiar'?
10:54 <@Sonata> https://unqualiafied.dreamwidth.org/icons
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16:38 < Andygal> ...
16:39 <@Adelene> ?
16:40 < Andygal> chat is dead.
16:41 <@Adelene> mmhmm
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18:10 < Faceless> Salutations
18:10 < Teceler> hello
18:15 < Faceless> o/
18:16 < Faceless> what are you up to in this fine night?
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19:32 < Faceless> hi sonata
19:32 <@Sonata> hi
19:32 < Faceless> how is unqualified shaping up to be?
19:32 <@Sonata> not thought much about it more since last discussed
19:33 <@Sonata> except I'm thinking the magic needs to have some sort of range limit
19:33 <@Sonata> but not a sharp threshold, a gradual harder/costlier with distance
19:33 < Faceless> ok
19:33 < Faceless> ...that world is really starting to make me uncomfortable
19:35 <@Sonata> it's definitely not a good world to live in
19:36 <@Sonata> but is it more/different than that?
19:36 <@Sonata> like
19:36 <@Sonata> there's bad like chelsea, and then there's bad like erocentrism
19:36 < Faceless> well, yes
19:37 <@Sonata> is it that meta/ooc kind of bad?
19:37 <@Sonata> or some other thing
19:37 < Faceless> wait, which is worse? last I heard it wasn't as bad as either?
19:37 < Faceless> more ooc kind of bad
19:37 < Faceless> albeit let me consult what my character think
19:37 < Teceler> Faceless, they're less degrees and more categories
19:37 * Faceless checks
19:37 < Teceler> like
19:37 < Teceler> [words]
19:38 < Faceless> every single one is screaming because of that word, except for Gabe, which is expected
19:38 < Faceless> Teceler, chelsea-bad is goal driven and erocentrism-bad is pleasure driven?
19:38 < Teceler> no
19:39 < Teceler> like, Chelsea-bad is... upsetting, but story-layer? whereas erocentrism was upsetting people in more than 'I care about this character and this is not good for them' way ooc
19:39 < Teceler> that's not quite it but closer at least I hope?
19:41 <@Adelene> Chelsea was Lawful Evil, Erocentrism was a bad failure mode of Chaotic Good.
19:41 < Faceless> huh, I understand what you meant, but Chelsea-bad also made me ooc uncomfortable? albeit not in the same level as erocentrism?
19:43 < Faceless> Adelene, that description is almost too accurate
19:43 <@Adelene> :)
19:43 <@Sonata> the distinction i was trying to get at was
19:44 <@Sonata> chelsea is a creepy character, erocentrism implies a creepy author
19:44 < Faceless> ah
19:44 <@Sonata> bad like mordor vs bad like gor
19:44 < Faceless> gor?
19:45 <@Sonata> if you don't know, treasure your innocence
19:45 <@Adelene> You probably don't want to know. :P
19:45 < Faceless> Sonata, I don't think less of you because of the setting.
19:45 <@Sonata> (will afk soon because food)
19:45 < Faceless> ok
19:45 <@Sonata> anyway
19:45 <@Sonata> my original goal was to try to clarify what you meant by
19:45 < Faceless> it makes me feel ooc bad, but just in about the same way any good-but-painful story makes me feel bad?
19:46 <@Sonata> > ...that world is really starting to make me uncomfortable
19:46 <@Adelene> In unrelated news, my brain continues to be confused at the idea of charaters that are not awake.
19:46 < Faceless> Sonata, I didn't meant that way, hopefully the confusion is cleared?
19:46 <@Sonata> yeah
19:46 <@Sonata> thanks
19:46 <@Sonata> so it's like
19:46 <@Sonata> mmm
19:47 < Faceless> Adelene, what do you mean?
19:47 <@Sonata> 'am irl unhappy because SLAIN WITH THE FEELS'
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19:47 <@Adelene> We've moved into the Interacting With Elves portion of the Third Vorkosigan thread, and Swiftness Wintercloud promptly took up residence in the back of my head.
19:48 <@Adelene> He and Lurker would actually get along quite well if he wasn't a crazy elf and she wasn't a filthy kobold. ^^
19:48 < Faceless> aaaah, I got busy and distracted with the Worm threads and forgot to read the portalbold thread >.>
19:49 <@Adelene> Well, go do. ^^
19:49 < Andygal> Ade: XD
19:50 < Faceless> I will soon-ish, but first a question: Wintercloud is a MLP pegasus or something?
19:50 <@Adelene> Wintercloud is a Carp elf.
19:50 < Faceless> ah
19:50 < Faceless> Ah
19:50 < Faceless> AAAAAH
19:50 < Faceless> o.o
19:50 < Andygal> xD
19:50 <@Adelene> *giggle* *nod*
19:51 * Faceless offers hugs for lurker
19:51 <@Adelene> Lurker noped out like five minutes before he even showed up. ^^
19:52 < Faceless> ok, gonna read it
19:52 < Faceless> but before, anyone can give sugestions for a book related screen name?
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20:12 <@Sonata> 'book' is kind of broad, is there anything else about the character to cleverly cross-over with?
20:15 < Faceless> The "Sophia Prime" comes from a very traditionally religious family, is very shy and tends to lack a backbone (the general idea is having her eventually growing one), she /loves/ books and tends to get books/writing related powers (sometimes paper-related powers)
20:16 < Faceless> one of the first things noticeable about her is how she is /very/ tall and makes everything to make herself small and divert attention from herself
20:17 < Faceless> she however does have something of a... good moral center? and won't shy away when another person is getting hurt
20:17 < Faceless> huh, oh, she is Franklyn's mom (Of All Trades)
20:18 < Faceless> sounds like the most important traits so far
20:21 <@Sonata> *brainstorming* ... bible, canon/rod, lex/law
20:22 < Faceless> rod?
20:22 <@Sonata> libra ("book", also suggests scales->justice)
20:22 <@Sonata> "canon" etymologically means something like "measuring rod"
20:26 < Faceless> ah
20:26 < Faceless> hmmm
20:27 < Faceless> I am liking libra for something, maybe if I can find or make a phrase with it
20:31 < Faceless> "free in a book" google translated to "liberum in libro"
20:43 < Faceless> huh, that sounds like best idea I came up so far I tried other combinations, but no other had a nice ring to it
20:44 < Andygal> It's cool.
20:45 < Faceless> thanks ^^
20:45 < Faceless> I don't suppose anyone here knows latim to tell me if the setence is correct?
20:45 < Faceless> sentence*
20:50 <@Sonata> I don't
20:50 <@Sonata> you might try looking up the individual words on wiktionary?
20:52 < Faceless> I think I know someone that does know latim, but he isn't online
21:14 < Andygal> I don't remember enough Latin, sorry.
21:33 < Faceless> thanks, he logged in and is helping
21:35 < Faceless> the current options is "Libera in Libro" or "In Libro Libera" apparently there should be some marks that DW doesn't provide anyway, and I like the ambiguity
21:37 <@Sonata> I think I like In Libro Libera better of those two
21:40 < Faceless> yeah, we are just talking about it
21:40 < Faceless> because it sounds like philosopher's quote
21:40 < Faceless> (it has similar structure to in vino veritas)
21:43 < Andygal> Heh
21:45 * Adelene is quite pleased with Swiftness Wintercloud. ^^
21:46 < Faceless> Oh, right, I should go back to that thread
21:46 < Faceless> why Sebastian Stan's face is so distractable? Inquiring minds want to know
21:47 <@Adelene> hee
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22:13 < Faceless> Horrible mistake: picturing Wintercloud as Legolas!Orlando Bloom making weird faces at the camera
22:14 <@Sleepdelene> pfffft
22:34 < Andygal> pfffft
22:34 < Faceless> XD
22:35 < Faceless> I know he belongs to a horrible person, but a sloth bear mount is ridiculous cute
22:35 <@Sonata> slothbears, beaverducks, are we sure we're not in atlaverse?
22:37 < Faceless> someone try bending!
22:40 <@Sonata> I can bend my elbows
22:40 < Faceless> the art of jointbending
22:44 < Andygal> pffffthahaha
22:58 < Faceless> I have to go sleep
22:58 < Faceless> good night o/
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Post by Mother Starlight on Nov 27, 2015 18:45:16 GMT
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12:49 <@Sonata> omg toasted fried garlic
12:56 < Andygal> OMG
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14:45 < Faceless> hello o/
14:45 <@Sonata> hi
14:45 < Faceless> how are things?
14:46 <@Sonata> good
14:47 < Faceless> great ^_^
14:47 < Faceless> How far you guys have tried out marri's glowfic site?
14:48 <@Sonata> I've signed up and added a couple of characters
14:49 <@Sonata> including bringing over one full iconset
14:50 < Andygal> I've seen it.
14:50 < Andygal> it's a great idea.
14:51 < Faceless> Proserpina is a human version of Rarity?
14:51 <@Sonata> yeah
14:51 <@Sonata> specifically for potterverse type worlds
14:51 < Faceless> cool
14:51 < Andygal> cool.
14:52 < Faceless> that name is very... purebloodish
14:53 <@Sonata> I'm not totally decided about her blood status
14:53 <@Sonata> currently I'm thinking she's second-generation magical, parents both muggleborn
14:53 <@Sonata> not sure what to do about the name
14:53 < Faceless> simple
14:53 <@Sonata> She's definitely Slytherin, though.
14:53 < Faceless> they tried to give her a pureblood name so she wouldn't be discriminated
14:59 <@Sonata> I don't think so
14:59 <@Sonata> Original Rarity's parents are embarrassing hicks.
15:00 <@Sonata> I think Proserpina must have chosen her own name.
15:00 <@Sonata> Or maybe chosen for her by pureblooded childhood friends.
15:01 <@Sonata> (Who may or may not have been playing a mean prank by giving her a horse's name.)
15:01 < Faceless> horse's name from where?
15:01 <@Sonata> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incitatus
15:01 <@Sonata> Roman Senator under Caligula.
15:13 < Faceless> ah, ok
15:13 < Faceless> what proserpina usually gets into?
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22:17 < Teceler> hello Evenstar!
22:17 * Evenstar has just come up from air because Papers Week
22:17 < Evenstar> *for
22:17 * Evenstar waves to Teceler
22:17 < Teceler> ouch
22:18 < Teceler> I hope that's over, or nearly so?
22:18 < Evenstar> Closeish
22:19 < Evenstar> Finals in two weeks (yay?)
22:20 * Evenstar examines Unbitwise's magic system
22:20 < Andygal> Hi Evenstar!
22:20 < Teceler> good luck
22:20 < Evenstar> I feel like Isabella + Claiming would result in interesting things also hi Andygal
22:20 < Evenstar> <3 you all :3
22:21 < Teceler> ...yeah I can imagine that
22:21 < Faceless> hi tevenstar
22:22 < Faceless> what is up with Isabella and claiming?
22:26 < Evenstar> Well
22:27 < Evenstar> Claiming is all about 'this is mine'
22:27 < Evenstar> and it works on familiarity and extending one's sense of self
22:27 < Evenstar> And it has a strong mental-practice element.
22:27 < Evenstar> Isabella interacts with this in interesting ways, because 1:
22:28 < Evenstar> Isabella is Very Insistent about what is Hers.
22:28 < Evenstar> 2: Isabella has practice with Memnodynes, which give her a power much like claiming over things biological
22:29 < Evenstar> 3: Memnodynes incorporate similar modes of ritual practice to Claiming.
22:30 < Evenstar> 4: Isabella's sense-of-self is already nonstandard in some ways due to her habitual Memnodyne use and controlling nature.
22:34 < Faceless> So she would like, get tons of claimed stuff and master the art and rule the world bwahahaha?
22:34 < Andygal> hahaha
22:34 < Teceler> pft
22:35 < Evenstar> Faceless: Well, Memnodynes are kind of designed to break most combinations of magic system :P
22:36 < Evenstar> But nah, mostly I think it would be mutual confusion between her and her teacher as they both go 'wait, magic doesn't work like that'
22:36 < Evenstar> And then Isabella being horrified that her own body is considered 'unclaimed'
22:36 < Evenstar> and then some rapid-fire mass-claiming attempts that might or might not go horribly wrong
22:37 < Teceler> oh dear
22:38 < Evenstar> (It depends on how claiming works.)
22:38 < Faceless> teceler, I take your words and repeat them
22:38 < Faceless> would Isabella be able to channel her memmodynes through claimed stuff?
22:38 < Faceless> I think the correct term is kortarem?
22:39 < Evenstar> Faceless: Yes, but she would need lots of practice first, at least a year's worth.
22:39 < Evenstar> It would be totally worth it of course
22:39 < Evenstar> but the point of Isabella's magic system is that it can replace any tool with mental effort, given enough time and persistence
22:40 < Evenstar> It's the 'time and persistence' part that's hard.
22:40 < Faceless> and will power too?
22:40 < Evenstar> Koratem is just a new, nonintuitive tool for Isabella to build a Memnos of.
22:40 < Evenstar> The willpower part is there, but minimized.
22:41 < Evenstar> You don't need to be good at staring contests to be a Magecrafter.
22:41 < Evenstar> (It helps, but it's not required.)
22:41 < Evenstar> (Useful secondary skill.)
22:42 < Evenstar> Will's much more important for shamanism, the OTHER Gap!magic system.
22:43 < Faceless> I asked because of that sandbox with The Lord Ruler
22:43 < Faceless> where you used and abused of willpower compounding
22:43 < Evenstar> Faceless: Yep!
22:43 < Andygal> heeeee.
22:43 < Evenstar> It's like giving a firefighter the ability to fly.
22:44 < Evenstar> Is it technically necessary for their job? Nope.
22:44 < Evenstar> Does it help a LOT? Yep.
22:44 < Andygal> TLR canonically abuses magic systems horribly.
22:46 < Faceless> god...
22:46 < Faceless> TLR with claiming stuff magic o.o
22:46 < Faceless> RUIN WITH CLAIMING STUFF MAGIC!
22:46 <@Adelene> Oh Evenstar. Not now but sometime, I'm curious what happens if Portalbold finds the OTC.
22:46 < Evenstar> The one that ended up in Ardelay-land?
22:46 < Faceless> Adelene, correction, WE are curious. That sounds fun.
22:46 <@Adelene> :D
22:47 <@Adelene> The one that ended up with the Ardelays is an instance of the class, yes.
22:47 < Evenstar> Sure, I can probably run that
22:48 < Evenstar> If you want to start that thread I will post in it
22:48 <@Adelene> *nod*
22:48 < Evenstar> (I make no promises that I will do so on any sort of reasonable schedule, though. :P)
22:48 < Evenstar> ('Cause, y'know, finals.)
22:48 <@Adelene> Not right now, anyway, I don't have enough brain.
22:51 * Faceless offers brain-hugs
22:51 < Faceless> Evenstar, how many of the dreaded finals are left?
22:53 < Evenstar> All of them
22:53 < Evenstar> Because they don't start for another few weeks
22:53 < Evenstar> (in december)
22:53 < Faceless> Ah, that is a whole lot of dread finals, good luck >.>
22:54 < Andygal> Yeah. Good luck.
22:54 < Evenstar> (At least creative writing doesn't have a final :P)
22:56 < Teceler> (...I am now trying to imagine what a Creative Writing final would look like)
22:58 < Faceless> what is creative writing as opposed to... writing? If you don't mind the dumb question.
22:58 < Evenstar> I believe it sounds like this
22:58 < Evenstar> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogPZ5CY9KoM
22:58 < Evenstar> Faceless: What it really means so far as I can tell is 'Short Story Writing'
23:05 < Faceless> I shouldn't be surprised that monty python produced that
23:09 < Faceless> the otc doesn't provide interdimensional travel?
23:10 < Evenstar> Faceless: As a general rule, no
23:10 < Evenstar> They like their interdimensional trade monopoly
23:11 < Evenstar> Of course, shameless bribery will get you everywhere with the OTC
23:11 < Evenstar> but it's one of their higher-priced items at the very least
23:13 < Faceless> huh. I have been actually considering giving a character interdimensional travel powers, but it feels like... cheating xP
23:13 <@Adelene> I'm a little bit curious how they're going to react to Lurker showing up with it. Particularly since for the most part she doesn't need anything. (The instance of her that's facilitating the Third Vorkosigan has a translation necklace, but by default she doesn't and would want one; beyond that, though, not really.)
23:14 <@Adelene> I'm suspicious that they'll try to hire her, which is an amusing prospect considering. ^^
23:14 < Faceless> Adelene, could we set something like offscreen kobold travel services?
23:14 <@Adelene> hm?
23:15 <@Adelene> If you want Portalbold facilitating someone to go somewhere for sandbox purposes, sure, I don't mind that. It's not entirely obvious how that'd work without being needlessly complicated though.
23:15 < Faceless> the main reason I want interdimensional travel is so my characters could go over Telra (The bluestream world)
23:16 < Evenstar> Faceless: Well, there's always Astra
23:16 < Evenstar> (:3)
23:16 <@Adelene> Lurker has aiming problems, is the thing - you'd need either a pre-existing way for them to get her there once, or a good reason for them to be asking her to open portals to random places.
23:16 < Evenstar> (Owing a favor to the death goddess couldn't possibly be a bad idea)
23:17 < Faceless> Evenstar, what she would want in exchange?
23:17 < Evenstar> Probably nothing!
23:18 < Evenstar> Like, legitimately.
23:18 < Evenstar> Astra cares more about your opinion of her than any small service you could do her.
23:19 < Evenstar> It's just
23:19 < Faceless> opinion in what sense? o.o
23:19 < Evenstar> do you want to get into the habit of relying on an Excrucian for casual planar travel?
23:19 < Evenstar> Faceless: She actually cares about wether you regard her as a friend/nice/etc
23:20 < Evenstar> It's just that she has a moral compass firmly fixed on 'the continued existence of you and your universe is an atrocity'
23:20 < Faceless> Evenstar, to be honest... CFW is rather scared of her.
23:21 <@Adelene> (Actually, Evenstar, I expect OTC to be VERY interested in Lurker's portal magic, since she can not only open portals to random worlds, but she can specify things about what the random world is like.)
23:21 < Andygal> Astra is polite, but very very blue and orange.
23:21 < Evenstar> (That is the kind of thing that they would pay many monies for)
23:21 < Faceless> Andygal, I am noticing
23:22 <@Adelene> (They would! Lurker is /deeply uncomfortable/ with that sort of offer. Blue and orange morality vs. yellow and purple morality, yay! \o/ ^^ )
23:22 < Faceless> Tama's interworld travel wouldn't be random, but it would require some coordination and she has zero interest in doing it frequently
23:23 < Faceless> Adelene, pfft, lurker is the best
23:23 <@Adelene> :D
23:23 < Evenstar> Astra is of the opinion that it's not your fault that you exist, so she can't blame you for it
23:23 < Evenstar> (Unless you're, like, a deity, in which case she might blame you)
23:24 < Evenstar> But she generally regards most people in the sort of way you might regard a cat.
23:24 < Faceless> Evenstar, what about suicide and parenting?
23:24 < Evenstar> If the cat clearly wants something, she indulges it, but she doesn't really care much about the cat's opinions save that the cat keeps listening to her.
23:25 < Evenstar> Faceless: It's not people's fault that they're born with instincts that make them want to survive/have kids.
23:25 < Evenstar> Suicide is a supererogatory duty for residents of creation in her value system.
23:26 < Evenstar> Like, she'll applaud you for it if you decide to not have children/commit suicide, but that's your descision.
23:26 < Faceless> wait,the cat is supposed to mean Tama or it is a metaphorical cat?
23:26 < Andygal> It's a metaphorical cat.
23:26 < Evenstar> Faceless: Metaphorical non-magic cat.
23:27 < Faceless> ok, sorry
23:27 < Faceless> I am a bit sleepy
23:27 < Evenstar> It's no problem
23:28 <@Adelene> ...OTC would totally consider Portalbold a deity, huh. That will be Interesting.
23:28 < Evenstar> It's just that Astra essentially gives most people the same moral weight that we give animals
23:28 < Faceless> MWF/Glowfic should do that pantheon thing that Tvtropes does!
23:28 < Evenstar> sure, we have some weight, it's just
23:28 < Faceless> Lurker! Deity of Scritches and Kobolds!
23:28 <@Adelene> heee ^^
23:29 <@Adelene> That's not the sense I meant, but. ^^
23:30 < Evenstar> Astra doesn't really consider mortals to be in control of their own lives enough to be responsible for their actions. (In the broader picture - she still will condemn a warlord for the same sorts of reasons you might call a maneating tiger a menace.)
23:31 < Faceless> not sure if I understand
23:31 < Evenstar> Like
23:31 < Teceler> ...but the warlord is making people not exist?
23:31 < Evenstar> If a cat knocks a vase off your shelf, you blame the cat a little, but on the other hand, it's just a cat, it doesn't really know what it's doing.
23:31 <@Adelene> (I meant more that if she's interacting with them on that scale and they don't /completely/ fuck it up, she's going to need to go have a think about what she wants to do with this absurd and unprecedented amount of power.)
23:31 < Evenstar> Teceler: But in doing so he's causing suffering, and Astra does actually care about that.
23:32 < Teceler> point
23:32 < Evenstar> If I could summarize Astra's worldview:
23:32 < Evenstar> 1: Suffering is bad.
23:32 < Evenstar> 2: Only things that exist suffer.
23:32 < Evenstar> 3: Therefore, nothing should exist.
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23:32 < Evenstar> 4: Therefore, Creation should succumb to the Not.
23:33 < Evenstar> The points that most people disagree with are 2 and 3.
23:34 < Evenstar> Astra contends that she has proof of 2 as a being that doesn't exist (weird Excrucian Metaphysics woooo)
23:35 < Evenstar> Astra is sympathetic to arguments that 'we have enough nice things to justify suffering', but she won't budge from the position that life in the Not is infinitely better than life in Creation.
23:37 < Evenstar> (A roughly-analogous argument: "I have returned from heaven, it was awesome, I want to kill everybody so that they can get into Heaven faster.")
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23:37 < Faceless> What miss I did?
23:37 < Faceless> what did I miss?*
23:37 < Teceler> aw, you came in right after the line that would be hilarious to come in to
23:37 < Evenstar> (A roughly-analogous argument: "I have returned from heaven, it was awesome, I want to kill everybody so that they can get into Heaven faster.")
23:37 < Teceler> what was the last thing you saw?
23:38 < Faceless> some started a list with a 1?
23:38 < Teceler> irc-pmed
23:41 < Faceless> ok
23:41 < Faceless> very blue orange
23:41 < Faceless> what are Not metaphysics?
23:41 < Evenstar> Not: The place outside Creation that only Excrucians can perceive.
23:41 < Teceler> semi-joke answer: they aren't
23:41 < Evenstar> Or maybe they're lying.
23:42 < Evenstar> Maybe there really isn't anything out there.
23:42 < Evenstar> Or maybe nto.
23:42 < Evenstar> *not.
23:42 < Evenstar> Not?
23:42 < Evenstar> :P
23:42 < Faceless> xD
23:43 < Andygal> XD
23:45 < Faceless> ah, Evenstar, a question
23:45 < Evenstar> Yes?
23:45 < Faceless> I might start posting a character that is the gestalt super-intelligence hivemind of Mars
23:45 < Faceless> how much Buddhitanka should such being be able to create?
23:46 < Evenstar> Lots.
23:47 < Faceless> it has figured out "vector manipulation" which as far I can tell translates into "martians can have telekinesis" and FTL plus a bunch of stuff xP
23:47 < Evenstar> But on the scale of superminds... More or less intelligent than a TITAN?
23:47 < Faceless> huh, I am unsure, do you have examples of things that TITAN can do?
23:47 < Teceler> ...Faceless I should point out that there's a very good reason I have not let the Prometheans at the forum
23:48 < Faceless> teceler?
23:48 < Teceler> (the reason is: /so much fire/)
23:50 < Evenstar> I dunno
23:50 < Faceless> ah
23:50 < Faceless> urgh, better scrap the idea off
23:51 < Teceler> sorry
23:51 < Teceler> it's an interesting idea! but you need to keep it fairly inaccessiable to the forum or very busy, I think
23:52 < Andygal> Uh-huh.
23:52 < Teceler> (like, they're only involved via forum inaccessible)
23:52 < Faceless> my general idea was that it takes a "extremely high bandwitch connection" for it to access the forum
23:53 < Evenstar> "high bandwitch"
23:53 < Faceless> which for Mars likely means something like channeling a percentage of the sun's power or some sort of similar impressive technobabble
23:53 < Evenstar> Please tell me that was deliberate
23:53 < Teceler> pffft
23:53 < Faceless> It was deliberate
23:54 < Faceless> and not in anyway caused by me
23:54 < Evenstar> <3
23:54 < Faceless> being too tired to stay with my eyes open
23:54 < Teceler> do you need to go sleep Faceless?
23:54 < Faceless> Yes, but I don't waaanaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
23:59 < Faceless> urgh, fine! you win this time body!
23:59 < Evenstar> Listen to the body
23:59 < Teceler> sleep well
23:59 < Faceless> going to bed
23:59 < Evenstar> it is annoying I know
23:59 < Faceless> thanks people, have a pleasant too o/
23:59 < Evenstar> but it tells you things that are important
23:59 < Evenstar> on that note
23:59 < Evenstar> goodnight
23:59 < Evenstar> I also should be asleep >.>
23:59 <@Adelene> Sleep well, Faceless.
23:59 < Faceless> \o
23:59 < Faceless> thanks
23:59 < Evenstar> o/
23:59 <@Adelene> You too, Evenstar.
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00:00 < Evenstar> night all
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00:00 < Teceler> sleepw wll evenstar
00:00 < Teceler> oh, too later
00:00 < Teceler> *late
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01:33 < Teceler> mm. I'm going to go sleep too now, I think
01:33 < Andygal> Night Tec!
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01:34 * Teceler|Asleep actually remembered to do that XD
01:34 * Teceler|Asleep good nights
01:34 * Teceler|Asleep may have typoed that as god nights to start with
Post by Mother Starlight on Nov 28, 2015 18:14:58 GMT
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07:34 < MrFaceless> o/
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11:08 <@Sonata> note to self: Proserpina Incitatus's birth name is Cora Swift
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11:43 < Teceler> pft
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16:39 < Faceless> hi!
16:40 <@Sonata> hi
16:42 < Faceless> hi sonata! how are things?
16:43 <@Sonata> pretty good
16:48 < Faceless> yay, news?
16:48 <@Sonata> not much
16:57 < Faceless> "I may be mortal, but I am hardly so uncultured as to object to people appearing suddenly."
16:58 < Faceless> not sure if I understood this sonata
16:58 <@Sonata> possibly I misfollowed the preceding thread
16:58 <@Sonata> but she's a Slytherin Hogwarts Rarity
16:58 <@Sonata> and /very/ concerned about her image as Not One Of The Muggles
17:01 < Faceless> appearing means apparating?
17:01 <@Sonata> yeah
17:01 <@Sonata> or at least, that's how she interpreted 'appearing suddenly' and 'mortals' being weirded out about it
17:02 <@Adelene> Appearing is the thing you do at the place you're going to when you teleport. Apparition is a form of teleportation.
17:02 < Faceless> aaaaaaaaaah
17:02 < Faceless> got it, the euphemism flew over her head
17:02 <@Adelene> (It's also used for other kinds of arriving, more metaphorically.)
17:04 < Andygal> You are allowed to make mistakes.
17:04 < Andygal> My dad has a friend in Brazil, we always tell her that when our Portugese is as good as her English then maybe she can be embarrassed about her English. :)
17:07 < Faceless> I think my mistake is that I forgot about Constatine's post
17:07 < Faceless> and my brain parsed as Proserpina just randomly talking about appearing
17:07 < Faceless> instead of referencing "appearing johns"
17:09 <@Sonata> Flew over my head too.
17:09 < Faceless> seriously? o.o
17:09 <@Sonata> Definitely missed the context I would have needed.
17:10 <@Sonata> ...on further investigation I'm not sure the context /was/ there
17:10 <@Sonata> that was JC's first post in the thread, wasn't it?
17:10 <@Sonata> so he was actually literally arriving
17:11 < Faceless> yeah, but Alli then made a doubl entendre
17:11 <@Sonata> ...oh /dear/
17:14 < Faceless> which afterwards temperance made a comment relevant due to the her nature as witch, then genie and fenris posted in general agreement ^^
17:15 <@Sonata> Yep, I see it now.
17:15 < Faceless> Sorry :/
17:16 <@Sonata> Nah, it's fine.
17:19 < Faceless> huh, how proserpina is doing under this revelation?
17:23 * Sonata is behind on the thread
17:24 <@Sonata> ...there doesn't seem to be a new post after her last.
17:24 <@Sonata> So she's still in the dark atm.
17:25 <@Sonata> But she'll take it more or less in stride.
17:26 < Faceless> yeah, I meant more the meta!prosperina
17:26 < Faceless> or the meta!rarity?
17:26 < Faceless> you know what I mean
17:27 <@Sonata> Meta!Proserpina seems to have decided that sexual hangups are a Muggle thing, and dick jokes rather lose their titillating edge if one is getting laid regularly.
17:28 <@Sonata> One doesn't gossip in fervent whispers about what one had for lunch; why should lovers be any different?
17:28 <@Sonata> s/fervent/furtive/
17:32 < Faceless> ...
17:33 < Faceless> you realize that this makes me want
17:33 < Faceless> seeing Proserpina saying those words to Alli?
17:33 < Faceless> That sounds like a glorious catastrophe
17:33 <@Sonata> That's not too hard to arrange, I think
17:35 < Andygal> (cackle)
17:35 < Faceless> xD3
17:35 <@Sonata> I think your emoticon is suffering from ballsonchinitis
17:39 <@Sonata> The first step is someone has to explain to Proserpina that it was a sexual reference
17:49 < Faceless> sure thing
17:49 < Faceless> give me a sec
17:51 < Faceless> ok
17:55 <@Sonata> Faceless, tag
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18:04 < Faceless> did I miss anything?
18:06 <@Sonata> I tagged you
18:07 < Faceless> right on it
18:12 < Faceless> posted
18:15 < Faceless> albeit, more importantly Alli should post
18:15 <@Sonata> right
18:15 <@Sonata> we're at the point we need a contrary voice
18:17 < Faceless> maybe poke Marri about it? xD
18:18 <@Sonata> or you could have Anthony say something?
18:26 < Faceless> sure, he was being sarcastic before
18:27 < Faceless> I still keep seing Adana o.o
18:28 <@Sonata> aww. I thought I did a good job of picking pictures that don't look like her.
18:28 <@Sonata> I might just be bad at faces.
18:32 < Faceless> maybe I am too good at faces, it is a curse
18:38 < Andygal> Well if you don't have one of your own... *shot*
18:39 < Faceless> shot?
18:40 < Andygal> For making a bad joke.
18:46 < Faceless> ah, sorry
18:46 <@Sonata> ...Curiosity seems to be heading toward the elves getting portal magic.
18:47 < Faceless> I feeling oddly sleepy I think it is a new alergy medication
18:47 < Faceless> Sonata, me what?
18:47 <@Sonata> the thread "Curiosity did what, now?"
18:47 <@Sonata> Vorkobold
18:48 < Faceless> ah xD
18:49 < Faceless> vorkobold makes me think of kobold vorkosigan triplets
18:49 < Faceless> except it is hard to think such thing
18:50 <@Sonata> Miles steal of /army/
18:51 <@Sonata> Mark would be /so good/ at kobolding, omg
18:51 <@Sonata> And Miles would be so good at the rest of kobolding
18:56 <@Adelene> *giggle*
18:56 < Andygal> *giggle*
18:57 <@Sonata> I /really/ want to see kobold vorkosigans now
18:57 <@Adelene> The elves are not actually on a trajectory to get portal magic? I'm not sure where you got that idea.
18:57 <@Adelene> Like
18:57 <@Sonata> they're intending to research how to get him home?
18:57 <@Adelene> Carp magic isn't researchable.
18:57 <@Sonata> oh
18:58 <@Sonata> in that case I don't understand why they thought they would be a reasonable chance to get him home, as opposed to either definitely can or definitely can't?
18:59 <@Adelene> They're thinking they can trap the tigerfolk and get the tigerfolk mage to do it.
18:59 <@Sonata> aha.
18:59 <@Adelene> (They're still guessing it was the tigerfolk who got him in the first place.)
18:59 <@Sonata> (Ah.)
19:00 <@Adelene> Also failing that they can put the word out to see if anyone from farther away has interdimensional-teleportation magic. It'll take a few years to hear back from all the places, but it's still something they can try.
19:00 <@Sonata> Reasonable enough.
19:00 <@Adelene> *nod*
19:01 < Faceless> how nice of the tree-huggers :)
19:01 <@Adelene> And then failing that, and also while that's going on, it's up to the council what's done with him. Which might be less than nice.
19:01 <@Sonata> Elarron is... Aluvai? Which don't look particularly human in comparison to other humanoids?
19:02 < Faceless> I think he has a tail and claws?
19:02 < Andygal> Yeah.
19:02 < Faceless> maybe this business will earn him his wings
19:02 <@Adelene> *nod* They know they don't know all the species of people in the world, though.
19:02 < Faceless> or he could save a desperate person from jumping off a bridge
19:03 <@Sonata> haha
19:04 < Andygal> and convince them the world would be a worse place without him?
19:04 < Andygal> *them
19:04 < Faceless> yup
19:04 <@Adelene> pft.
19:05 < Faceless> random character concept, incompetent angel with that job, except he always gets the wrong person and thinks their protests of "I am not X" is just a disguise to not receive their vision
19:06 <@Adelene> That doesn't seem like a mistake you could make more than once or twice.
19:06 <@Sonata> I think being clue-resistant might get annoying to read about a lot
19:07 < Faceless> it is a random character concept, not a good one
19:07 < Faceless> xD
19:07 < Andygal> xD
19:07 <@Sonata> I like the concept of a bumbling angel though
19:08 < Faceless> maybe he doesn't want to fill in the paper work so he just goes along with the mistake
19:08 <@Sonata> can we get an Ari to be a Bad Decision Angel
19:08 <@Adelene> hee ^^
19:09 < Faceless> outside my department, not that I would complain xD
19:16 < Faceless> Sonata, replied to proserpina
19:17 < Faceless> I vaguely want to do a sandbox on the new... forum I guess it is a forum?
19:18 <@Sonata> Platform?
19:21 < Faceless> suppose
19:30 < Faceless> Sonata, what else can you tell us about Proserpina?
19:31 <@Sonata> She's a Slytherin. Her parents are Muggleborn. Her younger sister is Dulcibelle Swift and goes by CB.
19:31 <@Sonata> Proserpina has repeatedly attempted to expose her to Culture; the only thing that's come close to sticking was opera, and that resulted in CB singing _Different As Can Be_ for three weeks straight.
19:31 <@Sonata> She's into a sort of steelman version of blood purity.
19:32 < Faceless> steelman version?
19:32 <@Sonata> Opposite of a strawman.
19:33 <@Sonata> Take a bad or weak position and invent a stronger and better version of it.
19:33 < Faceless> huh, how does that works?
19:33 < Faceless> ah
19:34 < Faceless> elaborate?
19:36 <@Sonata> Muggleborns are destroying traditional wizarding culture through assimilation and appropriation. Muggle culture has no respect for tradition; they rarely think in time horizons longer than a decade, let alone a century. Such short-sighted handling of Muggle technology already borders on the apocalyptic; our best hope for life on Earth to have a future is for wizarding culture to lead the muggles out of the dark. But the tide of culture has be
19:36 <@Sonata> en going the other way. We are fighting a losing battle for the fate of the world.
19:37 < Andygal> pfffft
19:37 < Faceless> I understand what you mean with steelman, but those argument sounded rather weak to me
19:37 <@Sonata> *shrug*
19:38 < Faceless> but maybe it is just my absolute negative reaction to the concept of "tradition"
19:38 <@Sonata> I'm sure I can make it stronger through debate.
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19:40 < Proserpina> That's because you're thinking of a strawman version of the concept of tradition.
19:40 < Proserpina> Inflexible, narrowminded, incapable of growth.
19:41 < Proserpina> I'm talking about a /healthy/ tradition, a /living/ tradition. Strong like a tree, not doomed to slowly erode like stone.
19:42 < Proserpina> A willingness to respect tradition -- and to prune and grow it, cautiously, as needed -- is the basic prerequisite for being able to build things that last.
19:42 * Adelene quietly notes that in RL, trees die of old age same as humans do. On comparable timescales, even, for some species.
19:42 < Proserpina> Do you care about the world you live in? Do you think your culture and your values are worth having, worth fighting to protect?
19:43 < Proserpina> Then protect them from the ravages of time.
19:43 < Faceless> one thing is saying that you want something as a tree, translating the concept to something healthy is a different story
19:44 < Proserpina> If you say that everyone should ignore the lessons of history and constantly reinvent the world anew, then how can you complain when the next generation ignores you and throws out everything you've worked for?
19:44 < Faceless> Proserpina, of course I do care about the world I am in, don't imply the contrary because I disagree with you
19:45 < Proserpina> If we cannot stand on the shoulders of giants, then we are nothing more than fungi, shapeless and structureless, incapable of building anything truly grand.
19:45 <@Adelene> To the best of my knowlege - and, granted, I'm not a domain expert - we don't actually know /how/ to build a society or system of traditions that's healthy for everyone in it yet. So, yes, we do need to be willing to change even fundamental things in pursuit of that.
19:46 < Faceless> Proserpina stop the false dichotomy
19:46 < Proserpina> Muggles have figured out how to make enormous achievements that require millions of people and years of effort; isn't it obvious that proportionately greater achievements can be attained by projects lasting centuries?
19:47 < Proserpina> The dichotomy may or may not be false, but it is not mine.
19:47 < Proserpina> Magical culture today is deeply divided: the traditionalists, and the muggle-lovers.
19:48 < Proserpina> Muggleborns see our architecture and assume we must be backwards inbreds with nothing worthwhile to offer.
19:49 < Proserpina> They do not bother to listen to what we have to say; they simply assume that all things Muggle are automatically better.
19:49 < Faceless> Sonata
19:49 <@Sonata> sorry
19:49 <@Sonata> do i need to chill
19:50 < Proserpina> They think that everyone must believe that the course of history is either progress or decay; when we reject the idea that every change is an improvement, they assume we believe that every change is a mistake.
19:50 < Faceless> it isn't your fault, but even I underestimated how negative my reaction would be to this sorts of arguments
19:50 < Teceler> Prosperina you're strawmanning your opponents
19:50 <@Sonata> ah
19:50 < Faceless> I am going to log off and try to cheer myself up
19:50 <@Sonata> sorry
19:50 < Teceler> [hug for Faceless]
19:50 <@Adelene> *hugs Faceless*
19:50 < Faceless> no harm done, just need to cool off
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19:50 * Faceless hugs back everyone
19:51 < Faceless> maybe Proserpina should have a chat with Fenris someday that ought to be fun.
19:51 <@Sonata> maybe!
19:51 < Faceless> anyway, see you later or tomorrow
19:51 < Faceless> o/
19:51 <@Sonata> o/
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20:10 * Adelene has first officially autistic character <3
20:12 <@Sonata> ooooh
20:13 <@Adelene> :D
20:40 <@Adelene> Dusk <3
20:46 < Andygal> <3
20:48 <@Adelene> ^^
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21:34 < Faceless> hi
21:34 < Teceler> wb
21:35 < Faceless> what did I miss?
21:38 <@Sonata> I will pm
21:38 <@Sonata> sent
21:38 < Faceless> thanks
21:38 <@Sonata> And welcome back.
21:38 < Faceless> dusk is the name of the character?
21:51 <@Adelene> mmhmm
21:51 <@Adelene> Elves have nature-themed nouns for names.
21:53 < Faceless> ah, I didn't reach that part, the last post I read Aaron was pretending to be confused about attacking the elves
21:53 < Faceless> which I felt should be a bit... much?
21:55 <@Adelene> I mean, there was kind of an element of genuine confusion there.
22:48 < Faceless> ah, forgot to answer here
22:48 * Sonata pokes at glowfic repo disconsolately
22:48 < Faceless> Adelene, I assumed he was just lying, oh well
22:49 < Faceless> glowfic repo?
22:49 <@Sonata> the codebase for the new glowfic platform
22:49 < Faceless> what is so bad about it?
22:49 <@Sonata> I can't figure out how to run it locally
22:50 <@Sonata> and I'm unfamiliar with the language/style/paradigm/thingy it's using
22:50 <@Sonata> so getting to the point where I can productively contribute looks like a lot of work
22:50 <@Sonata> not really a problem with /it/ as such
22:53 <@Adelene> Faceless:
22:53 <@Adelene> (6:22:30 PM) ***Adelene pokes thread.
22:53 <@Adelene> (6:23:03 PM) Adelene: I think the problem I'm having here is that is should have been obvious from Swiftness' tone that he thinks Rain is being ridiculous.
22:53 <@Adelene> (6:24:33 PM) Adelene: but as usual griping about my brain problems solves them.
22:53 <@Adelene> (6:24:37 PM) Kappa: <333
22:53 <@Adelene> (6:25:24 PM) Kappa: I/Elarron did pick up on some of that, but it's like - in the context he's coming from (and playing up, to a certain extent), the thing that Rain is being ridiculous about is still really confusing to hear about
22:53 <@Adelene> (6:25:54 PM) Kappa: (And Elarron-who-knows-more-than-zero-things-about-local-magic understands where Rain is coming from. xD)
22:53 <@Adelene> (6:25:59 PM) Adelene: hee
22:53 <@Adelene> (6:26:06 PM) Adelene: yes.
22:53 <@Adelene> (6:26:21 PM) Kappa: But Elarron-who-knows-zero-things-about-local-magic is _so confuse_. XD
22:54 <@Adelene> (6:26:49 PM) Adelene: *snicker*
22:56 <@Sonata> hee
22:58 < Faceless> xD
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23:41 <@Sonata> hello
23:41 < Unbitwise> hello! don't mind me, just checking for Evenstars
23:41 <@Sonata> the sky is cloudy this evening
23:43 < Faceless> sonata that was supposed to be ominious?
23:43 <@Sonata> no
23:43 <@Sonata> just, there are no Evenstars
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23:55 < Faceless> kel-tab!
23:55 < Teceler> Kel!
23:55 < Kel-tab> Hi
23:55 < Teceler> [hug]
23:55 < Kel-tab> Hug
23:56 < Kel-tab> Sorry i haven't been on
23:56 < Faceless> hugs
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23:56 < Teceler> ...
23:56 -!- Kel-tab has joined #backstage
23:56 < Teceler> ...connection isssues?
23:56 < Teceler> (and/or device issues)
23:57 < Kel-tab> Device
23:57 < Faceless> are you away with family?
23:57 < Kel-tab> Ish?
23:58 < Teceler> have family visiting? (guessing at the 'ish')
23:59 < Kel-tab> I was away for homework and then avoidantness and now my grandma's visiting for thanksgiving
23:59 < Teceler> [hug]
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00:00 < Kel-tab> (hug)
00:00 < Kel-tab> sorry
00:01 < Kel-tab> ... what's been happening on the forum?
00:03 < Teceler> um... ...can someone who is less behind answer that maybe?
00:07 < Faceless> I am not sure? that hadn't been much activity?
00:08 < Faceless> some otc products are sold, some new people showed up
00:08 < Faceless> like the sentient bat
00:09 < Teceler> ah
00:10 < Teceler> I might be inaccurately estimating how much talking-about-plots was forum-related
00:10 < Kel-tab> Another one?
00:10 < Kel-tab> Another bat ?
00:13 < Teceler> this one is actually a bat
00:15 < Kel-tab> Ah okay not like sigmas
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00:20 < Faceless> sigmas?
00:23 < Kel-tab> Joy to the world?
00:23 < Faceless> dont recall
00:25 < Kel-tab> It might have been ret conned out in which case nvm
00:29 < Faceless> ok, sorry
00:29 < Kel-tab> No worries
00:34 < Kel-tab> Good night, i need to sleep
00:36 < Faceless> sleep well
00:36 < Teceler> that yes
00:36 < Teceler> sleep well
00:36 < Teceler> sleep well, Kel
00:36 < Kel-tab> Thanks
00:36 < Kel-tab> You too!
00:36 < Kel-tab> Night
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00:37 < Teceler> thanks
00:41 < Faceless> have too sleep too
00:41 < Faceless> good night o/
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00:42 < Teceler> sleep well
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Post by Mother Starlight on Nov 29, 2015 15:17:36 GMT
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13:03 < Faceless> hi
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13:12 <@Sonata> I got my first heels~
13:12 < Andygal> Hi.
13:12 <@Sonata> hi
13:13 < Faceless> hi
13:13 < Faceless> Sonata, are you going to use them to do a heel face turn?
13:13 < Teceler> pft
13:13 <@Sonata> Why, you looking for a new face?
13:13 < Andygal> pft
13:25 < Faceless> that is hurtful Sonata, so hurtful, I am the hurtest
13:26 <@Sonata> oh noes
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16:29 < Faceless> o/
16:31 < Andygal> Hi.
16:32 <@Sonata> hi
16:32 < Teceler> hello
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17:50 <@Sonata> Are we doing Movie Night?
17:50 <@Adelene> ...right, time is a thing.
17:50 < Andygal> Oh right.
17:51 <@Adelene> Tonight's movies are short, though, we don't actually need to start for another half hour.
17:51 <@Adelene> but I should, like, announce that. :P
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20:24 < Faceless> hello?
20:24 < Teceler> hello
20:25 <@Sonata> hi
20:25 < Faceless> (had some internet hiccups early in hte afternoon, not sure how it translated into the chat)
20:25 < Faceless> how are things?
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Post by Mother Starlight on Dec 1, 2015 15:37:07 GMT
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10:54 < Faceless> o/
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14:51 < Faceless> o/
15:34 <@Sonata> hi
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16:16 < Faceless> What exactly was the idea to glowfic Home?
16:22 <@Sonata> ummmmm
16:23 <@Sonata> there seemed to be not enough reaction/consequences to HOLY FRIG ALIEN INVASION FIRST CONTACT
16:25 <@Sonata> (btw am soon to offline for a bit)
16:25 <@Sonata> just seemed like the kind of thing that could be made more interesting with smarter/deeper characters
16:26 < Faceless> understood
16:26 <@Sonata> I like the idea of kobold moov
16:26 < Faceless> What kind of template Tip would be replaced as?
16:26 <@Sonata> and maybe a joker spiky-plant-guy
16:27 <@Sonata> Bell is the obvious choice because competent female protagonist, but... I think it would be fun to put an Ari
16:28 < Faceless> huh, how about a Miles!Tip?
16:28 <@Sonata> ...possible, but I feel like that might make the plot too short
16:28 < Faceless> Ooo, is obviously a purple
16:29 < Faceless> he is the purple one *waves vaguely*
16:29 <@Adelene> I mean, if we're going with kobold boov then oh is obviously Lurker.
16:29 <@Sonata> like, complex highly-fraught diplomatic disaster? Throwing a Miles at it is basically just pressing the win button.
16:30 < Faceless> Throwing Miles at thing isn't a win button for most situations?
16:30 <@Sonata> (disaster is not quite the right word, can't remember the right one. snafu? clusterfuck?)
16:30 <@Sonata> (big tangled mess)
16:31 <@Adelene> Here's a question, who's Captain Smek?
16:31 <@Sonata> hmmmm.
16:34 < Faceless> I can't think of any good ideas. No one is quite as... comical as him
16:36 < Faceless> from tvtropes about the book Bizarre Alien Sexes: the Boov aliens have 7 sexes that translate in English to: girl, boy, boygirl, girlboy, boyboy, boyboygirl, and boyboyboyboy.
16:37 <@Sonata> lolwut
16:40 <@Sonata> I suppose that's more progressive than most pop culture, at least
16:40 < Faceless> I don't want Ari to interact with this, I don't want at all.
16:53 < Faceless> going to leave for a bit o/
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22:05 < rockeye> :(
22:06 <@Sonata> ?
22:07 < Faceless> /are/ you alright?
22:07 < rockeye> Oh, that's just the sound of my procrastination becoming unsustainable. I really should stop complaining about it, I bet it's annoying.
22:08 < Faceless> it is concerning, I am a concern-prone person
22:09 < rockeye> I continue to remind myself that failing a class is not the same thing as failing at life
22:09 < rockeye> especially since it's not even in my major
22:09 < rockeye> it doesn't seem to help, I am a sad person sometimes and I feel bad about even telling others about this
22:09 < rockeye> since it's my own fault
22:09 <@Sonata> I have been there
22:10 <@Sonata> In my case I am pretty sure it is/was clinical depression, but I didn't figure that out until later, in retrospect.
22:11 < rockeye> The thing is I'm fine while I can continue to ignore reality
22:11 <@Sonata> I'd suggest you look into counseling, if you are in a position to safely interact with the medical system
22:11 <@Sonata> eeeyup
22:11 < rockeye> and then I cant
22:12 < rockeye> I tried that counseling thing last semester
22:12 < rockeye> unsure if it helped
22:12 <@Sonata> hmmm
22:12 <@Sonata> Is it possible there's something specific that's wrong with reality, that you're semiconsciously trying not to put your attention on?
22:13 < rockeye> you might be familiar with the genre of thought 'I have a loving white upper middle class family and yet I'm miserable and can't find a job with all these advantages I must be the worst person' ?
22:15 < rockeye> because I'm pretty sure the reality is just 'I really am that lazy'
22:15 <@Sonata> alternate hypotheses: 'the economy really is that shitty'
22:15 <@Sonata> 'depression is a bitch'
22:15 <@Sonata> 'life is complicated'
22:15 < rockeye> gaaaaaaaah
22:16 <@Sonata> :(
22:16 < rockeye> I mean thanks, and I still glowfic sometimes, and so on
22:18 < rockeye> telling myself how my major really is just that damn difficult (food process engineering, my internship has not gone well) helps a bit but makes me wish I had gone for business administration or something suitably generic
22:18 < rockeye> and then I start thinking about tuition down the drain
22:18 * rockeye shuts up
22:19 <@Sonata> ...there's sort of a cultural expectation, especially for men, of being Strong and Self-Sufficient, and Powering Through Adversity, and the idea of privilege->responsibility tends to enhance that further. But in reality, humans are social creatures, and our natural state is interdependency. It's something that culture doesn't really teach you, but it's a good thing to have friends you can lean on for support.
22:20 < rockeye> I've noticed that
22:20 < rockeye> I don't really have many good friends from college, they're all online somehow
22:20 < rockeye> and one old high school teacher for some reason
22:21 <@Sonata> I also mostly have online friends
22:22 < rockeye> does this support whisper
22:23 < rockeye> help
22:23 < rockeye> /help
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23:17 * Adelene is so pleased with how this portalbold thread is going. Like, there is some excellent behind-the-scenes and upcoming stuff. ^^
23:22 < Faceless> ?
23:24 <@Adelene> Mostly to the tune of 'Dusk <3<3<3'.
23:25 <@Adelene> (spoilery ^^)
23:26 < Faceless> I am going to sleep o/
23:26 <@Adelene> sleep well o/
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Post by Mother Starlight on Dec 1, 2015 15:37:10 GMT
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10:08 < rockeye> anyone here this early?
10:08 < Andygal> Kinda.
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10:17 < rockeye> brains are not fun sometimes
10:18 < Andygal> true.
10:19 < Andygal> know what else is not fun? Waking up early and not being able to get back to sleep.
10:25 < rockeye> -_-
11:15 < rockeye> yay, brains
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11:35 < rockeye> hi sonata
11:35 < Andygal> Hi.
11:35 <@Sonata> hi
11:36 <@Sonata> How's it going?
11:36 < rockeye> same
12:40 < rockeye> anxiety party! yay.
12:41 < Teceler> is there anything we can do to help?
12:41 < Teceler> I'd offer hugs but as I recall you don't like those.
12:42 < rockeye> Just knowing that people are sympathying helps
12:42 < rockeye> and it'll be over in a week or two anyway
12:42 < rockeye> either way
12:42 < Teceler> well, have lots of sympathy then
12:42 < Teceler> anxiety is miserable and throughly interferes with getting anything done
12:44 < rockeye> which is a vicious cycle when things needing doing are what's causing the anxiety
12:44 < Teceler> yeah
12:46 < Andygal> Yeah.
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14:10 < rockeye> hi
14:10 < Mori> Hey! :)
14:11 < rockeye> I don't think I've met you before
14:12 < Andygal> Hi!
14:12 < Andygal> (ohgod Yvette and teenage!Miles)
14:13 < Mori> rockeye: Probably not! I am new-ish (and have been gone for a while due to School). I write Sapphire and wordswordswords. Hi!
14:14 < rockeye> hi
14:14 < Teceler> hello
14:14 < rockeye> man, School
14:14 < rockeye> I should be doing that right now
14:14 < Mori> yeah I feel you
14:14 < Andygal> and I should be working properly
14:16 < Mori> I am actually in biology class at this very moment, but biology is not my thing, so slacking off
14:16 < rockeye> project due thursday, research paper due friday, final next monday, final next wednesday, project due next friday
14:17 < Teceler> ouch
14:17 < rockeye> #horray
14:17 < Mori> oh, man, finals week is the worst
14:17 < Andygal> Yeah. Ow.
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15:00 < Faceless> o/
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16:42 < Faceless> hi Sonata
16:42 <@Sonata> hi
16:44 < Faceless> how are you? ^^
16:45 <@Sonata> okay
16:45 <@Sonata> you?
16:46 < Andygal> Hey.
16:47 <@Sonata> hi
16:49 < Faceless> I am good
16:49 < Faceless> listening home soundtrack ^^
16:51 <@Adelene> ^^
16:58 < Faceless> I want to sing Towards The Sun to sad characters >_>
17:00 < Faceless> (I am not proud of this)
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18:34 < echo> hi guys
18:34 <@Sonata> hi
18:34 < Teceler> hello echo
18:34 < echo> i'm the bat if anyone wondering
18:34 <@Sonata> aha
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18:37 < Faceless> hi
18:39 <@Sonata> hi
18:39 < echo> finals are annoying guys
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18:45 < rockeye> group"work"
18:45 < Faceless> echo, yes they are
18:45 < Faceless> hi rockeye
18:46 < rockeye> hi
18:46 < echo> i know what that's l
18:46 < echo> like
18:46 < rockeye> yeah it's pretty common actually
18:47 < rockeye> when your group does not want to work
18:47 < echo> nod, nod
18:47 < rockeye> bye
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18:48 < Faceless> :/
18:52 < Faceless> Echo you play Sapphire?
19:03 < echo> no
19:03 < echo> I'm the bat]
19:05 < echo> I think I'm getting sickl though
19:05 < echo> perfect timing rite
19:06 < Teceler> [hug if wanted]
19:06 < echo> [hug[
19:06 < echo> internet hug is not a valid vector for pathogens
19:06 < echo> it would be scary if it was...
19:06 < Teceler> it better not be, yeah
19:07 < echo> im gone gonna run a keurig and get back to studying
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19:59 < Faceless> what is keurig?
20:03 <@Adelene> single-serving coffee maker.
20:05 < Faceless> ah, I think I know which one
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21:00 < Teceler> hello again Mori
21:00 < Mori> hi again :)
21:01 < Faceless> hi
21:04 * Adelene continues Elarron thread, wriggles excitedly, wonders about getting a MWF instance of Dusk at some point. :3
21:04 <@Sonata> oh gosh
21:05 <@Sonata> carp elves on the forum
21:06 <@Adelene> Dusk would be out of Carp /so fast/ though. SO fast. Like, probably before she even had a forum account, says Occam.
21:07 <@Sonata> Will Dusk be joining Promise and Aianon in the Inexplicably Non-Terrible Instance Club?
21:07 <@Adelene> A thing is - how I said Swiftness would get along with Lurker if he wasn't a crazy elf and she wasn't a filthy kobold? Dusk and Lurker would just get along, full stop, no caveats. ^^
21:08 <@Adelene> Something like that. Though she's absolutely not inexplicable. ^^
21:08 <@Sonata> um. I can see Dusk liking Lurker. I am having a harder time with the reverse.
21:08 < Faceless> Now I want them to meet alts of himself that are best buds
21:09 <@Adelene> Spoilers, Sonata. Large ones. ^^
21:09 < Xom> did somebody order a LARGE HAM? ... oh, large spoiler. sorry.
21:10 <@Adelene> pft
21:10 <@Sonata> I mean. I can see forum!Lurker going for it, because she did the Not All Elves thing with the arcany expert whose name escapes me.
21:10 <@Sonata> but a generic Lurker?
21:10 < Teceler> ...now I am picturing a literal large ham appearing in the middle of the conversation
21:10 <@Sonata> not so much.
21:10 < Teceler> because Xom
21:10 <@Adelene> spoooilers. :D
21:10 < Xom> yes that is a thing i would do
21:10 < Xom> at least the forum-type me
21:11 < Xom> who tends to be dramatically appropriate more often than he should
21:11 < Xom> as though he were rigging his own RNG
21:11 <@Adelene> (Also the Not All Elves thing didn't help /that/ much. Forum Lurker would still react quite badly indeed to being put in a room with a Carp elf.)
21:11 < Xom> how would Lurker react to being put in a room with a Zot elf
21:12 < Xom> or, for that matter, a Zot kobold
21:12 <@Adelene> Depends on if they're recognizable as such.
21:12 <@Sonata> given who's asking, this might depend on the nature of the putting
21:12 <@Adelene> Also that, ya.
21:12 < Andygal> Ha.
21:12 < Xom> ... or an elf/kobold from Zot being put in a room with Lurker, how about that
21:13 < Xom> to get rid of the influence of suddenly being in Zot
21:13 <@Adelene> Again, depends.
21:13 <@Sonata> I would actually like to see an interaction (either sandbox or make-characters-talk) with Lurker interacting with various alternate interpretations of kobold.
21:13 < Xom> i think i might be up to doing that
21:14 <@Adelene> The kobold probably just gets an 'oh, geez, are you okay, where do you want to be, let me make a portal there'.
21:14 <@Adelene> From MWF!Lurker.
21:14 * Sonata initially wrote "flavors" but thought that would be in bad, uh, taste
21:14 < Xom> also i just realized "Zot elf" doesn't refer to one species
21:14 <@Adelene> ...yes. *snicker*
21:15 < Xom> deep elf vs high elf
21:16 < Xom> deep elves being more physically frail but better at magic than high elves
21:16 <@Sonata> deep elves are basically drow, right?
21:17 < Xom> i... think? so but i'm not sure if i'm remembering drow right
21:18 < Xom> also: just HOW badly would Lurker react to being put right into the middle of Elf:3 ( http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Elven_Halls )
21:18 <@Sonata> black/darkgray skin, white hair, fond of scimitars, worship a spider goddess
21:19 < Xom> deep elves seem to at least have pink skin judging by their tiles
21:19 < Xom> but bright/possibly glowing red eyes
21:19 < Xom> and definitely white hair
21:19 < Xom> there is no spider goddess as far as I know
21:19 <@Adelene> 'glowing red eyes' doesn't say Carp elf to me, but does say scary.
21:21 < Xom> the fact that the elves of the Elven Halls are hostile to everybody (like most residents of the dungeon) wouldn't help matters, i'd imagine
21:21 <@Adelene> no.
21:21 < Xom> a player elf would be another matter
21:22 <@Adelene> Generally speaking Lurker's reaction to being teleported someplace against her will is going to be pretty negative, even if she can get home under her own power trivially.
21:23 < Xom> that sentence brought to mind a mental image of a follower of Lugonu being repeatedly banished and repeatedly using Lugonu's 'unbanish me' invocation
21:23 < Teceler> ...pft
21:23 < Xom> and getting progressively more irritated every time
21:24 * Teceler is trying to remember whether's Cassiel's world has kobolds.
21:25 <@Adelene> (Portalbold at least can for example cast something to allow her to sleep mostly safely in the face of hostile teleportation - just enspell herself to teleport back to her bed every second until she wants to not do that any more - but she's still going to be, uh, not pleased.)
21:26 * Teceler consults wiki
21:26 < Xom> i just thought of a funny scenario - Zot kobold is trying to loot the Elven Halls, a translocation miscast happens that sends him/her to... somewhere where Lurker is, and the first words Lurker hears from this kobold are muttering about elves
21:26 < Xom> miscast and/or intentional experimental spell, i guess
21:27 < Xom> this was brought to mind because elves in the Elven Halls like to banish you a lot
21:28 <@Adelene> Assuming portalbold, her reaction to that is similar to her reaction to Elarron's snake - grab the kobold, teleport them to her safe spot, go 'are we okay, did we lose them, holy /shit/ are you all right'.
21:28 < Xom> and the Zot kobold's reaction to this reaction would be "wait this isn't the abyss i thought i had been banished again"
21:29 <@Adelene> *chuckle*
21:29 < Teceler> pft
21:30 < Teceler> (FfH does not appear to have kobolds unless they are defined as falling under 'orc' for its purposes)
21:31 <@Adelene> Also, Lurker's second reaction to this is 'holy crap that's a heck of a lot of magic stuff you've got on you. um.'
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21:32 < Xom> ha - especially since the kobold would probably have just gone through the Hall of Blades
21:32 < Xom> meaning huge pile of formerly-dancing weapons
21:33 <@Adelene> heh.
21:33 <@Adelene> Also the concept of magic that wears off will be very o.O
21:34 < Xom> The dancing-ness of the weapons doesn't so much "wear off" as "you kill it"
21:35 < Xom> and then you pick up the dead enchanted sword and wield it as though it had never been alive
21:35 < Xom> which is actually a little creepy
21:36 < Xom> but not quite as creepy as entering a dungeon floor to find a few dozen animated weapons all attacking you
21:37 < Xom> I guess the other temporary effects like scrolls and such would be a little weird though
21:38 < Xom> so yeah - kobold party
21:38 < Xom> wait, wasn't Nemelex's representative at the crowning a kobold?
21:40 <@Sonata> Lurker looking at a potion: ...why would you enspell a liquid?
21:42 < Xom> "enspell? I thought potions just came like that?"
21:45 < Xom> oh wow, apparently latest crawl version adds altars that let you worship a random god with a piety bonus
21:45 <@Sonata> Xom's new favorite god?
21:47 < Xom> as in you pray at the altar and commit to worshiping whoever's altar it is before you know who owns it
21:47 < Xom> and this gives you +20 piety
21:47 * Adelene was distracted, returns.
21:48 < Xom> or, I guess if you end up with Gozag, waives the gold fee
21:48 <@Sonata> I feel like Xom is the one who pushed for that feature in the council of the gods
21:48 < Xom> heh
21:48 < Teceler> pft
21:48 <@Sonata> (Miles is being shrennaki again)
21:49 <@Adelene> I meant temporary effects like - well, I don't know what Zot has in particular, by my roguelike of choice has resistances that you get from eating enemy corpses, which seems like it'd register as magical and which wear off, so.
21:49 <@Sonata> oh, what do you play?
21:49 <@Adelene> Powder.
21:49 < Xom> Not a whole lot of things in Zot are actually temporary
21:50 <@Sonata> Most potions are, I think?
21:50 <@Adelene> http://www.zincland.com/powder/?pagename=about
21:50 <@Adelene> one-off effects would be less o.O but still pretty o.O
21:50 < Xom> sure, potions and scrolls, and status effects
21:50 < Xom> the only things you get from eating corpses besides nutrition are random mutations from mutagenic corpses
21:51 < Xom> which are only temporary in that you can remove them with a potion of cure mutation
21:51 < Xom> (or with more random mutations)
21:51 <@Adelene> mmhmm
21:53 < Xom> oh, i guess a major magic thing in Zot that wears off is glow
21:54 < Xom> when you miscast spells, or even correctly cast certain spells like Haste, you get mutagenic glow
21:54 <@Adelene> One-off effects in Carp basically mean either that the caster didn't trust you, or didn't trust that the thing wouldn't fall into the wrong hands, or was going for planned obsolescence. And the last one isn't something Lurker's run into at all.
21:54 < Xom> it doesn't do much except draw attention unless you have a whole lot of it, then you start getting random mutations
21:55 < Xom> also I guess Haste and Regen themselves kind of qualify as magic that wears off
21:55 <@Adelene> *nodnod*
21:56 <@Sonata> haste, lignification, brilliance, might
21:56 < Xom> hahaha oh man i forgot about lignification
21:56 <@Adelene> ?
21:57 < Xom> potion of temporarily become a tree
21:57 < Teceler> ...
21:57 <@Adelene> pfffft
21:57 < Teceler> that is certainly a thing
21:57 < Xom> you're a lot more durable but you can't move
21:57 < Xom> because you are a tree
21:57 < Teceler> ...I suppose I can sort of see contexts that would be useful in?
21:57 < Xom> it's almost as good as the scroll of random uselessness
21:58 < Teceler> but mostly it seems like a negative effect
21:58 < Xom> which prints a random message to your log except sometimes it actually casts summon butterflies, which is a useful spell
21:58 < Teceler> pffft
21:59 < Xom> "hey Lurker, do you have somewhere I could go to test these unidentified scrolls?"
22:00 <@Adelene> >.>
22:00 < Andygal> Lichform.
22:00 <@Adelene> (She probably does, actually. Caves that aren't useful for anything aren't too rare.)
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22:04 < Xom> http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Tree_form
22:04 < Xom> 48% GDR is nothing to sneeze at
22:05 < Xom> plus free poison resistance and negative energy/torment immunity
22:06 < Xom> also in an emergency a Potion of Lignification can substitute for food
22:07 < Andygal> so apparently trees can wear helmets.
22:07 < Andygal> What.
22:07 < Teceler> pfffffffffffffft
22:08 < Xom> well of course
22:08 < Xom> the helmet helps protect your precious branches
22:13 < Xom> i tried to image search 'tree with hat' but all i found were hats shaped like trees
22:14 <@Adelene> http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/583078/583078,1272137036,6/stock-vector-vector-illustration-of-a-business-man-wearing-a-green-suit-tie-and-hat-with-a-tree-for-his-face-51663562.jpg
22:15 < Andygal> Adelene has superior Google-Fu apparently.
22:15 <@Adelene> http://www.underthechristmastree.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/green-christmas-tree-wearing-hat.png
22:15 <@Adelene> http://previews.123rf.com/images/kenbenner/kenbenner1209/kenbenner120900057/15259449-Black-and-white-illustration-of-a-pine-tree-wearing-a-Santa-hat-Stock-Vector.jpg
22:15 <@Adelene> the magic word is 'tree wearing hat'.
22:15 < Xom> i like that first one
22:16 <@Adelene> ^^
22:16 < Xom> i should go play some crawl 0.17
22:16 < Xom> what's a good species
22:19 <@Sonata> kobold
22:19 <@Sonata> or, for a Xomite, maybe demonspawn
22:20 <@Sonata> since you get random mutations as you level
22:21 < Xom> ooh think i'll be demonspawn
22:23 < Xom> http://crawl.akrasiac.org:8080/#watch-Thatwasademo if you want to watch i guess
22:24 < Andygal> Kinda doing three things at once, already. :P
22:38 < Xom> "Found Gozag's Platinum Reserve."
22:38 < Xom> well that's early
22:38 < Xom> i might just have to take Gozag up on his offer
22:39 < Xom> (it's a vault with an altar of Gozag and a shop with really good but expensive pre-identified randarts)
22:40 < Andygal> sweet
22:40 < Xom> but ehhhhhhh i'm a spellcaster and there's two weapons and a ring mail here
22:40 < Xom> the final item is a right of flight, MR, and Stealth, but
22:41 < Xom> dunno if i really want a ring mail of +9 strength and rPois
22:41 < Xom> or a hand axe, even though it's a really good axe
22:42 < Xom> bah i'm going for it
22:42 < Xom> i'm a venom mage anyway so it's not like my endgame is provided for by that
22:43 < Xom> who needs food anyway
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22:59 * Teceler mutters at her computer
22:59 * Xom mutters at Teceler's computer
23:00 * Teceler eyes Xom
23:00 * Teceler checks over her computer for interference
23:00 < Xom> hey i was only trying to help with the muttering
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23:04 < rockeye> having internet friends is very pleasant
23:04 < rockeye> thank you
23:04 < rockeye> that is all
23:04 < Teceler> hello
23:04 < Andygal> Hello!
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23:08 * Xom continues muttering at Teceler's computer
23:08 < teceler2> ...I appear to have, in my attempt to convince Libreoffice to use more than a tiny fraction of the memory (and therefore not be so slow with big things)
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23:09 < teceler2> accidentally convinced it that it should try to use ALL THE MEMORY
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23:09 < Xom> good job
23:09 < Teceler> or it's memory leaking or something
23:11 < Teceler> either way it grabs most of the RAM when I do something specific and then I think my system monitor gives up the ghost somewhere in here because it's reporting libreoffice and xorg using more RAM between them than actually exists on this computer
23:11 < Teceler> but anyway the computer gradually freezes up until it doesn't respond at all
23:11 < Teceler> and it is sad
23:12 < Teceler> and kind of interferes with what I was /trying/ to do which was work out why this spreadsheet is so ridicolously slow and fix that
23:12 < rockeye> is it possible to undo the settings change you made
23:12 < Teceler> probably
23:13 < Teceler> if I can remember what all of them where
23:13 < Teceler> that does not, of course, fix the original problem
23:13 < Teceler> but it should stop the computer crashing
23:13 < Teceler> hopefully
23:13 < Teceler> if that was even the settings change, idk
23:13 < Andygal> Ugh.
23:15 < Xom> you're on linux, guessing by the use of xorg?
23:15 * Teceler crosses fingers, tries the thing again
23:15 < Xom> ram measurements on linux are *super weird*, just so you know
23:16 < Xom> because of things like shared memory pages
23:16 < Xom> and swap usage not being directly measurable
23:16 < Teceler> ...and thing is not fixed, joy, at least I maybe caught it this time
23:16 < Teceler> and ha, that would not surprise me
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23:18 < Xom> if gnome-system-monitor's "memory" column is summing to more than the amount of physical memory in the computer then that's an explainable but somewhat bad thing
23:18 * Teceler looks curious
23:18 < Xom> other process tools are different
23:18 < Teceler> (pretty sure it's more than RAM + swap too)
23:18 < Xom> if it's more than RAM + swap then gnome-system-monitor is just wrong
23:19 < Teceler> ...and yes that is gnome-system-monitor, having checked
23:19 < Xom> as far as I can tell the column just labeled "Memory" is measuring the process's private memory
23:21 < Xom> processes also need some shared memory for libraries they're using, but if two processes are using the same libraries then you still only need one copy of them (as long as they're dynamically linked, but they probably are)
23:21 < Teceler> what is 'virtual memory' measuring, if you have any idea?
23:21 < Teceler> (and yeah I think 'shared memory' is a potential column...)
23:21 < Xom> total memory and swap space that process has access to, period
23:22 * Teceler goes and pokes at
23:22 < Xom> er... total memory, swap, AND memory-mapped but unloaded files
23:22 < Xom> the sum of all the "virtual memory" entries will almost always be far more than the amount of physical memory and swap space on the system
23:23 < Teceler> I did notice that, yes XD
23:23 < Xom> especially if you're running chrome or some other thing that ends up making lots of processes of the same image
23:23 * Sonata found a fun thing: http://internetoracle.org/
23:24 < Xom> oh man, the internet oracle
23:24 < Xom> i remember that
23:24 < Xom> in my experience, the "Memory" column should always add to *less* than the amount of memory in use
23:25 < Xom> since it doesn't account for shared memory anywhere
23:26 < Teceler> that approximates my experience, other than this weird thing
23:26 < Teceler> (I think system monitor may have been having issues related to the freezing and eating of memory)
23:26 < Xom> there's a command-line tool called "smem" that adds a fraction of each block of shared memory to the memory accounted for by every process so that adding them up makes sense
23:27 < Xom> but then killing a process doesn't free all the memory smem says it's using
23:28 < Xom> like i said, linux memory accounting is *weird*
23:28 < Teceler> yuuuup
23:29 < Xom> oh also some very naive tools (i think gnome-system-monitor *isn't* one of them) talk about memory used by the system cache as though it was used, not free
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23:29 < Xom> which is one of the first things anyone will tell you if you talk about memory issues in linux even if it isn't relevant
23:30 < Teceler> why
23:30 < Teceler> *why would they do that?
23:31 < Teceler> (the tools)
23:31 < Xom> because technically that memory is in use by something
23:31 < Xom> even though it can be deallocated at a moment's notice
23:31 < Teceler> I sense a 'but' :P
23:32 < Xom> that's the entire explanation
23:33 < rockeye> programs do not react well to having their memory removed
23:33 < rockeye> the safeguards are strong
23:33 < Xom> the system cache does react well to it though
23:34 < Xom> it's a thing the kernel does to avoid wasting the resource of physical memory
23:34 < Xom> because it's much faster to drop a cache page if you need more memory than to load a recently used file from disk if you need the file again
23:35 < Xom> memory used by the cache is for all purposes free except for 'is it known what's in this page'
23:38 < rockeye> so what was the issue again?
23:39 < Xom> well, it wasn't related to the system cache, it was that somehow libreoffice and xorg together were using more memory than existed in the system
23:40 < Xom> according to gnome-system-monitor for at least a moment
23:40 < rockeye> sounds like a problem in the monitor
23:40 < rockeye> I don't run linux though so I'm just gonna shut up now
23:40 < Teceler> I think so yes
23:41 < Xom> my best guess is just that the monitor got interrupted in the middle of asking how much memory one program was using and asking about the other
23:41 < Teceler> but then Xom was explaining the weird arcane ways linux accounts for memory
23:41 < Xom> or Teceler was reading the wrong column
23:41 < Xom> it's not so much weird arcane ways linux accounts for memory as weird arcane ways linux actually uses memory
23:41 < Teceler> no I'm pretty sure it was the right column the computer finished freezing with that up, I got a good look
23:42 < Teceler> pft
23:42 < Teceler> okay, point
23:42 < Xom> that make it seemingly impossible for any automated tool to give a good answer to the question 'how much memory is this process using'
23:43 < rockeye> does it count cache pages separately from current active memory at least?
23:43 < Xom> yeah
23:43 < Xom> and sensible tools like gnome-system-monitor or free tell you about the total available memory rather than the total unused memory on their graphs
23:44 < rockeye> I recall learning how to program in cache-aware ways if something is having miss issues but I do not much understand OS design really
23:44 < Xom> here's the secret: nobody really does
23:44 < Teceler> pft
23:44 < Teceler> ...um then what are the designers doing
23:45 < Xom> the best they can, of course
23:45 < Teceler> pft
23:47 * Teceler has managed to work around the issue and is now trying to remember if removing the '0' on the elses of these ifs will mess up her arithmetic
23:47 < rockeye> I'd need code snippets to judge
23:47 < Teceler> spreadsheet (libreoffice, specifically)
23:48 < Teceler> =D$82+E$5+E$7+IF(E$8,3,0)+IF(E$9,1,0)
23:48 < Andygal> speaking of OS design, anyone here using Windows 10?
23:49 < Xom> on one computer in the house
23:49 < Xom> it's not bad
23:49 < Xom> i'd say it's worth upgrading to from win 8.1 and possibly from 7
23:50 < Xom> but on my desktop i'm running linux mint 17 because i didn't want to shell out hundreds of dollars
23:50 < Teceler> as we just went over I am on a linux (gnome ubuntu, specifically), but this is techincally a dual-boot system even if I don't boot over to windows if I can possibly avoid it
23:50 < rockeye> that are the ifs supposed to be doing teceler?
23:50 < Teceler> but I thiiink the windows partition is 7
23:50 < rockeye> what*
23:51 < rockeye> Because looking at the syntax I think that removing the ,0 won't break it
23:52 < Teceler> rockeye: syntax is if([thing to be evaluated], [thing to use if the result is true], [thing to use if it's false])
23:52 < rockeye> if 0 is the default value for false output
23:52 < Teceler> ...basically I'm trying to remember how this handles adding false to things because that seems to be the default value
23:52 <@Adelene> usually the defaults on those are TRUE and FALSE and FALSE evaluates to zero.
23:52 < Teceler> Adelene: that sounds about right
23:52 < rockeye> that would make sense, but it's open source so who knows
23:53 * Teceler prods firefox to finish starting so she can try applying google to this some more
23:53 < Xom> you could experiment?
23:54 < Teceler> if I can't figure it out by the time I come back to this I probably will
23:54 < Teceler> but this seems like it might be prone to errors that don't show up immediately
23:54 < rockeye> does just leaving the ,0 in hurt anything?
23:55 < Teceler> that is the other question yes
23:55 < Teceler> I am trying to clean up the document but I don't know if that would help or hurt
23:57 < rockeye> I think it's better with the ,0
23:57 < rockeye> not including it would bug me even if the 3rd parameter is optional
23:57 < rockeye> but that's me
23:58 * rockeye should probably be doing something else...
23:58 < Teceler> sorry for distracting you?
23:59 < Teceler> (the questions for me here are 'which is more elegant' 'which uses less processing speed' and importantly (based on the history of this document) 'which will confuse me less when I come back to this again years later')
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00:00 < rockeye> no don't be
00:00 < rockeye> I am self distracting
00:00 < rockeye> even when I really really ought to be doing something else
00:00 < Teceler> oh, that thing
00:00 * Teceler is familiar with that thing, sadly
00:00 < rockeye> "I do my best work in the 11th hour... If only because that's when I do all my work"
00:01 < Teceler> [sympathy]
00:01 < Andygal> Yeah.
00:04 < rockeye> youtube videos are very interesting and not at all related to working on the project due thursday.
00:09 < Teceler> why do deadlines exist
00:11 < rockeye> exactly
00:13 < rockeye> I should force myself to sleep
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00:34 < Teceler> ...okay I think I've found at least part of why this spreadsheet is trying to crash my computer
00:34 < Teceler> dear past!self: what were you thinking why did you set this up this way
00:37 <@Sonata> >_>
00:37 <@Sonata> computers are like that
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00:38 < Teceler> ...timing
00:49 * Xom roars with laughter
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Post by Mother Starlight on Dec 2, 2015 18:05:38 GMT
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11:42 < rockeye> I wonder how long I'm going to complain about anxiety more than daily for
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12:23 < rockeye> hi
12:25 <@Adelene> o/
12:26 < rockeye> what does o/ mean?
12:26 <@Sonata> it means hello
12:26 <@Sonata> it's a head and arm of a person waving
12:27 <@Sonata> o/
12:27 <@Sonata> /|
12:27 <@Sonata> / \
12:28 < rockeye> well o/ then
12:28 <@Sonata> \o
12:32 < rockeye> yay, procrastination
12:43 < Andygal> blaaaargh
13:41 < rockeye> procrastionation wooooo
13:41 < rockeye> (doom)
13:41 < Teceler> [sympathy]
13:41 < Teceler> ...would talking about the project be helpful?
13:54 < rockeye> probably not
13:55 < rockeye> it'll be over, either way, on Thursday
13:55 < Teceler> okay
13:55 < Teceler> I just find talking things out helps me occasionally, so I thought it was worth asking
13:56 < rockeye> and it helps just to complain about it sometimes
13:57 < rockeye> though yet I can't seem to actually make myself make progress on it...
13:57 < Teceler> that sounds miserable
13:58 < rockeye> yeah, well, it's school
13:58 < rockeye> I'm just really hoping the class gets curved. hard.
14:09 < rockeye> unless someone wants to read my 'research paper' that I am BSing through
14:09 < rockeye> and tell me if I made a horrible mistake
14:09 < rockeye> nevermind, it's too boring
14:25 * Teceler returns from getting ready for a thing
14:25 * Teceler ums
14:25 < Teceler> idk if I would be any help but if you wanted I would except I do actually need to head out imminently
14:26 < Teceler> if you still want when I get back and I'm not too exhausted I can though?
14:26 < rockeye> yeah it's not even closeish to done anyway
14:26 < rockeye> thx for offer I should probably not bother people with this thing though
14:26 < Teceler> like
14:26 < Teceler> I'd like to help?
14:27 < Teceler> ...I think that's my ride, talk later
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15:23 * Adelene had call to pull out the 'I barely trust you not to publicly assault me' body language on an NT today for the first time in ages, had forgotten just how unsettling they find that. *chuckle*
15:29 <@Sonata> being wrong about whether one is in a peacetime type of situation tends to be disconcerting, yes
15:30 <@Adelene> I'm not sure that's quite it? The body language in question is explicitly not /threatening/ at all, nobody's ever seemed directly afraid of it.
15:32 < rockeye> what's NT
15:32 <@Adelene> It's more a combination of heightened awareness of the person in question (which I have some evidence NTs don't even perceive the way I do) with a distinct lack of mirroring.
15:32 <@Adelene> NT is short for neurotypical, as opposed to those of us with variously weird brains. (I'm autistic.)
15:33 <@Sonata> not threatening so much as feeling-threatened
15:34 <@Sonata> i dunno, i wasn't there
15:34 <@Adelene> *shrug*
15:34 <@Sonata> anyway, I'ma go have tea with my mom
15:34 <@Sonata> see y'all later
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15:34 <@Adelene> It's also very different body language than I have in situations where there's an external threat, but. *shrug*
15:34 < rockeye> I'm not quite NT but probably closer to it than a lot of folks, not sure how to compare really
15:35 <@Adelene> *nod*
15:36 <@Adelene> (You do seem at least NT-socialized, Rockeye, which doesn't rule out being neurodivergent but does put a bit of a limit on how neurodivergent you might be.)
15:40 < rockeye> I had to see a counselor in grade, middle, and high school to function nondisruptively with all the other kids, but I'm definitely still closeish to the typical end of things
15:41 <@Adelene> Heck of a lot of wiggle room in that 'ish', sometimes. *chuckle*
15:49 < rockeye> I'm more obvious about it in person I suspect
15:49 <@Adelene> *nod* Most of us are.
15:50 < rockeye> Mostly I have trouble keeping track of social rules like eye contact and not interrupting people. Or tone of voice.
15:50 < rockeye> anyway, I should go back to work
15:50 <@Adelene> *nodnod*
16:54 < rockeye> the creeping doomed feeling returns
16:54 < rockeye> gah
18:02 < rockeye> I think earlier someone offered to read my research paper and say words about it?
18:02 <@Adelene> Tec, yeah. She should be back any minute but might not be brainful for a while.
18:02 < Teceler> I'm back, yeah
18:03 < Teceler> not positive how much brain I have, depends on what you want me to do
18:03 < Teceler> or, like, look for, evaluate
18:03 < rockeye> Probably nevermind. I found someone else to go over my draft and point out the obvious stupid mistakes I made.
18:03 < Teceler> something like that
18:03 < Teceler> okay
18:03 < Teceler> good luck with the paper
18:04 < rockeye> unless you *want to but I don't see why you would :P
18:04 <@Adelene> I suspect you could just post it on Alicornutopia and get some replies, if you wanted to. (Probably as a link to a google doc, if you want the option of taking it down after.)
18:05 < rockeye> heh, no, bit TOO public that one is
18:06 < rockeye> im for dinner, afk
19:00 < rockeye> glowfic is gonna be really slow until after finals week isn't it
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19:33 < rockeye> ho sonata
19:33 < rockeye> hi*
19:33 <@Sonata> hi
19:41 < rockeye> the ads above mibbit are a bit annoying
19:42 <@Sonata> Can I interest you in a dedicated IRC client? Ad-free, efficient in both CPU and memory, and feature-rich -- all for the low low price of zero dollars and zero cents!
19:43 < rockeye> hm where
19:44 <@Sonata> I use hexchat: https://hexchat.github.io/
19:47 < rockeye> how to set up hexchat?
19:48 <@Sonata> Download, install, and run. As far as I know.
19:48 <@Sonata> What OS are you on?
19:48 < rockeye> no i mean the settings to connect to this channel;
19:49 <@Sonata> oh
19:49 < rockeye> i have it running
19:49 <@Sonata> server: irc.psigenix.net port: 6667 channel: #backstage
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19:50 < stonetoe> hey it works im logged in to this twice
19:50 < stonetoe> ok
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19:51 <@Sonata> Welcome!
19:52 < rockeye> hexchat is not client I am used to but it doesn't have stupid ads that sometimes decide to be something embarrasing so
19:54 * Adelene favors Pidgin, which is an all-in-one chat thing.
19:55 * rockeye doesn't use chat other than irc so this'll do
19:58 <@Adelene> 'k
20:00 < rockeye> messing with alert settings
20:00 < rockeye> please say something in ~10s
20:00 < Teceler> something
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20:00 < stonetoe> tray...
20:00 < stonetoe> that should not have closed the client. hm.
20:01 < Teceler> hm
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20:05 < nars> I've logged on 3 times with hexchat i suspect it doesn't log me out when I closed the first ones
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20:05 < Teceler> oh, that's the irc server
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20:05 < Teceler> ...
20:05 < rockeye> there we go
20:05 < Teceler> oh, yeah
20:05 < rockeye> for some reason it minimized to tray instead of outright closing
20:05 < Teceler> it's probably minimizing the windows
20:05 < rockeye> looking at preferences
20:06 < Teceler> but sometimes if you close an irc window weirdly (usually by killing the process or it crashing) your login hangs around for a while
20:06 < Teceler> which is what I assumed was going on
20:06 < rockeye> because server does not recieve message that I quit, it think I'm still listening
20:07 < rockeye> and only drops it after a few minutes of inactivity
20:07 < Teceler> yup
20:17 < Andygal> Yeah.
20:39 < rockeye> I am in the unique position to not be the one doing all the work at the last minute for a big team project
20:39 < rockeye> This other guy decided he'd do it all himself
20:39 < rockeye> I'm doing documentation instead I guess
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21:49 < Faceless> Hi everyone o/
21:51 <@Adelene> o/
21:53 < Faceless> So, how are things?
21:53 < Faceless> (who plays Sapphire?it was mori?)
21:54 < rockeye> yeah its mori
21:55 < Faceless> ah, I was curious about behind-the-scene stuff
21:55 < Faceless> specifically why and when did a time-policing-elemental-entity watched a star trek movie xD
22:05 < Faceless> I am reading Miles and Yvette in the Betan Colony
22:06 < Faceless> this is going to intesively emotional, right?
22:06 < Andygal> Yes.
22:08 < Faceless> and both Kappa and Aestrix are writing... great
22:12 < Andygal> Yes.
22:14 < Faceless> What is the problem with Beta Colony?
22:15 < Teceler> ?
22:15 < Faceless> the two keep complaining about betans
22:15 <@Adelene> It is Very Betan. (There are massive cultural differences. Also Betans look down on Barrayarans, sometimes justifiedly but often not.)
22:17 < Faceless> looking down on a "you are from a third world country" kinda of way?
22:17 < Andygal> I think that's kind of the thing, yeah.
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22:28 < Mori> Hi people!
22:30 < Teceler> hello
22:31 < Teceler> ...you just missed Faceless, they had a question for you
22:31 < Teceler> <Faceless> ah, I was curious about behind-the-scene stuff
22:31 < Teceler> <Faceless> specifically why and when did a time-policing-elemental-entity watched a star trek movie xD
22:32 < Mori> Ah, and one I actually had an answer to! It caused a time break she had to fix.
22:33 < rockeye> infinite loops of Thursdays are nobody's friend
22:34 < Mori> Exactly. A remake got made in 2364 when the original Star Trek was set, and that plus some particularly dedicated cosplayers plus a time travel subplot ended ... unfortunately.
22:34 < Teceler> pft
22:34 < Andygal> ...
22:35 < rockeye> What, are they tinkers from Worm?
22:35 < rockeye> how did they manage it
22:36 < Teceler> ?
22:36 < rockeye> how do cosplayers cause time travel
22:36 < rockeye> just 'that is a thing tech can do in that 'verse'?
22:36 < Teceler> ah
22:37 < Mori> Not deliberately -- in Sapphire's universe, time breaks are a thing that just happen, usually caused by a critical mass of anachronisms
22:37 < rockeye> oh dear
22:37 < Mori> yeah
22:38 < rockeye> are renfairs banned?
22:38 < Mori> no, although Sapphire would certainly approve
22:38 < Mori> she finds humans annoying for a reason. there are not nearly this many anachronisms on Jupiter.
22:39 < Teceler> ...pft
22:40 < Andygal> pfff
22:41 < Andygal> that's cause Jupiter is boring.
22:41 < Mori> true.
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23:00 * rockeye has a headache
23:00 < Andygal> awwww.
23:03 * rockeye is finding ibuprofin....
23:04 < Andygal> Ibuprofen, best friend!
23:09 * rockeye should probably sleep :/
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23:49 <@Adelene> hmmmmmm https://wish-i-may.dreamwidth.org/icons?sortorder=keyword
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13:11 * Sonata sighs at calendar
13:11 <@Sonata> why must monthday two be different from twosday
13:16 < Teceler> ?
13:21 <@Sonata> today is December Two, but yesterday was Tuesday
13:21 <@Sonata> this is unnecessarily confusing
13:21 < Teceler> ...ah
13:22 <@Sonata> all months should begin on Wonday, followed by Twosday
13:22 <@Sonata> and then, uh, Thirdsday
13:22 <@Sonata> not sure when to put When?sday
13:23 < Teceler> December also claims to be the tenth month
13:23 * Teceler shakes fist at calendar system
13:27 < rockeye> I'd prefer tendays to weeks. But god made the universe in seven days apparently so we should keep track of time that way???
13:28 <@Sonata> My rationalized calendar consists of four seasons of three months of three weeks of ten days, with seasons separated by intercalary holidays of one or two days as needed.
13:36 <@Adelene> On the other hand seven day weeks work pretty well for me from a spoon standpoint, if we're going with two-day weekends regardless. Eight days on and two days off would be too many days.
13:36 <@Sonata> I was thinking three days off, distributed as you like.
13:37 <@Adelene> *nod*
13:37 <@Sonata> since 2/7 ≈ 3/10
13:37 <@Adelene> sure.
13:45 < rockeye> I remember reading that americans work way more than other nations
13:46 < rockeye> developed*
13:46 < rockeye> nations
13:46 < rockeye> not sure if that's true
13:47 < Andygal> I think Japanese work way more than Americans.
13:49 < rockeye> well it was hearsay
14:05 <@Adelene> https://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=ANHRS
14:09 <@Adelene> (Japan's average in 2014 was less than America's, but not by much; Americal is midrange for the listed countries but the ones with more hours do seem to be less big-name-heavy-hitter type ones mostly.)
14:09 < rockeye> shrug
14:09 < Andygal> Huh.
14:12 * rockeye is deciding on which liberal arts elective to take as his last required college course...
14:13 <@Sonata> Creative writing?
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14:16 < rockeye> I'm looking through all valid offerings and making a list of at-least-nominally-interesting, maybe will post the list here when it's done
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15:17 < rockeye> I don't particularly want to roll a D12 to decide my last liberal ed elective
15:17 < rockeye> anyone want to help me pick from a list?
15:23 < rockeye> ...wait it turns out most of them don't fint my schedule because ABE 469 apparently needs a 3 hour lecture block
15:25 < rockeye> so of the 12 classes that sounded interesting at fiart it looks like TWO will actually fit my schedule
15:25 < Teceler> at least that reduces your list of things to chose from some?
15:34 < rockeye> Which sounds more interesting: GEO 101 Global Development and Environment or GEO 106 Geographies of Globalization
15:36 <@Sonata> I'd go for Geographies of Globalization
15:36 <@Sonata> based only on that
15:36 <@Sonata> but actually I'd recommend whichever teacher has the better reputation
15:36 < rockeye> woah hold on I missed 'art history' classes can you say easy A?
15:37 < rockeye> I'll need to look up the teachers to be sure which is which though
15:39 <@Sonata> remember though, wasting your time is wasting your money
15:40 <@Sonata> do you really want to pay $X for a non-educational easy A?
15:40 < rockeye> I need one more lib ed class to graduate
15:40 < rockeye> And the tuition is the same for 12 hrs or 15 hrs.
15:42 <@Sonata> i guess
15:42 <@Sonata> so the question is still do you want an easy grade, or an education?
15:43 <@Sonata> (i have to go)
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16:32 < rockeye> :/
16:49 < Andygal> wb?
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17:50 < Faceless> hello
17:51 < Andygal> Hi.
17:57 < Faceless> I am trying to get feedback on a small concept >.>
17:58 < Faceless> If it is a good idea to have a system using that takes some of D&D naming conventions such as having spells like "Telephatic Bond" and "Lesser Telepathic Bond"?
17:58 < Faceless> system that*
18:03 <@Sonata> I don't see a problem with it
18:06 < Faceless> thanks
18:06 < Faceless> I might find some other adjectives though
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20:41 < Faceless> Sapphire's world is doomed, doomed by nerds
20:42 < Andygal> nerds?
20:42 < Faceless> yup look: http://manyworlds.boards.net/post/5872/thread
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21:51 < Xom> looking at that thread i am so tempted to have somebody from a world where time doesn't work the same way *in the slightest* post
21:51 < Xom> also tempted to make a zybourne clock joke
21:52 < Xom> "Imagine zero balls on the edge of a cliff"
21:52 < Mori> oh please do that would be hilarious
21:52 <@Sonata> "
21:52 <@Sonata> But it wouldn't make any sense for you not to have time. That seems fundamental -- I don't know what a universe without time would even be like." pinging esthfora
21:53 < Teceler> pft
21:53 < Xom> I have no idea who would post the joke, but it goes like this:
21:53 < Xom> "Let me use this analogy. Imagine zero balls on the edge of a cliff. A complete lack of time works the same way."
21:54 < Mori> *snicker*
21:54 < Xom> also i'm kind of half-surprised that someone else here knows about zybourne clock
21:55 < Mori> yeah idk where I'd run across it but I'm a sucker for that kind of thing
21:56 < Mori> Sapphire would be so blindsided by time not working the same way -- she is not very good at, uh, empathy...or believing other people can be different from her
21:57 < Xom> oh man I could actually post as xom if i wanted
21:58 < Xom> "Well, you know how people are able to think for as long as they want in between turns? It's like that, except that the next turn never happens."
21:58 < Teceler> ....pfffffffft
21:58 < Teceler> ...now I have to actually make a character I've been considering so they can contribute to this thread, oh no.
22:00 < Faceless> oh yes!
22:00 <@Sonata> haha
22:02 < Xom> i did it
22:02 < Xom> i posted for the first time in forever
22:02 < Faceless> yay
22:02 < Mori> excellent!
22:03 < Xom> because it was a perfect opportunity to be perfectly confusing
22:03 < Faceless> it was :D
22:05 < Xom> i think in my mind i have this mental image of xom being the sort of person/god who plays the villain but is actually helpful in a weird way suspiciously often
22:05 < Teceler> pft
22:06 < Mori> "keeps its clockhands to itself" okay I love that
22:07 < Faceless> thanks!
22:16 < Faceless> poor Sapphire, is so confused xD
22:17 < Xom> you have no idea how tempted I was to have xom give the *full* explanation of time before i realized that he would be very quickly bored of explaining it
22:18 < Xom> also, it's worth pointing out (since it probably won't come up in character) that some gods were not, in fact, at the council meeting where time was implemented
22:18 < Xom> qazlal and gozag weren't, for instance
22:18 < Teceler> pft
22:18 < Xom> ... because they didn't exist
22:19 <@Sonata> ooh
22:19 * Teceler uploads avatar, hums
22:20 <@Sonata> Where is this lore coming from?
22:20 < Faceless> that is a reason not to go to a time implementation meeting
22:20 < Faceless> but
22:20 < Faceless> the comite could have easily solved that problem
22:21 < Xom> sonata, are you asking me?
22:21 <@Sonata> yeah
22:22 < Xom> it comes from being very literal about game mechanics almost to the point of fourth-wall-breaking
22:22 < Faceless> gozag and qazlal didn't exist in the first version of the game?
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22:23 < Xom> They were implemented rather recently
22:23 < Xom> also xom probably wasn't in the first version either but i'm looking up version history now and i believe xom was in the first version that *had gods*
22:25 < Xom> if he wasn't then i'm setting an arbitrary beginning of existence somewhere
22:25 < Faceless> dotted line is the only nightvalean that posts in the forum?
22:25 < Teceler> actually Janice has posted a few times
22:25 < Xom> ok as far as I can tell xom was in stone soup 0.1.0 and i have no way of getting Linley's Dungeon Crawl version history so
22:25 < Teceler> as Cloaked, iirc
22:25 < Teceler> but mostly yes
22:26 < Faceless> Teceler, well next when Kel is up, suggest her to post in the time thread. With something original or with a variation of "Time is weird, so is space"
22:28 < Xom> did you know that, to the perception of (most?) of the gods, having a hasted creature exist somewhere actually slows down the entire flow of time
22:28 < Faceless> o.o
22:30 < Teceler> ...why do I get the impression that trying to translate this post is giving MS a (metaphorical) headache? (It probably isn't, she's good at translation, just,)
22:30 < Teceler> (where 'this post' = 'the post I am currently writing')
22:30 < Faceless> what about it is headache inducing?
22:31 < Teceler> ...it's kind of hard to explain. other than the images thing, which is a thing
22:33 < Xom> I kind of want to have Elyvilon explain time but I can't quite come up with the words to explain a typical roguelike energy-based system outside of the context of a simulation
22:33 <@Sonata> now I want to hear Cheibriados explain how time works in Zot
22:34 < Xom> ugh i'd be terrible at talking in-character as chei plus i don't have an account for her
22:35 < Xom> that is an excellent idea otherwise though
22:36 < Faceless> who is chei and ely again?
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22:37 < Xom> elivilon the healer is one of the three 'good' gods and the only one i'd really call good
22:37 <@kappabeta> hello i am here to brag about my emotionally intense teenagers and then go to bed
22:37 <@kappabeta> *brag*
22:37 < Xom> and for chei: " Cheibriados is a god of deliberation. Those following Cheibriados travel more slowly the further they progress in their faith, and are forbidden from using any means to hasten themselves. In the process of so imitating their god, they attain perfection of mind and body, and the mysteries of time unfold before them. Especially devout followers may even momentarily abandon the flow of time and its needless disturbances."
22:37 < Teceler> hello kappa
22:37 < Xom> hello kappa
22:37 <@Sonata> hello kappa
22:38 < Faceless> hello kappa
22:38 < Faceless> kappabeta: to give you more reason to brag, that thread made me grin all day
22:39 <@kappabeta> eeeee!
22:39 <@kappabeta> i am Very Proud of Emotionally Intense Teenage Miles
22:39 < Xom> oh man someday i will catch up on glowfic
22:39 < Faceless> you should, jesus christ, you should
22:39 < Xom> and i will know what this fuss is about
22:39 < Faceless> (that was meant at kappa)
22:40 <@kappabeta> :D :D :D :D :D
22:40 < Xom> and i'll show up and be like "hey guys how about that emotionally intense teenage miles!" and you'll all groan at me for being behind-the-times
22:40 <@kappabeta> xom: if you wish to investigate this fuss *in particular* it's here http://pixiethreads.dreamwidth.org/6872.html
22:40 <@Sonata> no way, we'll be I KNOW RIGHT and go reread the thread
22:41 < Faceless> Xom, depending we might rejoice again for bringing back the memory.
22:41 < Xom> i don't really have the time to read 226 comments right now, but thanks
22:41 < Faceless> that thread is memorable
22:41 <@kappabeta> if you go up to *me* in like a year and say "how about that emotionally intense teenage miles" i'lll be like GOD YES WASN'T THAT AMAZING
22:41 < Faceless> the amazest
22:41 < Faceless> (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:・ﾟ✧
22:41 < Xom> agreeing with me and groaning at me being behind-the-times aren't necessarily mutually exclusive
22:42 <@kappabeta> eee, flung sparkles
22:42 <@kappabeta> coming into chat to brag about my emotionally intense teenager was a good decision
22:42 < Xom> it seems that way, yes
22:42 < Faceless> ^_^
22:43 < Xom> man i wish i could examine things in detail without any time actually passing like Zot characters can
22:43 <@Sonata> that would be pretty great
22:43 < Xom> i would catch up on all the glowfic because it takes like .1 AUT to load a page
22:44 < Faceless> I would catch up with ALL OF THE THINGS
22:44 < Faceless> *remembers the endless list of to-read things and to-watch things*
22:45 < Xom> i'd probably own a lot more paper books too
22:45 < Xom> because flipping through the pages of a book doesn't use a turn according to established Zot fact
22:46 < Xom> (you can read the full descriptions of every spell in a spellbook in zero time)
22:47 < Faceless> that is convenient
22:47 < Faceless> now I am picturing a wizard middle battle holding out a hand and saying "hold on I need to check the blast radius of this spell"
22:47 < Teceler> pft
22:48 < Xom> actually i think turn-based-videogame-like mental speed is a superpower that has had works of fiction written about it
22:48 < Xom> like "The Gamer"
22:48 < Xom> also a very close approximation of it has been in glowfic before so
22:49 * Teceler pokes at translation
22:49 * Teceler decides it is adequate.
22:49 < Xom> also, Faceless, blast radius is usually magically visualizable as you cast a spell that has a blast radius
22:50 * Teceler posts.
22:50 < Faceless> Xom, I meant in like, a realistic situation not in a video-gamey situation, but fair point.
22:51 < Faceless> Teceler, freefall?
22:51 < Teceler> yes
22:52 < Teceler> (yes the post is deliberately confusing on my part)
22:52 < Teceler> (like, context-wise)
22:52 < Faceless> I gathered
22:52 < Teceler> ?
22:53 < Faceless> I gathered from your comments and context that the post is purposefully confusing.
22:53 < Teceler> ah
22:53 < Teceler> freefall is not trying to be confusing
22:53 < Faceless> I also gathered that
22:54 * Teceler is curious what else you've gathered
22:54 <@Sonata> I think they're asking how much takkarash they can mint from experiencing those various sensations
22:54 <@Sonata> and the avatar looks kind of like Troll Physics
22:55 < Teceler> Sonata: hm?
22:55 < Xom> once again the idea occurs to me to make a character from the DROD series' Great Underground Empire
22:55 < Faceless> Teceler, not sure what to make of that statement? o.o
22:56 < Teceler> (I'm guessing that's a thing in a specific universe that I am not sufficently familiar with)
22:57 < Teceler> (the avatar is the result of me spending several minutes in gimp. and is icly what got translated as 'freefall')
22:58 < Faceless> where freefall is from?
22:58 < Teceler> that is a Mystery
22:59 < Teceler> (as in, you are invited to try to work that out, I feel like not saying for the moment)
22:59 < Teceler> (I actually didn't add another list item because I thought it would probably give it away)
23:01 < Teceler> ...like, if you really want me to explain I guess I can?
23:01 <@Sonata> troll physics: https://i.imgur.com/2CjDW.jpg
23:01 < Teceler> ah
23:02 < Faceless> Sonata, if only.
23:02 < Teceler> ...this really feels like it should get an image
23:02 < Teceler> hm
23:04 < Teceler> pft
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23:12 < Faceless> hi again mori
23:13 <@kappabeta> hmm i realize i've fallen down a bit on the "go to bed" stage of the "brag and go to bed" plan
23:13 < Mori> hey again!
23:13 < Teceler> wb Mori
23:14 < Mori> did I miss anything exciting?
23:14 < Xom> you missed kappa bragging about something
23:15 < Xom> ... and, it would seem, failing to go to bed afterwards as planned
23:15 <@kappabeta> indeed
23:15 <@kappabeta> XD
23:15 <@kappabeta> Glowfic.
23:17 < Faceless> the perils of glowfic
23:17 < Faceless> that glow is like an anglerfish
23:17 <@kappabeta> snrk
23:17 <@kappabeta> <3
23:18 < Teceler> pft
23:18 * Teceler posts in the time thread, with an ooc description standing in for an image
23:19 < Faceless> Teceler, yeah that is... supposed to be a timey-wimey ball?
23:19 < Mori> @Teceler: wibbly wobbly!
23:20 < Teceler> that is not an inaccurate description XD
23:20 < Teceler> and I did in fact have that metaphor in mind there
23:20 < Teceler> (no freefall is not from that universe though)
23:21 < Faceless> huh, argh, I need to go to bed now. Which means I will read glowfic until I fall asleep. xD
23:21 < Faceless> good night everyone
23:21 < Teceler> sleep well Faceless
23:21 < Faceless> And remember Very Emotionally Intense Teenage Miles (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:・ﾟ✧
23:21 < Teceler> (it may help if I say that most of freefall's weird time stuff is my own invention/headcanon)
23:22 < Mori> good night Faceless!
23:23 < Faceless> o/
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23:24 <@kappabeta> man i'd forgotten how adorable Home is
23:25 < Teceler> very
23:26 < Teceler> *very adorable
23:27 <@kappabeta> "If I didn't do time then things wouldn't happen." --the most adorable universe
23:27 < Mori> ^^ this is so accurate
23:27 <@kappabeta> XD
23:27 <@kappabeta> <3
23:28 < Teceler> Sapphire is so confused, I expect
23:28 < Mori> ohhhh yes
23:35 <@kappabeta> Poor Home is very hazy on the idea of a terminological dispute. XD
23:35 < Mori> XD
23:35 < Mori> Sapphire is having her worldview majorly challenged
23:35 < Mori> (and not dealing with this very well)
23:37 < Xom> Xom is wondering who slipped Sapphire a potion of ambrosia
23:37 < Teceler> ...what do those do?
23:37 < Xom> since she seems quite confused
23:37 < Xom> "immediately inflicts you with 3-10 turns of confusion, during which time you also benefit from a greatly increased HP and MP regeneration rate (+3-5 HP and MP per turn on top of standard regeneration)"
23:38 < Xom> the relevant part is the confusion
23:39 < Xom> potions of confusion were removed in .16
23:42 < Mori> I <3 Home
23:42 < Teceler> home is a delight /agreement
23:43 < Xom> one could even say there's no place like Home
23:44 * Teceler groans.
23:44 < Mori> ouch
23:46 < Xom> ... words that appeared in my head: "'If you and the other Piantas could just follow me to your places so Mario could clear this stage that would be great', Tom chuckled"
23:47 < Xom> i'm sorry
23:51 < Xom> also, scrolling back a bit in the thread, xom almost wants to respond to Sapphire by giving an example of both a different boolean logic and a different time explained in complete detail
23:52 < Xom> ... but he'd get bored before he was even a quarter of the way through writing that
23:52 < Mori> that's too bad because it would probably make her head explode
23:53 < Xom> ... xom is currently pleading with elivilon to write up at least how time works
23:53 < Xom> elyvilon
23:54 * Xom just wants to see a head explode, is that too much to ask?
23:54 < Mori> never too much to ask
23:55 < Xom> Elyvilon, sadly, does not want to see a head explode
23:55 < Mori> awwww
23:56 < Xom> And she's the only other god with a forum account
23:56 < Mori> I'm sure Sapphire's head will get exploded eventually
23:56 < Teceler> could Xom ask someone to explain it and copy that to the forum, or would he still get bored too quickly that way?
23:56 < Xom> probably
23:57 < Xom> I mean, other gods could make accounts but they don't really have a reason to: xom has an account so he can mess with people, elyvilon has an account because diplomacy is her domain
23:58 < Xom> Chei would be the most capable of explaining it, but there's no reason for her to bother -- and besides, people post too often
23:58 < Xom> (in Chei's opinion, not mine)
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00:02 <@kappabeta> i am finally managing to go to bed, goodnight friends
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00:02 < Xom> goodnight
00:02 < Teceler> sleep we--
00:02 < Mori> good night
00:02 * Xom chuckles
00:09 * rockeye forgot this existed for a while
00:11 < rockeye> ok so that thing that is due Saturday?
00:11 < rockeye> no, it's due at 9 am
00:11 < rockeye> yay.
00:12 < Mori> oh, hurrah
00:12 < rockeye> so I'll just be doing that
00:12 < Teceler> good luck
00:12 < Mori> yeah I have a biology paper I'm procrastinating
00:12 < Mori> we can do panicky work together
00:12 < rockeye> bur first, does anyone have opinions on Grendyne?
00:12 < rockeye> She feels paper.
00:13 < rockeye> I think I used the phrase 'plot robot' earlier this week.
00:14 < Xom> at least it wasn't a robot plot
00:15 < rockeye> yes, that would be unfortunate
00:16 < Xom> unless it was a robot plot... to treat the humans to a nice dinner and a movie and talk about life
00:17 < rockeye> can I send image to this thing? I kinda want to share my stupid pitiful probably wrong Entity Relationship Diagram
00:17 < Teceler> or, you know, ordinary kinds of plotting that have nothing to do with them being robots
00:17 < rockeye> just to express my frustration with software engineering by ranting about it
00:18 < rockeye> ah, nevermind
00:18 < Teceler> software engineering does tend to induce that feeling
00:20 < rockeye> maybe I'll satisfy myself by pasting in my ridiculously simple and probably not 3NF database schema when I'm done writing it
00:24 <@Sonata> is an Entity Relationship Diagram the same thing as a shipping chart?
00:25 <@Sonata> and, I think irc doesn't directly support images, but you could post an imgur link
00:26 < rockeye> no, well, it shows how the thingies in your system deal with each other
00:26 <@Sonata> ...but I should go to bed in about -1.5 hours
00:26 < Xom> it's like a shipping chart... except for nonsentient code instead of people
00:27 < Teceler> pft
00:27 < Mori> that sounds like less fun
00:27 < rockeye> http://www.texample.net/media/tikz/examples/PNG/entity-relationship-diagram.png
00:27 < Teceler> (@Xom)
00:27 < Mori> I ship Repairs/Car
00:28 < Xom> ISA/employee/mechanic/salesman ot4
00:28 < rockeye> You read glowfic mori?
00:28 < Mori> I do! (although there is SO MUCH)
00:29 < rockeye> If you know my characters, do you ship any of them with anybody? Because I have exactly two headcanon ships. I wonder if you can guess.
00:30 < Mori> I don't think I know any of your characters yet! They are On My List. I will let you know about the ships I shall assuredly have once I have actually read them.
00:30 < rockeye> In order of when I wrote them, Nick, Steel, and Gren are the three that are awake enough to ship with things
00:31 < Mori> I am constantly amazed by this "awake" thing -- from the descriptions I've heard, I think it's a thing that just doesn't happen to me
00:31 < rockeye> the others who were oneoffs are Konni, Erin, and Major Gepard
00:32 < rockeye> Well, there's an extent to which I'm faking them being awake? Nick is the most of the three. Gren second.
00:32 < Teceler> ?
00:32 < rockeye> idk
00:33 < Xom> oh you're talking about that thing where you have a detailed enough model of a character that you can simulate them
00:33 < Teceler> I'm just not sure what you mean by 'faking being awake'
00:33 < rockeye> I say awake but they don't pop out of nowhere and say things like Kappa seems to have his. I just have sufficient model to simulate them.
00:33 < Xom> i was confused for a while
00:34 < rockeye> Like, Nick is agressively repelled by the idea of being tied down
00:34 < rockeye> and goes into an almost tinkery fugue
00:34 < Teceler> mm, to a degree I think that's, like, habitually simulating them in response to things / in the background? or functions similarly to that
00:34 < rockeye> and Gren is really kinda passive and lazy beneath the surface? Doesn't have a lifelong goal unless one is supplied to her.
00:34 <@Sonata> Steel feels the most shippable to me
00:34 < Xom> yeah, any thoughts can come unbidden
00:35 < rockeye> I still don't know what Steel is thinking....
00:35 < Xom> character simulations are no different in that regard, as far as i'm aware
00:35 < Xom> save for the fact that humans have mirror neurons etc
00:35 < Teceler> Nick doesn't seem very shippable, except maybe with a fellow traveller or something along those lines
00:36 <@Sonata> Nick might get along with the dimension-hopping x-twins
00:37 < rockeye> I'll not quite yet spoil the one character nick is attracted to, but I haven't talked to their author to see if it's onesided
00:37 <@Sonata> and Steel might work well with an Yvette
00:38 < Teceler> now I'm /curious/ XD
00:38 < rockeye> It doesn't really make SENSE but my model spat out 'nick likes that person' anyway
00:39 < rockeye> hmm should I just say it?
00:39 < Teceler> only if you want to
00:39 < rockeye> Sable.
00:39 <@Sonata> hmm
00:39 < Teceler> iiinteresting.
00:39 <@Sonata> I can see that.
00:39 < Teceler> I could see that, yeah
00:39 <@Sonata> He can feed her
00:40 < rockeye> her, hm, attitude towards nonsense is a big part of it
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01:07 < rockeye> yay, database design
01:16 < rockeye> not sure if it's better or worse that I won't actually have to write queries in the garbage schema I'm throwing out...
01:25 * rockeye is sleepy now
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01:26 < Teceler> sleep sounds like a good idea
01:26 < Teceler> good night all
01:26 < Andygal> goodnight.
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10:03 * rockeye is nervous...
10:42 < Xom> https://twitter.com/lowtax/status/672440525543243778/photo/1 i kind of want this to be a real thing
10:43 < Xom> i mean, if you can reach through it and poke someone surely you can also pass other matter through it right
10:49 < rockeye> Augh, brain shut up why did you remind me of THAT
10:50 < rockeye> If you had a portal generator, undercut FedEx. Or just sell it to them.
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11:08 < rockeye> o hi
11:09 <@Sonata> hi
11:09 < rockeye> overall things do not seem so bad today
11:09 <@Sonata> oh good
11:09 < rockeye> not as bad as they did last week
12:48 <@Sonata> Dinosaurs are neat.
12:49 <@Sonata> That is all.
12:49 < Teceler> ...I am curious about what resulted in that statement XD
12:51 <@Sonata> reading Dinosaur Comics
13:08 < rockeye> I am a bit sad that the Mythbusters are finally done for good
13:31 <@Sonata> that is yes a sad
13:31 <@Sonata> ;_;7 farewell
13:32 < Teceler> wait, I didn't hear about this. what happened?
13:41 * Teceler consults the internet, is vaguely surprised she didn't hear about this earlier
15:13 < rockeye> the internet is viciously creatively satirical sometimes...
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15:37 < rockeye> ~finals~
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15:38 < Faceless> o/,
15:42 <@Sonata> hello
16:34 < Faceless> sorry got distracted with banished >.>
16:34 < Faceless> also, hooray for forum activity! :D
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17:46 * rockeye peeks
17:49 < Andygal> Hi.
18:05 < Faceless> hi
18:05 < Faceless> still there rockeye?
18:06 < rockeye> ya
18:06 < Faceless> So, could you elaborate on Nick x Sable?
18:07 < rockeye> I'ts less nick x sable and more nick --> sable since idk sable's feels
18:07 < Faceless> fair point
18:07 < Faceless> what was the other ship?
18:08 < rockeye> grendyne x not telling
18:08 < Faceless> can we guess?
18:08 < rockeye> I am unwilling to confirm nor deny guesses at this time
18:09 < rockeye> but sure
18:09 < Faceless> ok
18:09 < Faceless> So... What exactly a plot robot is? I wouldn't call your characters that
18:10 < rockeye> that was mostly me being under finals!stress
18:10 < rockeye> And worrying that I'm forgetting who my characters are
18:11 <@Sonata> Ahrotahn is pretty shaped-by-circumstance
18:11 <@Sonata> actually most of my characters are defined externally
18:12 < Faceless> rockeye, happens to all of us.
18:12 < rockeye> who's ahrotahn again
18:12 < Faceless> sonata, what kind of circumstance?
18:12 < Faceless> she is from the ages world?
18:12 <@Sonata> yeah
18:12 <@Sonata> Myst/Uru/D'ni
18:14 <@Sonata> circumstance like... she started as Myst Protagonist, and later she developed a bondage kink when I discovered Ashenzari, and she literally installed masochism because of takkarash...
18:14 <@Sonata> i mean, she /kind/ of has her own personality? but it's always been triggered/seeded/precipitated by outside things
18:15 < rockeye> Steel thinks Cam is pretty but is not romantically attracted to him beyond that
18:15 <@Sonata> like, I'd have a really hard treating her as templatey
18:15 < rockeye> Demon CAm
18:15 <@Sonata> she changes too much when transplanted
18:16 < Teceler> you can't set up events in the transplant to still get her?
18:16 < Faceless> what teceler said
18:16 < Faceless> and Rockeye, I borderline classified Steel a asexual
18:16 < Faceless> not in the "actually asexual" sense, but on the "don't think of her as a sexual creature sense"
18:16 < Faceless> Nick is similar
18:17 < rockeye> Yeah that's about right
18:17 < Faceless> why he doesn't like being tied up?
18:17 <@Sonata> yeah, that's what I got the feeling like too
18:17 <@Sonata> re: set up events: maybe? I don't feel like there's enough of an attractor, minor/moderate changes in circumstance tend to result in corresponding changes in her, rather than her elasticing back to a center
18:17 < rockeye> Nick not so much asexual as he kinda pretends to be because getting attached to someone is scary
18:18 < rockeye> steel just doesn't care
18:18 <@Sonata> that sounds more like nick is aro, to me
18:18 < Faceless> I would say that...
18:19 < Teceler> ...like, that's closer to aro than ace, but that doesn't nessecarily sound aro to me?
18:19 < rockeye> he's not even aro necessarily - i almost want to compare him to Logan in the more recent movies. If pressed into a relationship he could liek it but by default he's not gonna seek one out
18:19 < Faceless> romance and sexuality look not-important to either character stories that they don't eally register to me
18:19 < rockeye> *wolvering
18:20 < rockeye> gah for some reason I always type 'wolvering' instead of 'wolverine'
18:20 < rockeye> maybe I am just too used to ing
18:20 < rockeye> it's one keystroke to me
18:20 <@Adelene> Muscle memory.
18:20 < Faceless> like, for all I know, Nick goes weekly to a brothel in another dimension, it is just completely irrelegant to his stories... i am not making any sense.
18:21 <@Sonata> no, that makes sense
18:21 < Faceless> irrelevant
18:21 < Faceless> *
18:21 < rockeye> nick is offended by the huge waste of money a brothel would be
18:21 <@Sonata> sexuality isn't /important/ to who he is
18:21 < Faceless> pfft xD
18:21 < Faceless> Sonata, nailed it
18:21 < Teceler> pft
18:22 < Faceless> rockeye what he thought about walking around a bunch of naked witches?
18:23 < rockeye> Well, they said they don't mind. I'll try not to pay any particular attention to it.
18:24 < Faceless> I suppose he has to get some level of... cultural flexibility if he is going around dimension hopping
18:25 < rockeye> I think it's a little interesting that I think it easier to write a straight female character than a gay female character despite myself being attracted only to females?
18:26 < Faceless> huh, I actually worried about the opposite (having problems writing female-attracted characters)
18:27 < rockeye> I don't *actually* have a model of what being attracted to a male is like but for some reason when I'm being a character I can almost kinda sorta do it
18:29 < Faceless> maybe you are sort of... reversing what you want a female to find attractive in you...? someone technobabble this up with sciency words. Cognitive Bias! Mirror Neurons!
18:29 < rockeye> that sounda like part of it.
18:30 < rockeye> or more like 'things this character would be attracted to in a female translated onto a guy'
18:31 < Faceless> maybe you are like better at modelling straight relationships, both ways?
18:31 < rockeye> idk
18:31 < Teceler> brains are weird
18:31 * Faceless shrugs
18:34 < rockeye> I think I'll tell the person Gren is attracted to
18:34 < Faceless> the weirdest
18:34 < rockeye> it's not actually very interesting
18:34 < Faceless> ok
18:35 < Faceless> ?
18:36 < rockeye> It's Shawn, her wolf. It's just *the done thing* when imprinting happens and she falls into that neatly. If there were some other setting where forced relationship might be a thing - arranged marriage or something - she could manage that fairly well too unless incompatible orientation or the guy in question is just terrible
18:36 < rockeye> she's floaty in terms of relationships
18:37 < Teceler> huh
18:38 < Faceless> yeah, I think you mentioned she is sort of... lazy, I think she is also direction-less?
18:38 < rockeye> she does not have her OWN direction
18:38 < Faceless> yeah that
18:38 < rockeye> if provided with a direction shem mostly agrees with she follows that
18:39 < Faceless> (temple: oh, she *is* a good student candidate)
18:40 < rockeye> And I will say in response to earlier conversation that nick is def not ace, he's attracted to people sometimes, just doesn't feel like doing anything about it
18:40 < Faceless> what would happen in a imprint/matebond style situation?
18:40 < rockeye> to Nick?
18:40 < Faceless> yup
18:40 < Faceless> and Steel, because why not.
18:41 < Teceler> ...I don't see Nick reacting very well
18:41 < rockeye> Carlisle type response, maybe
18:41 < rockeye> Steel... hm
18:41 < Teceler> huh
18:41 < rockeye> She'd possibly get stalkery
18:41 < rockeye> not sure
18:41 < Faceless> rockeye, I meant on the other direction the other person being the one in super-magical-love
18:41 < rockeye> she's not as awake
18:43 < rockeye> steel would let them hang around her but not readily submit to badgering or influince about where to go or what to do
18:43 < rockeye> Nick would... Not react very well. It's possible that a nice wandering-together result happens but it would be rough getting there
18:46 < Faceless> Gren is "whatever even if you are 13 yo"
18:47 < rockeye> he's 16 or 18 before she starts getting serious about it
18:47 < rockeye> but her mode at that point was basically 'this is a fairytale'
18:47 < rockeye> so I don't think it holds
18:48 < Faceless> I was mostly being sarcastic, sorry.
18:49 < Faceless> besides between the major 3 moieties, I don't think there are any big glowfic ships (or glowships)
18:49 < rockeye> she has few hangups about what is appropriate though. Gren I mean. Steel and Nick has more, but mostly in a personal sense
18:50 < Faceless> which is entirely reasonable
18:51 < rockeye> If Gren was gay she is not the type to feel icky or guilty about it even if society says so. She'll just get annoyed. Steel and Nick would feel icky and guilty and kinda milesy, really. Nick more than steel.
18:53 < Faceless> Do Nick and Steel even come in gay?
18:53 < rockeye> most characters can I think and mine are no exception. Steel more than nick though.
18:54 < Faceless> man, Nick sounds like the most awkward gay
18:54 < Teceler> ?
18:54 < rockeye> I wouldn't put numbers on them, but I feel like gay Gren is totally a thing, gay steel might be, and gay nick sounds unlikely but not actually *impossible* and bi is more likely?
18:54 <@Adelene> I could see Nick as gay, and I don't think he'd be more awkward about that than about being straight. Maybe less so, even.
18:55 <@Adelene> (Bi does seem more likely, though, yeah.)
18:56 < Faceless> it depends on the specific society, but Nick sort of come off as... not /good/ at relationships in a way that makes him rely on cultural norms to guide some of his behavior...?
18:57 < Faceless> like he would fret over the smallest things if you made the relationship just a bit more complicated, which would be true to pretty much anything not just different sexuality
18:57 < rockeye> yeah?
18:57 * Faceless makes vague gestures
18:58 * rockeye is bored now
18:58 < Faceless> sorry :/
19:19 < Andygal> :(
19:19 < Faceless> ?
19:37 < Faceless> I am reading Twig by wildbow, anyone else read it already?
19:48 <@Sonata> not me
19:49 <@Sonata> don't really intend to
19:49 < Andygal> never heard of it. Should I be reading it?
19:50 < Faceless> I only started, it hadn't reached OMGYOUHAVETOREADTHIS level like worm, but I am at 1-7
19:50 < Faceless> but it is already very... intense
20:09 <@Adelene> Pact wasn't nearly as good as Worm; I don't intend to read Twig.
20:15 < Faceless> I only lasted until act 4 of pact, it was too... dunno, the world had too many moving parts?
20:17 <@Adelene> I didn't mind the moving parts, it was more the lack of payoff that made me not come back when trigger issues scared me away.
20:26 < Faceless> [hugs]?
20:27 < Faceless> and until I read it, pact lacked any awesome moments.
20:27 < Faceless> or at least awesome moments of similar level to worm at the same stage?
20:27 < Faceless> anyway, I am liking the Twig setting
20:35 < rockeye> note to self read Twig by wildbow
20:41 <@Adelene> I mean, they weren't /bad/ trigger issues, it was telegraphed really obviously that the one character might be about to get into a situation that would make my brain freak out. And then I went 'Alicorn, let me know when it's past that please?' 'cause she was also reading it, and then a few months later when I remembered to ask her about it she was like 'meh, that never got any better and I stopped following it'.
20:41 <@Adelene> Which, y'know, fair.
20:51 < rockeye> I should pick Worm back up and read the rest
20:51 < rockeye> I got to ch 55 or so
20:51 < rockeye> I think
20:58 < Faceless> rockeye, short answer: yes
20:58 < Faceless> long answer: hell yes.
20:59 < Faceless> Adelene, Alicorn stopped following because of trigger issues or...?
20:59 < rockeye> I started getting bored around the time the Undersiders deliberately attacked Armsmaster
20:59 <@Adelene> *giggle* *nodnod* Do wait 'till you've got some time free though.
20:59 < rockeye> At some dinnner fancy
20:59 <@Adelene> Alicorn stopped following 'cause she didn't want to bother any more.
21:03 < Faceless> there is a worm podcast in case you like to hear things in situations that you can't read
21:03 < Faceless> I am honestly not sure what is boring about the dinner fancy attack?
21:04 <@Adelene> It's kind of a really bad place to stop, if you don't know about what comes after or to expect there to /be/ anything after.
21:05 < Faceless> yeah, and I still don't know... why stop /there/ like, it doesn't sounds a particularly boring place?
21:10 <@Sonata> I stopped reading a little ways into the Murder Nine arc, it was just too emotionally exhausting for not enough payoff
21:10 * Sonata forgets what they're actually called
21:11 <@Sonata> Slaughterhouse Nine?
21:11 < rockeye> yes
21:11 < Teceler> Slaughterhouse 9, yeah
21:17 < rockeye> It's kind of complicated by the fact that discussing plot for my Worm thread resulted in massive spoilers
21:17 < rockeye> So I probably won't finish it
21:17 < Faceless> huh
21:17 < Faceless> too bad
21:17 < Teceler> ...did you get spoiled on Golden Morning?
21:18 < Faceless> I am vaguely surprised that I wasn't left all that much... exhausted by worm as some people did
21:18 < rockeye> I got spoiled about Cauldron and Sciono
21:18 < Teceler> ah
21:24 < Faceless> too bad :p
21:24 < Faceless> too bad :/ *
21:25 < Faceless> it was accidental spoilerly?
21:39 < rockeye> I am mad at my college course counselor
21:39 < Andygal> why?
21:39 < rockeye> Having just discovered that she probably lied and said I need more classes than I actually do
21:40 < rockeye> Tuition is per credit hour, you know
21:40 < Andygal> ah.
21:40 < Teceler> ouch
21:40 < Faceless> o.o
21:40 < rockeye> gonna call someone else in a different department to discuss my DARS report
21:42 < rockeye> tomorrow, offices close at 4
21:48 < Faceless> good luck?
21:58 * rockeye is somewhat disturbed by his own thoughts sometimes
21:58 <@Sonata> It's okay to be evil.
21:59 < rockeye> more like perverted
21:59 < rockeye> tmi?
21:59 < Andygal> Nah.
21:59 < Faceless> not much so far?
21:59 < Faceless> I mean this /is/ the crowd that reads about jokers
22:00 < rockeye> fair enough
22:00 < Faceless> I am not saying there aren't limits, but they are further away than the average
22:00 < rockeye> It's almost certainly not beyond jokers
22:00 < rockeye> Don't want to say what the disturbing thought actually was though
22:01 < rockeye> unless you lot are just insatiably curious
22:01 < Andygal> If you don't wanna talk about it you don't have to.
22:01 < Faceless> yup
22:01 <@Sonata> Zero pressure in either direction.
22:01 < Faceless> I am kinda distracted by Twig just now
22:02 < Faceless> it is experiencing [intensity intensifies]
22:02 < rockeye> It was a thought inspired by 'shiver sweet' takkarash kit that apparently contains a Tasp as well
22:02 < rockeye> from OTC
22:02 < rockeye> and got me thinking about applications of OTC's other things
22:03 < Andygal> if it exists, somebody has used it for sexual purposes. Somehow.
22:04 < Andygal> People are creative like that.
22:04 < rockeye> yes. I'm just unused to my brain generating examples on its own
22:04 < Faceless> hahaha
22:04 < Faceless> Now you are making me afriad of looking at OTC products list again xD
22:06 < rockeye> Not all of them are like that, it was just one, and now I'm thinking about a similarly fantastical thing that OTC doesn't sell but is the kind of thing it might
22:06 < rockeye> The portal gun, from portal
22:06 <@Sonata> ^^
22:06 * Teceler says nothing
22:06 < rockeye> or a miniature version
22:06 < Faceless> ...
22:06 < rockeye> ayep
22:06 * Faceless sporfles
22:06 < Andygal> and now I'm reminded of the "I want to put my rod of wonder in your portable hole" joke.
22:07 <@Sonata> definitely better than putting a bag of holding in a portable hole
22:07 < Andygal> Negative space wedgie!
22:08 < rockeye> Recursive bags of holding are the kind of thing the TSAB gets a headache over dealing with...
22:09 < Faceless> tsab?
22:09 <@Sonata> Time Space Something Bureau
22:09 < rockeye> Aurora's world
22:09 < Faceless> ah
22:09 < rockeye> yay, brains
22:09 * rockeye is afk
22:09 < Faceless> I wonder what they say about putting treasure chests inside treasure chests in terraria
22:10 * Sonata tries to backronym kinky space wedgies... Bosonic Dimensional Spatial Manifold?
22:10 < Andygal> I have no idea what that thing would even be.
22:11 <@Sonata> it's mostly technobabble for "negative space wedgie"
22:12 < Faceless> I wonder how difficult it is to use a D&D summon outsider spell to get laid
22:12 < Teceler> well, how much critera can those take?
22:13 < Faceless> I think some can summon angel/demon class of beings to perform tasks?
22:13 < rockeye> I recall 'demonic booty call' as one of demon cam's activities
22:13 * rockeye resumes being fake afk
22:13 < Faceless> exactly!
22:14 < Faceless> I think planar ally works similar to daevinity summon?
22:16 < Faceless> ...
22:17 < Faceless> I thought about the obvious kinky use of Animate Object
22:17 < Faceless> >.>
22:17 < rockeye> Ari talked about blank bodies once
22:17 < rockeye> ectoplasm that lasts ~1hr
22:17 < rockeye> and does what you expect it to do
22:19 < Faceless> made of ectoplasm and shaped like you want to
22:19 < Andygal> Ugh. Basement dwellers.
22:20 < Faceless> yeah, like I don't think they ought to work like that, but I am glad that Alicorn made like so
22:21 < rockeye> If I was a demon I'd have a live-scale remote controlled recreation of the armored and airborne parts of the second battle of El Alamein
22:21 < rockeye> or some similar thing
22:21 < Faceless> that... is specific
22:21 < rockeye> or, you know, other historical military things
22:22 < rockeye> when there's no people getting hurt, virtual or otherwise.
22:22 < Andygal> That seems somewhat technically challenging.
22:23 < Faceless> you mean a historial reenacting?
22:23 < rockeye> not necessarily accurate
22:23 < rockeye> but I would definitely have remote controlled military hardwares shooting at each other
22:26 <@Sonata> pew pew!
22:27 < Faceless> xD
22:27 <@Sonata> it says something about human nature that, given a cyberspace in which we can create any kind of world, we very often choose 'capture-the-flag with grenade launchers'
22:27 < Teceler> pft
22:27 < Faceless> I am not entirely sure what to do with my daevahood, except maybe "a lot of art"
22:27 < Faceless> Sonata, that sounds like a fun hell-game
22:31 <@Sonata> pervy Animate Object: https://www.fimfiction.net/story/44054/
22:34 < Faceless> Am I going to regret clicking this link?
22:34 < Faceless> likely
22:34 < Faceless> still going to do it
22:34 < rockeye> oh god, MLP?
22:34 < rockeye> seriously?
22:35 < Faceless> rockeye, yes seriously, sweet summer child
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22:35 < Faceless> and I just read the description and closed the link
22:35 < Faceless> :/
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22:42 < rockeye> before I forget: see google.com/starwars
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22:42 < Andygal> Welp.
22:44 < Faceless> ?
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23:04 < Faceless> good night o/
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00:41 < rockeye> Gren is really... Casual.
00:41 < rockeye> I love discovering things about characters
00:42 < rockeye> instead of putting them in
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01:06 < Mori> Hey
01:07 < rockeye> hey?
01:07 < rockeye> oh, hi mtc
01:08 < Mori> Hey rockeye also :)
01:12 < Andygal> Hi Mori
01:13 < Mori> Hi!
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01:57 < rockeye> Mori you're sapphire right?
01:57 < rockeye> oh she's gone
01:57 < rockeye> well, if you get chat logs, tag when you return?
02:08 * rockeye should probably have been asleep hours ago...
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02:09 * Teceler glances at clock, winces
02:09 * Teceler should probably go sleep soon, too
02:37 < Andygal> ....yeah me too.
02:42 < Teceler> dear brain
02:42 < Teceler> we were going to go to sleep what happened to that
02:42 < Teceler> um
02:42 < Teceler> good night all
02:42 < Teceler> sleep well Andygal
02:51 < Andygal> goodnight.
Post by Mother Starlight on Dec 5, 2015 17:15:42 GMT
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12:11 < rockeye> hi
12:11 < Teceler> hello
12:11 <@Sonata> hello
12:37 < rockeye> I am Annoyed at my college
12:38 < rockeye> we were -utterly convinced- I needed exactly two more courses to graduate, but no, four
12:38 <@Sonata> argh
12:38 < rockeye> why did this not get caught when we talked about it last summer?
12:38 < rockeye> I mean srs
12:38 <@Sonata> Life lesson: never believe anything unless you get it in writing.
12:38 < Teceler> because apparantly they fail at information
12:57 * rockeye sigh
14:50 < rockeye> god, college is expensive
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15:13 < Faceless> hi
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15:49 * rockeye is glad his phone is waterproof
16:10 < Faceless> it is too late to ask why?
16:10 < rockeye> I was making a food
16:10 < rockeye> it got dropped in ingredients and then the ground
16:10 < rockeye> and my dog ran off with it
16:10 < Faceless> ...
16:10 < rockeye> ... indeed
16:10 < Teceler> well
16:10 < Faceless> I sympatheze, but that is very sitcom-ish hilarious xD
16:11 < Teceler> waterproofingw ould be useful in that case, yes
16:11 < rockeye> a bit yesa
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16:31 < Faceless> hi Sonata o/
16:32 <@Sonata> hi
16:32 < rockeye> yay, distractions from studying
16:33 < Faceless> o.o?
16:33 < rockeye> I should be studying things. But that's really really boring.
16:34 < Faceless> question: besides Botanical do we have other biopunk-related stuff in the forum?
16:34 <@Sonata> Test Bed
16:37 < Faceless> ok
16:38 < Faceless> I dont quite remember the specifics of test bed world, except for some notion that it got squicky?
16:38 < rockeye> magic power is generated by orgasms
16:39 < rockeye> and erovores can make biotech things
16:39 < rockeye> that's about all I remember about it
17:16 <@Sonata> erovore-designed biotech is grown in human wombs
17:18 < Faceless> ah, I knew I was missing something... unsavory
17:18 < Faceless> o.o
17:18 < Faceless> it gets out... normally?
17:20 <@Adelene> Variations on, anyway.
17:24 < Faceless> ok, the factor that is spooking the most... it usually doesn't grow too much and/or finishes it growth outside?
17:24 <@Sonata> yeah
17:25 <@Sonata> we're not dealing with anatomically improbable stretchiness
17:30 < Faceless> ah, ok
17:32 < Faceless> couldn't rule it out
17:50 < Faceless> people mentioned "Fleeing 2: The Flee-ening" in the squee thread. Can anyone explain the context?
17:55 <@Sonata> in "greeting cards"
18:00 < Faceless> thanks
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19:02 < rockeye> bluh
19:03 < rockeye> Evenstar's been missing all week huh
19:03 < rockeye> OTC thread is accumulating a lot of old requests
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19:19 < rockeye> Hey sonata
19:19 < rockeye> do you know where Evenstar went?
19:19 <@Sonata> hi
19:19 < Teceler> Evenstar's been doing that recently
19:20 < Teceler> iirc she's busy
19:20 * Teceler goes to poke at logs.
19:20 < Teceler> busy, yes. university
19:21 <@Sonata> I don't
19:23 < Faceless> yeah, remember her mentioning something along those lines too.
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20:08 < Faceless> hi mori
20:08 < rockeye> w
20:08 < rockeye> oops
20:08 < rockeye> ignore that
20:08 < Mori> hey people; hi Faceless
20:08 < Faceless> ^^
20:10 < Faceless> What happened to Sapphire?
20:10 < Mori> She is off being Peevish because her worldview was shaken. She'll be back.
20:11 < Faceless> It happens with the best of us
20:11 < Mori> Relatedly, I'm having trouble getting Silver's voice to be sufficiently distinct. I think I need to rewatch some episodes where he appears.
20:11 < Faceless> just the winking helps him being different
20:12 < rockeye> what show are elements from?
20:12 < rockeye> And he seems much mm friendlier to me
20:13 < Faceless> Sapphire and Steel
20:13 < Faceless> it is a old british show
20:16 < rockeye> ping on MWF by SPQR if anyone is interested
20:17 < Faceless> what kind of firepower are we talking about here, rockeye?
20:17 < rockeye> on who? the witches or the neuroi?
20:18 < Teceler> ...freefall is having opinions
20:19 < Teceler> I'm... not entirely clear on what they /are/
20:19 < Faceless> neuroi
20:19 < Teceler> but there are definitely opinions happening there
20:19 < rockeye> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpkS3fP6DZI
20:21 < Faceless> what is they goal?
20:21 < rockeye> unclear
20:21 < Teceler> you haven't decided, ooc?
20:22 < Teceler> or you don't want to say?
20:23 < Teceler> ...hm, is there anything on the forum suggesting the scale of disaster that Venice being destroyed is?
20:23 < rockeye> In canon, it's unclear but somewhat implied that they want to use Earth's resources without interference from the pesky humans shooting at it before realizing that hey maybe humans are people. In headcanon, they want to propel humans to higher reaches by pushing them to the limits of desperation but not beyond.
20:24 < rockeye> Well, it's the name of a place and might be a city or something, is that enough?
20:24 < Faceless> Well, a lot of forum people should know about Venice
20:24 < Teceler> as far as freefall goes? not really, unless there's more translation being helpful there
20:24 < rockeye> I'll edit it to say the city of Venice
20:25 < rockeye> done
20:25 < Teceler> I mean, Freefall's probably going to ask--okay
20:25 * Teceler pokes Freefall about whether/to what extent they have a concept of 'city'
20:26 < Faceless> Sonata, do you have any characters that have interdimensional travel?
20:26 < rockeye> who's freefall
20:26 < Teceler> Freefall's my new character
20:27 <@Sonata> Ahrotahn has limited interdimensional travel
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20:27 < Teceler> whose background I have not oocly detailed very much yet
20:27 <@Sonata> QDS used to sell Gate and Plane Shift but are currently kidnapped
20:27 < Teceler> (I know at least some of it, but)
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20:27 < Mori> sorry for disappearance, dinner
20:27 < Teceler> is mibbit being mibbit?
20:27 < Teceler> ah
20:27 <@Sonata> MS may be able to help with interdimensional egocasting
20:28 < rockeye> SPQR can send a teleported with an adequately defined Place
20:28 < rockeye> teleporter*
20:28 < Faceless> I was thinking it is a really bad... plot-detriment that there isn't some more available methods of interdimensional travel.
20:28 < Mori> (Faceless, rockeye, thanks for feedback on Silver -- that's actually really helpful)
20:29 < Faceless> rockeye, oooh that could work for now
20:29 < Faceless> Mori, you are welcome :D
20:29 < Teceler> I think I decided that Gate can't get to where Freefall is, unless I decide to put them somewhere else than where I was planning / later in my headcanon re: their timeline
20:29 <@Sonata> I think it's actually really good for plots
20:29 <@Sonata> interdimensional travel can be either available or not as the plot requires
20:31 < Teceler> (They're more likely to help with this and more able to get there if I put them after the thing where they get into the habit of helping people. ...otoh I bet that teleporter isn't subtle)
20:32 < Faceless> Sonata, I didn't mean it should be always available, only more so.
20:32 <@Sonata> aha
20:33 < Teceler> (also they'll have less fun toys to play with unless there is a raid on somewhere else included. +their thing doesn't /scale/ terribly well. and you would want a ... different person ... for killing Neuroi, though they're not entirely unsuited)
20:34 < Teceler> (and I am rambling)
20:34 < Faceless> can't Vastra just nuke the neuroi out of existence?
20:34 < Teceler> ...mm, I think sufficently powerful things can resist, or something?
20:35 < rockeye> Nukes will not work on the Grand Hive Core
20:35 < Teceler> which the Neuroi can qualify if rockeye wants
20:35 < Teceler> assuming you mean Astra
20:35 < rockeye> Astra can destroy Neuroi spawn but not the core, unless she's present in the world
20:36 < Faceless> yeah
20:36 < Teceler> Astra has casual interworld transport
20:36 < Teceler> well, 'casual' isn't quite the right word? but
20:36 < Faceless> can she be... made noncasual?
20:37 < rockeye> I don't want to bend canon too much... But Astra seems enemy-plot-breaking.
20:37 < Teceler> yeah
20:37 < rockeye> The core is more than just Clarke's Laws-powerful though, it has metaphysical force
20:37 < Teceler> I would have to dig up the conversation about this re: other subjects
20:38 < Teceler> that I vaguely remember
20:38 <@Sonata> The obvious nerfs are that (1) she doesn't /like/ incarnating, and (2) people would be reasonable to not totally trust her to only delete the things they actually want deleted
20:38 < rockeye> yeah
20:38 <@Sonata> so she's kind of Godzilla-Threshold-y
20:38 <@Sonata> and of course her powers hasten the end of the universe
20:38 < rockeye> Also, Neuroi are technically people... Well, person.
20:39 < rockeye> So ideal solution involves negotiation
20:39 < Faceless> how you would even negotiate?
20:39 < rockeye> you'
20:39 < rockeye> you'd need to be able to communicate
20:39 < rockeye> and it doesn't understand the concept of language
20:39 < rockeye> yeah, tricky
20:39 < Teceler> um
20:40 < rockeye> ?
20:40 < Teceler> as Freefall would like to point out, communication does not require /language/, strictly
20:41 < rockeye> yeah but also the Neuroi kinda considers itself above or at least orthagonal to humans? It would have to have lost before it will negotiate.
20:42 < rockeye> The neuroi's state of mind is something like 'this is for your own good, your species will be better for it'
20:42 < rockeye> because it sees continuity of species on the same level as continuity of individual
20:42 < Teceler> ...oh, Freefall is going to have /very strong opinions/ about that
20:43 * rockeye will be back in ~hour
20:48 < Faceless> Sonata, Ahrotahn is only to the books right?
20:49 <@Sonata> right
20:50 <@Sonata> it may be possible to write Linking Books to /some/ worlds outside her cluster, but the default is not
20:50 < Faceless> ok
20:53 < Faceless> Lurker and the Vor-contigent all have interdimensional travel, right?
20:56 <@Sonata> yeah
20:57 < Faceless> okay, just making a list, I think Eva's Isabella and Yvette too, can't remember anyone
21:08 < Teceler> they both have Gate, yes
21:14 < Teceler> hm
21:17 < Teceler> Freefall is currently hesistating over either the likelyhood of trading their current... mm, problematic situation for another one (or getting someone else stuck in it) or the interworld transport getting noticed resulting in [bad things]. If I knew /which/ I might be able to write something
21:17 < Teceler> They're definitely o_O at the scale, though
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21:23 < Teceler> hmmmm
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21:34 < Faceless> Teceler, I don't think you revealed much
21:35 < Teceler> hm?
21:35 * rockeye is back
21:35 < Teceler> wb
21:36 < Faceless> wibbles
21:36 < Faceless> Teceler, I don't remember you talking about freefall's setting
21:37 < Teceler> I talked about how I am not talking about it I think? :P
21:38 < rockeye> For some reason I reminded myself of Edge of Tomorrow
21:38 < rockeye> timelooping schenannigans give me a headache...
21:39 < Teceler> ...
21:39 < rockeye> Your ... s seem vaguely judgmental Tec am I wrong about tihs?
21:39 < Teceler> they are not
21:40 < Teceler> I was wondering what resulted in that
21:40 < Teceler> and also what that book/movie/show/whatever was but I can ask google about that XD
21:42 < rockeye> time looping aliens are destroying humanity easily by fake timelooping precognition until guy gets same timeloop power via plot device
21:42 < rockeye> that much probably isn't spoilers
21:42 < Teceler> ...ah
21:43 < Teceler> (also, I irc-pmed you a little bit back and I'm not sure you saw it?)
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21:48 < Faceless> what did I miss?
21:48 < rockeye> nothing
22:00 < Faceless> ok
22:01 < Faceless> So, I am unsure how the core can even be dealt with?
22:02 < rockeye> Canon is big magic-and-life sacrifice
22:03 < rockeye> Nuke wouldn't do it. Endbringer would. Clarktech could, depending.
22:03 < Faceless> clarktech?
22:03 < rockeye> Clarke's laws
22:04 < rockeye> any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic
22:08 < Faceless> huh... okay, so what about a epic-level artifact?
22:08 < Teceler> define 'artifact' for this purpose?
22:08 * Faceless shrugs
22:09 < Faceless> I was actually thinking about the Gren x Temple sandbox when asked that question >.>
22:09 < Teceler> ah
22:09 < rockeye> something big enough to be a Big MacGuffin might do it and leave only 'getting close enough to apply the thing'
22:10 < rockeye> Hell, I think the Avatar State might even be able to do it.
22:10 < rockeye> But it definitely takes Special Power
22:11 < Faceless> Temple backstory includes him deciding to sacrifice his *currently* life to create an Artifact of Power that I haven't specified. I think that could generalize to have other volunters to be part of the sacrifice too..
22:12 < rockeye> Such an Artifact Of Power would suffice if it was sufficiently weaponlike
22:14 < Faceless> Cool
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22:34 < Faceless> gotta go
22:34 < Faceless> o/
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22:57 < Mori> I am amusing myself with the fact that Silver thinks "ghost" is a technical term
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23:48 < rockeye> who's Branch?
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00:06 <@Adelene> Leaf's mother, run by Kappa.
00:09 < rockeye> well, ping branch
00:12 <@Adelene> Kappa's asleep.
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Post by Mother Starlight on Dec 6, 2015 17:25:47 GMT
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12:31 < rockeye> yay, studying
12:47 < Andygal> Studying.
12:48 <@Adelene> yay.
13:06 < rockeye> I just have to keep telling myself. In a week, 6 days actually, it'll all be over... One way or the other.
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13:24 < Faceless> hello?
13:28 < rockeye> hi
13:33 < Faceless> how many people are going to today's movie night?
13:45 * Teceler is trying to decide if anyone used/tried to use time anomalies as weapons in the Age of Dragons (Cassiel's world)
13:46 < Teceler> ...which, really, the question there is 'did anyone work out how to produce them deliberately and in a sufficently controlled manner (ie not massively damaging to the side using them after whatever precautions)
13:46 < Teceler> the lack of them that I can remember lying around probably points to 'no'
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13:48 < Teceler> (I"m pretty sure they /happened/, that is the kind of thing that correlates with reality being collateral damage)
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16:33 * rockeye is So Bored
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17:28 < rockeye> hi
17:40 < Faceless> hi
17:40 < Faceless> Sorry
17:40 < Faceless> went to eat pizza
17:40 < Faceless> which takes priority over everything else, as you know
17:40 < Andygal> pizza rulez.
17:44 < Faceless> 4ever
17:44 < Faceless> ^^
17:47 <@Adelene> movie night! http://www.mycircle.tv/164-9288-600/
17:50 < Faceless> the song "Towards the sun" still makes me want to see applied to glowfic somehow. I wish I had a better skill with faces so I could draw Angela rescuing Nathaniel
17:50 < rockeye> I've been listening to undertale OST over and over...
17:56 < Faceless> I am not all that familiar, but heard good things about it
21:06 < Faceless> I wonder if it is a bad thing or a good thing that I see Miles as possible protagonists of today's movies on the grounds of "Only a miles can get in this kind of troublem"
21:06 < Teceler> pft
21:06 <@Adelene> *snicker*
21:06 <@Adelene> I kinda feel like a Miles would /overshoot/ getting in the latter sort of problem, though. ^^
21:07 < Faceless> xD
21:08 < Faceless> I don't even wanna what a Miles would do with a spaceship at his disposal
21:08 < Faceless> (I mean, alien spaceship)
21:08 <@Adelene> :D
21:15 < Faceless> ^^
21:16 <@Adelene> (8:09:32 PM) Kappa: XDDDDD
21:16 <@Adelene> (8:09:36 PM) Kappa: what would a miles overshoot?
21:16 <@Adelene> (8:10:08 PM) Adelene: The movie in question is Flight of the Navigator, which I can give a synopsis of if you're not familiar but it'll take a minute.
21:16 <@Adelene> (8:10:25 PM) Kappa: i'll google it
21:16 <@Adelene> (8:13:24 PM) Adelene: [synopsis]
21:16 <@Adelene> (8:13:51 PM) Kappa: XDDDDDDD
21:16 <@Adelene> (8:13:56 PM) Adelene: That's, uh.
21:16 <@Adelene> (8:14:02 PM) Adelene: Not what would happen given a Miles. ^^
21:16 <@Adelene> (8:14:11 PM) Kappa: Yeah that seems like... yeah XD
21:16 <@Adelene> (8:14:18 PM) Adelene: Dunno what /would/, but it wouldn't be that. ^^
21:16 <@Adelene> (8:15:21 PM) Adelene: I feel like NASA would come out quite a bit worse, for one thing. ^^
21:16 <@Adelene> (8:15:27 PM) Kappa: snrk
21:16 <@Adelene> (8:16:02 PM) Kappa: yeah, kidnapping and confining a Miles is just not a wise course of action, generally speaking
21:16 <@Adelene> (8:16:08 PM) Adelene: <3
21:16 <@Adelene> (8:16:15 PM) Kappa: <3
21:18 < Faceless> <3
21:21 <@Sonata> ...
21:21 <@Sonata> Miles. At Battle School.
21:21 < Faceless> So much love for our fire-inducing puppy
21:21 < Faceless> Sonata o.o
21:21 <@Adelene> *snrrrrk*
21:21 < Faceless> my brain is giving error messages
21:22 <@Adelene> .(8:22:06 PM) Kappa: ... shiiiiit :D :D :D
21:22 < Faceless> Adelene, tell kappa the following message without additions: yep
21:22 < Faceless> *please
21:23 <@Adelene> (done)
21:24 < Faceless> Like, it might sound like I am joking, but good lord. My mind doesn't want to compute the result, except on the vague terms of how messed up the battleschool teachers would be afterwards
21:24 <@Adelene> :D
21:24 <@Adelene> (8:24:19 PM) Kappa: XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
21:26 < Andygal> Yeah, Miles would utterly fuck shit up.
21:26 <@Sonata> Actually...
21:27 <@Adelene> mmmm?
21:27 < Faceless> ?
21:27 <@Sonata> Consider /Ivan/ at Battle School, with Miles on Earth playing Demosthenes/Locke.
21:27 <@Adelene> *snicker*
21:27 < Faceless> I am not familiar enough with the source material, context?
21:27 * Teceler predicts Ivan being unhappy about this.
21:27 <@Sonata> Superbloggers manipulating global politics.
21:27 < Faceless> ah, ok.
21:28 < Faceless> I still fill that due to ivan being there, Miles would leave a "there are no survivors" situation
21:28 <@Adelene> (8:28:11 PM) Kappa: dfsdkjfh XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
21:29 <@Sonata> Except instead of 'no survivors', more like 'befriend the buggers and steal the International Fleet'
21:30 < Faceless> yeah, I meant career-wise survival xD
21:30 < Andygal> No no, imagine a Libby playing Demosthenes.
21:30 < Faceless> also ivan at battle school is making me sad :(
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21:32 <@kappabeta> i have been enticed
21:32 <@Adelene> <3
21:32 < rockeye> If Gren got treated like Ender she'd probably explode at them and end up back on Earth
21:32 < Andygal> <3
21:32 <@kappabeta> hah
21:32 <@kappabeta> Seriously though, I SO want to see a Miles at Battle School.
21:32 <@kappabeta> Possibly with a Mark and an Aaron along for the ride.
21:33 < Teceler> Aaron?
21:33 <@kappabeta> third triplet when they are triplets
21:33 < Teceler> ah
21:33 * Teceler nods.
21:33 <@kappabeta> Except they might be disqualified on grounds of disability, but I could give them a disability that let them punch other children without getting maimed
21:34 <@kappabeta> in completely unrelated news, does anyone have a poem to suggest that Miles read in Emotionally Intense Teenagers
21:35 < Faceless> they all alwayys get the disability?
21:35 <@kappabeta> Usually.
21:35 <@kappabeta> Because it usually happens when Miles is a fetus, and they're triplets.
21:35 <@kappabeta> So there would have to be an awfully selective disaster for the other two to escape unscathed.
21:35 < Faceless> ah, yes, that is hard to explain away
21:36 < Andygal> Some form of mild cerebral palsy?
21:37 <@kappabeta> i don't know enough about the thing to know if it suits
21:37 < Faceless> would this world have mutants too?
21:38 <@Adelene> My impression is that there are multiple causes for CP, but it could certainly get just one of them for some types. Being tripplets would even make it more likely.
21:38 <@Adelene> That'd be an 'at birth' thing rather than a 'before birth' thing, but I think that's good enough?
21:42 <@Adelene> (CP is brain damage affecting the parts of the brain that control someone's muscles, basically; there are different types and I don't know a /ton/ about them but it comes in a range of severities from 'can go completely undiagnosed' to 'functionally quadriplegic' and does sometimes come with physical deformation on account of the affected muscles pulling on the bones in weird ways as the person grows.)
21:43 <@kappabeta> the full set of characteristics for a proper Miles disability is: Caused by some harm that befalls the Miles's mother while she is pregnant with him as a result of external hostile action. Involves significant amounts of pain. Lasts at least through Miles's entire childhood and, where applicable, causes him to be short.
21:43 <@Adelene> (Also, it's caused by oxygen deprivation; a difficult birth can cause it.)
21:44 <@kappabeta> aha
21:44 <@Adelene> Something that made her go into premature labor could cause it; I think that'd affect all three but it wouldn't necessarily (or even probably) affect them to the same degree. Pain is a thing; shortness not so much but maybe there's some variant that does that that I don't know about.
21:45 < Andygal> I was thinking if the Miles was the lastborn after a hard labour that would do it.
21:45 < Faceless> original canon was a drug/venon thing?
21:45 < Teceler> actually the antidote for a poison
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21:50 <@Sonata> Does the poetry have to be Shakespeare? Because I could see Miles going for some Milton. Or maybe one of the Romantics.
21:50 <@kappabeta> It does not have to be Shakespeare.
21:51 <@kappabeta> Miles wants it to be something he can put some feeling into, so good themes are loneliness, homesickness, depression, disability, anything else you expect him to have feelings about
21:51 <@Sonata> "Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven" could be a way to mess with any Betans who know his secret identity
21:51 <@kappabeta> XDDDDDDDDD oh my god
21:51 <@kappabeta> where is the there of that
21:51 <@Adelene> *snrrrrrrk*
21:51 <@Sonata> it's from Paradise Lost, spoken by Lucifer
21:52 < Andygal> XDXDXD
21:52 < rockeye> the poem that sprung to my mind was more Doom than loneliness and disabilitym srys
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21:52 < Andygal> Ok then.
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22:06 < Teceler> ...did I miss anything?
22:06 < Andygal> [18:50] <@Sonata> Does the poetry have to be Shakespeare? Because I could see Miles going for some Milton. Or maybe one of the Romantics.
22:06 < Andygal> [18:50] <@kappabeta> It does not have to be Shakespeare.
22:06 < Andygal> [18:51] <@kappabeta> Miles wants it to be something he can put some feeling into, so good themes are loneliness, homesickness, depression, disability, anything else you expect him to have feelings about
22:06 < Andygal> [18:51] <@Sonata> "Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven" could be a way to mess with any Betans who know his secret identity
22:06 < Andygal> [18:51] <@kappabeta> XDDDDDDDDD oh my god
22:06 < Andygal> [18:51] <@kappabeta> where is the there of that
22:06 < Andygal> [18:51] <@Adelene> *snrrrrrrk*
22:06 < Andygal> [18:51] <@Sonata> it's from Paradise Lost, spoken by Lucifer
22:06 < Andygal> [18:52] <Andygal> XDXDXD
22:06 < Andygal> [18:52] <rockeye> the poem that sprung to my mind was more Doom than loneliness and disabilitym srys
22:07 < Teceler> ...okay the last thing I have does not involve poetry
22:08 <@kappabeta> last before you left the room was (9:46:10 PM) Teceler: actually the antidote for a poison
22:08 < Teceler> huh
22:08 < Teceler> oh the poetry was earlier
22:08 < Teceler> okay
22:08 <@Adelene> pasted
22:08 < Teceler> thanks
22:10 <@Sonata> https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Infant_Sorrow_%28Songs_of_Experience%29
22:11 <@Sonata> (@kappabeta)
22:12 <@kappabeta> haha
22:12 <@kappabeta> nice one
22:12 <@kappabeta> i suspect he'd be laughing too hard to read it the way he wants to
22:13 <@Sonata> https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Sonnet_132_%28Shakespeare%29
22:14 <@kappabeta> hmmmmmmmm
22:15 <@Sonata> https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Sonnet_140_%28Shakespeare%29
22:15 <@Sonata> (140 maybe not so much deeply heartfelt as annoyed at Betans)
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22:35 <@Sonata> https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Sonnet_90_%28Shakespeare%29 kappabeta
22:38 <@Sonata> I feel like there /should/ be Romantic poetry about Hephaestus
22:38 <@Sonata> but I can't find it
22:38 <@kappabeta> omg hephaestus
22:38 <@kappabeta> poetry with a strong meter about hephaestus: yes please
22:39 < Andygal> omg
22:40 <@Sonata> (He's even married to Liny^D^D^D^DAphrodite.
22:40 <@Sonata> )
22:40 <@kappabeta> sdafsdfaasdfasdsdfssfg XD
22:41 < Teceler> pft
22:41 <@kappabeta> i mean emotionally intense teenage miles is notably _not_ married to linyaphrodite
22:41 <@kappabeta> but
22:41 <@kappabeta> XD
22:41 <@Sonata> yes
22:41 < Andygal> XDXD
22:41 <@Sonata> and linya is rather more sexually-faithful than aphrodite
22:42 < Andygal> Not saying much.
22:42 <@Sonata> true
22:42 <@Sonata> really all they have in common is shrennaki husbands, phenomenal cosmic power, and weapons-grade pretty
22:43 <@kappabeta> pfffffffffffffffffffffffffff
22:43 <@kappabeta> and on that happy note, i shall go to bed
22:43 <@kappabeta> goodnight friends
22:43 < Teceler> pfft
22:43 < Teceler> sleep well
22:43 <@Sonata> goodnight friend
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22:43 < Andygal> sonata, that belongs in the quotefile. Somebody quotefile that, quick.
23:07 * rockeye is finishing reading Worm, spoilers or no spoilers
23:13 <@Sonata> sometimes when i am excited i wag my feet
23:14 <@Sonata> said excitement is usually because of glowfic
23:14 < Andygal> XD
23:14 < Andygal> glowfic makes me very excited, also.
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23:37 < Faceless> hi?
23:39 < rockeye> hi
23:39 < Andygal> Hi.
23:44 < Faceless> hi again
23:44 < Faceless> things are quiet here?
23:45 < Faceless> "really all they [Linya and Aphrodite] have in common is shrennaki husbands, phenomenal cosmic power, and weapons-grade pretty" o.o?
23:49 < rockeye> if you want weapons grade pretty it has to be that one Volturi witch, who was it agh
23:57 <@Sonata> Heidi
23:59 < Faceless> or we can go with those Jokers played-by that actor Shendil whatshisname
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00:25 < Faceless> good night o/
00:25 < Teceler> sleep well
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13:37 <@Sonata> Hi Demo
13:38 <@Sonata> long time no see
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14:07 * rockeye should really be studying for his other final but kinda feels like a break after just taking one...
14:20 < Demo> hi sonata i guess i got disconnected while i was asleep
14:20 < Demo> and so i fell back on my secondary name
14:20 < Demo> (i'm xom)
14:21 <@Sonata> oh
14:21 <@Sonata> I have trouble keeping track of that sort of thing
14:22 < Demo> that's part of why i've been xom more often than demo
14:22 < Demo> the other part is laziness
15:27 < Demo> i'm taking an online survey and it's about fashion and i'm deeply concerned that the poor company sponsoring the survey is going to be terribly confused by my opinions
15:27 < Demo> i mean, i'm still going to finish the survey since it's in my own selfish interest but
15:28 < Demo> oh also
15:28 -!- Demo is now known as Xom
15:31 < Xom> "please tell us all the brands of [type of clothing] you know about"
15:32 < Xom> "brands? what? i thought brands were only on weapons?"
15:32 < Xom> (actual answer was "can't think of any")
15:32 <@Sonata> Dexterity, cold resistance, haste...
15:32 < Teceler> pft
15:33 < Xom> those are called something else, not brands, is the point
15:33 < Xom> enchantments?
15:34 < Xom> the fact of the matter is that i am the least fashionable man in the world
15:34 < Xom> (assuming one counts anti-fashion as fashion)
15:40 < Xom> "Imagine a casual fashion brand that is ideal for you. Please answer with all of the following that apply to your ideal brand."
15:41 < Xom> first option is "I like it"
15:41 < Xom> well
15:41 < Xom> at least there's one question i can answer correctly
15:41 < rockeye> They probably apply the same set of questions to all the 'brands' even 'your ideal'
15:42 < Xom> yeah they did
15:43 < Xom> also i'm going to check both 'feminine' and 'manly' here
15:51 < rockeye> they usually study aggregate data
15:51 < rockeye> you'll probably be ignored as an outlier
15:51 < Xom> true
15:51 < Xom> that and there are probably many people who tie with me for least fashionable man in the world
15:52 < Xom> so we're a known category
15:53 < Xom> still, it's like "this survey is about fashion? uhhhh well thanksforthemoneybye"
15:56 < Xom> actually, thinking about it, i guess it is worth something to them to know exactly how many people don't really care about fashion
15:56 < Xom> that is a fact they can obtain
15:57 < Xom> maybe one day there will be a brand of clothing marketed towards people who don't care about clothing
15:58 < Xom> (i have relatively high confidence this will never happen)
15:59 <@Adelene> I'm near-100% sure it's more proffitable for them to keep trying to convince everybody that they're obligated to care.
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15:59 <@Adelene> Because people who do are so much more profitable to sell to that losing some of them isn't worth picking up the extra demographic.
16:00 < Teceler> ugh
16:00 <@Adelene> yup
16:00 <@Adelene> corporations: not your friend.
16:00 < Teceler> that's not surprising, just, ugh
16:01 <@Adelene> (There's actually probably something really interesting to be said about brand loyalty as emotional labor, but I don't have enough bits of it.)
16:05 <@Adelene> I'm not sure 'brand loyalty' is the right term there, actually. I don't mean the thing where you're in a store and you grab a branded thing because it's what you're familiar with. I mean the thing of having actual opinions about brands.
16:06 <@Sonata> the kind of /loyalty/ seen in e.g. Mac fans
16:06 <@Adelene> yes, that.
16:09 <@Adelene> ok, I was going to go to the library, let me go see if I have clean pants.
16:10 < Xom> do you have fashionable pants
16:10 <@Adelene> nope ^^
16:11 * Adelene actually has a pretty distinctive look, but their wardrobe is mostly made up of pretty nondescript things.
16:11 <@Sonata> Any pants can be fashionable if you wear them right.
16:12 <@Adelene> heh.
16:12 <@Adelene> In my case it's the exceptions to the 'mostly' that do the thing.
16:12 < Xom> actually i'm pretty sure i'm wearing fashionable pants right now
16:12 < Xom> because jeans are jeans
16:13 <@Adelene> *nod*
16:13 <@Adelene> I actually don't own any jeans.
16:13 <@Adelene> Jean-style courdoroy pants, a few pairs, but nothing in denim.
16:19 <@Adelene> (A standard Ade outfit is pants or a long skirt in black or brown or dark blue, t-shirt or similar in a dark color, brown leather vest, brown newsboy cap, brown leather boots, optional thing-in-a-glass-jar necklace or two.)
16:20 <@Adelene> ...that's the wrong word for the thing. it's a cabbie cap.
16:20 < Xom> see you're color coordinated that's already more fashionable than me
16:20 <@Adelene> heh.
16:21 <@Adelene> Black and brown are technically not colors you're supposed to wear together but I think they look good. ^^
16:21 <@Sonata> '"'"'supposed to'"'"'
16:21 <@Adelene> indeed.
16:22 <@Adelene> It does work better if it's black pants/skirt and a black shirt, instead of only one of those being. Brown pants and black shirt seems to work okay too though.
16:22 < Xom> wow i only just now noticed i'm wearing an american eagle outfitters sweater and that's one of the brands the survey was asking about
16:23 < Xom> you'd think i would have noticed sooner, what with the brand patch on my left sleeve and all
16:23 <@Adelene> heh.
16:37 <@Adelene> All right, off to the library I go.
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19:27 < Faceless> hi
19:31 <@Sonata> hi
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19:34 < Faceless> hi, sonata, how are you?
19:35 <@Sonata> am ok
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19:55 < Faceless> hi rockeye
20:02 < rockeye> hi
20:12 < Faceless> are you planning anything interesting with SPQR?
20:12 < rockeye> not really
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20:43 * rockeye made a list of gren's permanent powers
20:44 < Faceless> how long it is?
20:45 < rockeye> not all that long
20:45 < rockeye> i keep adding to it probably
20:45 < Faceless> pm it?
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20:58 < stonetoe> man why does hexchat keep DCing me
20:59 <@Sonata> :shrug: ~it is a mystery~ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
20:59 < Faceless> Internet Gremlins, they mess with your computer.
20:59 < Teceler> is your internet connection stable?
21:01 < stonetoe> who wanted a PM of my list?
21:01 < Faceless> o/
21:02 < stonetoe> finishing it hold on
21:03 < stonetoe> Flying (above average)
21:03 < stonetoe> Shields (above average)
21:03 < stonetoe> Blasts
21:03 < stonetoe> Elemental manipulation
21:03 < stonetoe> Listening for life force
21:03 < stonetoe> Nearby target tracking
21:03 < stonetoe> Comms network
21:03 < stonetoe> Chain lightning attacks
21:03 < stonetoe> Can manifest a crystalline pierce-most spear
21:03 < stonetoe> Can teleport self, small objects to familiar locations
21:03 < stonetoe> Greatly enhanced long-distance and peripheral vision. Can see through most materials, weather
21:03 < stonetoe> Charge projectiles to enhance accuracy and power, even causing projectiles to curve
21:03 < stonetoe> Can temporarily turn herself, other things invisible
21:03 < stonetoe> Telekinesis, various kinds
21:03 < stonetoe> Immobilizing people (field where motion is impossible)
21:03 < stonetoe> Powerful voice - loud and attention-getting
21:03 < stonetoe> Crude empathy
21:03 < stonetoe> Light, hardlight
21:03 < stonetoe> In Aurum:
21:03 < stonetoe> Alec
21:03 < stonetoe> Maggie
21:03 < stonetoe> Dwi
21:03 < stonetoe> Jasper
21:03 < stonetoe> Renata
21:03 < stonetoe> Benjamin
21:03 < stonetoe> In Worm:
21:03 < stonetoe> Grue (slightly)
21:03 < stonetoe> Vista (space manipulation)
21:03 < stonetoe> Browbeat (short range self telekinesis)
21:04 < stonetoe> Skitter (slightly)
21:04 < stonetoe> Has great difficulty copying tinkerness
21:05 < stonetoe> oops
21:05 < stonetoe> did I put it here
21:05 < stonetoe> yeah I did
21:05 < Faceless> yup you did
21:06 < Faceless> that list makes me considerable less self-conscious about Temple's possible spell-list
21:06 < stonetoe> note to self: /query does not like newline characters
21:06 < stonetoe> wait until the pm is established to paste text containing them
21:07 < Faceless> query?
21:07 < stonetoe> ./query is the command I use to initiate PM
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00:49 < rockeye> anyone awake in here?
00:49 * Teceler is awake
00:51 < Teceler> why?
00:51 < rockeye> I should be asleep or studying but I am neither, I am tagging.
00:51 < rockeye> yay brain
00:51 < Teceler> ah
00:52 < Teceler> can you study between tags?
00:52 < rockeye> ya
00:52 < rockeye> well kinda
00:53 < Teceler> that might be slightly too intermittent/interrupted for optimal studying efficency, but it does come with built-in breaks
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02:13 < rockeye> meh, I should sleeps
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02:13 < Teceler> sleep well?
02:13 < Teceler> oh too late