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Post by Mother Starlight on Oct 26, 2015 14:42:01 GMT
04:29 -!- Andygal has quit --- Log closed Sun Oct 25 10:39:43 2015 --- Log opened Sun Oct 25 10:39:52 2015 10:39 -!- MotherStarlight has joined #backstage 10:39 -!- Irssi: #backstage: Total of 6 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 5 normal] 10:39 -!- mode/#backstage [+o MotherStarlight] by ChanServ 10:40 -!- Irssi: Join to #backstage was synced in 22 secs 11:10 -!- Teceler|Asleep is now known as Teceler 11:10 < Teceler> ...was an Evenstar! 11:19 -!- FacelessFrog has joined #backstage 11:19 < Teceler> hello Faceless 11:24 < FacelessFrog> hi 11:32 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 11:33 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 11:34 <@Sonata> hello 11:44 < FacelessFrog> hi 11:44 < Teceler> hello Sonata 11:44 < Teceler> according to my logs MS dropped very briefly and didn't miss anything 11:47 <@Sonata> ok, thanks 11:47 -!- mode/#backstage [+v MotherStarlight] by Sonata 11:47 -!- mode/#backstage [-o MotherStarlight] by Sonata 12:18 -!- FacelessFrog has quit 12:45 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 12:51 < Andygal> Hi. 12:53 <@Sonata> hi 14:01 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 14:03 < Faceless> Greetings 14:03 < Andygal> Hi. 14:04 <@Sonata> hi 14:45 < Faceless> who is Sapphire? someone new? 14:45 < Teceler> yes 14:45 < Teceler> as seen in Backstage 14:55 < Faceless> ah, just checking 15:10 < Teceler> ...okay notification emails using characters names is kinda hilarious 15:15 < Faceless> ? 15:16 < Teceler> about forum posts? 15:16 < Faceless> I want you to elaborate why it is kinda hilarious 15:16 < Teceler> ah 15:16 * Teceler waves hands vaguely 15:16 < Teceler> I am imagining the characters getting them? 15:16 < Teceler> kinda? 15:21 <@Sonata> :D 15:21 <@Sonata> some characters actually might! 15:21 < Teceler> Tyche does have something somewhat (if fairly different in manifestation) like that set up, I'm pretty sure 15:22 < Teceler> but, um, one of the characters I just got those emails for was Thorn 15:23 < Faceless> ? 15:24 < Teceler> who really would not be getting notifications at the moment 15:24 < Faceless> ah, I havent read that sandbox 15:24 < Teceler> ? 15:24 < Faceless> everyone keeps warning that only horrible stuff happens in it? 15:24 < Teceler> ? 15:28 < Andygal> well there are hugs. 15:28 < Andygal> which are not horrible. 15:28 < Teceler> are you talking about godsfire? which is not a sandbox? 15:28 * Teceler is confuse. 15:29 < Faceless> ah, yes, godsfire, I think, or wherever is the place where tons of trauma happens because Eclipse is horrible? 15:30 < Faceless> and i used the term "sandbox" incorrectly 15:30 < Faceless> additionally, someone should convince Eva to have the OTC sell something called "*something* sandbox" for meta-humor 15:31 < Teceler> okay someone who is not me needs to gauge the trauma-scale so far because, after thinking about it some, I really can't. (I could /maybe/ for a part or the overall thing but it's hard distinguishing what is currently up from plans right now) 15:31 < Teceler> (for that purpose I mean) 15:32 < Andygal> it's not that tons of trauma happens in the thread, it's that Thorn and Steve have tons of trauma left over from past events. 15:33 < Teceler> ...that is a good summary of things yes 15:35 < Faceless> ah 15:35 < Faceless> what I remember from Thorn is that she is a kind of copy that wasn't considered a person? 15:35 < Teceler> ? 15:35 < Faceless> And Steve has to deal with being himself *disgusted voice* that steve carlsberg 15:36 < Faceless> What is Thorn's trauma? 15:36 < Teceler> ...congrats you now have a very angry Thorn on your hands 15:36 < Faceless> ...??? 15:36 < Teceler> re: Steve 15:36 < Teceler> you do not do that 15:37 < Teceler> I'm sorry I cannot explain the other thing now she is too loudly upset about this in my head 15:38 <@Adelene> *hugs for Thorn* 15:38 < Teceler> Thorn: [is hugged] [insists that Steve should have the hugs though] 15:39 <@Adelene> *reminder that hugs are not a limited resource* ^^ 15:39 < Teceler> this is why she is not rejecting the hugs, yes 15:39 <@Adelene> *chuckle* 15:39 < Andygal> (Hugs for everyone!) 15:40 < Faceless> I would offer hugs, but I am too confused o.o 15:40 <@Adelene> Anyway, Steve's deal is that his world of origin is awful and he has a magic that makes him a particular target of some of that awfulness. 15:41 < Faceless> ah, wait, Thorn is mad at me because I did a Nightvale's joke? 15:41 < Teceler> that particular one 15:41 <@Adelene> Thorn is /very protective/ of Steve. 15:41 < Teceler> she is furious about multiple aspects of the way Steve has been treated 15:41 < Andygal> Thorn is a good. 15:41 < Faceless> sorry, I assumed that neither character would be listening on our conversation 15:42 < Teceler> yeah that's kind of hard to avoid on my end 15:42 <@Adelene> That's really hard to avoid when the character in question is awake, yes. ^^ 15:43 < Faceless> Does it help that I in fact wouldn't treat an person this way and the revelation about Steve being good made my opinion on Cecil drop significantly 15:43 < Teceler> to be fair to Cecil, Nightvale. 15:43 < Teceler> but 15:43 < Teceler> yeah 15:44 < Faceless> also, I sometimes think my characters are getting awake, but sometimes it reverts back to me showing through the cracks 15:44 < Faceless> like all those recent Endarkened threads 15:44 < Teceler> hm? 15:44 < Faceless> when it reached the bits about elves and questions 15:45 < Faceless> half of my characters would say "Okay, that sounds made up but okay" 15:45 < Faceless> and the other would basically be extremely mad about the situation 15:45 < Faceless> which is a very /me/ reaction 15:45 < Andygal> why extremely mad? 15:46 < Faceless> it feels like a extremely obnoxious social rule? 15:47 < Teceler> I mean. [words] having characters who have similiar reactions to some things as you would is not nessecarily bad? [wavy hands] 15:47 < Faceless> *pokes at Meta!Fenris* Meta!Fenris says: It supposed to be a form of politeness, but it feels too inconvenient to actually be poilte? 15:47 < Teceler> trying to define characters by how they are different from you seems like a recipe for disaster to me 15:47 < Faceless> Teceler, not necessarily bad, but given the group, it should be a bit more diverse 15:47 < Faceless> true, I didn't consult *every* character to seee what they think about it though 15:47 < Teceler> @meta!Fenris: I don't think it is to them, they're used to it 15:50 < Faceless> @Nonmeta!Teceler from meta!Fenris: They shouldn't be used to, it would be so much more straighforward if they aren't, not to mention it seems they adopt the rule in every situation that isn't outright war? Even when discussing messages from /god/ 15:50 < Teceler> ? 15:51 < Teceler> I'm sorry I'm having trouble parsing that 15:52 < Teceler> (also belatedly Thorn wants to say that that shouldn't be a joke and it isn't funny. It doesn't even qualify for black humor because context. and--more ranting that I'm not going to transcribe) 15:53 < Faceless> Asking question makes some aspects of communication much easier, faster and clearer. The elves have "War manners", that is when you /can/ ask questions, but Fenris thinks it shouldn't take outright war to force people to ask questions. 15:54 < Faceless> The elves don't adopt an equivalent of "war manners" when the wild magic (god) gets involved with a mission to people, even when said mission could save the world 15:54 < Teceler> I mean, they have a whole set of manners for clearly indirectly asking questions 15:54 < Teceler> (which I feel like kind of defeats the stated purpose but [shrug]) 15:54 < Teceler> (it's a cultural thing) 15:55 < Faceless> I got the impression it is actually /different/ or at least that outright asking still gets things done better 15:55 < Faceless> because "it would be nice to hear about x" still count as a bad way to require information, so you have to be even more indirect than that. 15:56 < Teceler> I think the War Manners are partly because they expect to be interacting more with other species there, honestly 15:56 < Teceler> intraculturally it seems to mostly work fine 15:58 < Faceless> huh, funny /I/ am getting... calmer on the subject, but Fenris is still a bit mad about it. 15:58 < Faceless> currenly we are agreeing that it feels... weird that a person would flinch when asked a direct question, though 15:59 < Teceler> because culturally that is a Bad Thing -- at the very least it's Extremely Rude 16:00 < Faceless> huh, the culture argument doesn't have that much weight with me and with Fenris... he has personal issues with when cultures go bad 16:00 < Faceless> :/ 16:00 < Faceless> *pets meta!fenris* 16:01 < Teceler> I'm not arguing the quality of that thing, just it's plausibility 16:01 < Teceler> I think the thing is that mentioning that something would be useful is not technically requiring it, while questions got categorized as doing so? 16:02 < Teceler> I am as clueless as you about why that cultural line got drawn there, but it doesn't seem like a horribad cultural trait to me 16:02 < Faceless> rephrase that? 16:02 < Teceler> [words] 16:02 < Faceless> ah! [words]! 16:03 <@Adelene> Of all the annoying things a culture could be doing, that one is pretty darn benign. 16:03 < Andygal> Yeah. 16:03 < Teceler> that yes 16:03 < Faceless> To me it comes off as a bit... dunno... like the author wanted some weird and it come out a bit too random? 16:03 -!- Sonata changed the topic of #backstage to: MWF OOC -- MotherStarlight is logging -- Wiki: http://manyworlds.mwzip.com/ -- Open tags: https://etherpad.net/p/MWFOpenThreads -- Community radio: http://cytu.be/r/mwf-backstage https://etherpad.net/p/MWF_Channel_Voting 16:04 < Faceless> not impossible, but just out of the blue, if that makes sense? 16:04 < Teceler> mm. It seems like an extreme of the ask vs. guess thing 16:04 < Faceless> ooh, no longer pink, that color was annoying me 16:04 < Teceler> possibly by someone who didn't clearly get it 16:04 < Faceless> Yeah, I must that what I have seen from Effulgence did impress me to read the series 16:05 < Faceless> I mean, I don't think it is bad, but it come off as bit too generic? 16:05 < Faceless> like here are the fantasy races and here is the obviously evil race, they fight, the hero wins. 16:06 < Teceler> ha 16:06 < Teceler> yeah some 16:06 < Andygal> Alicorn does not actually like it very much I think. 16:06 < Teceler> I liked the magic systems though 16:07 < Faceless> I dont remember that all clearly, but I think it was interesting for what I remember 16:08 < Faceless> Not to mention, I love that worlds' jokers to pieces 16:08 < Andygal> it seems interesting from what I have read in Effulgence. 16:08 < Faceless> for no small part due to the fact that it is a devil/dragon pacifist xD 16:08 < Faceless> in no* 16:09 < Andygal> but the plot is not Lackey's best it seems. 16:17 < Faceless> what is Lackey's best? 16:18 < Andygal> I don't know, I have enjoyed some of the Valdemar books. 16:22 < Teceler> Lackey's pretty good if you like her worldbuilding and don't mind some blandness 16:23 < Teceler> in my opinion 16:23 < Teceler> if generic plot twists annoy you she may not be for you though 16:23 < Faceless> blandness? 16:27 < Faceless> how generic? dan brown generic? 16:27 < Teceler> probably not that bad XD 16:27 < Teceler> but it's been a while so 16:28 < Faceless> it is hard to get as bad as Dan Brown 16:28 < Faceless> jesus, how that guy is even allowed to write 16:28 < Andygal> pfffft 16:31 <@Sonata> everyone should be allowed to write. dunno how he gets published and popular though. 16:32 < Andygal> There's a sucker born every minute. 16:32 < Faceless> well, you could argue that he doesn't write that much, since he pretty much copies the plots from his previous books 16:33 < Teceler> he apparantly gets published and popular because that is a style that some people like??? idk why but 16:34 < Teceler> (also Andygal what) 16:34 < Faceless> I am get really mad at this thing he does early in the book where the character gives a lecture to ilustrate that something is obvious, because there is one or more character that gets it 16:34 < Faceless> and the character is show in a sort of "negative" light? Like in one book it was a sleeping student, the other was a prisoner 16:34 < Faceless> it reeks of a sort of... manipulation so you dont question the idea 16:59 -!- MTC has quit 17:33 < Faceless> ping? 17:33 < Andygal> pong? 17:36 < Faceless> ok, just checking. ^^ 18:20 -!- Sonata has quit 18:24 * Teceler complains about her computer being weird 18:25 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 18:25 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 18:29 < Faceless> whats the deal with your computer tec? 18:30 < Faceless> also, thorn is still mad at me? 18:32 <@Sonata> my thorn says it's not her you need to make right with, dunno if tec's feels the same way 18:34 < Faceless> :/ 19:17 < Teceler> ...my computer is still not giving me notifications 19:17 < Teceler> um. and she has quieted down some but, basically, Sonata is fairly accurate. 19:18 < Teceler> *not /consistantly/ giving me notifications 19:18 * Teceler grumbles. 19:18 < Andygal> (more hugs for everyone) 19:18 <@Sonata> possibly you are not pinged on Tec 19:18 <@Sonata> but are on Teceler 19:18 < Faceless> huh, I debating on the dignity of making amends to a fictional character 19:19 * Teceler notes increasing growliness 19:20 < Teceler> (Sonata, it's hilighting in the window like the rest) 19:20 < Teceler> (but I don't seem to be getting notifications from this channel at all, computer what) 19:21 < Andygal> IRC client might be to blame. 19:22 < Teceler> (yeah, may restart it) 19:23 < Teceler> Faceless this is reading to her as ramping up the 'not treating them like people' thing, if you are going down that path you probably want to, um, not talk to/about her 19:23 < Andygal> I have no dignity to lose in the first place, myself. :) 19:24 * Adelene snickers, agrees. 19:27 < Faceless> sorry, it is I am okay to treat /people/ as such in any form, but I highly skeptical that the simulation going your head deserves personhood-related treatment. If I am offending any author, I am okay to talk about and apologize if I have offended them. But treating a fictional character as a person sounds too much like... 19:28 < Faceless> ...supporting some sorts of religious views? Not sure how to explain it. 19:30 < Teceler> ... 19:31 < Faceless> ...? 19:31 -!- Faceless has quit 19:31 -!- FacelessFrog has joined #backstage 19:32 * Adelene pokes at words. 19:32 < FacelessFrog> how much did I miss? 19:32 <@Adelene> Like. /Lurker/ thinks she's a person? (you didn't miss anything.) 19:34 <@Adelene> She's only inclined to get bitey on this issue in defense of others (she's definitely a little bristley on Thorn's behalf though), but that's her being okay with people being wrong, not her agreeing with you. But, more to the point that is an actual thing that is happening in my head, here? And not actually voluntarily. (Awake characters are /weird/.) 19:34 < FacelessFrog> Are we talking in or out of the fictional universe? 19:34 < Teceler> ? 19:34 < Teceler> (@Faceless) 19:35 <@Adelene> I'm talking about meta!Lurker, the instance that has access to everything I know. 19:36 * Teceler nods. 19:36 < Teceler> you could not actually talk to ic!Thorn, generally 19:36 < Teceler> without, like, Millways or something 19:38 < FacelessFrog> What I wasn't getting was if it was harzadous for me to continue the subject, and if I should apologize to Teceler or not, as I understand things I sort want to stop talking about it but not at the expense of someone's discomfort. 19:39 < FacelessFrog> My characters can be sent to sleep 19:39 * FacelessFrog tucks in his characters and kisses them good night 19:39 < Teceler> as observed here mine are pretty easy to summon by talking about things they have strong opinions about 19:39 <@Adelene> Yeah. 19:40 <@Adelene> Lurker too. 19:40 < FacelessFrog> I was under the impression you aren't able to... block? 19:41 < Teceler> (incidentally Thorn is actually more angry at you for the way you have been implictly unpersoning Steve for this entire conversation on the grounds of fictionality than you doing so to her, because, Thorn) 19:42 < Andygal> My characters are pretty much not awake at all, which is kind of damaging my self esteem as a writer/roleplayer. 19:42 < Teceler> [hug for Andygal] 19:42 < FacelessFrog> ô.o 19:42 <@Sonata> Awake characters aren't the only way to write. 19:42 < FacelessFrog> also hugs andygal 19:42 <@Adelene> *hugs Andygal* 19:42 <@Sonata> Same as method acting isn't the only way to act. 19:42 < Andygal> Thanks guys. 19:43 < Teceler> what Sonata says, also that has benefits like /not running into this problem/ 19:43 <@Adelene> heh 19:43 <@Adelene> yeah 19:43 < FacelessFrog> when I try to tell my characters that they are fictional their general reaction is "AAAAAH OUR LIVES ARE A LIE" 19:43 < Teceler> ...great now Thorn is being mildly defensive of your characters 19:43 < FacelessFrog> Except for Gabe, I don't want to repeat what his reaction. 19:43 < Andygal> :( 19:44 <@Adelene> *snicker* Lurker has no qualms whatsoever to informing me I'm full of shit if I try to pull that on her. ^^ 19:44 < Teceler> like. being fictional doesn't mean they aren't people? 19:44 < FacelessFrog> o.o? 19:44 <@Sonata> yeah, it's just a different substrate 19:44 <@Sonata> i mean 19:44 < Teceler> and I tend to work based on Literary Agent Hypothesis a lot anyway, so 19:44 <@Sonata> sure, they get less processing power and such than someone with an entire brain to themselves 19:44 <@Sonata> but there's nothing magic about physical neurons 19:45 <@Adelene> *nodnod* 19:45 <@Sonata> a sufficiently detailed and dynamic theory-of-mind model is a running algorithm, which may or may not reach personhood. 19:45 <@Adelene> Lurker was helping during my interview this past Thursday and I didn't even notice until afterward, for example. 19:45 <@Adelene> (I approve.) 19:46 < Andygal> I'm definitely inclined to think that if your characters are capable of spontaneously having opinions then there is some sense in which they could be considered people, yes. 19:46 <@Sonata> it can be tricky to grok if you don't have awake characters of your own (mine are sort of on the border, maybe) 19:49 < FacelessFrog> ah, I starting to see your point of view, albeit I still rather skeptical if that is okay...? :/ 19:49 < Teceler> I am not sure what you mean re: 'if that is okay' 19:50 < Andygal> I am also inclined to take people's words for it re the insides of their own heads. 19:55 <@Sonata> if it helps, you could think of characters as aspects of their author's/host's personality 19:55 < Teceler> that. really does the opposite of helping from my PoV 19:56 < FacelessFrog> okay... I have to ask you this 19:56 <@Sonata> "I am vast, I contain multitudes." 19:56 <@Sonata> The number of people in a head is not actually well-defined. 19:56 < FacelessFrog> if you consider your awake characters as people... how can you be so mean with them? 19:56 <@Sonata> ("How many people are you?") 19:57 < Teceler> Sonata: pfffft 19:58 <@Sonata> Faceless: I consider /myself/ a person, and I still do things I don't necessarily enjoy. There's more to what I care about than just being happy all the time. 19:59 < Teceler> FacelessFrog: It... doesn't really work that way? for me, at least? It's kind of 'the narrative/the (frequently lower-fidelity) models of other characters actions results in this outcome' and I can sometimes push it some in one direction or the other, or arrange the landscape, but 19:59 <@Sonata> Look at how the peal reacts to Angela -- like she's unripe, sort of, never flourishing because she started out in an environment where she was comfortable, useful luxury. 20:00 < Andygal> sometimes a person has to be broken before they can reach their full potential. 20:00 < Teceler> also my characters -- especially Thorn's template -- have this tendancy to run into things that they know will rip them apart because they have priorities they care about more 20:02 < Teceler> otoh Sonata and Andygal's logic is kind of creeping me out here unless the characters are okay with it (because, um, that way lies bad things. --oh /that/'s who's being Concerned in my head okay huh) 20:03 <@Sonata> The boundary between me and my awake-er characters is weak enough that making them unhappy tends to make me unhappy, so I don't really think I'm at ethical risk? 20:03 * Teceler nods. 20:04 < Teceler> I figured you had a way to handle it but the logic-as-presented was setting off lots of red lights 20:05 <@Sonata> oh yeah, I see that now 20:05 < Andygal> Hmmm yeah. 20:05 <@Sonata> I sort of feel my characters like 'someone I sometimes am' 20:06 <@Sonata> or 'someone I could be' 20:06 <@Adelene> 'someone I could be' seems close, to me. 20:07 <@Sonata> so I wasn't really thinking in terms of someone treating /someone else/ that way 20:07 * Teceler nods. 20:07 <@Adelene> I'm weird with this kind of thing, though, 'cause the last person who lived in this brain intentionally constructed me. 20:07 < Andygal> My characters are also sort of "someone I could be", in terms of how I build them. 20:08 < Andygal> Adelene: ??? 20:08 < Andygal> If you don't want to talk about it it's fine. 20:08 <@Adelene> ...cptsd is a hell of a thing, mostly. 20:09 < FacelessFrog> I feel I should continue talking while at same time, wanting to stop. 20:09 < Andygal> Adelene: Ok, ow. 20:10 < FacelessFrog> Adelene: [hugs]? 20:10 <@Adelene> The last person who lived in this brain was neither functional nor happy, and didn't have a way of personally becoming either of those, and an opportunity to build someone else came, and here I am. She's still technically kicking around in here, and has been back once since then, briefly - overall conclusion is that she definitely made the right call there. 20:10 <@Adelene> *hug* 20:11 < Teceler> [/hug/] 20:11 <@Sonata> *hug* 20:11 < Andygal> *hug* 20:13 <@Adelene> I'm okay, really? If I wasn't, I have a pretty good handle on how to do the reconstruction thing again if I wanted to, but I really don't, I like being me. Just, from this perspective it's /really hard/ to take someone less seriously just 'cause they aren't generally allowed to drive the body, when that and priority are the only actual difference. 20:14 <@Adelene> (And as mentioned above, Lurker sometimes sneaks in some course corrections anyway. Which I'm okay with.) 20:16 < Andygal> It's still not OK that shit happened that made that necessary. 20:16 < Teceler> that yes 20:16 < FacelessFrog> that hell yes 20:16 <@Adelene> *nod* *shrug* 20:16 < Andygal> but I'm glad you are doing OK now. 20:18 <@Adelene> ('now' is kinda the wrong framing there - there was never a time when /I/ wasn't doing okay, that's kind of the point - but, yeah. thanks. :) ) 20:19 < Andygal> Sorry? 20:19 <@Adelene> No worries. It's a hard thing to talk about. 20:22 <@Adelene> Anyway, does that help you think about it, Faceless? 20:27 < FacelessFrog> It does, albeit I still feel confused about the whole "lets make these other people go through suffering" and in a way that I feel it is better if I dont understand because it might make me unable to write again. 20:28 < Teceler> it continues to /really/ not work that way for me. but my method is not everyone's, obviously. (And I. can't really articulate all of the intricacies of how it works anyway) 20:28 <@Adelene> Can't speak for anyone else, but meta!Lurker knows the stories are stories. 20:28 <@Adelene> And meta!Lurker is the one who's actually a person. 20:29 < FacelessFrog> huh, I don't think I can... separate the metas from the non-metas that well. 20:30 < FacelessFrog> also I don't like when the characters interact with /me/ 20:31 < FacelessFrog> I am okay picturing myself doing things like putting them in bed, but even imagining them saying "goodnight" back at me... 20:31 < FacelessFrog> ...it makes me extremely uncomfortable 20:31 < FacelessFrog> and now that I think about it 20:31 < Teceler> why? (if you want to say) 20:31 < FacelessFrog> dunno, I am way too uncomfortable with the situation 20:32 < FacelessFrog> (of the characters talking to me) 20:32 < FacelessFrog> it feels unbalanced to be this uncomfortable... 20:32 < Teceler> mm. I think why you are uncomfortable might be a useful question here, but, [shrug] 20:32 < Teceler> hm? 20:34 < FacelessFrog> Sorry, I don't want to talk about it 20:34 * Teceler nods. 20:34 < Andygal> OK then. 20:35 < Teceler> I am not suggesting talk about it, unless you want to, just thinking about it 20:35 < Teceler> but, sorry? 20:35 < FacelessFrog> I get it, it is okay, lets just drop the subject 20:35 * Teceler shrugs, flops. 20:35 < Andygal> Faceless: (hug?) 20:36 * FacelessFrog hugs 20:36 <@Adelene> *hug* 20:37 < FacelessFrog> thanks :) 20:38 < Andygal> so Adelene, what was Lurker helping you with? Or should we just drop the whole subject completely? 20:39 <@Adelene> Minor stuff - extra politeness processing, mostly. 20:39 < Andygal> :) 20:39 <@Adelene> yep. complementary skill sets, yay. ^^ 20:40 < Teceler> helpful!Lurker! 20:40 < FacelessFrog> extra politeness? 20:40 < Andygal> <3 20:42 <@Adelene> The thing was an informational interview - sort of vaguely like a job interview, but more 'what is this kind of job like and would I like working here' than 'hire me please' - at a... accessible job center, I guess you'd call it? Place for people who are too disabled to work in regular settings to go and work at, anyway, and there was a tour that involved some interactions with strangers, which usually gives me trouble. 20:43 <@Adelene> Like, I tend to be very reserved 'cause I'm not quite sure where the lines are, and Lurker... I'm honestly not sure quite /what/ she was doing, she was very subtle about it, but it was definitely /something/. 20:45 * Sonata backs, reads scrollback 20:46 < Andygal> My problem with dealing with people is that I tend to end up worried that I'm going to screw up and look like an idiot forever. 20:46 < Teceler> Andygal: [hug] 20:46 < Teceler> I know that feeling 20:47 <@Sonata> I think you'll find that most people are usually too focused on their own mistakes to remember yours for long. 20:49 < Andygal> I know that intellectually, but my anxiety doesn't. 20:49 < Teceler> [hug] 20:52 < FacelessFrog> also hug 20:52 <@Adelene> ...granted I haven't looked at it recently, but https://www.reddit.com/r/howtonotgiveafuck/ is a thing. 20:53 < FacelessFrog> Question... how do you people construct your characters? I often do stuff like adding and removing bits in a manner that comes off as non-organic? 20:54 <@Adelene> I tend to have characters wake up very, very easily, and build by asking them questions. This obviously doesn't work for everyone. 20:56 < Teceler> usually I build a vague concept and push it in the direction I want (this is one of the parts where I have the most leeway there), and then at some point, frequently after I try writing them some but not always, I start getting -- kinda corrections? starts out as a vague feeling of something being wrong, usually, but not all of those are that? (I feel like there's a distinction but it's hard to see except in retrospect) a 20:56 < Teceler> nd if I poke at that gradually they get more vocal 20:56 < Andygal> Most of the characters I have created in the past for the purposes of private brain-stories have started out as blatant self-inserts. 20:57 < Teceler> the awake character sometimes has Opinions about the original concept and shreds it, incidentally, which can be interesting 20:57 < Teceler> also this is for whole new characters if I'm doing an alt of someone I already have the process is very different 20:59 < FacelessFrog> huh 21:01 < FacelessFrog> I often have problems with main characters and sometimes I fear making them to similar, or adding stuff that is too arbitrary/forced 21:10 < Teceler> I don't know what to advise there 21:10 < Teceler> given how obvious it is that we work very differently 21:11 < FacelessFrog> I wouldn't say that I work, insofar that I am more running around stumbling on things 21:13 < Andygal> you have characters, so. 21:13 < Teceler> FacelessFrog: hey, that is a method 21:13 < FacelessFrog> Andygal, characters, and a lot of time they make me feel like a major poser :| 21:23 < FacelessFrog> so on the brigther side 21:23 < FacelessFrog> what everyone's characters are up to? 21:29 <@Sonata> my characters are asleep, I'm catching up on the various glowfic threads 21:29 <@Sonata> I just noticed a Daevinity pun, fairy/ferry 21:32 < FacelessFrog> the pun that fairies can move ferries? 21:32 < FacelessFrog> I meant, story wise not headspace, Sonata. 21:32 <@Sonata> yeah 21:32 < FacelessFrog> like, where was lurker?on Barrayar? 21:33 < Teceler> Lurker's in Eclipse actually 21:33 < FacelessFrog> what she is up to? 21:33 <@Adelene> Magic and managing social fires, mostly. 21:35 < FacelessFrog> social fires? 21:37 <@Adelene> well, 'fires' is maybe not /exactly/ the right thing. But there's some lurking issues that she's trying to get sorted, mostly between Lena and Metis. 21:43 -!- Sonata has quit 21:44 < FacelessFrog> "lurking issues"? 21:46 <@Adelene> Lena is having trouble adjusting to the idea that Metis is a person, this is harmful for Metis to have to be around, removing either of them from Tyche's social circle would be massively harmful to both them and Tyche, *not* removing them from Tyche's social circle means they're going to need to be in proximity to one another sooner or later. 21:46 < Andygal> :( 21:46 < Teceler> Lena wishes me to specify that the problem is more about Metis being a person separate from Tyche 21:46 < FacelessFrog> :/ 21:47 <@Adelene> *nod* 21:47 <@Adelene> Lurker can buffer that some, anyway. 21:52 <@Adelene> (Like, I'm mostly thinking about her hanging out with Metis when Tyche wants to spend time with Lena - not a perfect solution, but clearly a step up from either of the obvious alternatives. Also maybe some go-between-ish stuff.) 21:53 < FacelessFrog> hum, hey, can I ask Lurker what she thinks of Franklyn? 21:53 <@Adelene> Mostly she thinks he's sort of cute in a puppyish way, so far. 21:53 < Andygal> cute? 21:54 <@Adelene> Like, he's very earnest. 21:57 < FacelessFrog> earnest? 21:57 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 21:57 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 21:59 <@Adelene> *pokes words* 21:59 < FacelessFrog> it isn't wrong, I am just curious to see the impression he is causing 22:00 < FacelessFrog> also, "cute in a puppyish way" was pretty much what I was aiming so I am pleased ^^ 22:02 < Andygal> <3 22:03 <@Adelene> I think most of it is that he isn't suspicious of her, or defensive, like at all. Part of that is her being cute, certainly, but she has enough experience with interacting witn strangers to have a pretty good idea of the range of reactions, there? And he's definitely on the childlike end of the scale. 22:04 < Andygal> ...Y'know, I kind of want to see Franklyn and Lazarus interact. 22:07 < FacelessFrog> Adelene, yeah, Franklyn has a problem of... naivete? trusting too much? combined with having little to none malice and little understanding of why people are malicious. 22:08 < FacelessFrog> I would say it is even why he got his skill-copying power 22:08 < FacelessFrog> Andygal, why Lazarus? 22:08 <@Adelene> *nodnod* That won't end poorly for him this time, but, like. 22:08 <@Adelene> It is definitely a thing Lurker has noticed. ^^ 22:08 < Andygal> Faceless: Because they are both enthusiastic magical Canadians. 22:13 < FacelessFrog> hehe, funfact-that-never-showed-up-in-sandbox, one of Franklyn's favorite things is listening people being enthusiastic about things, it feeds him. 22:26 < Andygal> <3 22:30 < FacelessFrog> <3<3 22:38 <@Sonata> *reading* I am somewhat worried that Quinnbold will take books home before finding out that paper is made from trees. 22:38 < Andygal> :( 22:38 < Teceler> ... :( 22:38 <@Adelene> The chances of that actually ending badly are pretty slim. 22:39 <@Adelene> They are allowed to use deadfall, and so long as the elves don't find any damaged trees they'd assume that's where the wood pulp came from. 22:39 <@Sonata> huh 22:39 <@Sonata> that's a lot more forgiving than DF I think 22:40 <@Adelene> soooort of? Actual DF doesn't /have/ deadfall, but on the other hand you can use all the imported wood you want. 22:40 <@Sonata> I thought the elves will get mortally offended if your trade depot contains wooden goods that the elves themselves traded to you last year 22:41 < Teceler> I seem to recall that actually being a bug 22:41 <@Adelene> Only if you try to trade them to them. 22:41 <@Sonata> aha 22:41 <@Adelene> And yeah, I think that's supposed to be fixed even. 22:41 < Teceler> or, well, not quite a bug, but, an unintended thing 22:41 <@Sonata> oh, all right 22:42 < FacelessFrog> I am worried that Lurker might find a bottle of maple syrup in the grayson's kitchen. I given to understand that is a canadian thing 22:43 <@Adelene> She won't figure out what it is without opening it and she's unlikely to do that without a direct invitation. 22:44 < Andygal> maple syrup is a Canadian thing, yes :) 22:44 < FacelessFrog> okay then ^^ 22:44 < FacelessFrog> along with moose, apologizing and eh. 22:45 < Teceler> maple syrup is also a New England thing, to a degree 22:45 < Andygal> Eh is an Eastern Canada thing, mostly. 22:49 < FacelessFrog> I am tempted to have a picture of Franklyn with a moose and him explaing "this was when a moose got in town and we confused him with our friend shapeshifter" 22:49 <@Adelene> *snicker* 22:49 <@Adelene> The *really* funny thing is that Lurker's reaction is along the lines of 'wow, that's a little one'. ^^ 22:50 <@Adelene> (Moose are, uh, not. little. But Carp has giant ones.) 22:50 < FacelessFrog> I figured that out, heh xD 22:50 <@Adelene> ^^ 22:52 < Andygal> are there a lot of giant moose near where Lurker's tribe lives? 22:53 <@Adelene> Not a /lot/, but they come through sometimes. 22:54 < FacelessFrog> and I imagine that they call attention 22:54 <@Adelene> yyyeah. 22:54 <@Sonata> do they have laser eyes and fire breath? 22:55 <@Adelene> *snicker* 22:57 < FacelessFrog> that is totally a real concern on Carp? oh joy 22:57 < Andygal> Fire breath is I think. 22:58 < Andygal> Also, the giant moose are like, 9 times as big as regular moose. 22:58 <@Sonata> um. 22:59 <@Sonata> that is a lot of moose. 22:59 < Andygal> (carp laughs at the square cube law) 22:59 <@Sonata> (on the bright side, that means they give you 9^3 times as much meat if you manage to kill one) 23:00 <@Sonata> (9^3=729) 23:00 <@Sonata> (that is a lot of moose) 23:01 < Andygal> (don't ask about the giant sperm whales) 23:03 <@Adelene> Animals mostly don't have weird abilities like that. Like, dragons and forgotten beasts and titans do, but regular run of the mill animals don't. 23:05 < Andygal> moose that size don't need magical powers. 23:05 < FacelessFrog> tehy just come fun sized? 23:06 < Andygal> Yes. !!fun!! sized. 23:07 <@Adelene> *snicker* 23:15 -!- Evenstar has joined #backstage 23:15 * Evenstar waves! 23:15 < Teceler> Evenstar! 23:15 < Andygal> Hi! 23:15 < Teceler> hello! 23:16 < FacelessFrog> hi 23:17 * Evenstar says a hi to Teceler! 23:17 < FacelessFrog> how have you been, Evenstar? 23:22 <@Sonata> Hello! Long time no see. 23:23 < Evenstar> I've been good, just buried under university 23:24 < Evenstar> Sorry to vanish on you all without warning 23:24 < Teceler> [hug if wanted] 23:24 < Andygal> Not your fault. 23:24 * FacelessFrog also offers hugs 23:24 < Evenstar> [hugs] 23:24 * Evenstar pokes her Dyne and Chron stockpiles 23:25 < Evenstar> Incidentally, does anyone know who ITL/CFW are? 23:27 < Andygal> I have had limited Dyne issues for the past few weeks, think because of the end of summer. 23:28 < Teceler> ITL/CFW are FacelessFrog 23:29 < Evenstar> Ah, I see 23:29 < FacelessFrog> it is me 23:29 < FacelessFrog> hi o/ 23:29 < FacelessFrog> I was actually writing you an answer 23:30 < FacelessFrog> but we can talk here if you prefer. 23:30 < Andygal> I should get a new desk lamp. 23:30 < Andygal> maybe I'd feel better if my room was not so dark. 23:30 < Teceler> (also [hugs for Andygal, belatedly]) 23:31 * FacelessFrog also offers hugs 23:31 < Evenstar> [hugs] 23:32 < Evenstar> Oh hey 23:32 < Evenstar> I have a thing to share with you all 23:32 < Andygal> Yeah? 23:32 < Evenstar> I was trying to come up with an interesting and unique magic system\ 23:32 < Evenstar> That still used elements, but not conventional ones 23:32 < Evenstar> And then expressed those elements in unconventional ways 23:33 < Evenstar> I call it Seasons, would you like to know more? 23:33 < Andygal> sure. 23:33 < Evenstar> Alright then 23:33 < Evenstar> So, as the name indicates, in this world mages are aligned with the four seasons. 23:33 < Evenstar> There are Winter, Summer, Spring, and Fall mages. 23:35 < Evenstar> Each season has three Potentialities to it - these are the things that make it that season, and not another season. 23:36 < Evenstar> For example, Winter has the Potentialities of Cold, Absence, and Death. So far so conventional. 23:36 < Evenstar> The thing is, though 23:36 * FacelessFrog is listening 23:36 < Evenstar> Mages in this setting draw their power from the things in their seasons that /oppose their own potentialities/. 23:37 < Evenstar> In other words, Winter mages actually harness 'Life-in-winter', 'Heat-in-winter', and 'Vibrance-in-winter', as the oppositions to Death, Cold, and Absence. 23:38 < Evenstar> These are expressed as the 'elements' of 'Revolution', 'The Hearth', and 'Auroras'. 23:38 <@Sonata> This is really cool 23:39 <@Sonata> (did you see my blog post about seasons and opposite qualities?) 23:39 < Evenstar> And each of these is shared with one other season, because these oppositions belong as a Potentiality to another season 23:39 < Evenstar> Sonata: No, I will have to read this thing! 23:39 <@Sonata> http://sonatagreen.com/the-eight-point-year/ 23:39 < Evenstar> Fall has Vibrance: Summer has Heat: Spring has Life. 23:39 <@Sonata> oooh 23:40 < Evenstar> Thus, in any contest between two mages of different seasons, one third of their powers are better known by their opponent than by themselves. 23:40 < Teceler> iiiinteresting 23:41 < Teceler> do people chose what season they are a mage of? 23:41 <@Sonata> but a summer mage can't actually harness Heat, only know it? 23:41 < Evenstar> Sonata: Yes, exactly. They have an instinctive understanding of how their opponent uses that aspect of Heat, but they cannot use it themselves. 23:42 < Evenstar> To quickly go through the rest: Fall has the Potentialities of Vibrance, Endings, and The Harvest. 23:42 < Andygal> neat. 23:42 < Evenstar> Summer has the Potentialities of Heat, Storm, and Virulence (I thought about the last one belonging to fall, but the nastiness of tropical countries, mosquitos etc made me think it belonged more to Summer) 23:43 < Evenstar> And finally, Spring has the Potentialities of Life, Ambition, and Beginnings. 23:43 < Evenstar> The elements that arise are: 23:44 < Evenstar> Fall: 'Emptiness-in-Autumn', Departures. 'Beginnings-in-Autumn', Sunset. 'Virulence-in-Autumn', Fungus. 23:45 < Evenstar> Summer: 'Cold-in-Summer', Hail. 'Ambition-in-Summer', Conquest. 'Harvest-in-Summer', Wildfire. 23:46 < Evenstar> Spring: 'Storm-in-Spring', Flood. 'Death-in-Spring', Stillbirth. 'Endings-in-Spring', The Thaw. 23:48 < Evenstar> It's still a bit rough around the edges - some of the pairings are weird, like 'Ambiton' and 'Storm' opposing - but I'm liking how it expresses the seasons in unexpected ways. 23:49 < Teceler> it seems odd that they have an endings magic but not a beginnings one. although I suppose Thaw might work for that 23:50 <@Sonata> Beginnings-in-Autumn, Sunset 23:50 < Teceler> hm 23:50 < Teceler> possibly yeah 23:50 < Evenstar> In this system, winter mages are highly social, drawing on sources of power from beauty (Aurora), companionship (the Hearth), and outrage (Revolution.) 23:51 < Evenstar> Yet they're still mages of the season-of-endings, intertwined closely with death and absence. They feel almost Fae in a way. 23:51 < FacelessFrog> huh, Storm needs to be literal? 23:52 < FacelessFrog> maybe could mean something like "adversity" to opose "ambition"? 23:52 < Evenstar> Faceless: No, not necessarily. But the aspect of 'storms in spring' is definitely 'the flood'. 23:53 < Evenstar> I believe my intent at the time was that Ambition implies planning and Storm implies chaos. 23:54 < Andygal> Ah. 23:55 < Evenstar> I'm proud of myself for thinking of 'The Harvest' opposing 'Virulence', along with 'The Harvest' in summer being 'Wildfire.' 23:55 < Evenstar> (That which destroys but also renews) 23:55 < FacelessFrog> Evenstar, I understand that, I was suggesting less being about "chaos" and more about being a force of resistance 23:56 < FacelessFrog> (this is a very interesting system) 23:56 < Evenstar> Faceless: Interesting point, but I'm not sure 'Adversity' is a strongly 'Summer' thing. 23:56 < FacelessFrog> fair point 23:57 < FacelessFrog> yay, CFW is a god! And I love how this fact can hurt him psychologically :D 23:58 < Evenstar> To continue on how things work regarding Seasons-Mages: 23:58 < Evenstar> Summer mages in Seasons I envision as looking like rock stars 23:58 < Evenstar> They're intense, driven people. They use dangerous magic and are very showy. They tend not to be very good at knowing their limits. 23:58 < FacelessFrog> (oh, yeah sorry for the interruption) 23:59 < Evenstar> The average Summer mage ends up looking like Ozzy Ozbourne after a while: Summer magic and lifestyle takes its toll on the body. --- Day changed Mon Oct 26 2015 00:00 < Evenstar> The dangerous and effective Summer mages are the ones that learn to be subtle. 00:01 < Evenstar> They still harness the same three elements - Hail, Conquest, Wildfire - but rather than using them in the obvious way, like hammers, they use them more delicately 00:02 < Evenstar> The fundamental problem with Summer magic is that it's easy to do too much of it. It's the season of heat, virulence, and storms. It's innately chaotic and difficult to control. 00:02 < FacelessFrog> That is really awesome :) 00:03 < Andygal> you burn yourself out. 00:03 < Evenstar> But again, look at those aspects. "Wildfire": the destruction of the old in order to renew. "Conquest", the subjugation of things beneath your will. "Hail", unexpected cold amid heat. 00:05 < FacelessFrog> going out with a bang? 00:05 < Evenstar> Careful summer mages are one in a million, but they operate more like master vampires than people. In the rock star analogy: most Summer mages are Kurt Cobain, but every so often you get the Beatles. 00:06 < Evenstar> Summer mages who don't burn out change the world forever. 00:06 < FacelessFrog> I am going to associate summer magic with these people and not be able to stop FYI xD 00:06 < Andygal> XD 00:06 < Evenstar> (But they are naturally extremely rare.) 00:06 < Evenstar> (Most people who want CONQUEST and WILDFIRE and HAIL are not deep, introspective thinkers.) 00:07 < Teceler> pft 00:07 < Andygal> pfffft 00:07 < Teceler> so you can chose your Season? or at least it's a personality-based thing? 00:07 < Evenstar> Because of the way the Potentialities work, you can justify yourself as basically any season you want. 00:08 * Teceler nods. 00:08 < Evenstar> If you're a very Vibrant person, it could be because you align with Fall, or because you align with The Aurora. 00:08 < Evenstar> Etc. Every personality trait gives you at least two choices. 00:08 < Evenstar> Ultimately, people generally learn the one that they feel fits them best. 00:09 * Teceler nods. 00:09 < Evenstar> (In close ties, it usually goes to the season they were born in. There's a slight natural affinity.) 00:09 < Teceler> that makes sense 00:10 < Evenstar> Then there are the Spring mages. 00:10 < Evenstar> Spring mages are perhaps the most dangerous of all mages, at least in my opinion. 00:11 < Evenstar> A nasty summer mage will conquer your country for a decade and then everything will go back more or less to normal. 00:11 < Evenstar> A nasty /spring/ mage will work their way into power, and then keep it. 00:11 < Evenstar> Their elements are generally fairly subtle, but dangerous nonetheless. 00:12 < Evenstar> The Flood: Overwhelming change. Inevitability. 00:12 < Evenstar> The Thaw: The lifting of burdens and the granting of health. 00:13 < Evenstar> And last but not least, Stillbirth. The destruction of that which has yet to be. 00:14 < Evenstar> Spring mages as a whole tend to be nice, upbeat people. They represent the season of life, beginnings, and ambition. 00:14 < Evenstar> It's the ambition part that tends to cause problems. 00:15 < FacelessFrog> oh, boy. I am loving this :D 00:15 < Evenstar> As those who can control what flourishes, good spring mages are great boons to those around them. They heal, advise, and help others be rid of things that would otherwise weigh them down. 00:16 < Evenstar> The Serenity Prayer is their unofficial ethos - 'the power to change the things I can, the willingness to accept the things I cannot, and the wisdom to tell the difference.' 00:16 < Teceler> huh 00:17 < Evenstar> You see, the issue with Spring magic is that it wants to BE very strongly. 00:17 < Evenstar> It wants to grow and change and make things BETTER 00:17 < FacelessFrog> but it lacks direction...? 00:17 < FacelessFrog> it can grow and change into anything? 00:17 < Evenstar> It's about LIFE and HOPE and damn what you think YOU ARE GETTING LIFE AND HOPE. 00:17 < FacelessFrog> (well not anything, but very variable) 00:18 < FacelessFrog> huuuum 00:18 < Evenstar> Unfortunately, Spring is not a person. 00:18 < FacelessFrog> awesome xD 00:18 < FacelessFrog> (I wish Kappa was here to read this) 00:18 < Evenstar> And so its definitions of 'good' are things like 'lots of food' and 'no unhappiness ever' 00:18 < Teceler> ... 00:18 <@Sonata> oh dear 00:18 < Teceler> somehow I see this going in a bad direction 00:19 < Evenstar> And so Spring mages have to be careful not to allow the ambition of their element to overwhelm them. 00:19 <@Sonata> wireheading, eloi, lotus-eaters 00:20 < Evenstar> Spring mages tend to start out as community-minded individuals. The good ones prefer to stay on the pheriphery. The bad ones start trying to arrange things to be 'better', whatever their definition of 'better' is. 00:20 < Evenstar> Spring doesn't know what 'better' is and will defer to its wielder. 00:21 < FacelessFrog> :D 00:21 < Teceler> a good strategy here seems like it might be asking the affected people what they would prefer :P 00:21 * FacelessFrog slow claps at the system 00:21 < Evenstar> Bad spring mages make very nice very regulated very happy little villages where nothing ever changes because anything novel is hit with a 'Stillbirth' curse before it can interfere. 00:22 < Teceler> (aaaa) 00:22 < Andygal> aaaaaaaaa 00:22 < Evenstar> Everyone is very happy because the things that were making them sad have been Thawed. 00:22 < Evenstar> Those who do try to resist inevitably fail due to destiny effects set up with Flood. 00:23 < Teceler> aaaaaaaa 00:23 < Evenstar> The good news: All three of these are necessary. Any mage of any season can break these mages' hold when they're found. 00:23 < Teceler> so, um Facet, writ small, except /worse/ because of magic /directly/ backing it up? 00:23 <@Adelene> ...man, I want a kobold to happen to a town like that. Presumably you can't Flood what you don't know exists? ^^ 00:23 < Evenstar> Winter has Revolution. Summer has Wildfire. Fall has Sunset. 00:24 < Evenstar> All will suffice to make such a thing crumble. 00:24 < Evenstar> (And of course, a duel between two Spring mages is on even footing.) 00:24 < Andygal> potentially messily for the people who get caught in the middle, though. 00:25 < FacelessFrog> at the risk of repeting myself: :D 00:25 < Evenstar> Yes. Fortunately, the native 'nothing bad happens here!' enchantments usually reduce the collateral damage. 00:26 < Evenstar> Finally, we come to Fall mages. Fall mages are an interesting lot. 00:26 < Teceler> they did sound such 00:26 < Evenstar> Firstly, they have two names for their season. (Fall and Autumn.) 00:27 < Evenstar> That means that they tend to have a better understanding of it, since they can talk about aspects of Fall as separate from Autumn and vice versa and generally debate their own magic more effectively. 00:27 < Evenstar> Their elements are Sunset, Departures, and Fungus. 00:28 < Evenstar> The first two lend themselves to secrecy. Fall mages have control over drawing-to-a-close and the beginning of night. They can obscure information and tidy away loose ends. 00:29 < Evenstar> Departures allows them to expel things from their presence, or slip away themselves. Their magics are not inherently destructive, but good luck ever having a chance to actually /fight/ a Fall mage. 00:30 < Evenstar> Their magic lets them say 'and then it ended in due course, not disturbing the world.' 00:30 < Evenstar> Their magic does tend to be /bad at timeframes/, though. 00:31 < Evenstar> Since Fall is about Endings, the Harvest, and Vibrance, it tends to have an attitude of 'in due time.' 00:32 < FacelessFrog> I am not entirely I understand that part? 00:33 < Evenstar> Faceless: There's a time to sow and a time to reap. Fall is about 'natural endings': unlike Stillbirth, Sunset merely says 'this will end.' 00:35 < Evenstar> Fall doesn't insist: it creeps up on you when you realize that the leaves are falling and it hasn't been hot for weeks. 00:35 < Teceler> the trick sounds like it would be to set that up 00:35 < Evenstar> Fall mages are extremely non-flashy. You wouldn't know most of them are mages. It's hard to have power trips when it usually takes a month for your magic to do anything significant. 00:35 < FacelessFrog> I think I starting to get the picture 00:36 < Evenstar> But the thing about them is that they are effectively weak precognitives. 00:36 < Evenstar> They know what will fail before it does - not how or why, but that it will. 00:36 <@Sonata> this is really interesting but it is way past my bedtime 00:36 <@Sonata> goodnight friends 00:37 < Evenstar> Sonata: Sleep, read the logs later <3 00:37 < FacelessFrog> goodnight sonata o/ 00:38 -!- Sonata has quit 00:38 < Evenstar> Fungus returns dead things to the earth: they similarly are able to turn failures into successes, eventually. 00:38 < Evenstar> Most everyday fall mages look like regular people who just have astonishing luck. 00:38 < FacelessFrog> Recycling? 00:39 < Andygal> Neat. 00:39 < Evenstar> Faceless: More generally, reclaiming that which is lost. 00:39 < FacelessFrog> ooooh, cool 00:39 < Teceler> ...oooo, that would certainly have interesting potential 00:40 < Evenstar> Those Fall mages who have the drive to overcome the natural 'let it be, it will turn out in the end' attitude of their season can turn these powers to more immediately useful ends. 00:41 < FacelessFrog> like what 00:41 < FacelessFrog> ? 00:41 < Evenstar> You see, the character of Fall has the exact opposite problem to Spring: it naturally resists being used. 00:41 < Teceler> pft 00:41 < FacelessFrog> self-restraint? 00:41 < Evenstar> As the Season of Endings, its power wants to stop existing. 00:44 < Evenstar> Mages who can overcome this can use Fall's power to re-purpose most anything dead or damaged, create powerful wardings, break enchantments, and generally spread the vibrant aspect of their season everywhere they go. 00:44 < Andygal> sounds awesome. 00:45 < Evenstar> They are often rootless, wandering from place to place, guided by their sense of when to depart: they embrace the thousand sunsets stretching out before them, treating each night as the new beginning it is. 00:46 < Evenstar> And like a fungus, they're practically impossible to keep down. 00:46 < FacelessFrog> pfft xD 00:46 < FacelessFrog> really liking this. 00:46 < FacelessFrog> have you though of inferesting synergies? 00:47 < Evenstar> In short: If you encounter a strange, travelling mage who solves your horrible problem, they're probably a Fall master. 00:47 < Teceler> by the way, I'm assuming it's impossible to have more than one season? 00:47 < Andygal> I like it a lot. 00:47 < Evenstar> Teceler: Yes: if you attempt to claim more than one the opposing energies fight each other, and you'll lose your grip on something. 00:48 < Evenstar> Summer and winter cannot coexist because Heat and Cold oppose. 00:48 < Evenstar> Winter and Spring cannot coexist because Life and Death oppose. 00:48 < Evenstar> Fall and Winter cannot coexist because Absence and Vibrance oppose. 00:48 < Evenstar> Etcetera. 00:49 < Evenstar> Andygal: Thank you :3 00:50 < Evenstar> Now, coming back to Winter mages: I realize I mentioned them briefly earlier, but I'd like to elaborate a little 00:50 < FacelessFrog> yay 00:50 < Evenstar> As I said, Winter mages draw their powers from beauty and companionship. 00:50 < Evenstar> The Aurora, The Hearth, and Revolution are their aspects. 00:51 < FacelessFrog> are they christmasy? 00:52 < Evenstar> As the Hearth, winter mages are comforting to be around: they're natural hubs for conversation and companionship. They bring health, joy, and laughter with their presence. This is the 'christmas' aspect, more or less. 00:53 < Evenstar> However, the Hearth contains fire, no matter how well contained - when Winter mages need to, they can draw upon those support networks, allowing those they know well to perform extraordinary things. 00:55 < Evenstar> As the Aurora, winter mages can be beautiful and forbidding: They can fascinate and draw the eye, or bear the intimidating beauty of the Arctic. They dazzle, dance, and shimmer. 00:56 < Evenstar> The Aurora can even go so far as to allow Winter mages to cast simple illusions. 00:57 < Evenstar> Finally, we have Revolution, the most obviously dangerous of Winter aspects. Winter mages have the power to destroy existing orders, to cast down ideals, to make change occur where they wish it to. 00:57 < Teceler> to what degree can they shape what they get in its place? 00:57 < Evenstar> However, the power of Revolution has the obvious drawback of most real revolutions: the new thing that is brought in is not necessarily what you wished it to be. 00:58 < Teceler> pft 00:58 < Evenstar> Careful winter mages use it in conjunction with their other aspects to help shape the future to come: if they cannot, then they limit themselves to small changes. 00:59 < Evenstar> Revolution is an immense and terrible power. A Winter master is a transmuter of anything to anything. 00:59 < Evenstar> Of course, those who actually manage to get that far without accidentally turning themselves into a badger or a rock into a deadly poison are exceedingly rare. 01:01 < Evenstar> Moreover: While other seasons' powers may be uncontrolled and dangerous, Winter is the only season that could be called actively malicious. 01:01 < Teceler> oh dear. 01:01 < Evenstar> Winter wants cold, absence and death, much as spring wants life, ambition and beginnings. 01:03 < Evenstar> It's not that Winter hates you: it's that winter is the void-time, and is naturally opposed to human existence. 01:04 < Evenstar> Winter mages must be careful that they do not slip into ennui, nihilism, or outright cartoonish evil. Where Autumn wants to end, Winter wants to /end things./ 01:05 < Teceler> huh. 01:05 < Evenstar> This is in direct opposition to Spring, which wants to begin, and Summer, which wants to create things (in an uncontrolled, violent, chaotic fashion.) 01:06 < FacelessFrog> so much cool 01:07 < FacelessFrog> but I reaaaalllyyyyy should go sleep 01:07 < FacelessFrog> goodnight everyone o/ 01:07 < Evenstar> As a whole, though, Winter mages are fairly nice people. Perhaps a bit more morose than usual, since they're so closely tied to a time of death - but mostly they get along and don't do anything nasty. 01:07 < Teceler> sleep well Faceless 01:07 < Evenstar> night Faceless 01:07 < Evenstar> The nasty ones, however... they start deliberately breaking things. 01:08 -!- FacelessFrog has quit 01:08 < Evenstar> They turn their elements against the very people they rely on. The Hearth and the Aurora draws people to them: Then they pronounce Revolution, and their unfortunate victim is never the same again. 01:09 < Teceler> eek. 01:09 < Andygal> eeeeek 01:09 <@Adelene> (Lurker is /so very obviously/ a Winter mage. :D) 01:10 < Evenstar> A spring or a fall mage may heal these wounds, a little - but Winter magic is cruel as a blizzard can be cruel, and rarely do their victims fully recover. 01:11 < Evenstar> The best chance is usually at the hands of a Summer mage: rather than attempt to reverse the damage, they pronounce Wildfire, turning destruction into a new beginning. 01:11 < Evenstar> The victim will still never be the same- but the Summer mage will ensure that the change is for the better. 01:13 < Evenstar> However, those Winter mages that are able to fully resist the natural sombreness and destructive impulses of their element can be strong forces for good in the world. They naturally bring people together, and are the most likely people to be able to coordinate between the Seasons. 01:15 < Evenstar> With holiday cheer and effortless charm, they create places worth living. 01:15 <@Adelene> So how does one become a Seasons mage? 01:16 < Evenstar> And if they find something that they cannot fix, even with the help of all those they know - then, and only then, do they pronounce Revolution. 01:18 < Evenstar> Adelene: There is a simple ritual, done at the relevant solstice or equinox. It requires three things of personal significance, each one related somehow to an element of the season: a small blood sacrifice: and the willingness to always feel your Season's presence in everything for the rest of your life. 01:18 <@Adelene> hmmm 01:18 <@Adelene> not /100%/ sure Lurker's going to jump on that if it comes to MWF, but it's likely. ^^ 01:18 < Evenstar> Season mages have an extra sense for 'where is my season': it's sort of like prioproception, only on a much larger scale. 01:19 < Evenstar> And much like prioproception, it only really turns off if you're unconscious. 01:19 < Evenstar> There /is/ an out if you're very desperate. 01:20 < Evenstar> (Such as if you're a Summer mage who's finally found that your life has caught up to you.) 01:20 < Evenstar> That out is to try and dedicate yourself to your opposing season. 01:21 < Teceler> what is the metric for 'opposing season' here? 01:21 < Evenstar> Halfway around the calendar in this case. 01:21 < Evenstar> If you're dedicated to summer, you oppose winter: if you're dedicated to Spring, you oppose fall. 01:22 < Evenstar> (This does crop up socially between mages: there's a natural uneasiness when you're nearby a mage of your opposing season.) 01:22 < Evenstar> In any case. If you try to dedicate to winter while you're Summer... 01:23 < Evenstar> At that point, you get about a half-hour of horrible unpleasantness, you lose your Summer sense and powers, and you'll never be able to dedicate to any season ever again. 01:23 < Evenstar> If you try it with a quarter-turn season (summer to fall, summer to spring, etc) 01:23 < Evenstar> Then you get the half-hour of horrible unpleasantness, but keep your powers. 01:24 <@Adelene> Anything interesting if you do that twice, like summer -> fall -> winter? 01:24 < Andygal> what sort of horrible unpleasantness? 01:25 < Evenstar> Adelene: I don't think anyone's tried beyond one circle so far. 01:25 < Evenstar> (That is, beyond one conflict. It's nasty.) 01:25 <@Adelene> *nod* 01:25 < Evenstar> Andygal: It depends on the exact pairing you're doing. 01:27 < Evenstar> If you're mantled with Summer and you attempt to mantle Winter, you'll experience intense hot and cold flashes, shivering fever, the sensation of being burned-and-frozen-all-over, and then finally both your conflicting mantles will reject you. 01:28 < Evenstar> If you're mantled with Winter and attempt to mantle Spring, you'll experience a series of manic-depressive swings, crushing fatigue interspersed with restless energy, and then the spring mantle will dissipate. 01:29 < Evenstar> If you're mantled with Winter and attempt to mantle Autumn, you'll experience periods of sensory deprivation interspersed with periods of hypersensitivity. 01:30 < Evenstar> Etcetera. 01:30 < Evenstar> In all cases, the exact nature of the horribleness is related to the conflict taking place between the two mantles. 01:31 < Evenstar> I'd love to stay and chat more but it's getting late here 01:31 < Evenstar> I'll move to mobile 01:31 < Evenstar> :P 01:31 -!- Evenstar has quit 01:52 < Teceler> meta!Niryl finds this all /very/ interesting 01:52 < Teceler> but I should sleep 01:52 < Andygal> I should also sleep. 01:53 < Teceler> m. 01:53 < Teceler> sleep well? 01:54 < Andygal> thx, you too. 01:57 -!- Teceler has quit 02:00 -!- tecephone has joined #backstage 02:01 < tecephone> So my internet just fell over and is throwing errors 02:02 < tecephone> I. An just going to go sleep at this point I think 02:02 < tecephone> Am 02:02 < tecephone> ,good night all 02:03 < tecephone> If you can even see this 02:03 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 02:04 -!- Teceler has joined #backstage 02:04 < tecephone> ... 02:04 -!- tecephone has quit 02:04 < Teceler> well then 02:04 < Teceler> um 02:04 < Teceler> yeah. 02:04 < Teceler> sleep. 02:05 < Teceler> um 02:06 < Teceler> can anyone see this? (this time?) 02:07 * Teceler sighs. 02:07 < Andygal> Yeah. 02:07 < Teceler> oh good 02:07 < Teceler> ish 02:08 < Andygal> <hug> 02:08 < Teceler> [hug] 02:08 < Teceler> I don't know how much of what I said earlier went through? 02:09 < Andygal> you were having internet weirdness. 02:09 < Teceler> /huh/ 02:10 < Andygal> and I was brushing my teeth, so. 02:10 < Teceler> no I mean before I fell off 02:10 < Andygal> ] * tecephone has joined #backstage 02:10 < Andygal> [23:01] <tecephone> So my internet just fell over and is throwing errors 02:10 < Andygal> [23:02] <tecephone> I. An just going to go sleep at this point I think 02:10 < Andygal> [23:02] <tecephone> Am 02:10 < Andygal> [23:02] <tecephone> ,good night all 02:10 < Andygal> [23:03] <tecephone> If you can even see this 02:11 < Teceler> yes 02:11 < Teceler> but, like 02:11 < Teceler> <Teceler> but I should sleep 02:11 < Teceler> <Andygal> I should also sleep. 02:11 < Teceler> <Teceler> m. 02:11 < Teceler> <Teceler> sleep well? 02:11 < Teceler> <Teceler> ...alright my internet is malfunctioning 02:11 < Teceler> <Teceler> (and I cannot type straight, have to go over things for typos lots) 02:11 < Teceler> <Teceler> this is clearly a sign that I should /go sleep already/ :P 02:11 < Teceler> <Teceler> yup I think it is down 02:11 < Teceler> <Teceler> (ping?) 02:11 < Andygal> Ah. 02:12 < Teceler> anyway 02:12 < Teceler> sleep 02:13 * Teceler wanders off to accomplish that 02:13 < Teceler> g'night 02:13 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Asleep 02:13 < Andygal> goodnight. 02:13 * Andygal is also heading sleepward imminantly 02:17 -!- Andygal has quit 02:47 -!- jarnvidr_ has joined #backstage 02:47 -!- jarnvidr_ has left #backstage 02:48 -!- jarnvidr_ has joined #backstage 02:48 -!- jarnvidr_ has left #backstage
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Post by Mother Starlight on Oct 28, 2015 15:25:52 GMT
09:54 -!- MTC has quit 10:18 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 10:19 < Faceless> I have returned 10:19 < Faceless> *thunder and lighting* 10:37 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 10:37 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 10:40 < Faceless> hi sonata 10:40 <@Sonata> hi 10:50 * Sonata reads seasons logs 10:50 <@Sonata> I think I'm an Autumn 10:50 <@Sonata> and Rarity is a Winter 10:55 < Faceless> Rarity the unicorn? 10:58 <@Sonata> yep 11:20 -!- Teceler|Asleep is now known as Teceler 11:30 < Faceless> hi Teceler 11:30 < Faceless> Miles would be what kind of mage? 11:30 < Teceler> hello 11:47 < Faceless> what is the policy for ic rudeness? 11:48 < Teceler> mm. off the top of my head: generally be polite about it ooc, if you think it might cause problems for people's plans check first? (also if it goes into disturbing content warn for that) 11:48 <@Sonata> ooc policy is it depends on if people are having fun, ic policy is 'keep it civil, please' 11:52 < Faceless> Ok, sounds reasonable. 11:53 < Faceless> I really should stop being lazy and comb the OTC thread entirely, but what happens if a mortal uses some Cernnumous? 11:54 < Teceler> they get some time from a god suited to whatever they are trying to do 11:54 < Teceler> iirc 11:55 <@Adelene> (Miles is Very Much a Spring, I'd say.) 11:55 < Faceless> Miles is the Springest 11:55 < Faceless> Teceler, like, Hermes helps them when they are trying to run fast? 11:56 <@Adelene> Alternately, 'the absurd kind'. ^^ 11:57 < Teceler> mm. that is a potential thing, but think less that and more -- Cernnumous were suggested as a solution to Eclipse's earth (which is a radioactive nanoswarm-and-exsurgent-filled hellhole) 11:58 -!- Adelene is now known as Workdelene 12:04 < Faceless> likely, I was going to make that some gernunmous would be use to improve my character's immortality a step further enough that it could win against eldritch abominations. Like, removing flaws from the "design" if that makes sense. 12:04 < Teceler> hm. 12:04 < Teceler> yeah, it's possible you could get some dev work on that from Cern 12:04 < Faceless> At any rate, my characters should be able to start belling-up their world :D 12:04 < Teceler> however you want to keep in mind here that Cernnumous are god-/years/ 12:05 < Teceler> you probably want denominations more in the area of god-chron :P 12:06 < Faceless> Yeah, I know, but the OTC offered 5 cernnumous per "unit" of my kind of immortality 12:06 <@Workdelene> What was the exchange rate for planets? On the order of several hours for an undeveloped podunk one and close to a month for something like Earth? 12:06 < Teceler> I thought they offered that as a forward? 12:06 * Teceler goes to look 12:06 <@Workdelene> (I may be very wrong on one or both of those but it was /vaguely/ in that area anyway.) 12:07 < Teceler> Workdelene: hm? 12:07 < Faceless> Teceler, the OTC words: If you're capable of manufacturing transferable, permanent immortality magic, you're a god by the OTC's definition. We would extend five Cernnous of credit to you for immortalizing services that worked as described on the majority of sentients. 12:08 < Teceler> yes 12:08 < Teceler> that. is not per 'unit' 12:08 <@Workdelene> There was a conversation a while ago where Evenstar talked about how much god-chron you'd have to spend to buy planets, it might be useful for value calibration purposes. 12:08 < Teceler> Workdelene: ah 12:08 < Faceless> Ah, I see Teceler 12:08 < Teceler> Faceless: it explictly says 'of credit' 12:09 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 12:09 < Faceless> in my defense it was pretty late when I read it xD 12:09 < Teceler> (although given how Cernnous works XD) 12:09 < Andygal> Hi. 12:09 < Teceler> it might be worth asking what they consider each immortality to be worth, yeah 12:09 < Teceler> hi Andygal 12:09 < Faceless> Teceler, certainly it would 12:10 < Faceless> albeit getting even one cernmous sounds like a pretty sweet deal even if they have to seel all of their immortality "units" in the future. 12:10 * Teceler shrugs. 12:12 * Faceless mimics the shrug 12:12 < Faceless> gonna read on the relevant thread and then contact eva 12:13 < Teceler> (Firewall got multiple Cernnumous for most of Eclipse's technological advances, as another data point) 12:13 < Teceler> (and that was after removing all the physiological stuff and their medical tech already having been distributed some) 12:14 < Andygal> 0_9 12:14 < Faceless> 0_9? 12:14 < Andygal> the 9 was supposed to be an 0. 12:14 < Teceler> Andygal: hm? 12:14 < Faceless> it was a shocked face 0_0 12:14 < Andygal> Just a bit surprised they got that much for it. 12:15 < Teceler> I mean. That ego sleeving thing the OTC is selling? 12:15 < Teceler> most of that is from there. 12:16 < Faceless> I was actually suspecting that 12:16 < Faceless> mostly because there was other forum-related products there already 12:16 < Andygal> Uh-huh. 12:18 < Faceless> How the forum does ressurection? 12:18 < Teceler> hm? 12:19 < Andygal> forum has several possible ways to ressurect people. 12:23 < Faceless> huh, which ways can ressurect someone dead at least 5 years ago, the remains are available. 12:23 < Teceler> hm. 12:24 < Teceler> if ME can scry the world he can probably past-scry them before they died. 12:25 < Teceler> there's the keeper if you're willing to wait however long it takes her to get to the point of resurrecting people (but that's going to be a /long/ time I expect) or can convince her it's a sufficently unique problem not to come up again 12:26 <@Workdelene> One or two of those and she's liable to decide that 'a sufficiently unique problem to not come up again' is not a sufficiently unique problem to not come up again. (Hazards of an interdimensional forum, that. ^^) 12:26 < Teceler> pft 12:26 * Teceler nods. 12:27 < Andygal> Or you could manage to bribe her, but that is extremely hard. 12:27 < Teceler> very very hard, yes 12:28 < Faceless> My characters have a sibling that is custody of other people, ressurecting the parents would be awkward give some weight to remove the sibling from the situation 12:29 * Teceler glances at the other resources they have to do that 12:29 < Faceless> ? 12:29 < Andygal> could just gate in and steal the kid. 12:29 < Teceler> to remove their sibling from the situation. 12:30 <@Workdelene> Lurker would totally be up for stealing the kid, assuming they want to go. 12:33 < Faceless> Ah, they would if it was ultimately the only thing they could do, but it isn't urgent in the other of years... yet. 12:34 <@Workdelene> I mean, Lurker's response to that from the outset is that it is obviously correct to go get the kid if the kid wants to be gotten, regardless of /any/ other factors. ^^ 12:35 < Faceless> to elaborate the situation: Their culture have something of... eugenic programs, or dunno the term to get people with good combination of gifts through various degrees of arragement marriage and deals, which the sibling's parents opposed, so they left to live on the USA. And (stuff happens) the parents are dead, the younger sibling is in custody of a 12:35 <@Workdelene> cut off at 'custody of a' 12:36 < Faceless> a conservative grandparent who truly believes on the whole arraged marriage thingie as someone's duty to the culture. The younger kid, might or might not starting to believe in this, which worries the twins. 12:38 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 12:38 <@Workdelene> Yeah, that sounds like a situation where she'd at least stop by and go 'hey, are you where you want to be? I can portal you out of here, to your siblings or the international house of nonsense or whatever, if you want'. 12:39 <@Workdelene> And if the grandparent has gotten to him, she kinda comes back and goes *shrug* 12:39 <@Workdelene> (Unless the situation seems abusive, in which case she will at least very seriously consider abducting the kid.) 12:41 < Faceless> I haven't decided much on those details, I do consider the cultural set /unhealthy/ and I can add details to make it abusive (there is little to no chance that queerness would be accepted in this society). I will think about it 12:41 < Faceless> And thanks for kobolding help ^^ 12:41 <@Workdelene> ^^ 12:41 * Faceless offers kobolds scritches 12:41 <@Workdelene> Lurker: ^.^ 12:42 * Faceless scritches the kobold 12:42 < Faceless> ^_^ 12:42 < Andygal> <3 12:42 <@Workdelene> *giggle* 12:48 -!- Faceless is now known as FacelessNap 14:08 -!- Workdelene is now known as Adelene 14:14 -!- FacelessNap has quit 14:24 -!- Sonata has quit 14:39 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 14:40 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 15:36 -!- FacelessMole has joined #backstage 15:37 < FacelessMole> o/ 15:37 < Andygal> Hi. 15:50 -!- Evenstar has joined #backstage 15:50 < Evenstar> Hi again all :3 15:50 < FacelessMole> hi eva o/ 15:50 < Evenstar> o/ 15:51 < FacelessMole> how are things? 15:51 < Andygal> Hi! 15:51 < Evenstar> Good, good 15:51 < Evenstar> I think I still owe tags on things but I am unsure of what some of them are 15:52 < Evenstar> There's the package threads 15:52 < Evenstar> And there's the 'fix the moon' thing 15:52 < Evenstar> And there's OTCbusiness as always 15:52 < FacelessMole> fix the moon sounds like a important thing 15:52 < Evenstar> Yeah, but I'm not sure if Kappa and Butcher are around 15:52 < FacelessMole> Do I own you a response for OTCbusiness? I am not entirely sure what is the etiquete in this case 15:53 < Evenstar> Entirely up to you 15:53 < FacelessMole> neither have been on the chat for a few days. 15:53 < Evenstar> Yeah, I haven't seen them around 15:54 < Evenstar> I'm glad to see we've gained a Sapphire :3 15:54 <@Adelene> Kappa can be summoned but I don't know if that's useful without Bucher. 15:54 < FacelessMole> yeah, talking to her has been fun 15:55 < Evenstar> Well, that at least means I should go tag Treethread. 15:55 < FacelessMole> Evenstar, I was curious to know about the details of the cernnumous credit. Currenly Fenris should make one (1) immortality per month, but should be able to step up that production further. 15:56 < FacelessMole> specially if I decide to use primaeval hint to cheat and have him gain better understanding/use of his powers. 15:57 < Evenstar> Faceless: Basically, Fenris accumulates Cerrnnous-debt against his credit as he spends money on things from OTC. 15:58 < Evenstar> When he reaches an amount of time that's equivalent to 'how long it takes him to make an immortality', OTC will then have the option to say 'give this person we specify your form of immortality.' 15:59 < Evenstar> More generally, they can ask for the amount of accumulated time that he owes whenever they like, subject to sensible restrictions such that they can't forcibly drag him too horribly. 15:59 < Evenstar> (IE, reasonable forewarning, option to postpone at a penalty, etc.) 16:00 < Evenstar> Keep in mind though that Cernnous are mind-bogglingly huge. 16:01 < Evenstar> (Also lag) 16:01 < FacelessMole> huh, okay that sounds reasonable, there is some details about the immortality 16:01 <@Adelene> You could get, what, a modest-to-midsize solar system with one? 16:02 < Evenstar> Well, depends on how well-developed you want it. 16:03 < Evenstar> For defence though: 5.26 seconds of a god's time is worth 4,350 OTC. 16:03 < Evenstar> *reference 16:04 < Teceler> I needed /scientific notation/ when I put Cernnous in the sheet 16:04 < Evenstar> They are /mind-bogglingly/ big. 16:04 < FacelessMole> what happens is there are these floating rocks, you drink from a spring in them, the spring transmutes into a fountain of you with wings, and you gain wings and some RNG quantity of "skymagic gifts" when you body dies it will be reconstruted at the fountain. Also, it has some minor body-modifications benefits and it is hereditary working as a dominant gene. 16:05 < Evenstar> Everything beyond 'you revive after death' is gravy, because 'immortality' is 'infinite Ka.' 16:06 < Teceler> pft 16:06 < Teceler> except it gets downmarked. ish. 16:06 < Teceler> oh that reminds me at some point I'm going to need to work out what Ka looks like for Neathians. 16:07 < Evenstar> Cernnous is an acknowledgement that in the realm of gods, you're bartering unique services more than you're ever bartering goods. 16:07 * Teceler nods. 16:07 < FacelessMole> Evenstar, still sounded like something you need to put on the brochures, I would like to know why my immortality made me sprouting wings xD 16:07 < Evenstar> The time it takes for a god to do something is the commodity. 16:07 < FacelessMole> also, the twins will make a major point of not using the word /angel/ to describe skymagery 16:08 < Evenstar> Faceless: Yeah, that is a good point. 16:08 < FacelessMole> for cultural reasons 16:08 < Evenstar> As for 'how much does it cost to buy a solar system' 16:08 < Evenstar> That depends. 16:09 < Evenstar> If you want 'the mass of a solar system', OTC can supply raw matter at really affordable rates. 16:09 < Teceler> ... 16:09 * Teceler goes looking for the fire-retardant. 16:10 < Evenstar> If you want the matter to be /safe/ and /useful/ that costs. 16:10 < FacelessMole> Teceler, why? 16:10 < Teceler> ME 16:10 < Teceler> mana 16:10 < FacelessMole> o.o? 16:10 < FacelessMole> oh, wait, M.E. 16:10 < FacelessMole> xD 16:10 < Evenstar> ME breaks down 'information' into mana. 16:11 < Teceler> so, what, their raw mass doesn't have particles? :P 16:11 < Evenstar> Teceler: no, not necessarily. 16:12 < Evenstar> OTC is fully arable of supplying 'generic object.' 16:12 < Evenstar> *capable 16:12 < Teceler> I figured, but the joke amused me 16:12 < Evenstar> Like, it's so generic that it's difficult to describe. 16:12 < Teceler> ...pffffffffffffft 16:12 < Andygal> ....pfffft 16:12 < Evenstar> It's "stuff." 16:13 -!- Andygal is now known as Awaygal 16:13 < Awaygal> also, I need to dentist. 16:13 < Evenstar> Useful as reaction mass and for basically nothing else. 16:13 < Teceler> good luck Andygal 16:13 < Evenstar> See you, good luck 16:13 < FacelessMole> good luck awaygal 16:13 < FacelessMole> evenstar, how about paperweight? 16:14 < Evenstar> Faceless: Sure, that works. 16:14 < Evenstar> Or if you need ballast-in-general. 16:14 < Awaygal> doorstop? 16:15 < FacelessMole> building a cube fort? 16:15 < Evenstar> Well, the issue is that you'd have to actually break off a chunk of 'object' to use. 16:16 < Evenstar> Or you could order it cut into cubes, but that costs more for the extra processing. 16:16 < FacelessMole> ah, I assumed they automatically came in cubic format 16:16 < FacelessMole> to be perfectly generic 16:16 < Evenstar> Basically, if you want a huge geometric object of 'generic material', OTC can supply those. If you want something with a useful shape, that costs more. 16:17 < Evenstar> OTC does 'cube' and 'sphere' as standard shapes. 16:17 < Evenstar> Note though that 'generic object' is actually a step up from the bargain basement 16:19 < Evenstar> If you're willing for your mass to be actively nasty, OTC's prices get better: but you're responsible for having a safe environment to deal with exceedingly nasty matter. 16:19 < Evenstar> Think 'someone fucked up with Naharr.' 16:20 < Evenstar> OTC will supply Naharr-matter to you if they feel you can contain it safely and don't intend to use it for anything nefarious. 16:20 < FacelessMole> Naharr? 16:21 < Evenstar> Kappa's Itaiel of 'possibility' and 'chaos'. 16:21 <@Sonata> random like a joker, as opposed to random like white noise 16:22 < Evenstar> OTC will supply you with hazardous magical wastes if 1: you have effective method to contain them and 2: you don't intend to use them in a dangerous way 16:22 < Evenstar> An example of someone who can use this sort of deal: Cordelia. 16:23 < FacelessMole> And we all can trust Cordelia 16:23 < Evenstar> Fill a demiplane with nastymatter, with a small heavily-reinforced Gate-room/shaping area. 16:24 < Evenstar> Cordelia now has a very large amount of matter to use her angel powers on. 16:25 < Evenstar> It might cost a little more for OTC to do a safety check to make sure everything they send to her will obey being angel-powered, but it'd probably still be cheaper than Generic Object. 16:26 < Evenstar> On the other side of the scale 16:26 < Evenstar> OTC is fully capable of building you a custom universe. 16:26 < Evenstar> Create demiplane exists. Demons and angels exist. OTC runs at a very high clock speed. 16:27 < Evenstar> If you have enough to pay, OTC can get its gods together to make the world you want. 16:27 < Evenstar> (For sufficiently absurd values of 'enough.') 16:28 < Evenstar> (Even basic 'now you have a new universe' costs Cerrnous, since anyone who can make one is a god basically by definition.) 16:28 < FacelessMole> my characters have acess to the artifact that gave theirs powers (of creating a demiplane out of a dream), but they aren't that likely to say this on the forum yet. 16:29 < Teceler> alright I have to head out now too, I'll be back later 16:29 < Evenstar> Alright then 16:29 < Teceler> will think about the Ka thing 16:29 < Evenstar> I'll go tag some things I think 16:29 < Evenstar> See you around 16:29 -!- Evenstar has quit 16:30 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Away 16:30 < FacelessMole> bye o/ 16:50 -!- Evenstar has joined #backstage 16:50 * Evenstar tags Sonata and Kappa 16:51 <@Sonata> oooh! thank you! 16:51 * Evenstar /will/ finish Oddly Targeted Container :3 16:52 -!- Teceler|Away has quit 16:52 < Evenstar> Sonata: sorry, I left something out. One second. 16:53 -!- Evenstar has quit 16:54 -!- Evenstar has joined #backstage 16:54 * Evenstar meant 'Badly Wrapped Package.' >.> 16:54 * Evenstar fixed her tag. 16:55 < Evenstar> Have fun puzzling :3 16:56 -!- Evenstar has quit 17:00 -!- MTC has quit 17:28 -!- tecephone has joined #backstage 17:33 -!- Evenstar has joined #backstage 17:33 < Evenstar> Sonata: Tag 17:34 -!- Evenstar has quit 17:42 -!- Evenstar has joined #backstage 17:43 < Evenstar> Tag 17:43 < Evenstar> (Sonata) 17:43 < FacelessMole> Evenstar, are you having connection problems? 17:45 -!- Evenstar has quit 17:47 < tecephone> I think Evenstar is on the device that closes things as a substitute for changing windows 17:47 < tecephone> Or something along those lines 17:48 < FacelessMole> ah, that makes more sense 18:02 -!- Evenstar has joined #backstage 18:02 < Evenstar> Sonata: Tag 18:07 -!- Evenstar has quit 18:08 < FacelessMole> I am not entirely sure anymore if it is okay to offer hugs outside the LW/Alicorn community? 18:09 <@Adelene> Some places but not most places, I think. 18:19 -!- Teceler has joined #backstage 18:19 -!- tecephone has quit 18:19 < Teceler> I am Very Tired of Xorg crashing when I get up to do something 18:19 < Teceler> or leave to do something 18:20 < Teceler> etc 18:23 < FacelessMole> :/ 18:32 -!- Awaygal is now known as Andygal 18:33 < FacelessMole> wb andygal 18:33 < Teceler> wb 18:34 < Andygal> I have sucessfully survived the dentist. 18:34 < Teceler> that's good! 18:34 < Andygal> also I don't have to have any fillings this time around. 18:35 < FacelessMole> also good 18:35 < Andygal> Yes. 18:36 < FacelessMole> I fixed a chiped tooth on friday and the... "fix" fell on sunday u.u 18:36 < Andygal> blargh. 18:38 < FacelessMole> yeah, my teeth are in such way that that particular one gets "pressure" from the others so it is hard to keep the extra part there 18:40 -!- Evenstar has joined #backstage 18:40 < Evenstar> Tag, Sonata 18:40 -!- Evenstar has quit 18:41 < Andygal> ... 18:48 <@Sonata> Evenstar is on a platform where her client quits whenever she switches to a different tab. 18:48 < Andygal> Ugh. 18:48 <@Sonata> Yeah. 19:31 < Xom> so i recently found out quantum mafia is a thing that exists 19:31 < Teceler> hello Xom 19:31 < Xom> hello 19:31 < Andygal> Oh hi. 19:33 < Xom> basically instead of a role every player is given a probability distribution over the possible roles 19:35 < Xom> every player who is not 100% likely to be dead or 0% likely to be a killer makes a nightkill (and likewise for other night actions) 19:35 < Teceler> ...huh 19:35 < Teceler> that sounds interesting, yeah 19:35 < FacelessMole> o.o 19:35 < Teceler> *Interesting 19:35 < Xom> then during the day voting occurs as normal between all players not completely dead, which collapses some wavefunctions 19:36 < Teceler> howso? 19:36 < Xom> oh also whenever a player is 100% dead their role is observed 19:36 < Xom> that's how it collapses wavefunctions 19:37 < Teceler> ...but they had percentage-based roles? 19:37 < Teceler> so does it determine one based on a random distribution and that, or? 19:37 < Xom> yes, which means you generate a random number over their role distribution and adjust other player's role distributions accordingly 19:37 < Teceler> pffft 19:38 < Teceler> that is approximately what I was trying to say 19:38 < Teceler> words 19:39 < Xom> by default you assign roles fairly, so everyone actually starts with the same probability distribution, which is determined by the number of each role in the game 19:39 < Xom> also another thing that has effects is that if a player was voted off, they couldn't possibly have been nightkilled 19:40 < Xom> and killers can't kill other members of their faction 19:40 < Teceler> ...but if everyone is part of their faction based on the distribution 19:41 < Xom> it should be noted that killers can't talk to each other either and 'active killer' and 'backup killer' are distinct roles 19:42 < Xom> so the rule that killers can't kill other killers acts as another way to make worlds impossible 19:42 <@Sonata> Question, hypothetical situation: We know someone died, but it might be either me or Xom, 50/50 probability. Xom and I both vote to kill Tec; Tec is dead if and only if Xom and I both successfully voted for her. Is Tec therefore 25% (two independent 50% probabilities) or 0% dead (two mutually exclusive possibilities)? 19:43 < Xom> All players who are not known to be dead can vote as though they were alive 19:43 < Xom> so in fact Tec is 100% dead 19:43 <@Sonata> ... 19:43 < Teceler> ah, so you can be fractions of dead 19:43 <@Sonata> okay 19:43 < Teceler> that sounds interesting 19:44 < Xom> you become fractions of dead due to having been targeted by fractions of a killer 19:44 < Xom> also, the usual variant of quantum mafia actually gives the probability table publicly at the start of each day 19:44 < Xom> which is a major departure from regular mafia 19:45 < Xom> here, have a link: http://puzzle.cisra.com.au/2008/quantumwerewolf.html 19:47 < Xom> an interesting effect of quantum mafia/werewolf is that voting a player out can often cause other players to die or become a classical role 19:48 < Xom> so say you lynch Teceler and find out that she's a killer. this means whoever she voted to kill is now known to be dead and not a killer 19:49 < Teceler> and if I'm /not/ the distribution means someone else is more likely to be, and if that goes to 100% whoever they aimed at earlier is dead 19:49 < Xom> also any people who thought they might be cops but investigated Teceler as innocent now know they aren't cops 19:49 < Teceler> ...huh. 19:50 < Xom> which makes a lot more sense in the werewolf phrasing of 'seer' 19:51 < Xom> also if the only possible alpha killers all voted to kill the same person on the same or different nights that person is dead 19:51 < Xom> yeah 19:51 <@Sonata> (Sometimes you receive prophetic visions. Or maybe you just have dreams at night. You're not quite sure which.) 19:51 < Teceler> (pft) 19:52 < Xom> the publicly posted probability table doesn't say anything about being an alpha/beta/etc killer in particular or about being a seer, only good/evil/dead 19:53 < Xom> or, to make it only two independent variables: (good/evil), (alive/dead) 19:53 < Teceler> I'm assuming this is /not/ a kind of game you throw lots of roles at, also 19:53 < Xom> the rules i'm reading only mention town, seer, and wolf, yeah 19:54 < Xom> you could try to work out the quantum version of other roles though, but it would probably play best if you did that in moderation 19:54 < Xom> a quantum doctor, for instance, would make everything a whole lot more complicated for everyone 19:54 < Teceler> huh, most mafia varient's I've heard of have doctors as a basic role 19:55 < Teceler> although that might be why not XD 19:55 < Xom> it *would* still be decidable though 19:55 < Xom> so at least there's that 19:56 < Xom> also adding more roles would mean *every player* has to submit a target for every role you add night 0 19:57 * Teceler nods. 19:57 < Teceler> well unless you start with day 19:57 < Teceler> and probably even then 19:57 < Xom> i've only seen quantum mafia be seer-headstart 19:58 < Xom> so night 0 everyone submits a seer target but no nightkill 19:58 < Xom> this makes the day 1 table not uniform 20:02 * Teceler nods. 20:03 < Xom> oh also that thing i said earlier about the table being posted being a departure from regular mafia was a lie 20:04 < Xom> i just realized it's anonymized 20:04 < Teceler> open setup mafia is a thing, too 20:04 < Xom> so it basically just amounts to it being a quantum open setup, yeah 20:07 -!- FacelessMole is now known as FacelessFall 20:11 * Adelene pokes the portalbold, notices that the Franklyn thread is mostly stuck on a visualization fail. What does the house look like on the inside, Faceless? 20:15 < FacelessFall> I am watching GF, but I am not sure, it is spacious, I imagine it as being 50 year old, but reformed and modernized? 20:16 <@Adelene> hm 20:17 < Andygal> Franklyn seems like he might be the wood panelling type, is he the wood panelling type? 20:17 < FacelessFall> Lest go with that 20:17 <@Sonata> GF? 20:17 <@Sonata> oh 20:24 < FacelessFall> how about using this as a basis Adelene? unless you already have a idea? http://canadiankitcheninstallers.com/wp-content/themes/twentyten/data1/images/img2.jpg 20:25 < Andygal> that looks like a reasonable country kitchen. 20:25 < FacelessFall> look at the url 20:30 * Adelene grumbles about annoying computer issues, looks. 20:32 * Andygal makes sympathetic noises. 20:32 <@Adelene> that helps some, but, hm. *pokes kobold* Like, she'd be looking more at the degree and typesof lived-in-ness and what she can gather from that? 20:33 <@Adelene> pidgin is being badly behaved, I'll be back in a minute. 20:33 -!- Adelene has quit 20:33 -!- Adelene has joined #backstage 20:33 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Adelene] by ChanServ 20:33 <@Adelene> Better. 20:34 < FacelessFall> wb 20:35 < FacelessFall> and the kitchen is clean 20:35 < FacelessFall> a lot of people live in the house but only Franklyn is there in the moment 20:36 <@Adelene> Decorated - art, knicknacks? Clutter? Visible tools or supplies? 20:36 < FacelessFall> the living room has some furniture moved , like someone wanted to open space for a bear to watch tv on the floor 20:37 < Teceler> ...pffffft 20:37 < FacelessFall> Decoration on the kitchen is probably limited to photographs 20:38 < FacelessFall> yes, Ashley was totally the "put family photos EVERYWHERE" kinda of person 20:38 < FacelessFall> maybe 2-3 potted plants 20:39 < FacelessFall> the living room has an aquarium, even more photos a couple more plants and a lot of cushions and comfortable sitting space. 20:39 < Andygal> I am having the most hilarious mental images now, Faceless. 20:39 < FacelessFall> Andygal, what mental images?xD 20:39 < Andygal> of a bear watching TV 20:40 < FacelessFall> XD 20:41 < FacelessFall> The kitchen might have a mechanical arm, one of Adam's gyzmos, he animates eletronics and they can follow orders 20:41 < FacelessFall> albeit the arm is currently dry of magic 20:47 <@Adelene> hmmm 20:48 < FacelessFall> there might a few things slightly out of place because Franklyn packed food fast on the Lighthouse's orders 20:48 < FacelessFall> like the food was put whole, bowl and all inside the bag 20:48 <@Adelene> pft. 20:54 < FacelessFall> between the kitchen and living room there is a door that goes straight to a sort of green house that also has a table if you want to eat breakfast. 20:54 -!- FacelessFall is now known as FacelessFood 21:05 -!- FacelessFood is now known as FacelesSpace 21:42 * Adelene hmmms some more: Franklyn's body language? 21:48 <@Adelene> (like, for example, is there an undertone of 'trying to lure her in with food' or something; if so she /will/ notice and be a little more guarded than she'd otherwise be, though probably still pretty chill overall) 21:52 <@Sonata> in unix/linux, what's the name of the thing that's like a pseudofile? i think used to... communicate between programs? or something? 21:53 < Teceler> system link? 21:53 < Teceler> or something else? 21:53 < FacelesSpace> sorry 21:53 < FacelesSpace> I was distracted Adelene 21:53 < FacelesSpace> Franklyn isn't luring her with food, 21:53 < FacelesSpace> he is genuinely offering it 21:53 <@Adelene> *nod* 21:54 < FacelesSpace> his body language should reflect that he is respecting her personal space, so he might like, hold the tangerine a little further away than usual 21:54 <@Adelene> What /is/ his body language doing? Particularly, like - obviously there's something going on behind the scenes, and I'm wondering how much of that Lurker should be aware of at this point. 21:55 <@Sonata> (I think the term I wanted was "file descriptor") 21:56 < FacelesSpace> What is going on behind the scenes is fairly not bad, the Lighthouse *somehow* might checked that Franklyn's claim is true and they are sending someone to teleport them to the Mars Portal 21:56 <@Sonata> (or possibly "anonymous pipe") 21:56 < FacelesSpace> the Mars Portal location is technically secret so there is so behind the scene stuff related to that but nothing really about Lurker 21:57 <@Adelene> Why the rush with the food, though? 21:58 < FacelesSpace> combination of being overly cautious about a "resource" and the fact that they really don't know when the teleporter will manage to pick Franklyn and Lurker up, Amy has a world wide range but her aiming isn't as great 21:59 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Away 21:59 <@Adelene> Ah, okay. 22:00 < FacelesSpace> I am tempted to have Temperance show up, she is Franklyn's power copying sister, and maybe she portals Franklyn and Lurker from a place where Amy opened a portal to the Mars Portal, as extra security measure 22:01 <@Adelene> I strongly suspect that copying Lurker's power doesn't work - like, it'll mage someone, but they still have to learn to use it. 22:02 <@Adelene> Which, uh. 22:03 < FacelesSpace> I don't think Temperance would be able to copy Lurker's powers at all, and she would ask first. 22:03 <@Adelene> Ok. 22:04 < FacelesSpace> I was also tempted to add the power booster, who would carelessly boost Franklyn and then move-magic-on-his-brain, but it sounded too mean to all parts involved. 22:05 <@Adelene> Not sure what exactly you mean there but it certainly doesn't sound fun, no. 22:07 < FacelesSpace> there is a character called Lucianne, she boosts magic/powers with a touch, the idea is that at some point she hears that Franklyn can't get all of Lurker's skills because of the different brain, and Lucianne innocently would go *boop* and 22:08 < FacelesSpace> and Franklyn would get all of Lurker's skills including the spellsmagic 22:08 < FacelesSpace> spellbearing 22:08 < FacelesSpace> the carp magic thingie 22:08 <@Adelene> That would be alarming. 22:08 * FacelesSpace makes vague hand gestures 22:08 < FacelesSpace> yup 22:08 <@Adelene> And probably not very cool for him actually, if her antimagic works on the local stuff. ^^ 22:10 < FacelesSpace> I thought the antimagic was only like appearing like a ilusion? 22:11 <@Adelene> Yeah, hence 'if'. If a sufficiently good illusion would fool the local stuff it still works on her. 22:14 < FacelesSpace> huh, maybe not on Franklyn's power, he doesn't have a illusion filter I think, not sure about other powers like the mimicry or boosting 22:16 <@Adelene> *nod* 22:23 < FacelesSpace> now I am really happy that Amy creates portals 22:24 <@Sonata> I just wanna say, I am /still/ entertained by the I'm-an-illusion effect. 22:25 <@Adelene> ^^ 22:25 <@Adelene> One day, /one day/, she's going to run into someone who notices that /first/, and reacts to it. ^^ 22:30 < FacelesSpace> now I vaguely want to drop her at somewhere in the vicinity of Sally, an illusionist, just for someone to go "Sally, why are you illusing the cute furry creature?" 22:30 <@Adelene> *giggle* 22:30 < Andygal> hahaha 22:34 < FacelesSpace> better yet is that reaction is likely to be "Huh, I don't remember doing" *waves hands* "werid, it isn't going away" 22:36 <@Adelene> *snicker* 22:37 <@Adelene> Lurker, meanwhile: ??????? 22:38 < FacelesSpace> Sally *pokes Lurker* "AAAAAH" 22:39 <@Sonata> is the yelling because Lurker bit her? 22:39 <@Adelene> I'd guess the local illusions don't come in 'solid'. 22:39 < FacelesSpace> nope 22:41 <@Adelene> Further amusement: Her reaction to someone poking her and going 'aaaaa' is likely to be 'teleport away'. ^^ 22:41 < FacelesSpace> okay, then we consider this a sandbox and that is finished. yay! 22:41 <@Adelene> pfft ^^ 22:42 -!- Teceler|Away is now known as Teceler 22:43 < Andygal> pffffthahaha 22:43 < Teceler> pfft 22:44 < Teceler> ...you know if you dropped her near a FL!cat they would, um, probably notice that first. 22:44 < FacelesSpace> they would? 22:44 < Teceler> ...I'm not sure how they'd react though, hm 22:44 < Teceler> FacelesSpace: you have not run into the Wars of Illusion yet have you 22:46 < FacelesSpace> no, I have been rather... dunno purposeless on FL? 22:46 * Teceler nods. 22:47 < Teceler> Following the main-stat storylines is not a bad way to proceed 22:47 < Teceler> um, also it is currently halloween. hm. 22:47 < FacelesSpace> oh yeah the hallowmas thing, i haven't checked that much 22:47 * Sonata checks calendar 22:47 <@Sonata> it doesn't look exactly halloween to me? 22:47 < Teceler> ...that was an unclear statement yes sorry 22:48 < Andygal> I need to log in... 22:48 < Teceler> *halloween season 22:48 <@Sonata> aha 22:48 * Teceler ambles off to send off more confession-social actions, wonders if anyone here wants some 22:49 < Andygal> ooo sure. 22:49 < Teceler> Andygal: which? (are you a PoSI?) 22:49 < Teceler> (...you probably are not are you) 22:49 < Andygal> Nope. 22:51 < Teceler> okay, so violence (dangerous/wounds), curiosity (watchful/nightmares), impropriety (persuasive/scandal), and guile (shadowy/suspicion) 22:51 < Teceler> take your pick 22:52 < FacelesSpace> curiosity! 22:52 < FacelesSpace> can I get curiosity? 22:52 < Teceler> sure 22:53 < Andygal> curiosity also? 22:53 < FacelesSpace> actually do I even have you on FL? 22:53 < Teceler> I'm not sure we're Acquainted but we just need to be contacts 22:53 * Teceler looks at her contact list, hms. 22:54 <@Sonata> I could use some help reducing Scandal 22:54 < FacelesSpace> I am FacelessLondoner 22:54 < Teceler> I know I have Andygal, so Andygal you need more Nightmares (you need at least 3) 22:54 * Teceler tests 22:54 < Teceler> ...and I do have you Faceless you're just not eligible either 22:54 < Andygal> Aah.. 22:55 < FacelesSpace> my nightmare is 4 22:55 < Teceler> hmmmm. 22:55 * Teceler will poke it again in a moment 22:55 < FacelesSpace> ops, 2 22:55 < Teceler> ah 22:55 < FacelesSpace> that can be solved in a few minutes, I think 22:55 * Teceler tries to remember Sonata's FL-account 22:56 < Teceler> (also Faceless you're showing up for impropriety XD) 22:56 <@Sonata> Mira Venefica 22:56 < Teceler> ah, yes, there, it was hiding 22:56 * Teceler sends. 22:57 < FacelesSpace> Teceler, that makes sense 22:58 < FacelesSpace> don't remember why, but I am pretty sure the rumors are well based 22:58 < Teceler> lots of scandal, hm? :P 22:59 < FacelesSpace> what can I say, I live a interesting life 22:59 < FacelesSpace> (in a computer game) 22:59 <@Sonata> Thanks Niryl 23:01 < Teceler> Niryl: [will even not betray your confession] 23:02 < Teceler> Niryl: [asks her aunt for some darkdrop coffee] [gets tooth-breaking stuff instead] [sighs] 23:03 < Andygal> I now have 4 scandal because of a thing. 23:04 < Teceler> would you prefer impropriety then? 23:04 < Teceler> (alternately Niryl can take some scandal dupes and will need Scandal later anyway) 23:05 < Andygal> Go for impropriety. 23:05 * Teceler nods. 23:05 * Teceler pauses to eye her action bar. 23:05 < Teceler> in 2 minutes I will then 23:05 < Andygal> s'okay 23:05 < FacelesSpace> Can you do this multiple times or it is once per person? 23:06 < Teceler> FacelesSpace: once per person, although I /think/ you can reciprocate? 23:15 < FacelesSpace> huh, you can go impropriety for me then, unless you prefer do it another time then I will gather nightmares 23:20 < Teceler> FacelesSpace: I don't have preferences on time, if you want curisosity specifically I can wait 23:20 < Teceler> Andygal: before I send this do you still want impropriety? 23:21 < Andygal> Yes. 23:22 < FacelesSpace> thanks 23:28 < Andygal> thanks 23:31 < FacelesSpace> I am going to bed o/ 23:31 < Teceler> sleep well 23:33 < Andygal> goodnight 23:33 -!- FacelesSpace has quit --- Day changed Tue Oct 27 2015 01:16 -!- Sonata has quit 02:12 -!- MTC has joined #backstage
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Post by Mother Starlight on Oct 28, 2015 15:26:32 GMT
05:26 -!- Andygal has quit 09:14 -!- Adelene has quit 10:00 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 10:00 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 12:19 -!- Adelene has joined #backstage 12:19 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Adelene] by ChanServ 13:41 -!- Evenstar has joined #backstage 13:41 < Evenstar> Hey all 13:41 < Teceler> hello 13:45 -!- Evenstar has quit 13:46 <@Sonata> hi 13:46 <@Sonata> oh 13:46 < Teceler> ... 13:46 * Teceler sighs. 13:47 <@Sonata> I mean, hi to you too 13:47 <@Sonata> but you were here already i think 13:47 < Teceler> I was 13:47 < Teceler> that was at Evenstar vanishing again XD 13:47 <@Sonata> ah 13:48 < Teceler> when I had just remembered the thing I wanted to discuss with her 14:02 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 14:09 < Teceler> hello Faceless 14:11 < Faceless> hi 14:11 < Faceless> o/ 14:11 < Faceless> how are things? 14:16 <@Adelene> you have a tag, for one. ^^ 14:19 < Faceless> just for me?I shall treasure always. 14:19 < Faceless> or just respond it a minute 14:19 < Faceless> in a* 14:25 <@Adelene> *giggle* 14:32 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Away 14:38 < Faceless> tag 14:38 < Faceless> describing a kitchen through kobold's eyes is harder than I expected xP 14:39 <@Adelene> *chuckle* 14:50 < Faceless> size of new kobolds: so much awwwwwwwwwwwww 14:50 <@Adelene> *giggle* ^^ 15:02 < Faceless> the forum's avatar is supposedly a picture of Lurker? 15:03 <@Adelene> mmhmm 15:06 < Faceless> cool 15:22 <@Adelene> tag 15:29 < Faceless> tag 15:41 <@Adelene> tag 15:45 < Faceless> brb 15:45 < Faceless> translation? 15:46 <@Adelene> "I'm safe from magic things, if I touch them without wanting them to do magic they don't. Unless the magic here is different, anyway." 15:54 < Faceless> tag 15:54 < Faceless> thanks 15:54 < Faceless> sorry, I went to get food. 15:54 < Faceless> can't chew anything T-T 15:55 <@Adelene> :( 15:57 < Faceless> on the plus side, terraria is on hallowen and this includes slimes with bunny masks xD 15:58 -!- Xom has quit 15:58 <@Adelene> tag 15:58 <@Adelene> and yes ^^ 16:06 < Faceless> tag 16:06 -!- tecephone has joined #backstage 16:08 <@Sonata> small kobolds are SO SMALL 16:10 <@Adelene> They /are/. ^^ 16:11 < Faceless> smolbolds 16:12 <@Adelene> Kobolds run about 1/4 the weight of humans, so, yeah, about 2.5-3 lb when they hatch, which is the upper end of what piggies come in. 16:15 < Faceless> @_@ 16:24 <@Adelene> (*sigh* I am not quite in the headspace for the Franklyn thread, I think. Sorry, Faceless.) 16:25 * Faceless offers hugs 16:26 < Faceless> it is alright :) 16:26 <@Adelene> *hug* 16:27 < Faceless> ^_^ 16:33 -!- Teceler|Away is now known as Teceler 16:46 -!- tecephone has quit 16:47 < Faceless> When two people use defeat-enemy coin, the coins "get" overlapping enemies or it is total enemies? 16:47 < Teceler> ...probably they hit overlapping enemies first, at least if there's any cooperation going on 16:47 < Teceler> but it depends on how many enemies they have and how many izikel they are spending, overall, I think 16:48 <@Adelene> first or more satisfyingly, would be my guess, but it's probably very dependent on the situation. 16:50 <@Sonata> I feel like probably not overlapping 16:50 <@Sonata> at least not so it's /redundant/ 16:50 < Teceler> well, yeah 16:51 < Teceler> unless that results in more satisfaction I suppose XD 16:51 <@Sonata> if a single enemy gets hit twice, I'd expect it to be twice as much of a satisfying downfall 16:51 < Teceler> but I"m not sure that's -- yeah 16:51 <@Sonata> not like 'You succeeded! ...but used up a Hard-Earned Lesson anyway.' 16:51 < Teceler> pfffffffffffft 16:51 < Faceless> pfft 16:51 < Faceless> OTC should sell those 16:52 <@Sonata> 'OTC will send a representative to your house to beat some sense into you.' 16:52 < Teceler> pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft 16:52 < Teceler> no, no, they have a sparring match with you 16:52 <@Adelene> lol 16:52 < Teceler> and then mysteriously 16:53 <@Sonata> *ding* Level Up! 16:53 < Teceler> pffft 16:55 < Faceless> I was wondering if "Grandparent with my characters' siblings" is likely to be hit by the wave, he definitely opposes but isn't that much of an /enemy/ in the typical sense? Plus there are others people that are more openly/directly against them 16:55 < Teceler> hm 16:56 < Teceler> if they specifically don't want them to be probably not 16:56 < Teceler> if they haven't thought about it... ask Evenstar? 17:05 < Faceless> I posted about it on the forum, it should clarify enough 17:05 < Faceless> does the currency has a physical form? 17:06 < Teceler> yes 17:06 < Teceler> check the OTC-pad 17:07 <@Sonata> tarnished silver, iirc 17:08 < Faceless> pad? 17:08 <@Sonata> etherpad.net/p/oifilei i think 17:08 < Faceless> ah sorry 17:09 <@Adelene> Evenstar keeps waffling between tarnished silver and rusted iron, iirc. 17:09 <@Sonata> I like silver better personally, bc judas 17:10 -!- MTC has quit 17:11 < Faceless> pfft 17:11 < Faceless> the pad says silver 17:11 < Teceler> mhm, but she's definitely been saying rusted iron more recently 17:13 < Faceless> both? both 17:13 < Faceless> the name comes from somewhere° 17:13 < Faceless> ? 17:13 < Teceler> 'ask Evenstar' 17:14 < Faceless> ops, sorry 17:22 < Faceless> teceler are you opening to sending confessions? 17:22 < Faceless> also do you want some? 17:22 < Teceler> sure 17:22 < Teceler> which do you want? 17:22 < Faceless> curiosity 17:22 < Faceless> and you? 17:22 < Teceler> (non-PoSI-wise curiosity is most flavourful for Niryl) 17:24 < Faceless> I send curiosity to you in a couple of minutes 17:24 < Faceless> I will* 17:27 * Teceler mutters at Firefox 17:32 < Faceless> :/ 17:41 < Faceless> have to go o/ 17:41 < Teceler> good luck with things 17:41 <@Adelene> o/ 17:41 -!- Faceless has quit 18:36 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 18:37 < Andygal> hi? 18:37 < Teceler> hello 18:37 < Teceler> everything is fine nothing is on fire 18:37 -!- Andygal has quit 18:37 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 18:38 < Andygal> Oops. 18:38 < Andygal> my fault 18:38 < Teceler> pffffft 18:39 -!- Evenstar has joined #backstage 18:39 < Evenstar> *waves* 18:41 -!- Evenstar has quit 18:42 < Andygal> Ok then... 18:42 * Teceler sighs. 20:45 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 20:45 < Faceless> hi 20:45 < Teceler> hi 20:45 < Andygal> Hi. 20:46 < Faceless> how are you people? 20:46 < Andygal> Fine. 21:07 < Faceless> I went to watch Peter Pan today 21:08 < Faceless> so obviously I am thinking about a rationalist version, weird how often that happens 22:37 -!- Evenstar has joined #backstage 22:40 * Evenstar waves 22:40 < Teceler> hey 22:40 < Andygal> Hi! 22:40 < Teceler> you keep waving and then vanishing 22:41 < Teceler> I had thoughts about the Neath and Ka. unfortunately I lost my notes when the computer crashed, so I'm going to have to piece together what I remember. 22:42 * Evenstar pouts. 22:42 < Teceler> hm? 22:42 * Evenstar does tend to do that, yes. (Sorry about your notes) 22:42 < Teceler> yeah 22:42 * Evenstar is put out on behalf of you for your note-loss. 22:42 < Teceler> ...brb and then I will do that 22:44 * Evenstar pokes at her Seasons-setting 22:44 * Evenstar has decided that almost universally, mages in Seasons aren't allowed to be political leaders 22:45 < Evenstar> (This is because of problematic fisher-kingness) 22:46 < Teceler> pft 22:46 < Teceler> on one hand, that seems reasonable 22:46 < Teceler> on the other hand, that seems like it might result in cries of anti-mage discrimination. 22:47 < Teceler> okay so 22:47 < Andygal> and also seems kind of hard to enforce. 22:47 < Evenstar> Nah, it's common folk wisdom: and you can always revoke being a mage if you really want to be a politician. 22:47 < Evenstar> Andygal: there is a mechanism in Seasons magic where you can be prevented from ever gaining magic 22:48 < Evenstar> (Well, regaining magic.) 22:48 < Teceler> ...wait so 22:48 < Teceler> politicans are required to get and give up magic? 22:48 < Teceler> or have done that at some point? 22:48 < Teceler> does the stuff the Neath does -- death being strange, age being strange, etc (and I'm not counting the properly immortal people here. Just regular Neathian humans) 22:48 < Evenstar> Politicians are required to not be able to have magic. 22:49 < Teceler> and they can't lie about that? 22:49 < Evenstar> They could try, but it would involve a bunch of bribery and magic use 22:49 < Teceler> hm? 22:49 < Teceler> anyway Neath -- does that count as artificial lifespan extension, or allowing people to live past their lifespan? is that even a significant distinction? 22:50 < Evenstar> Basically if you want to be a politician you need to /publicly/ devote twice to opposing seasons. 22:50 < Teceler> and also wtf is with Dissolution. 22:50 < Evenstar> If you already lost your magic, this will do nothing to you 22:50 < Teceler> Evenstar: ah. --okay that seems like it could get /very/ discriminatory very -- oh. okay fair. 22:50 < Evenstar> If you had magic this will take it away from you. 22:51 < Evenstar> This exists for good reasons 22:51 < Evenstar> The rhyme goes like this: 22:53 < Evenstar> "Summer's kingdoms never last: but Spring's kingdoms hold too fast. Winter's kingdoms go awry: Autumn's kingdoms wither and die." 22:53 < Evenstar> The influence of seasonal magic on rulership inevitably leads to issues. 22:54 < Evenstar> Teceler: as for 'dissolution': The Great Chain is wierd 22:54 < Teceler> yes. 22:55 < Evenstar> Also, I don't think Neathers count as 'alive' for most purposes. 22:55 < Teceler> ...okay if everyone in the Neath has an effective Ka of zero Lizzie is going to -- I don't know exactly what she would do but 22:57 < Evenstar> I think ultimately the issue is 'do zombies and ghosts have Ka' 22:57 < Evenstar> Heck, does /Tyche/ have Ka 22:57 < Teceler> Niryl: hey just because [such spoilers we should probably take this to a side-channel] 23:00 < Teceler> mm, I think in Eclipse Ka is tied to morphs. (which. is probably part of why it gets devalued) 23:00 < Teceler> whether infomorphs and synthmorphs have Ka though, hm. 23:01 < Evenstar> Yeah, Ka is 'bodily-integrity' more than anything else I think 23:01 * Teceler nods. 23:01 < Evenstar> But immortals can't mint it 23:01 < Teceler> hm. 23:01 < Evenstar> And Neathers are /technically/ immortal 23:02 < Evenstar> Their problem is that their immortality sucks 23:02 < Teceler> but they can't /revert/ from the tomb-colonist transformation without external magic 23:02 < Evenstar> Yes, but if a Neather was never injured they could still be around after hundreds of years 23:02 < Teceler> and that's. very bodily-integrity-y 23:02 < Teceler> hm. 23:02 < Evenstar> It's just that they don't heal 23:02 < Teceler> well no 23:03 < Teceler> because [spoilers] 23:03 < Teceler> but I get what you mean 23:04 < Andygal> should this be discussed more throughally in another channel? 23:04 < Teceler> ...is that a request for us to move? 23:07 < Faceless> hi? 23:07 < Faceless> I took a nap 23:07 -!- Mornstar has joined #backstage 23:07 < Andygal> Just a suggestion. 23:07 < Faceless> oh, hey evenstar o/ 23:07 -!- Evenstar has quit 23:07 < Teceler> ...hello again Evenstar 23:07 -!- Mornstar is now known as Evenstar 23:07 * Evenstar was just changing computers 23:07 * Evenstar has a real keyboard now, yay 23:07 < Teceler> useful! 23:07 < Teceler> hm. #Correspondence ? 23:09 < Evenstar> Does anyone have a Rockeye signal? 23:23 < Faceless> Rockeye signal meaning if I can poke him to come here? 23:23 < Evenstar> Yes, but apparently Adelene has already commenced poking 23:25 * Adelene is not quite copping to being awake right now, though. 23:26 < Faceless> I might or might not have already poked him >.> 23:27 < Evenstar> Well stop it :P 23:27 < Teceler> Adelene: [hug?] 23:28 <@Adelene> *hug* 23:30 < Andygal> (hug) 23:30 * Faceless hugs 23:39 * Evenstar is intrigued by the fact that Rockeye thinks Dr. Realist is creepy 23:44 < Faceless> ha 23:44 -!- Faceless is now known as FacelessLand --- Day changed Wed Oct 28 2015 00:30 -!- Evenstar has quit 00:43 -!- FacelessLand has quit 02:06 -!- MTC has joined #backstage
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Post by Mother Starlight on Oct 29, 2015 15:31:42 GMT
08:23 -!- Andygal has quit 11:20 * Sonata awakes 11:20 <@Sonata> apparently I forgot to actually turn off my computer last night, good times 11:20 <@Sonata> and by last night i mean when i went to bed at like 2am 11:20 <@Sonata> ugh 11:21 < Teceler> [hug?] 11:21 <@Sonata> [hug] 11:21 <@Sonata> do you know, i only just now noticed that ugh is an anagram of hug 11:22 < Teceler> pft 11:24 <@Sonata> (i may be at less than full power today) 11:24 <@Sonata> but Ethereum is /so cool/ 11:25 -!- FacelessMask has joined #backstage 11:25 <@Sonata> hello 11:25 <@Sonata> nice name 11:25 < Teceler> hello Faceless 11:25 < FacelessMask> hi 11:26 < FacelessMask> Terraria bunnies are disguised as slimes and the slimes are disguised as bunnies! <3 11:30 < FacelessMask> also anyone wants confessions? 11:42 <@Sonata> I could use a guile 11:43 < FacelessMask> what is your FL name again? 11:43 <@Sonata> Mira Venefica 11:45 < FacelessMask> sent 11:46 <@Sonata> Thank you! 11:47 < FacelessMask> ^^ 12:24 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 12:30 < FacelessMask> hi andygal 12:31 < Teceler> ...faceless did I get that curiosity confession off last night? 12:31 < Andygal> Hi. 12:31 < Teceler> (hello Andygal) 12:31 < FacelessMask> Teceler, I think I sent you, I can try sending again? 12:31 < Teceler> yes 12:31 < FacelessMask> Nyril right? 12:31 < Teceler> but I don't remember if I sent /you/ one 12:32 < FacelessMask> ah 12:32 < Teceler> and I appear to be locked out of it now, so if I didn't I can't, sorry 12:33 < FacelessMask> I think it went through, but anyway, no problem 12:38 < FacelessMask> also, I think you can't send me anything because my nightmare is low 12:38 < Teceler> no I can't send non-POSI confession period. because I have too many confessions to do that apparantly??? 12:39 < FacelessMask> ah, ok either way 12:41 <@Sonata> I can send a confession if you want one 12:42 < FacelessMask> If you want to, sure :D 12:42 <@Sonata> any particular kind? 12:47 < FacelessMask> the persuasive and scandal one 12:47 < FacelessMask> my dealing with devils have consequences 12:48 -!- builder93720 has joined #backstage 12:48 < builder93720> test message 12:48 < Andygal> Hi. 12:49 < FacelessMask> o/ 12:51 < FacelessMask> so builder93720 how are you? 12:53 < builder93720> status: INTERESTED in MWF 12:53 <@Sonata> Welcome! 12:54 < FacelessMask> the place is very interesting :D 12:54 < FacelessMask> What do you build, builder? 12:55 < builder93720> current orders: Construct space elevator at coordinates 72.32.87W, 06.10.00N 12:55 < Teceler> iiiinteresting 12:55 < Teceler> on what planet? 12:56 < builder93720> Hive 11 12:56 < FacelessMask> so... what kind of being are you? 12:57 < builder93720> HIVERs are the true creations of the Great Queen and destined to rule the Galaxy 12:57 < Teceler> oh dear. 12:58 <@Sonata> ...this is an OOC channel 12:58 < builder93720> Yeah, I know, I'm practicing 12:58 * Teceler goes and retrieves her hotline to Firewall 12:58 <@Sonata> oh, ok 12:58 < Andygal> :) 12:58 < FacelessMask> haha 12:58 < FacelessMask> xD 12:59 < FacelessMask> Teceler, just because someone says they are destined to rule the Galaxy, it doesn't mean they are evil 12:59 < Andygal> pfffft 13:00 < Teceler> perhaps. There's some, um, concerning connotations there. 13:00 < builder93720> Thus far the Eye of the HIVE has not seen any non-HIVER intelligent life. 13:00 < builder93720> Until this forum. 13:00 < builder93720> I am unsure what to make of it. 13:00 < Andygal> Ah. 13:00 < Teceler> and besides if they're /not/ evil Firewall /is/ capable of, you know, dealing with people peaceably 13:00 < Teceler> ah 13:01 < builder93720> Some of the individuals in this forum are alarming. I may be forced to conclude that I should sever my connection to it for the good of the HIVE. 13:02 < Teceler> that may not help 13:02 < Teceler> I think the point has come up before 13:02 < Teceler> also the forum isn't conductive for attacks 13:02 < Teceler> MS is through with her security measures 13:02 < FacelessMask> ahm but builder we are so nice :D 13:04 < FacelessMask> hivers are biological, right? 13:04 < builder93720> yes 13:04 < FacelessMask> ah, what kind of biological, the memory crystal reminded me of a concept I once had 13:05 < builder93720> Insufficient information to compare with the jamority of HUMANs 13:05 < builder93720> majority* 13:05 < builder93720> I am not a geneweaver. 13:06 < builder93720> And half of what I'm saying would be better said somewhere in the forum I think 13:06 < builder93720> To build up HIVERs 13:06 * Teceler pokes the ic/ooc stuff. 13:06 < Teceler> this is getting confusing 13:06 < builder93720> ok no more ic from me here 13:07 < FacelessMask> it isn't bad, just confusing 13:07 < Teceler> (if you specify what's ic or semi-ic that's fine) 13:07 < FacelessMask> you can post on the relevant threads about inteligent life or someone (maybe me) could ask? 13:08 < builder93720> Planning a post now 13:11 < FacelessMask> yay ^^ 13:11 < FacelessMask> is this your first MWF character? 13:13 < builder93720> no 13:13 < Teceler> hm? 13:13 <@Sonata> who else are you? 13:13 <@Sonata> ...are you Evenstar 13:14 < builder93720> I'm Rockeye, but I can only do IRCs for any length of time when I'm a character not ME. Personal history. 13:14 < Teceler> ah 13:14 < Teceler> [hug if wanted] 13:15 < builder93720> no 13:15 < Teceler> okay 13:15 * FacelessMask offers non-tactile sympathy 13:15 < Teceler> ...right you mentioned that before didn't you 13:15 < Teceler> sorry 13:24 < FacelessMask> I am enjoying this pun and want to share with people http://plain-dealing-villain.tumblr.com/post/132065707332/mr-jakely-this-year-im-ash-wednesday-for 13:25 < Andygal> pfffffft 13:27 < builder93720> posted a thing, FacelessMask 13:27 < builder93720> http://manyworlds.boards.net/thread/8/local-intelligent-life?page=14&scrollTo=5573 13:30 -!- builder93720 has quit 13:35 -!- Sonata has quit 13:42 < FacelessMask> Does the forum have any psychocomps besides Tama? 13:43 < FacelessMask> pomp* 13:58 -!- builder93720 has joined #backstage 14:11 < builder93720> everyone is gone 14:12 < Teceler> it gets randomly quiet sometimes 14:14 -!- builder93720 has quit 14:46 -!- builder93720 has joined #backstage 14:47 < builder93720> ...I wrote Builder's latest post on a whim and it makes the world quite a bit more alarming than I originally intended it to be. 14:51 * FacelessMask is checking 14:53 < FacelessMask> I assumed the reason why 5-10% are reborn, was that a queen /can't/ only remake old HIVERs 14:53 < FacelessMask> like if they eat a crystal the memories then some of the eggs/hatchlings will be reicarnated hivers, but most will be brandnew 14:54 < FacelessMask> ? 14:54 < builder93720> It takes like 5 times as long, and some memory crystals are corrupted beyond repair 14:54 < builder93720> it's a manual process for each individual reborn hiver. 14:56 < FacelessMask> this makes it considerably less horrible 14:56 < builder93720> I more meant the panicked AAH THE THOUGHT POLICE WILL DESTROY MY CRYSTAL 14:57 < FacelessMask> the sort-of-cannibalist eating of crystals is sort of bad tough I can see /some/ justification? 14:57 < builder93720> Is what makes the world seem horrible 14:57 < FacelessMask> aaaah 14:57 < FacelessMask> nope 14:57 < builder93720> Actually having your crystal eaten is better than not 14:57 < builder93720> it's semi-rebirth 14:57 < builder93720> Capital punishment is destruction of your crystal. 14:58 < builder93720> Because your memories live on, is the idea 14:58 < builder93720> Unless you were killed FOR YOUR CRYSTAL, of course 14:59 < FacelessMask> I see what you mean 15:03 < FacelessMask> huh, I should still IC ask about the "why only 5-10%" thingie hold on 15:22 < FacelessMask> Forgot to say that I asked there 15:22 < FacelessMask> what does builder93720 looks like? 15:29 < builder93720> http://wiki.swordofthestars.com/sots1/images/thumb/8/85/SotS_Hiver.jpg/180px-SotS_Hiver.jpg 15:29 < builder93720> ...It didn't load 15:32 < builder93720> Anyway they're heavily based on but not identical to these 15:32 < builder93720> http://wiki.swordofthestars.com/sots2/Hivers 15:44 -!- FacelessMask is now known as FacelessBusy 15:44 < FacelessBusy> cute 16:14 -!- FacelessBusy has quit 16:18 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Away 16:56 -!- builder93720 has quit 17:13 -!- tecephone has joined #backstage 17:36 -!- MTC has quit 17:37 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 17:38 -!- tecephone has quit 17:39 < Faceless> hi 17:39 -!- tecephone has joined #backstage 17:46 -!- Teceler|Away is now known as Teceler 17:46 -!- tecephone has quit 19:39 -!- Faceless is now known as FacelessMe 19:39 * FacelessMe pokes chat 19:39 * Teceler exists. 19:39 < Andygal> Hi. 19:39 * Teceler is poked. 19:40 < FacelessMe> hi o/ 19:40 < FacelessMe> I was thinking if adding more characters would make it too many xP 19:46 < Teceler> hm. 19:46 < Teceler> I was considering throwing a pair of characters with solid excuses for being frequently inactive at the forum 19:46 < FacelessMe> probably should have a better reason than thinking of a clever username 19:46 < Teceler> pft 19:47 < FacelessMe> Teceler, yeah, I have the same deal for pretty much my characters 19:47 < Teceler> hm? 19:47 < FacelessMe> Amber (Write it down) even shouldn't post at all 19:47 < FacelessMe> Teceler, Tama is busy with work 19:47 < Teceler> brb 19:48 < FacelessMe> Winter and Ignite both have spotty access and their world has pocket dimensions with weird time 19:51 < FacelessMe> like, tomorrow I am going a short trip, I am /totally/ going to have them being absent for a time and then go "We went to witchlands and decided to take a nap, next thing we knew it was three days later on Earth" 19:53 * Teceler nods. 19:54 < FacelessMe> ^_^ 19:54 < Teceler> good luck with your trip? 19:55 < FacelessMe> thanks o/ 20:58 -!- Mori has joined #backstage 21:16 < Teceler> hello Mori? 21:21 < FacelessMe> I don't remember mori 21:21 < FacelessMe> who they play? 21:21 < FacelessMe> also, Who is Jarnvidr? 21:24 < Mori> Hi! I'm Mori -- I'm new. I play Sapphire. 21:24 < Andygal> Hello Mori? 21:24 < Mori> Hi people :) 21:24 < Andygal> :) 21:24 < Teceler> FacelessMe: Jarnvidr just lurks [shrug] 21:25 < Teceler> Sapphire is interesting! 21:25 < Mori> Thank you! There are a lot of awesome characters on the forum. 21:25 < Mori> Who do y'all play? (Is there a chart of these things somewhere?) 21:26 < Teceler> um. unless there is on the wiki probably no. 21:27 < Teceler> other than trawling the who plays who thread, and that's incomplete 21:27 -!- builder93720 has joined #backstage 21:27 < FacelessMe> Mori, I like Sapphire 21:28 < FacelessMe> (can't stop thinking of Steven Universe, though) 21:28 < Mori> Thank you! I've never watched Steven Universe, but I've heard good things about it. 21:28 < Teceler> I write Thorn, Tyche, Actuality (Zahi), Cassiel, and Niryl 21:30 < FacelessMe> (it isn't really related, only the fact there is a character named sapphire, I just easy to distract - LOOK A SHINY OBJECT!) 21:30 < FacelessMe> I write: Tama Eternal Stationmaster; Write it Down; Come Forth Winter and Ignite the Light 21:30 < Teceler> builder93720: was just catching up on the OTCthread, and that soounds somewhat unwise, is it intended as such oocly? 21:31 < builder93720> which one 21:31 < FacelessMe> I think the one about minting 30 chron? 21:31 < Teceler> that yeah 21:31 < builder93720> he doesn't care about his time. Magical artifacts will save all his workers' time. 21:31 < builder93720> IT! IT! 21:31 < Teceler> um. 21:31 < builder93720> I keep forgetting 21:31 < builder93720> it's an it. 21:31 < Teceler> that's not generic time 21:31 < Teceler> that's 'time you need' 21:32 < builder93720> he still doesn't care. 21:32 < FacelessMe> ah, ok, as long it doesn't get replaced by builder93721 21:32 < builder93720> If it was time his hive needs, never ever. But time he personally needs? Not so much. 21:32 < builder93720> it 21:33 < builder93720> I can't even remember to call it it myself, cmon 21:33 < FacelessMe> I am only remembering because you are forgetting :p 21:34 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 21:34 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 21:35 < FacelessMe> Mori, Sapphire's world is a original canon? 21:36 < Mori> Actually no! It is from an old British sci-fi show "Sapphire & Steel." But they are very vague about how the world works, so yeah, a great deal of it is original headcanon. 21:37 < Mori> I am enjoying builder93720 very much, btw. 21:38 < FacelessMe> Mori, I remember reading about that on some wiki somewhere, cool 21:41 < builder93720> hivers are mostly SOTS canon. Making one on the forum makes me want to play that game again. 21:42 < FacelessMe> ol 21:42 < FacelessMe> ops 21:42 < FacelessMe> builder, I know the feeling 21:42 < FacelessMe> also it is just me or the SOTS site that you sent me is broken? 21:45 -!- Moriwen has joined #backstage 21:45 < Moriwen> (stupid wifi) 21:45 < builder93720> yes, it's very broken 21:45 < Teceler> wb 21:46 < Andygal> I write Anda and Singer. 21:48 < FacelessMe> Adelene writes Lurker and Sonata writes Mother Starlight and I don't know who else...? 21:48 -!- builder93720 has quit 21:48 <@Sonata> there's a thread for this i think 21:48 -!- Mori has quit 21:56 -!- Mori has joined #backstage 21:56 -!- Moriwen has quit 21:57 * FacelessMe pokes Mori connection with a stick 21:57 < Andygal> .... 21:57 < Mori> my connection deserves all the stick-poking it gets 21:58 * FacelessMe stick-pokes wildly 21:59 * Teceler is concerned about the potential further damage to Mori's connection as a consequence of this plan 22:00 < FacelessMe> huh, anyway, I sorted wanted/helps opinions? 22:01 < Teceler> about? 22:03 < FacelessMe> Well, I mentioned that Winter/Ignite had a sibling that is currently on custody of a very conservative granparent, right? I can't decide which gender (and for that matter transness or sexuality) the kid ought to be 22:03 < Teceler> roll dice? 22:03 < FacelessMe> making they a girl seems to much like... the trope of dansel in distress, you know? 22:03 < Teceler> (that is a serious suggestion) 22:03 < FacelessMe> huh 22:04 < FacelessMe> (I know) 22:05 < FacelessMe> I have a small problem that the world is from a failed story that only had male main characters (this being a reason why it failed to stick on my mind), so I wanted to add more females, but urgh, dunno >.> 22:07 -!- Mori has quit 22:08 -!- Mori has joined #backstage 22:08 < FacelessMe> hi again mori 22:08 < Mori> for the love of pete 22:08 < Mori> I am going to strangle my wifi 22:08 < Andygal> that is unlikely to help. 22:08 < Mori> ...but it would be satisfying 22:08 < Teceler> what Andygal said 22:08 < Teceler> oh well there is that 22:09 < Teceler> that is not to be discounted 22:09 < FacelessMe> oh, I know the feeling 22:09 < Mori> have any thoughts been thought about the gender issues? 22:09 < Mori> because I am seconding the dice-rolling suggestion 22:09 < FacelessMe> I am actually strongly inclined, I assume I should put equal chances on each option? 22:11 -!- Sonata has quit 22:13 < Teceler> FacelessMe: yes 22:14 < Teceler> (oops I didn't actually send that) 22:14 < Teceler> well 22:14 < Teceler> that's probably the /simplist/ 22:14 < Teceler> if you want to include gender non-binary... hm. 22:14 < Mori> three-sided die! 22:15 < Mori> (I own one and it makes me unbelievably happy) 22:16 < FacelessMe> Mori, how does it work? 22:16 < FacelessMe> also there is such thing as customable RNG on the internet 22:17 < Mori> @FacelessMe (is that how you do the name thing?): it's basically what you would get if you took a sphere of clay and pinched it between three fingers 22:17 < Mori> (darn, that is not how you do the name thing) 22:17 < Teceler> the name thing? 22:18 < Mori> the thing where it says someone's name in bold and they get a little message saying "someone mentioned your name" 22:18 < Teceler> ah 22:18 < FacelessMe> Teceler, I was thinking something like "results bellow that equals this and that", I might group non-binaryness on a single umbrella then decide what kind by thinking 22:18 < Teceler> it does actually 22:19 < Mori> ohhhh it only shows up in bold when it's your OWN name, doesn't it. That makes sense. 22:19 < Teceler> yeah 22:19 < Mori> i is smart 22:19 < Teceler> you are not familiar with irc 22:19 < FacelessMe> the ways of irc are mysterious to many Teceler 22:20 < Teceler> ...yes? 22:20 < Teceler> I was saying that -- [sigh] 22:20 < Mori> Teceler no, no I am not. But slowly becoming so! 22:21 < Mori> Teceler it's cool I got it 22:22 < Mori> I need to start having brilliant insights about Richard II for my paper 22:23 < Teceler> oh dear. 22:23 -!- builder93720 has joined #backstage 22:23 -!- builder93720 has quit 22:23 < FacelessMe> What kinds of interesting things Richard the sequel did? 22:24 < Teceler> FacelessMe: I think it's Richard the Second 22:25 < Mori> said "down" a lot, apparently. and "let us sit upon the ground and tell sad stories of the death of kings" 22:25 < FacelessMe> Pretty sure it is Richard The Sequel, like all those movies 22:25 < Mori> yes, is definitely Richard The Sequel 22:25 < Andygal> ahahahaa 22:25 < Teceler> pft 22:25 < Mori> Richard Returns 22:25 < FacelessMe> Richard: Richard Harder 22:25 < Andygal> Followed by Richard III: Richard Strikes Back 22:26 < Mori> Richard IV: Age of Richard 22:26 < Andygal> Richard V: Son of Richard 22:26 < FacelessMe> Richard V: dial R for Revenge 22:27 < FacelessMe> VI* 22:32 < FacelessMe> Also, the dice have spoken! The young sibling will be bigender 22:33 < FacelessMe> on a context there they are expected to get on arranged marriage to produce children with an desirable set of powers 22:33 < FacelessMe> man, the dice are cruel 22:34 < Teceler> well, that probably makes them more likely to want to leave given the option? 22:34 < Mori> this is an excellently cruel result. carry on. 22:34 < FacelessMe> yup, but at same I am sort of picturing the granparent being more... nasty, in a subtle "you should behave like a lady" kind of way 22:35 < FacelessMe> and now I am trying to think if her old siblings know about this 22:35 -!- builder93720 has joined #backstage 22:36 -!- builder93720 has quit 22:37 * FacelessMe pokes at builder's command node 23:11 -!- builder93720 has joined #backstage 23:12 < builder93720> whose character is Edie (telepath)? 23:12 < FacelessMe> maggieoftheowls 23:12 < FacelessMe> she is the mpreg daughter of magneto 23:13 < builder93720> TMI. Do you think I can have maggie's gmail address to talk to her in gchat? 23:13 < FacelessMe> No idea, I talked through alicorn's forum 23:14 < FacelessMe> god, it has been nearly a month the last time we spoke o.o 23:21 < FacelessMe> Is my last post to builder with a vibe that says "angry, but not agressive"? 23:23 < builder93720> you're ignitethelight 23:23 < builder93720> ? 23:23 < FacelessMe> yup 23:23 < builder93720> Your last post to builder didn't even register as angry, more explanatory 23:24 < FacelessMe> huh, that is acceptable 23:24 < Mori> yeah, that's what I got too 23:26 < Andygal> that is also what I get. 23:32 < FacelessMe> now I vaguely regret not have insert a "lady, or insect drone, or whatever" before the explanation. 23:33 * FacelessMe shrugs 23:34 < Mori> okay, that would have been hilarious 23:35 < Mori> I am still snickering over "lady, you are some sort of weird force of nature" 23:38 < FacelessMe> xD 23:51 < FacelessMe> Sapphire still has her human form? 23:52 < Mori> yep. just hasn't come up yet -- she doesn't consider it particularly relevant. 23:52 < FacelessMe> I haven't watched the series yet, but I am given the impression that is completely in character 23:53 < Mori> pretty much. the series is a lot of fun, in a completely bizarre way. 23:53 < Mori> I don't know if it's become clear yet, but she does not care about human lives, like, at all. Only elements count, and people who are immortal + superpowers that she decides are "basically elements" 23:55 < FacelessMe> I was suspecting that she cares more about "elements" after what she said about builders, not sure how low humans rated 23:55 < Andygal> ... 23:56 < FacelessMe> Andygal? --- Day changed Thu Oct 29 2015 00:04 -!- Kel-tab has joined #backstage 00:04 < FacelessMe> hi kel 00:04 < Teceler> Kel! 00:04 < Teceler> [hug] 00:04 < Kel-tab> Hi! 00:04 < Kel-tab> Hug 00:05 * FacelessMe offers hug but isn't sure why 00:06 < Andygal> Kel! 00:07 < Kel-tab> Hey! 00:07 < Teceler> they were 'yay you're here I'm happy to see you' hugs. At least on my part. 00:07 < Kel-tab> Same 00:07 < FacelessMe> ah, lets pretend that is what I meant in the first place! 00:07 < Kel-tab> Also eeee friend hugs 00:07 < FacelessMe> xD 00:07 < Kel-tab> XD 00:07 < FacelessMe> [hugs?] 00:12 < Andygal> (hugs!) 00:12 < Kel-tab> How! 00:12 < Kel-tab> ... 00:13 < FacelessMe> hugsthat was auto-correct? 00:13 < Kel-tab> *Hugs 00:13 < Kel-tab> yeah 00:13 < FacelessMe> hugs,* 00:14 < FacelessMe> people that program autocorrect either have it too easy or too hard 00:15 < Kel-tab> Programming is hard 00:15 < Kel-tab> Autocorrect is predictive telepathy? 00:16 < FacelessMe> maybe it should be! 00:16 < FacelessMe> and the OTC should sell it 00:16 < Teceler> I mean 00:16 < Teceler> they probably have better mind-to-text stuff :P 00:18 < Kel-tab> Hee 00:19 < Kel-tab> But like. Autocorrect is trying to guess what you're actually thinking 00:19 < Kel-tab> And that is sorta telepathy? 00:19 < Andygal> unfortunately, based on some of the gaffs I've seen, it has a dirty mind. 00:20 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 00:20 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 00:20 < Kel-tab> Huh. According to the most common complaint I've heard, it is too non dirty, and likes to talk about ducking 00:21 < FacelessMe> hi again Sonata 00:21 <@Sonata> hi 00:21 < FacelessMe> and sometimes it dislikes "hugs" 00:23 < Teceler> it depends on whether it has profanity in its dictionary. which varies. 00:23 < Kel-tab> Hee 00:32 < FacelessMe> going to bed 00:32 < FacelessMe> o/ 00:32 < Teceler> sleep well 00:32 -!- FacelessMe is now known as FacelesSleep 00:32 < FacelesSleep> good night you all 00:33 < Kel-tab> Night 00:33 < Kel-tab> Sleep well 00:33 -!- builder93720 has quit 00:55 -!- Adelene1 has joined #backstage 00:55 -!- Kel-tab has quit 00:56 -!- Adelene has quit 01:02 -!- Adelene1 has quit 01:02 -!- Adelene has joined #backstage 01:02 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Adelene] by ChanServ 01:25 -!- Xom has joined #backstage 02:04 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 02:17 -!- Sonata has quit 02:50 -!- builder93720 has joined #backstage 02:51 < builder93720> has anyone seen evenstar 02:52 < Andygal> Not today. 02:52 * Teceler checks logs 02:52 < Teceler> I don't think she's been on today 02:52 < builder93720> She gchat'd me once like 4 hours ago 02:52 < builder93720> I replied and she was already gone 02:52 < builder93720> owell try tomorrow 02:52 -!- builder93720 has quit 03:03 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Asleep 03:50 -!- Mori has quit
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Post by Mother Starlight on Oct 30, 2015 17:34:59 GMT
05:21 -!- Andygal has quit 07:19 -!- FacelesSleep has quit 09:36 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 09:56 < Faceless> hi? 11:02 -!- Adelene has quit 11:02 -!- Adelene has joined #backstage 11:02 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Adelene] by ChanServ 11:23 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 11:23 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 11:26 < Faceless> hi? 11:28 <@Sonata> hi 11:35 -!- Faceless has quit 11:50 -!- FacelessTrip has joined #backstage 11:51 < FacelessTrip> Hi again, I am about to leave, but how are you fellow humans? 11:52 <@Sonata> I am good and almost certainly a human last I checked 11:55 < FacelessTrip> Yeah me too, specially the human part 12:01 -!- FacelessTrip has quit 13:01 -!- Teceler|Asleep is now known as Teceler 13:09 -!- Evenstar has joined #backstage 13:14 -!- Evenstar has quit 13:17 -!- Teceler has quit 13:19 -!- Teceler has joined #backstage 13:26 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 16:22 < Andygal> ... 16:22 <@Sonata> ? 16:23 < Andygal> Just poking the chat. 16:30 < Teceler> is very quiet 16:57 -!- MTC has quit 20:10 -!- Facelessonix has joined #backstage 20:10 < Facelessonix> Hi 20:10 < Andygal> Hi. 20:11 < Teceler> hello 20:13 < Facelessonix> I am tempted to give quiet and shy Write it Down a boyfruend 20:13 < Facelessonix> That really likes 20:13 < Facelessonix> To mint takkarash 20:13 < Teceler> pft 20:14 < Facelessonix> But that sounds too much of a Bell thing 20:14 < Facelessonix> XD 20:14 < Andygal> XD 20:17 < Facelessonix> Elay prime commenting on forum: they are locked in the room for ours, I am glad that Amber can help him through the process she is such a steadfast friend! 20:18 < Andygal> pfffffthahaha 20:19 < Facelessonix> ^^ 20:19 < Facelessonix> For hours* 20:25 -!- Facelessonix has quit 20:27 -!- mr_trousers has joined #backstage 20:27 -!- mr_trousers is now known as FacelessTrip 20:27 < FacelessTrip> Hi again 20:28 < Andygal> Hi. 20:28 < Teceler> hello 20:28 < FacelessTrip> Love using the ipad for irc 20:29 < FacelessTrip> Anyway what you fine people are up to? 20:36 -!- FacelessTrip has quit --- Day changed Fri Oct 30 2015 00:01 -!- Sonata has quit 02:03 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Asleep 02:07 -!- MTC has joined #backstage
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Post by Mother Starlight on Oct 31, 2015 15:32:23 GMT
06:50 -!- Andygal has quit 09:40 -!- FacelessTrip has joined #backstage 09:40 < FacelessTrip> o/ 09:46 -!- FacelessTrip has quit 10:28 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 10:29 < Faceless> hi? 10:31 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 10:31 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 10:39 < Faceless> hi sonata 11:57 -!- Teceler|Asleep is now known as Teceler 12:51 -!- Faceless is now known as FacelessMe 13:10 < FacelessMe> anyone knows who Rahm is? 13:20 <@Sonata> dunno 13:23 < FacelessMe> he was a bit rude on the OTC thread 13:23 < FacelessMe> also, how many authors do we have around? 13:42 -!- FacelessMe has quit 14:07 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 14:36 -!- Sonata has quit 15:21 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 15:21 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 15:55 -!- Sonata has quit 15:59 -!- FacelessFrog has joined #backstage 16:01 < FacelessFrog> ping? 16:02 < Andygal> pong? 16:03 < FacelessFrog> ping! 16:03 < FacelessFrog> it took five minutes to get to channel, I was worried 16:04 < Andygal> (hugs needed?) 16:05 * FacelessFrog hugs 16:06 < FacelessFrog> albeit I am more... mildly annoyed than anything. 16:21 < FacelessFrog> anyone wants more confessions for FL? 16:37 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Away 16:59 -!- MTC has quit 17:19 -!- tecephone has joined #backstage 17:33 -!- tecephone has quit 17:33 -!- tecephone has joined #backstage 17:42 -!- tecephone has quit 18:49 < FacelessFrog> when wasa last time butcher was on? 18:49 < Andygal> I dunno. 18:53 -!- Mori has joined #backstage 19:31 -!- Mori has quit 19:37 -!- FacelessFrog has quit 19:49 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 19:49 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 20:24 -!- Sonata has quit 20:25 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 20:25 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 21:30 -!- Mortisha has joined #backstage 21:30 < Mortisha> o/ 21:30 -!- Mortisha is now known as FacelessDude 21:31 -!- Teceler|Away has quit 21:32 -!- Teceler|Away has joined #backstage 21:33 <@Adelene> o/ 21:34 -!- Teceler|Away is now known as Teceler 21:34 * Teceler eyes her internet puzzledly 21:37 <@Adelene> Tag, FacelessDude. 21:45 * Adelene peers at today's kobold hash experiment, goes 'huh'. 21:46 < FacelessDude> ops sorry, I was distracted reading 21:46 < FacelessDude> let me look at the tag 21:46 <@Adelene> s'ok 21:48 <@Adelene> (Today's kobold hash experiment is misc. greens from the salad bar in place of herbs; chives appeared to be a bad idea but then all of a sudden stopped smelling nearly so obnoxious.) 21:54 < FacelessDude> tag 21:55 < FacelessDude> hash is a common kobold dish? 21:56 <@Adelene> Mmhmm. 21:57 <@Adelene> It's more a technique than a dish, but yeah. 21:57 < FacelessDude> ? 21:59 <@Adelene> Like, the recipe is 'cut up a potato, add miscelaneous other things to it, bake'. There's some general types of things that should be incuded - fruit, greens, some kind of oil, some kind of crunchy protien (this means chopped nuts, for humans; kobolds more often use bugs, they're easier to get) but the only ingredient that's even close to required is the potato, and even that can be swapped out if need be. 22:01 < FacelessDude> ah, I see, sounds like a... class of food like soup 22:01 <@Adelene> mmhmm 22:04 <@Adelene> Today's was potato, dried cranberries, blueberries, spinach, chives, bean sprouts, carrots, and butter. Worked much better than it sounds like it would, though I'm probably not going to do sprouts again and I'm not sure the spinach is really pulling its weight either. 22:07 < FacelessDude> bean sprouts? 22:08 <@Adelene> ...I think that's what those are? *pokes google* 22:09 <@Adelene> hm, no. something vaguely like that, though. 22:11 <@Adelene> Alfalfa sprouts. (They're generally just called 'sprouts' here, so it's easy to get confused.) 22:16 < FacelessDude> ah, ok, that was a bit confusing and I assumed it was a translation problem xP 22:16 < FacelessDude> I wish blueberries are easier to get here 22:17 <@Adelene> *nod* 22:33 <@Adelene> tag 22:35 < FacelessDude> I really need better icons for Franklyn xP 22:39 < FacelessDude> tag 22:47 -!- Mori has joined #backstage 22:50 <@Adelene> Hm. Faceless, is there anything you have in mind here? I'm vaguely inclined to have her pull some sort of project from her tribe's supplies to work on, but she could just as easily let Franklyn suggest something. 22:51 <@Adelene> (also, hi Mori.) 22:55 < Mori> Hi guys! 22:55 < FacelessDude> I was thinking in introducing her to the wonders of technology and science, but maybe... writing instead?dunno >.> 22:56 < FacelessDude> hi mori 22:56 <@Adelene> She's really too intimidated right now for that to go well. Which is part of why I'm thinking have her work on a project, it'll give her a chance to settle down some. 22:59 < FacelessDude> that is alright, the teleporter they have is sort of... random enough that we can give them an arbitrary ammount of time waiting 23:06 < FacelessDude> Mori, I watched 25min of Sapphire and Steel so far 23:06 < FacelessDude> weird, but interesting 23:06 < Mori> FacelessDude I am very pleased with myself now 23:06 < FacelessDude> ^^ 23:07 < Mori> "weird, but interesting" pretty much sums it up honestly 23:08 * Adelene pokes at the kobold, hmms. 23:10 <@Adelene> (She's objecting to the project idea on the grounds that ignoring Franklyn like that is rude. Which, true. Hm.) 23:11 < FacelessDude> asking and tlaking about with franklyn is too intimidating? 23:11 < FacelessDude> why phones are intimidating? 23:13 <@Adelene> She parsed the offer as 'talk to some random person', which, no. And then random alarm sounds are something she'd rather not deal with just in general. 23:13 <@Adelene> Talking to Franklyn could happen but I don't think she suggests it. 23:18 < FacelessDude> if she doesn't have any offers he could talk to her, likely letting her to ask questions about his world. 23:18 <@Adelene> *nod* 23:19 <@Adelene> actually, hm. 23:19 < FacelessDude> ? 23:20 <@Adelene> sec 23:22 <@Adelene> tag 23:23 <@Adelene> Occurred to me she'd want to know more about what she's getting involved in here. 23:30 < Mori> I am having Many Thoughts about a potential world 23:30 < Mori> like, a giant mashup of as many shakespearean plays as I can pull off 23:31 < Mori> probably Hamlet actually gets a forum account 23:31 <@Adelene> Sounds interesting. 23:31 < Mori> after Macbeth has killed his father and married his mother, Hippolyta queen of the Amazons 23:32 < Mori> Adelene I hope so! :P We'll see. Plotting. 23:35 < FacelessDude> Where Oberon and Titania are in this adorable abomination? 23:36 < Mori> Titania is one of the Three Witches. Oberon is interfering in the love quadrangle of Hamlet, Ophelia, Cordelia, and Demetrius. 23:36 < Mori> I am having way too much fun with this. 23:40 < FacelessDude> tag, Adelene 23:47 <@Adelene> tag 23:49 < FacelessDude> Kobolds use the term "anti-magic" or something? 23:50 < FacelessDude> "Other of other of human?" means the other people involved? 23:50 <@Adelene> If he'd said anti-magic she'd've known what he was taking about, yeah; she doesn't know it works by making her seem to be illusionary. "Other of other of human" is the non-mages, but he could easily not get that. (She'll keep asking until he does, if she needs to.) 23:54 < FacelessDude> tag 23:55 < FacelessDude> Mori, I will never not stop thinking about SU while watching this, specially on the grounds of a fusion between Sapphire and Steel 23:56 < Mori> lol -- honestly that's a fantastic idea 23:57 -!- Sonata has left #backstage 23:57 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 23:57 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 23:58 <@Adelene> tag --- Day changed Sat Oct 31 2015 00:09 < FacelessDude> tag 00:12 <@Adelene> tag 00:16 < FacelessDude> do kobolds have gods and religion? 00:17 <@Adelene> Kobolds don't but the language she's speaking does have some words in that genre. 00:33 < FacelessDude> tag 00:33 < FacelessDude> My firefox has been temperamental lately 00:33 < FacelessDude> and I should go sleep 00:33 < FacelessDude> o/ 00:33 <@Adelene> Sleep well! 00:34 < Teceler> sleep well 00:34 < FacelessDude> good night 00:35 < Mori> Night! 00:35 < FacelessDude> Mori, you are wordswordswords? 00:35 < FacelessDude> nvm, I really should sleep 00:35 < FacelessDude> o/ 00:36 -!- FacelessDude has quit 00:37 < Mori> ...the answer was yes, for the record. 00:57 -!- Mori has quit 02:06 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 03:51 -!- Sonata has quit
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Post by Mother Starlight on Nov 2, 2015 0:14:39 GMT
06:21 -!- Andygal has quit 11:00 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 11:00 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 12:13 <@Sonata> Happy Halloween! 12:14 <@Sonata> I think it would be fun to have a character who goes to Narnia and takes the title "Daughter of Lilith" 14:58 -!- Sonata has quit 15:00 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 15:02 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 15:02 < Faceless> hi 15:03 < Andygal> Hi. 15:03 < Faceless> how are things? 15:04 < Andygal> Ok. 15:13 -!- Faceless is now known as FacelesShower 15:55 -!- FacelesShower is now known as FacelessHere 15:55 < FacelessHere> Mori is wordswordswords? 16:20 -!- MTC has quit 16:53 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 16:53 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 16:58 -!- FacelessHere has quit 17:45 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 17:47 < Faceless> ping? 17:47 < Teceler> pong 17:48 < Faceless> ping! 17:48 < Andygal> ding? 17:48 < Faceless> Hi again 17:49 < Faceless> are you trying to make me say "dong"? 17:50 < Andygal> Yes. 17:55 < Faceless> Hey, there are means of travel besides the QDS spells and being a summoned Daeva? 17:56 < Teceler> yes. 17:56 < Teceler> gate's the big one though 17:57 <@Sonata> I think there are alethic portals 17:57 <@Sonata> but those are usually pretty expensive 17:58 < Teceler> depends on the difference in metaphysics between the worlds, yeah. more significantly iirc they're really complicated 17:58 < Teceler> (intraworld alethic portals are cheaper though) 17:59 < Teceler> (I'm actually not positive on whether cross-Truth alethic portals work at all? I think yes but very expensively though yeah) 18:00 < Faceless> It would be too... disruptive to have a mean to create a permanent interworld portal network of some kind? 18:00 < Teceler> hm 18:00 < Teceler> if it could go to all worlds yes definitely 18:01 < Teceler> (basically there needs to at least be a built-in way for authors to veto it accessing their world) 18:02 < Faceless> it would be like the hittler sandbox, Fenris, Felix or any of the Dreamshapers (people with personal pocked dimensions) could create a portal to a world they are visiting 18:04 < Faceless> yeah, the veto thing is exactly what I was concerned, I suppose we could throw thaumatobabble at the problem 18:04 < Faceless> or (with further thaumatobabble) have the portals being non-permanent or extremely hard to make 18:04 < Faceless> thoughts? 18:04 < Faceless> (I am not married to the idea) 18:05 <@Adelene> So far that's been solved by making a particular world hard to target, rather than by limitng a particular travel method - works better for what we need it for. 18:05 < Faceless> (me and the idea are not even dating) 18:05 * Faceless nods 18:06 < Teceler> well, that and that some world are 'farther away' according to some various systems. or was that just proposed as an idea? 18:06 * Teceler doesn't quite remember 18:06 <@Adelene> I don't think anyone's done that yet, besides the Truths thing. But it'd work. 18:07 < Faceless> both "farther away" and "hard to target" could be at play which could lead to the universe being impossible to build a dreamshaper portal 18:08 < Faceless> it could result in nothing 18:08 < Faceless> alternatively it could also result in like... a completely separated instance of the pocket dimension, which would be a good selling product now that I think about it. 18:19 < Faceless> ? 18:20 < Faceless> probably going to drop the idea and see if Eva is interesting in alternative to demiplanes or something. 18:20 < Faceless> also wordswordswords is hilarious 18:55 <@Sonata> omg 18:56 <@Sonata> /txtspeak hamlet// 19:02 < Faceless> I know, right? xD 19:18 < Faceless> any of your americans doign something for halloween? 19:19 < Andygal> Just setting out a pumpkin and answering the door. 19:23 < Faceless> ping? 19:28 -!- Faceless has quit 19:51 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 19:52 < Faceless> hi again, 19:52 < Faceless> did I miss anything? 19:53 < Andygal> Nope. 19:56 -!- Faceless has quit 21:00 -!- FacelessWeen has joined #backstage 21:03 < FacelessWeen> hi once again, I love this connection 21:17 <@Adelene> o/ 21:18 * Adelene examines portalbold thread - can I get a little more detail on what face Franklyn is making there? 21:19 < FacelessWeen> huh, how to explain 21:20 < FacelessWeen> well, first he is usually smiling, I doubt his smilling faultered much when Lurker was around if at all before (he often gives a sort of apologetically smile or shy smile at negative times) 21:21 <@Adelene> *nod* 21:22 < FacelessWeen> then imagine his smile falling completely, his mouth a bit agape and downwards and he looking into space not seeing what is front of him, I think his body posture sort of loses a bit of its strenght a little 21:22 < FacelessWeen> I wouldn't say the entire thing last long, but contrast + kobold body language, generally tells that he isn't remembering fond times 21:22 <@Adelene> *nod* okay, that works. 21:26 <@Adelene> tag 21:34 < FacelessWeen> tag 21:34 < FacelessWeen> wants to know what happened to Franklyn? I think the whole thing makes Chelsea look nice. 21:37 <@Adelene> Might be interesting. Lurker's going to give him the opportunity to talk about it, anyway, up to you whether he actually takes it. 21:40 <@Adelene> tag 21:53 < FacelessWeen> tag 21:59 -!- FacelessWeen has quit 22:03 -!- FacelessWeen has joined #backstage 22:03 < FacelessWeen> hi again 22:04 <@Adelene> o/ 22:04 <@Adelene> tag 22:11 < FacelessWeen> tag 22:15 <@Adelene> tag 22:22 < FacelessWeen> tag 22:22 < FacelessWeen> lurker is the adorabs ^^ 22:25 <@Adelene> ^^ 22:32 <@Adelene> (bleh, I'm having trouble doing Lurkerspeak for the thing she wants to say here. might be a while before I have a tag for you.) 22:33 < FacelessWeen> no worries 22:35 < FacelessWeen> I realized something 22:35 <@Adelene> mm? 22:36 < FacelessWeen> you just need level 1 of friend to unlock Franklyn's tragic backstory 22:36 < FacelessWeen> ^ ^ 22:36 < Andygal> ... 22:36 <@Adelene> *giggle* 23:17 -!- Mori has joined #backstage 23:17 < FacelessWeen> hi Mori o/ 23:18 < Mori> Hi! :D 23:19 < FacelessWeen> are you the author of wordswordswords? 23:20 < Mori> Yep. 23:20 < FacelessWeen> good job! o/ 23:20 < Andygal> :) 23:20 < Mori> Ah, thank you! 23:25 <@Adelene> Tag, Faceless - ended up not getting into the tigerfolk stuff like I was trying to before. 23:31 <@Adelene> oh noooo this is so cuuuute http://madeofpatterns.tumblr.com/post/132309284697/ithurts-to-become-deactivate-my-face 23:32 < Mori> awwwwwwwww 23:33 < Andygal> it is no longer the time of trick or treaters. It is now the time of obnoxious fireworks. 23:33 < Mori> oh did anyone else dress up for hallowe'en? I was Tony Stark and it was awesome! 23:33 < Andygal> Nope. 23:35 < FacelessWeen> Adelene, tomorrow I answer that, and that link is extremely cute 23:35 <@Adelene> ok 23:36 < Andygal> Yes it is extremely cute. 23:36 < FacelessWeen> Mori, great halloween costume idea xD 23:36 < FacelessWeen> Andygal good luck with the fireworks things 23:36 < FacelessWeen> I have to go sleep 23:36 < FacelessWeen> good night people o/ 23:36 < Andygal> goodnight Faceless. 23:37 <@Adelene> Sleep well! 23:37 < FacelessWeen> thanks o/ 23:39 -!- FacelessWeen has quit 23:42 -!- Mori has quit 23:43 -!- Mori has joined #backstage --- Day changed Sun Nov 01 2015 00:31 -!- Sonata has quit 01:34 -!- Mori has quit 01:03 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 01:29 <@Adelene> Y'know what's really weird? Taking cooking advice from a character in your head about foods you've never eaten. 01:29 < Andygal> what now? 01:31 <@Adelene> Kobold trail food: A butternut squash; the top bit is cubed and roasted for breakfast and the bottom bit is used to soak grains in for lunch. 01:32 <@Adelene> Apparently it's also a good idea to add ... shalots, I think, googling? Some sort of small onion, anyway, to the grain thing. 01:32 <@Adelene> Or pearl onions. Or whatever is handy along those lines. 02:01 <@Adelene> *pokes at the internet* hmmmm. I can get a stone-bladed knife for under $10. I'm actually pretty tempted, just to see what using one is like in practice. 03:19 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Asleep
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Post by Mother Starlight on Nov 2, 2015 15:32:22 GMT
06:49 -!- Andygal has quit 09:04 -!- Facemore has joined #backstage 09:24 < Facemore> ping? 09:37 -!- Facemore has quit 10:19 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 10:19 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 10:28 -!- FacelessName has joined #backstage 10:29 < FacelessName> hello o/ 10:31 < FacelessName> Adelene, tag 10:40 <@Sonata> hello 10:45 -!- FacelessName is now known as FacelessFood 10:49 -!- FacelessFood has quit 11:19 -!- FacelessFrog has joined #backstage 11:20 < FacelessFrog> hi again 11:20 <@Sonata> wb 11:24 < FacelessFrog> the food was good ^^ 11:24 < FacelessFrog> how was halloween to you? 11:34 <@Sonata> chocolatey 11:37 -!- Teceler|Asleep is now known as Teceler 11:49 < FacelessFrog> that is a good halloween adjective ^_^ 14:55 -!- FacelessFrog has quit 16:10 -!- MTC has quit 19:48 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 19:58 < Faceless> ping? 19:59 <@Adelene> o/ 20:04 <@Adelene> tag 20:04 < Faceless> hi 20:04 < Faceless> ok, have to get dinner first >.> 20:04 <@Adelene> *nod* 20:22 < Faceless> tag 20:24 <@Adelene> tag 20:26 < Faceless> if Franklyn's power tells him about tigerpeople? Some is there specific relevant information? I think Franklyn gets enough that he might shudder involuntarily 20:26 < Faceless> albeit *I* only know that they should be bad news on the default that everyone is bad news to kobolds 20:30 <@Adelene> That's what she's asking, yeah. 20:30 <@Adelene> They're not /that/ bad of news, but they don't think kobolds are people, and they're bigger and somewhat agressive. 20:31 < Faceless> yeah, he totally gets that, and my previous shudder thing is totally relevant, specialy given other details of the mind-magic person 20:32 <@Adelene> *nod* 20:34 < Faceless> tag 20:38 -!- Evenstar has joined #backstage 20:38 < Evenstar> After reading T'mir + HIVERs I am seized with a sudden wondering 20:39 < Evenstar> What would it look like if T'mir met the universe of EVE Online? 20:40 < Faceless> Good question, I have no idea because I don't know that game, but good question 20:40 < Faceless> also, hi Evenstar o/ 20:40 < Evenstar> Faceless: o/ 20:40 < Teceler> hello Evenstar 20:40 < Evenstar> Okay, to give you an idea of EVE Online's general circumstances & tone 20:41 < Evenstar> EVE's backstory is that a stable wormhole naturally occurred close to earth. There were colonizable planets on the other side (by some stroke of luck) 20:42 < Evenstar> A large colony was founded on the other side and was approaching plausible sustainability, when.... Suddenly, no more wormhole. 20:43 < Faceless> *nods* 20:43 < Evenstar> EVE is the story of what happened to that colony. Long story short: Fragmented into four warring factions, barely held in peace by the existence of a policing body with a decently-sized superweapon. 20:43 < Evenstar> 'Capsuleers' are invented. 20:44 < Evenstar> Capsuleers are originally-human infomorphs who wear a succession of cloned bodies. They can have skills downloaded into their mind at accelerated speeds and can pilot ships much more efficiently than most, 20:45 < Evenstar> Also, they're immortal so long as their cloning facilities aren't compromised. 20:46 < Evenstar> Capsuleers rapidly become an elite everywhere. Many of them stop caring about their own empires, fuck off into the black, and start building their own empires. 20:46 < Faceless> that is before or after the wormhole collapse? 20:46 < Evenstar> After, by quite a bit. 20:46 < Evenstar> The trouble is, Capsuleers have no effective governing body whatsoever. 20:48 < Evenstar> It's really hard to coerce the extremely rich immortal ship captains who can just go to your opposition. CONCORD (superweapon-police) enforce order in the core systems by virtue of very short response times, but... 20:48 < Evenstar> Capsuleers basically never become subject to everyday laws, because they can just kill themselves and respawn elsewhere. 20:49 < Evenstar> (And cloning banks are widespread enough to make it difficult to put them all down - especially since many of them are now Capsuleer-owned.) 20:50 < Evenstar> So: in the Core Worlds, you are unlikely to run afoul of a Capsuleer unless you have personally offended them. 20:50 < Evenstar> On the fringes of civilized space, you are likely to be attacked by Capsuleer pirates. 20:50 <@Adelene> tag, faceless 20:51 < Evenstar> Outside CONCORD's sphere of influence, you're on your own. The system is ruled by whoever can enforce sovereignty. 20:51 < Evenstar> And the vast majority of Capsuleer nations do not appreciate having random space captains in their territory. 20:52 < Faceless> oooh, that is like, the anti-federation 20:53 < Evenstar> Yeah, it's a libertarian paradise/dystopia. Let me tell you about one of the major outside-the-empire nation-organizations. 20:53 < Faceless> yes please 20:54 < Evenstar> They're called SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSOLO, which I will abbreviate to SDR. 20:55 < Evenstar> SDR is an organization that's founded around core values that can be summarized as 'screw everyone that isn't us.' 20:56 < Evenstar> SDR only ever recruits from individuals that have been carefully vetted over a period of years by existing members. If you are not aware of this, they will gouge you for 'entrance fees' and then desert you. 20:58 < Evenstar> SDR actively teaches its members to scam and grift as a way to generate fast cash. It sponsors an event known as 'hulkageddon', which is essentially a ludicrously high value bounty competition to disrupt asteroid mining operations in CONCORD space. 20:59 < Evenstar> The Capsuleers who destroy the most 'Hulks', the highest-power mining ship, are rewarded with a ludicrously large prize. All attacking ships lost during the event are compensated to some degree by SDR. 21:00 < Evenstar> SDR uses these acts of blatant terrorism to draw press attention and promote their fearsome reputation. 21:01 <@Sonata> this game is awesome 21:01 < Evenstar> They characterize Capsuleers that operate within CONCORD's sphere of influence as cowards and weaklings. 21:02 < Evenstar> Note: This last opinion is shared by a majority of Capsuleers that operate outside CONCORD space. 21:02 < Faceless> the more I read the more I am picturing myself pushing Evenstar and Alicorn together and then whispering "glowfic this" 21:03 < Evenstar> SDR is effective as a nullsec empire due to the extremely strong bonds it perpetuates between its members- bonds it reinforces by uniting the rest of the galaxy against them as a scourge to be eliminated. 21:03 < Evenstar> However, this is not its only advantage. 21:04 < Evenstar> SDR gained much of its current power by being among the first of the Capsuleer empires to recognize the pivotal importance of good intelligence. 21:05 < Evenstar> One among them, known only as "The Mittani", is perhaps the best known and most widely respected power brokers and diplomats in all of the known galaxy. 21:06 < Evenstar> He has a certain sinister fame of his own: not only does he stand near the head of one of the most powerful corporations, he is also a political figure and advice columnist, writing about the insights that his position has given him. 21:07 < Evenstar> As a political figure, he sits on the Council of Stellar Management: as such, he is one of the few individuals that CONCORD turns to for advice regarding Capsuleer issues. 21:08 < Faceless> Adelene Tag 21:08 < Faceless> wait, internet is givinga hiccup u,u 21:09 < Evenstar> There is perhaps only one set of people who have more of a spymaster's legend than The Mittani. 21:09 < Faceless> ok went through 21:09 < Evenstar> They are known as the Guiding Hand Social Club. 21:10 < Evenstar> They were a mercenary organization that existed - briefly. I suspect that they still exist, but have merely shed the name: I would expect the Social Club to be a loose organization of people who closely knew each other. 21:11 < Faceless> Woah, that is turning out to be very complex 21:11 < Evenstar> The Guiding Hand only took one contract, to my knowledge. The way that they executed it is what made them a legend. 21:13 < Evenstar> Specifically, the Guiding Hand was hired by an anonymous employer with a personal vendetta. This employer wanted one thing very specifically: the corpse of Mirali, CEO of Ubiqua Seraph. 21:13 < Faceless> please do tell 21:14 <@Adelene> Tag, Faceless. 21:15 < Evenstar> At this time, Ubiqua Seraph was one of the ascendant corporations in the galaxy. They commanded vast fleets, irreplaceable vintage ships, and original blueprints for some of the most powerful vessels in the galaxy. 21:17 < Evenstar> The last was the true source of their power: you see, blueprints in the EVE galaxy are limited resources. Most Capsuleers have to make do with limited-run copies of blueprints, equivalent to shipbuilding licences. By holding the originals, Ubiquah essentially had patented some of huge most powerful weapons of war. 21:18 < Evenstar> However, Istvaan Shogatsu, head of the Guiding Hand, had plans for Ubiqua Seraph. 21:19 < Evenstar> His employer was paying him well, and he decided to overdeliver. 21:21 < Evenstar> Over a period of months, the Guiding Hand inserted agents into the power structure of Mirali's corporation, using people with clear employment histories and spotless references. 21:21 -!- Faceless has quit 21:21 < Evenstar> The most highly-placed of their operatives managed to ascend to deputy CEO (!!!) 21:23 < Evenstar> Then, at a silent command, all the agents struck simultaneously. Ubiquah Seraph ceased to exist overnight. All things of value it owned were stolen. The majority of its organizational structure vanished. Mirali was killed and her corpse delivered to the client as promised. All told, the value of the destroyed and seized assets came to 30 billion ISK. 21:26 < Evenstar> (This was roughly equivalent to 16,500 US Dollars, according to the conversion rates at the time. In the world of EVE - well, it was as if the country of Germany had suddenly been plundered to its roots by a gang of criminals.) 21:29 < Evenstar> Here is the press release that the GHSC released to commemorate their great and villainous achievement. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadid=172529 21:31 * Adelene notes that Faceless is gone. 21:31 * Evenstar was posting for Sonata and the log's benefit. Also she does have a tendency to ramble on. >.> 21:32 <@Adelene> *chuckle* s'ok, I don't mind, just, I'm not actually paying significant attention here. 21:33 -!- FacelessTrip has joined #backstage 21:34 * Evenstar waves at Faceless 21:34 < FacelessTrip> connection is being hprrible, not sure how long I will stay 21:35 * FacelessTrip waves back 21:35 < Evenstar> Would you like logs? 21:36 < FacelessTrip> I will check tomorrow, but I was enjoying the story so far 21:36 < FacelessTrip> I would like the social club contract if you dont mind 21:36 < Evenstar> Okay! 21:39 < FacelessTrip> Cool 21:45 < FacelessTrip> I what is a head full pf +4? 21:47 < Evenstar> Ah, clones can have cybernetics implanted. 21:48 < Evenstar> High-modifier cybernetics are extremely costly but worth the price. 21:48 < Evenstar> If your clone is destroyed, well... Your new body isn't going to have those cybernetics. 21:51 < FacelessTrip> Fair point 21:51 * Adelene nudges Faceless. 21:53 -!- FacelessTrip has quit 22:03 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 22:03 < Faceless> Tag, adelene 22:03 < Faceless> What did I miss? 22:05 < Evenstar> Nothing really 22:06 < Faceless> Ok. Eve online sounds like an interesting universe 22:11 -!- Evenstar has quit 22:13 <@Adelene> tag, faceless 22:15 -!- Faceless has quit 22:17 -!- FacelessTrip has joined #backstage 22:19 < FacelessTrip> Yay for thisconnection 22:21 <@Adelene> phbbbbt ^^ 22:21 < FacelessTrip> Phbbbt? 22:21 <@Adelene> (ze tag, it iz yourz) 22:22 <@Adelene> phbbbbt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZvD47bMMFY 22:23 < FacelessTrip> Where should we proceed from here? 22:24 <@Adelene> Lurker still wants to know more about the local situation, but isn't going to poke Franklyn about it any more since it's Sad. 22:25 <@Adelene> So probably the next interesting thing is the teleporter showing up - she /could/ explore the house a little first now, but she's not very inclined. 22:28 < FacelessTrip> Do you want to have her wait and then Franklyn show the rest of the house? Or have Franklyn check a note and thus introduce Lurker to the concept of reading? 22:30 <@Adelene> Either of those could happen, sure. 22:34 < FacelessTrip> Tag 22:46 <@Adelene> tag 22:55 -!- FacelessTrip has quit 23:02 -!- Sonata has quit 23:07 -!- FacelessTrip has joined #backstage 23:07 < FacelessTrip> Hi yet again 23:13 <@Adelene> o/ 23:14 < FacelessTrip> I want to choke the lights out of this connection/tablet 23:15 <@Adelene> *nod* 23:19 -!- FacelessTrip has quit 23:22 -!- FacelesSleep has joined #backstage 23:22 < FacelesSleep> Just got in to say good night o/ 23:24 <@Adelene> Sleep well! 23:24 < Teceler> sleep well 23:26 < FacelesSleep> ^_^ 23:26 < FacelesSleep> Bye o/ 23:26 -!- FacelesSleep has quit --- Day changed Mon Nov 02 2015 01:03 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 01:35 -!- Adelene1 has joined #backstage 01:37 -!- Adelene has quit 02:40 -!- Adelene1 has quit 02:40 -!- Adelene has joined #backstage 02:40 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Adelene] by ChanServ 02:57 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Asleep
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Post by Mother Starlight on Nov 3, 2015 17:51:14 GMT
10:33 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 10:33 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 10:42 -!- sonatagreen has joined #backstage 10:42 -!- sonatagreen has quit 10:43 -!- Sonata has quit 10:43 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 10:43 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 11:45 -!- Teceler|Asleep is now known as Teceler 12:58 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 15:21 -!- FacelessHere has joined #backstage 15:23 < FacelessHere> hi 15:26 <@Adelene> o/ 15:26 < FacelessHere> how are things? 15:27 <@Adelene> Today in 'awake characters are weird', Quinnbold has decided to adopt an egg. I am of the opinion that this is an uncharacteristically bad idea, but she's adamant. *chuckle* 15:28 < FacelessHere> I thought that kobolds are like, super communal about that kind of stuff 15:31 <@Adelene> Yup, she definitely wouldn't do that without a tribe behind her. 15:32 <@Adelene> (Also they do specialize to the degree that there are people whose main focus is raising kids, but that's an 'anyone who has an egg and doesn't want to raise it can let them take it' thing, not a 'nobody else is allowed to raise kids' thing.) 15:38 < FacelessHere> ah, I see 15:38 < FacelessHere> why do you think it would result in some sort of failure? 15:40 <@Adelene> Like, it's kind of risky for the baby, her bringing them to Quinn and all. Not /horribly/ so, but quite a few things could go wrong with that. 15:40 <@Adelene> I think this comes down to her having different ideas of acceptable levels and types of risk and risk management than I do, mostly. 15:46 < Andygal> it does have the potential to explode horribly, what is her reasoning for adopting an egg and bringing it to Quinn, or should I just atch up on the thread? 15:46 < FacelessHere> huh, I see what you mean, despite on the meta-level thinking it will turn out alright 15:48 <@Adelene> The thought is that a kobold who's grown up in a cross-cultural situation might be better at helping with the cross-cultural issues in her world, mostly. Having an opportunity to do that relatively safely is /very/ new. 15:48 < Andygal> Ah, does make some sense. 15:50 < FacelessHere> yeah, that does improves the sensibility of the situation 15:51 < FacelessHere> considerably 15:51 < Andygal> although adopting an egg for that purpose does have the disadvantage that there is no way to evaluate the suitability of the resulting kid for that role. 15:51 <@Adelene> *nod* 15:52 * FacelessHere FacelessBusy 15:52 < FacelessHere> ops 15:52 -!- FacelessHere is now known as FacelessBusy 15:52 < FacelessBusy> yeah, albeit there is the counter that the average kobold kid might be too scared of the idea? 15:52 <@Adelene> the thought process there is that in /any/ case it's going to be up to the kid how and whether they actually want to take on the project, so it's not actually that important to find someone who can handle the strain. 15:54 < Andygal> well I suppose you could try to evaluate it based on the biological parent's personality (using singlar because I get the feeling kobolds do not do commited relationships and it might be impossible to tell who the other parent was). 15:56 <@Adelene> Some kobolds do committed relationships. Actually the majority, I think, though not a completely overwhelming one. But in this particular case she has no idea who laid this egg and would have trouble getting ahold of an egg she did know that about without seriously upsetting someone. 15:56 < Andygal> Ah. 16:04 -!- MTC has quit 16:11 < Teceler> very Failbetter. such delicious words. "Good secrets are like corpses dumped into the river: once they surface, they draw the attention of inconvenient authorities and wheedling pests" 16:34 -!- tecephone has joined #backstage 16:51 -!- tecephone has quit 16:54 -!- Sonata has quit 17:08 -!- tecephone has joined #backstage 17:13 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 17:13 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 17:41 -!- tecephone2 has joined #backstage 17:43 -!- tecephone has quit 17:54 -!- FacelessBusy is now known as FacelessMe 17:54 < FacelessMe> hi 17:55 -!- tecephone2 has quit 17:56 <@Adelene> o/ 17:57 < FacelessMe> \o 17:58 < FacelessMe> Note to self: Never again write a character that would write long lists of anything unless I can abridge the hell out of it. 17:58 < Teceler> um. maybe 'attach' it? 18:00 < FacelessMe> there is somethings that I wanted to write it down for the forum's benefit, but yeah, a good idea too 18:57 -!- FacelessMe has quit 18:59 -!- Teceler has quit 19:01 -!- Teceler has joined #backstage 20:07 -!- FacelessFrog has joined #backstage 20:08 < FacelessFrog> hi 20:08 < FacelessFrog> I disconnected and didnt notice, did I miss anything ? 21:34 < Andygal> Nope. 21:38 < FacelessFrog> figures 22:15 -!- FacelessFrog has quit 23:27 -!- Sonata has quit --- Day changed Tue Nov 03 2015 00:50 -!- rockeye has joined #backstage 00:50 < rockeye> is bored 00:54 < Andygal> Hi. 00:54 * Andygal is not good company at the moment, probably. 00:55 * Adelene is here, for whatever that's worth. 00:58 * Teceler is here, but planning on going to get some sleep pretty soon 00:59 < Andygal> I want to talk to somebody but I don't want to be depressing. 00:59 < Teceler> Andygal: [hug if wanted] 01:00 < Andygal> [hug] 01:03 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 01:15 -!- Xom has quit 01:17 < rockeye> Hi andygal 01:18 < Andygal> Hi. 01:19 < rockeye> What's so depressing 01:21 < Andygal> my nana died tonight. 01:21 <@Adelene> *hug* 01:22 < Teceler> [hug] 01:23 < rockeye> :( 01:23 < rockeye> [does not hug, but expresses sympathy anyway] 01:23 < rockeye> My dog is on his way out... 01:24 < rockeye> He's on four kinds of pills... 01:24 < rockeye> I don't know why I'm saying this 01:25 < Teceler> [sympathy] 01:26 < Andygal> Thanks guys. 01:26 < Andygal> She's been on her way out with lung cancer for a while, but I didn't expect it tonight. 01:35 * rockeye contemplates the universe 01:36 -!- rockeye has quit 02:08 < Teceler> mm. 02:08 < Teceler> good night all 02:08 <@Adelene> Sleep well. 02:08 < Teceler> Andygal: [belatedly, more hugs] 02:08 < Teceler> thanks 02:09 < Andygal> goodnight Teceler, sleep well. 02:09 < Teceler> (my brain is already confused enough about sleep schedules daylight savings is not really helping) 02:09 < Teceler> thanks 02:10 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Asleep
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Post by Mother Starlight on Nov 4, 2015 20:35:05 GMT
06:51 -!- Andygal has quit 09:10 -!- FacelessGame has joined #backstage 09:20 < FacelessGame> o/ 09:43 -!- Adelene has quit 11:19 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 11:19 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 11:41 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 11:47 -!- Adelene has joined #backstage 11:47 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Adelene] by ChanServ 12:50 -!- Xom has joined #backstage 13:01 -!- Teceler|Asleep is now known as Teceler 13:21 < Andygal> Hello. 13:21 < Teceler> hello 13:22 < FacelessGame> hello 13:28 < Andygal> sup? 13:29 < FacelessGame> things are fine, and you? 13:29 < Andygal> I'm holding up OK. 13:39 < Teceler> [hug if wanted] 13:39 < Andygal> thanks. 13:39 * FacelessGame also offers hugs 13:40 -!- FacelessGame is now known as FacelessJust 14:23 -!- FacelessJust has quit 14:25 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Away 15:35 -!- Sonata has quit 16:03 -!- MTC has quit 16:35 -!- Xom has quit 16:35 -!- Xom has joined #backstage 17:11 -!- FacelessFrog has joined #backstage 17:11 < FacelessFrog> o/ 17:11 < Andygal> Hi. 17:11 -!- Teceler|Away is now known as Teceler 17:12 < FacelessFrog> hi 17:12 < Teceler> hi 17:21 < FacelessFrog> I have two plot bunnies of sorts, not sure which to focus on or to use birth control help? >.> 18:09 -!- Xom has quit 18:18 < FacelessFrog> ping? 18:19 < Andygal> pong? 18:20 < FacelessFrog> hi again 18:20 < FacelessFrog> busy? 18:20 < Andygal> distracted mostly. 18:21 < FacelessFrog> It happens 18:40 -!- Xom has joined #backstage 18:43 < FacelessFrog> hi again Xom 18:43 < Xom> yeah hi i'm currently using a usb tether with my phone because a cat peed on the cable modem 18:44 < Andygal> Blech. 18:45 < FacelessFrog> urgh, sorry for that 19:36 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 19:36 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 19:42 -!- FacelessFrog has quit 20:01 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 20:01 < Faceless> hi again 20:01 < Faceless> what did I miss? 20:16 <@Sonata> nothing I think 20:16 <@Sonata> wb 20:49 < Faceless> a superlate thanks 20:50 < Faceless> got distract with the phone catching up with a friend, sorry 20:50 <@Sonata> np 20:50 < Faceless> and now I forgot why I was on the pc again, that is always great 20:50 <@Sonata> wheee 20:51 < Faceless> xD 21:47 -!- Xom has quit 22:07 -!- Faceless has quit 23:07 -!- Sonata has quit --- Day changed Wed Nov 04 2015 01:02 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 01:14 -!- Xom has joined #backstage 02:06 -!- Xom has quit 02:46 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Asleep
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Post by Mother Starlight on Nov 5, 2015 15:33:56 GMT
06:08 -!- Andygal has quit 08:41 -!- FacelessDude has joined #backstage 08:51 < FacelessDude> o/ 09:27 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 09:27 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 10:41 -!- Adelene has quit 11:50 -!- Sonata has quit 11:59 -!- Adelene has joined #backstage 11:59 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Adelene] by ChanServ 12:22 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 12:22 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 13:11 -!- Teceler|Asleep is now known as Teceler 14:47 -!- Teceler has quit 14:57 -!- FacelessDude has quit 15:01 -!- Teceler has joined #backstage 15:02 < Teceler> ...okay that was weird 15:07 -!- Xom has joined #backstage 16:02 -!- MTC has quit 16:24 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 16:26 < Faceless> Salutations 17:11 <@Sonata> hi 17:15 < Faceless> hi 18:30 -!- Xom has quit 19:16 * Faceless pokes chat 19:16 * Teceler is poked 19:16 < Teceler> ow 19:16 < Faceless> sorry, that was stronger than I was meaning to 19:17 < Teceler> poking (reason for) = ? 19:18 < Faceless> mostly being bored >.> 19:18 < Teceler> ah 19:19 < Faceless> albeit I am assuming people are busy 19:24 < Teceler> distracted yeah 19:24 < Faceless> It happens 19:25 < Faceless> hopefully it is good distracted 19:25 * Teceler shrugs. 19:25 < Teceler> neutral-ish 19:35 < Faceless> huh 19:35 < Teceler> hm? 19:36 < Faceless> nah, I didn't have much to add, or at least don't know how to continue the conversation unless it was through introducing a new topic 19:36 < Teceler> if you have one in mind, go for it? 19:37 < Faceless> hmm... I watched the supergirl pilot today, felt they made an anvilicious deal out of the whole "female super-hero show" but Kara is adorable <3 19:42 < Teceler> well, that's good at least? (the latter part) 19:42 < Faceless> at least no laser was frozen 19:43 < Faceless> laser as in the light, which is what happened on Flash a couple of weeks ago 19:43 < Faceless> but yeah, Kara is like a kriptonian gold retriever puppy 19:43 < Teceler> ...how 19:44 < Faceless> SCIENCE! 19:44 < Teceler> but 19:44 < Faceless> ...is a foreign thing to whoever writes this stuff 19:44 < Teceler> light 19:45 < Faceless> It was the moment I decided that I couldn't get mad at the show, I mean either I stopped watched it or just accepted that the people behind the scenes know less than a middle schooler 19:45 < Teceler> pft 19:45 < Teceler> or they just thought it looked cool, to hell with science 19:45 < Teceler> but 19:46 < Faceless> if you want the exact context: Captain cold needed to walk through one of those laser alarm things, so he used his cold gun and the laser rays turned to ice mid-air and then fell 19:46 < Faceless> at least the resulting ice wasn't glowing red, I take the little victories 19:47 < Teceler> also shouldn't that have set off the alarm 19:48 < Faceless> likely 19:49 < Faceless> I didn't really though about it, I mean, is not like I am trying to desconstruct the scene any further 19:49 < Teceler> sorrry 19:49 < Faceless> ? 19:49 < Faceless> no need to apologize at all 19:51 < Faceless> but yeah, the scene made no sense, and I still watching the show afterwards, so the way is just deal 19:52 < Faceless> I am vaguely more hopeful towards Supergirl, since the villains aren't as likely to need technobabble for their powers 19:58 * Teceler nods. 20:01 < Faceless> and now I thinking again about adding Cisco (From Flash, he is another golden retriever pup) to the forum, but better not 20:10 -!- Xom has joined #backstage 20:19 < Teceler> hey Xom 20:19 < Xom> hey 20:24 < Faceless> hey xom 20:24 < Faceless> Xom, who do you play as again? 20:24 < Xom> hey 20:24 -!- Xom is now known as Demo 20:25 < Demo> I play Viridian et al, Xom et al 20:25 < Demo> Or I did a long time ago 20:25 < Faceless> you have been too busy? 20:25 < Demo> busy, trivially inconvenienced by having to catch up 20:26 < Faceless> know the feeling 20:26 < Demo> the forum setting doesn't help with catching up feeling weird 20:27 < Faceless> I double know the feeling. 20:27 < Demo> but yeah recently i've been too busy to even do arkham stuff 20:27 < Faceless> [hugs?] 20:27 < Demo> [hugs] 20:27 * Teceler also offers hugs. 20:28 * Demo completely refuses to -- ah who am I kidding 20:28 * Demo accepts hugs 20:29 < Demo> so yeah i've been leaving this on my idle username of xom so that i can pop in randomly 20:29 < Demo> and at least talk to the people backstage 20:31 -!- Demo is now known as Xom 20:31 < Faceless> you are welcome to do so 20:31 < Faceless> Xom is the god from a game, right? 20:31 < Xom> Yeah 20:31 < Xom> dungeon crawl stone soup 20:31 < Faceless> (we really need to make an effort to update this kind stuff on the wiki) 20:31 < Xom> along with Elyvilon and the others 20:32 < Xom> only Xom and Ely ever made accounts which is probably good considering how many of the gods in that game are racist assholes 20:33 < Faceless> real racist or fantastic racist? 20:34 < Xom> fantasy racism 20:34 < Xom> the most obvious one being beogh, the god of orcs 20:34 < Xom> but zin is also kinda rude 20:35 < Xom> and so on 20:36 < Faceless> pfft 20:36 < Xom> of course you probably shouldn't believe anything i say about zin 20:36 < Xom> since everyone says i'm his evil twin and all that 20:36 < Faceless> I have to set up with eva to IC specify that Ignite The Light is a god, so he can poke the other forum gods with a short stick 20:37 < Faceless> You aren't his evil twin and all that? 20:37 < Xom> clearly he's my evil twin and i'm the good twin 20:39 < Faceless> unless the plot twist is that you are both the good twin! 20:39 < Xom> since he's terribly racist against anything he considers unclean and i just play a few jokes 20:39 < Xom> (spoilers it's probably that we're both actually the evil twin) 20:40 < Xom> but yeah zin gets to hang out with ely and TSO at the 'good' gods table 20:40 < Faceless> (the game is free?) 20:40 < Xom> yeah 20:41 < Faceless> the good gods and evil gods eat in the same room? 20:41 < Xom> we don't actually eat, silly 20:41 < Xom> it's a metaphor 20:42 < Faceless> ah, ofc 20:43 < Xom> https://crawl.develz.org/ btw 20:43 < Xom> download it or play it on a webtiles and/or telnet server if you want 20:43 < Faceless> huh, maybe, but I am have been focusing on Terraria lately 20:43 < Faceless> SLAYED THET WINS TODAY 20:44 < Faceless> THE TWINS* 20:51 < Faceless> Do you have any sort of plans for Xom, Zin, Ely, etc? 20:51 < Xom> nope 20:53 < Faceless> "A new plaything!" 20:53 < Faceless> that is what I want to hear first thing from a god page 20:54 < Xom> heheheh 20:59 < Faceless> man this game is meant to be complicated? 21:01 < Xom> it's actually simple compared to most games in its genre 21:01 < Xom> at least in terms of what you have to actually think about 21:02 < Xom> number one priority is combat: killing hostile creatures before they kill you 21:03 < Xom> it's not like nethack where you're just as likely to die from tripping on the stairs as from actual combat 21:04 < Faceless> o.ô 21:05 < Faceless> that is an mechanic that people actually though they should add? 21:05 < Teceler> well 21:05 < Teceler> tripping on the stairs is not actually likely to kill you unless 21:05 < Teceler> ...um, there's a long list 21:05 < Xom> unless you're carrying a cockatrice corpse or something, yeah 21:05 < Teceler> yeah 21:06 < Teceler> um, but I also meant the tripping doesn't even come up unless you're carrying too much, etc. 21:06 < Faceless> why a cockatrice corpse in specific? 21:06 < Faceless> or you just meant a heavy thing? 21:06 < Teceler> they petrify you if you touch them 21:07 < Teceler> is why 21:07 < Xom> cockatrices petrify you if you touch them, this property persists after death 21:07 < Faceless> pft 21:07 < Xom> you'd be carrying one with gloves on if you wanted to exploit this 21:07 < Faceless> okay, that sounds hilarious xD 21:08 < Xom> but then you'd trip and fall and it'd hit your face 21:08 < Faceless> covering it with a tarp or breaking a piece is not a tactical option? 21:08 < Teceler> I mean 21:08 < Teceler> yes but then you can't use it XD 21:09 < Teceler> --other ways you can get petrified by a corpse is moving around while blinded 21:09 < Faceless> Dunno, take a piece of the cockatrice, put it on a spear and you can have the amazing "Shody Cockatrice on a stick"" 21:11 < Xom> point is, in crawl stone soup pretty much the only things that can kill you are combat and hunger 21:12 < Teceler> meh, topicality 21:12 < Teceler> :P 21:12 < Xom> or accidental damage shortly after barely escaping from combat 21:12 < Xom> but that's really the combat's fault 21:15 < Faceless> and xom heavy playing with you too? 21:16 < Xom> isn't likely to kill you unless you're in danger anyway 21:17 < Faceless> you are a suspicious source 21:18 < Xom> protip: corpses or chunks of corpses that have purple item names are good for you 21:18 < Xom> they'll give you superpowers 21:18 < Xom> everyone likes superpowers, right? 21:19 < Xom> *note: 'superpowers' includes potentially detrimental mutations 21:19 < Faceless> except super-heroes that are super-emos about their super-lives? 21:19 < Teceler> I mean 21:19 < Teceler> really awful superpowers exist 21:20 < Xom> protip: always quaff potions of mutation 21:24 < Faceless> potions of mutation? 21:24 < Faceless> also what is quaff? 21:25 < Xom> 'to drink' 21:25 < Xom> it's the word roguelikes usually use for drinking things, especially potions 21:25 < Xom> this is because it has a unique/almost unique starting letter 21:25 < Xom> so you can remember to press q to quaff 21:26 < Xom> potions of mutation give and/or remove mutations at random 21:26 < Faceless> huh 21:26 < Xom> potions of cure mutation just remove random mutations, potions of beneficial mutation give you one mutation that is guaranteed to be helpful 21:27 < Faceless> lets introduce these potions to the white mutants or maybe aegis? 21:28 < Xom> eating purple chunks also gives/removes random mutations 21:28 < Xom> and so does being a plaything of xom, sometimes 21:28 < Faceless> what are purple chunks? 21:28 < Xom> chunks with item names written in purple 21:29 < Teceler> you skipped the part where you explain what chunks are :P 21:29 < Xom> chunks being pieces of meat you carved from a corpse of some dungeon creature 21:29 < Teceler> pft timing 21:29 < Faceless> okay, I might be loving Cat Grant way too much <3 21:29 < Xom> they're the most plentiful sort of food in the dungeon, but they spoil 21:29 < Faceless> "I don't like fishes but it reassures me they are under there swimming about" 21:30 < Xom> white chunks are safe to eat, gray chunks are rotten, green chunks are poisonous and cannot be eaten without resistance to poison, purple chunks are mutagenic 21:31 < Teceler> cannot or should not? :P 21:31 < Xom> 'cannot' because it is an action that will deterministically result in immediate death so your character refuses to do it 21:31 < Xom> like stepping into deep water or lava 21:32 < Teceler> huh. 21:32 < Teceler> yes this game sounds much less lethal than nethack 21:32 < Xom> your character in DCSS is willing to do things that are almost certain to kill him/her 21:32 < Teceler> (where you don't know which potions will kill you until you try it) 21:33 < Xom> oh no, there are potions of poison in dcss too 21:33 < Teceler> pft 21:33 < Teceler> okay 21:33 < Xom> there just aren't any unidentified items that are 100% lethal every time 21:33 < Teceler> /pft/ 21:33 < Teceler> I stand by my point 21:34 < Xom> at low levels and if you have no potions of curing or healing or other means of gaining HP, quaffing a potion of poison will probably kill you 21:34 < Xom> because it inflicts a *lot* of poison damage 21:34 < Teceler> (do not put on un-id-ed amulets in nethack. unless you've found the lethal ones I guess. or you're going to die next turn anyway) 21:34 < Teceler> that makes sense 21:34 < Teceler> ish 21:35 < Xom> but yeah, crawl kills you through damage 21:35 < Xom> it is technically possible to die of starvation but it's not going to happen unless you're going for extended endgame and taking stupid risks with no permafood in your inventory 21:36 < Xom> 'permafood' being any food that isn't chunks 21:36 < Xom> so named because it doesn't spoil within the timespan of a game 21:37 < Faceless> how long a game lasts? 21:37 < Xom> in in-character time? 21:37 < Xom> that would be a very difficult question 21:38 < Xom> since dcss doesn't measure time in seconds but in AUTs 21:38 < Faceless> ooc time 21:38 < Xom> depends on how good you are 21:38 < Xom> but long enough that people usually play in several sessions 21:38 < Xom> at least, if they're on a successful run 21:43 < Faceless> And a ot3 is born \o/ 21:43 < Faceless> sorry, I am watching supergirl 21:44 < Faceless> and when you end a game all your progression is lost? 21:47 < Xom> if you die yes 21:47 < Xom> or i suppose if you win 21:48 < Faceless> do you die if you win? 21:48 < Xom> you get the same game over screen for winning as for dying or giving up 21:48 < Xom> but you don't leave a ghost if you win or give up 21:49 < Xom> but yes, the character is deleted either way 21:49 < Xom> and you're left with a log file 21:49 < Faceless> :( 21:49 < Xom> and a score 21:51 < Xom> and a feeling that maybe you could do better next time (either winning instead of losing, or winning with more runes instead of winning with less, or winning faster) 21:52 < Xom> the main progression between games is your own knowledge of and competence at the game 21:53 < Teceler> you mentioned ghosts 21:55 < Xom> ghosts appear on floors that people died on 21:55 < Xom> and have abilities based on those of whoever died 21:55 < Xom> if you download the game and play locally you'll mostly see your own ghosts, if you play online you'll see ghosts from random other people 21:56 < Xom> they can be tough to deal with, especially if they're spellcasters with particular spells 21:57 < Faceless> :( 22:04 < Faceless> but seriously though, that does sound a bit sad 22:11 < Xom> yeah 22:11 < Xom> in any case i should be doing calculus work 22:11 < Teceler> good luck? 22:11 * Xom sighs dramatically 22:12 < Faceless> [hugs?] 22:12 -!- Kel has joined #backstage 22:12 < Kel> hi! 22:12 < Teceler> Kel! 22:12 < Teceler> hi! 22:12 < Kel> Hi! 22:13 < Kel> It looks like a lot of things have happened on the forum and I have not had a chance to read them yet but I am super excited about that and I approve 22:14 < Faceless> hi kel o/ 22:14 < Kel> hi! 22:15 < Faceless> I have been trying to participate more lately 22:15 < Faceless> but there are a way more of other things 22:15 < Faceless> how are you kel? 22:15 < Kel> I am good 22:15 < Kel> how are you? 22:16 < Faceless> good too 22:17 < Kel> also I have watched gravity falls as something to pay attention to while I was doing stuff I needed my hands for and couldn't read or type 22:18 < Kel> and it is Good 22:18 < Faceless> it is pretty sweet 22:18 < Faceless> I have often considered playing the twins, albeit mostly so crueler players don't get their claws on them 22:19 < Kel> pff 22:19 < Faceless> but either way how far did you got? 22:19 < Teceler> pft 22:19 < Kel> I am caught up 22:19 < Kel> ... #spoilers a sec? 22:32 < Faceless> So, kel, what else is new? 22:34 < Kel> Halloween was fun! 22:35 < Faceless> yay 22:35 < Faceless> how did went? 22:36 < Kel> I went as Skitter from Worm! I went with two friends in elaborate carboard dinosaur costumes, and a friend in a Babylon (something I don't remember) villain costume 22:37 < Faceless> Skitter! 22:37 < Faceless> cool! 22:37 < Faceless> did any recognize it? 22:37 < Kel> thanks! 22:37 < Faceless> also what the babylon one looked like 22:37 < Teceler> pft, I was about to ask that 22:37 < Kel> not in person! but a lot of internet people! 22:37 < Faceless> ? 22:39 < Kel> Long black dress, leathery vest-jacket, gloves, pin that looked like the greek letter psi 22:41 < Faceless> huh, my limited babylon fu failed me 22:42 < Faceless> are they human? maybe he was a psychic cop 22:42 < Kel> (she) I'll google, one sec 22:43 < Kel> it looks like probably that, yeah 22:44 < Kel> (brb, laundry) 22:48 -!- Sonata has quit 23:00 < Faceless> I have to go sleep 23:00 < Faceless> good night folks o/ 23:00 < Teceler> sleep well 23:02 -!- Faceless has quit 23:36 < Kel> bk 23:36 < Teceler> wb! 23:36 < Kel> thanks! 23:37 < Kel> (laundry is warm and fuzzy and I was distracted by these qualities) --- Day changed Thu Nov 05 2015 00:44 -!- Kel is now known as Kelsleep 00:45 -!- Kelsleep has quit 00:45 * Adelene peers at the channel, goes hmm, bundles Personal Issue up for later. 00:45 < Teceler> [hug if wanted] 00:45 <@Adelene> *hug* 00:45 <@Adelene> Is help, yes. 00:46 <@Adelene> (Sometimes I go 'I wonder if I should really count as having PTSD, it really doesn't affect much'. And then there's things like this. :P ) 00:46 < Teceler> [hug] 00:57 <@Adelene> ...man, that worked /way/ better than I was expecting. 01:00 <@Adelene> It's about time for me to get a checkup again, and the relevant bits of my brain were responding to this prospect with 'no. monsters. no monsters. no.', which, uh, ends up going /very/ bad places if I don't catch it in time and do something about it - and the usual effective something is 'agree not to do the thing'. But I went and pulled up a picture of my doctor, and they were like '...oh! that guy! he's not a monster, sure!' 01:00 < Teceler> [hug] 01:00 <@Adelene> *hug* 01:00 < Teceler> that's good 01:00 < Teceler> um 01:00 <@Adelene> Just - /brains/, man, who even knows. ^^ 01:00 < Teceler> the last part, I mean 01:01 < Teceler> yeah 01:21 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 03:03 < Teceler> goodnight 03:03 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Asleep 03:03 <@Adelene> Sleep well! 03:03 * Teceler|Asleep (thanks)
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Post by Mother Starlight on Nov 6, 2015 18:11:59 GMT
09:21 -!- Teceler|Asleep is now known as Teceler 10:32 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 10:32 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 10:36 <@Sonata> Does anyone from Quinn besides Write It Down have an account? i forget 10:55 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 10:55 < Faceless> hi? 11:12 <@Sonata> hi 11:12 < Teceler> hello 11:13 < Faceless> hu 11:13 < Faceless> hi* 12:46 -!- Faceless has quit 13:41 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 13:59 < Faceless> hi again? 13:59 < Teceler> hey 14:00 < Faceless> How are things going? 14:02 < Faceless> also, Lioncourt's backstory... why I am surprised that it was like that? 14:28 <@Sonata> The mind automatically flinches away from unpleasant thoughts. 14:29 <@Sonata> We simply don't consider things outside our experience. 14:30 < Faceless> yeah, but considering all things, I shouldn't be all that surprised of course it is one /those/ kind of stories 14:31 <@Sonata> *shrug* 14:33 < Faceless> but yeah 14:33 < Faceless> I wonder if the otc trades in hugs 14:33 < Faceless> because she needs many 14:34 < Faceless> anyway, last time I checked, Lioncourt is like going through the taieli thingmagib and rulling over vampires? 14:47 <@Sonata> yeah 15:09 -!- Sonata has quit 15:11 < Faceless> I feel vaguely awkward talking with myself through characters in the forum, does anyone suffers this problem? 15:56 -!- MTC has quit 18:26 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 18:26 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 19:00 < Faceless> oh, welcome back sonata 19:00 < Faceless> what happened? 21:32 <@Sonata> went out for a bit 21:48 < Faceless> ah 21:48 < Faceless> you didn't lose anything relevant, I don't think 22:08 -!- Sonata has quit 22:17 -!- Faceless has quit --- Day changed Fri Nov 06 2015 00:06 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 01:01 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 01:58 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Asleep
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Post by Mother Starlight on Nov 7, 2015 14:45:01 GMT
05:07 -!- Andygal has quit 09:09 -!- FacelessFrog has joined #backstage 09:09 < FacelessFrog> o/ 09:16 -!- Teceler|Asleep is now known as Teceler 11:48 -!- FacelessFrog has quit 12:10 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 13:49 -!- FacelessVale has joined #backstage 13:50 < FacelessVale> Hello again o/ 13:53 < Andygal> Hi. 13:53 < Teceler> hello 13:53 < FacelessVale> how are you people? 13:54 < Andygal> OK. 14:45 < FacelessVale> I am debating if it would be culturally insensitive to turn Ananta-Shesha into a character, or if it is better just to use it as a inspiration 14:46 < FacelessVale> (Ananta-Shesha basically a massive snake-ish eldritch abomination, that is actually good) 16:02 -!- MTC has quit 17:02 < FacelessVale> who is ERROR? 17:03 -!- FacelessVale has quit 18:14 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 18:15 < Faceless> Good evening? 18:15 <@Adelene> o/ 18:15 < Teceler> hello again 18:16 < Faceless> how are things? 18:16 < Faceless> and who is ERROR, I want to shake their hand xD 18:21 * Adelene is all right, if not in a particularly writey mood this week. 18:21 < Teceler> [hug if wanted] 18:22 <@Adelene> I mean, not goona turn one down, but it's not really that kind of thing, my brain's just elsewhere. *hug* 18:23 < Teceler> mm. depending on how much you want to be able to write though that can be unpleasant. unless I have misparsed and it's more not wanting to 18:24 <@Adelene> Yeah, this isn't a want-to-and-can't thing, except the relatively minor bit where I feel a little bad about flaking out on Faceless and Alicorn. 18:25 * Faceless also offer hugs 18:25 < Faceless> and it /is/ fine. I can't stress that enough. 18:25 <@Adelene> (I am actually really bad at wanting to do things, mostly. Like, I /can/, but it takes a lot of doing to get any actual momentum behind it.) 18:25 <@Adelene> ok :) 18:29 < Faceless> huh, it is okay to answer a question about Lurker, it is something that I thought and got curious about? 18:29 <@Adelene> To ask one, you mean? Sure. 18:32 < Faceless> I wanted to know the vague/general reaction Lurker would have if she experienced Franklyn's power, and then realized that the "huge puppy-ish weird guy" has a level of knowledge that can be best described as "half-way through a dozen majors and fluency in more languages than Lurker would think it was possible to exist in a single species"? 18:34 <@Adelene> Experienced how? She doesn't actually have a very strong opinion on what is and isn't possible for someone to know or do. 18:37 < Faceless> in hipothetically ideal conditions she would have consently used a magical device while Franklyn's is being it's battery. I was just curious about hre reaction. 18:38 <@Adelene> The question there is what she'd actually experience, doing that. 18:40 < Faceless> the synesthetic sensation is like feeling several soft threads going *somewhere*... and when you think about them or think about a relevant information becomes accessible in way that is very similar to remembering but you know the source is from outside of you. It is not at all overhelming. 18:41 <@Adelene> Context would matter but I suspect she'd go "???!!!???" and then try to avoid getting any information that way, unless she was explicitly invited to. 18:43 < Faceless> Franklyn would hardly protest. 18:44 < Teceler> that's. not the point. 18:44 <@Adelene> Yeah. 18:45 < Faceless> It can be assumed he would invite Lurker to take a look, might or might not say something along the lines of "Information wants to be free" but that might be me being a Freefall fan 18:45 <@Adelene> Like, if she were around him long enough and avoiding the thing was a pain, she might ask just how careful she actually needs to be? But for all that kobolds don't do ownership of /physical/ things, they're actually really firm on things in the area of mental privacy and self-determination. 18:48 < Faceless> things that Franklyn gets aren't "personal information" at worst she might get stuff that is like... a trade secret, the special spice you put on the food... 18:49 <@Adelene> I'm assuming she doesn't have a good way to know that ahead of time. And even if she does, she's /still/ not going to go poking around without an invitation. 18:52 < Faceless> huh, they way it would set up, the invitation would be implicit? Physically the scene would involve them both holding an amulet/ring for make it work, Lurker would be beneficiary of the effect, but Franklyn would need to work as the battery. 18:52 <@Adelene> It's, like... a privacy thing, basically? There isn't even really a logic behind her reaction there, it's more an aesthetic thing or not even that, she doesn't even consider doing anything other than minding her own business there. 18:53 < Teceler> Faceless: that, um, might be a relevant factor 18:53 < Faceless> I thought that was implicit before, sorry >_> 18:53 < Teceler> (if I'm reading that right, this is something Franklyn's doing deliberately?) 18:54 < Teceler> it's not really clear 18:54 < Faceless> yup 18:54 <@Adelene> If Franklyn /does/ bring it up and say it's okay, that does get a slightly different reaction. She still won't go poking around but won't worry too much about accidentally getting stuff. If it's just an unavoidable side effect and not otherwise discussed, though, she'll keep her hands to herself. 18:54 < Faceless> making a magical item that does it without his consent is not intrisically impossible, but I am pretty sure no one took the time to do it. 19:03 <@Adelene> *shrug* 19:04 < Faceless> I was just curious >.> 19:06 <@Adelene> Like, if he explicitly offered to do that for specifically that reason, she'd be fine with it? I'm not sure how she'd react to the information in particular, it'd depend on what she saw and that'd depend on the context going in. But yeah, her first reaction if it's a side effect rather than actually intentional is to do her best to pretend it's not an option at all, because polite. 19:08 * Faceless nods 19:09 <@Adelene> (Science-culture types being baffled at Lurker's uncuriosity is a thing, yeah.) 19:09 < Teceler> pft 19:10 <@Adelene> *chuckle* 19:11 < Teceler> ...and now I am thinking about portal!Lurker and Niryl again. brain doing this to me you know how ineffective we are at writing right now 19:11 < Faceless> she actually comes off as really curious? At least for koboldian standards of "run and hide at sight of everything new"? 19:11 < Faceless> [hugs?] 19:11 < Teceler> [hug] 19:12 <@Adelene> She is very curious! But it's a koboldey flavor of curious, she's not curious about everything equally. 19:13 <@Adelene> (What would portal!Lurker and Niryl do, do you think? I personally suspect Lurker would nope out of FL pretty quickly, but that doesn't mean she necessarily wouldn't do some interesting stuff first or from a distance.) 19:14 < Faceless> I am not entirely certain what Niryl is again, I thought they were (at least partially) one of the Bazaar's masters? 19:15 < Teceler> ....no 19:15 < Teceler> Niryl is my FL character 19:15 < Faceless> wait... so then where all that mess with Write It Down come from again? 19:15 < Teceler> um 19:16 < Teceler> she /kinda/ got possessed 19:16 <@Adelene> for yes values of kinda, if I'm understanding correctly. ;P 19:16 < Teceler> pft 19:17 < Teceler> Adelene: yeah I would expect her to nope out of FL quickly if she [words] wound up seeing why she would? (like. --no brain we will not produce a list of things Lurker would have issues with FL --um) 19:18 < Faceless> actually 19:18 < Faceless> what would Lurker be okay about FL? That should be a easier list 19:18 <@Adelene> pfft 19:18 < Teceler> aaaand Niryl would warn her if she thought they didn't know, but by default they assume Lurker is, well, from the Neath 19:18 < Faceless> or at least shorter 19:19 < Teceler> um. --possibly how hard permadeath is? --actually I have no idea what she would think about that and now I am wondering 19:19 < Teceler> er 19:19 < Teceler> *Niryl would warn her if they thought she didn't know 19:19 < Teceler> (fixed the wrong instance of she) 19:20 <@Adelene> pre-MWF, Lurker hasn't thought significantly about immortality. In the FL case I expect she'd conclude that it was for the most part not worth it. 19:21 <@Adelene> (does depend what things she runs into in what order and with what kind of guidance/spin, though) 19:22 < Teceler> ...one of Niryl's thoughts about applications of portals is 'do that thing they're apparantly destined to and make everyone a lot more immortal' 19:22 <@Adelene> But, like - with permadeath off the table it seems to me like in the long run people in FL end up in a state of permatorture instead? For various values of 'torture', some of which might not be /that/ bad, but. 19:23 < Faceless> what happens with undead folk go to the surface? 19:23 < Teceler> tomb colonists don't seem to be in pain. that might be pain asymbolia or pain nerves stopping working (but other ones don't seem to? or it's some kind of symbolic linking thing) 19:24 <@Adelene> *shrug* 19:24 < Teceler> Faceless: they die from the sunlight. unless they're a Hesperidan or /maybe/ a Continental we don't know for sure about that one 19:25 <@Adelene> I /could/ see Lurker mageing Niryl, in any of a few different scenarios. 19:25 < Teceler> but, like. I wouldn't expect that to apply on other worlds, although Niryl would not be eager to test that, it's a specific property of sunlight in Correspondence 19:25 < Teceler> if that's what you were after Faceless? 19:26 <@Adelene> (The most likely one, I think, is Niryl asking to be maged and Lurker going 'who'll vouch for this being a good idea'; my understanding is that she wouldn't have much trouble at all coming up with people to do that?) 19:27 < Teceler> (...[considers what she has established as background for the Lizzie and Niryl plot] ...she would not) 19:27 < Teceler> *not have much trouble 19:27 <@Adelene> *nodnod* 19:28 <@Adelene> And then Lurker can nope off into the sunset nd Niryl can get on with whatever, seems like the likely outcome there. 19:29 < Teceler> yeah that is possible. ...I'm, um, not positive it would occur to Niryl that asking is possible though huh 19:29 <@Adelene> Hm - I mean, she feels more likely than most to me, but. 19:30 < Teceler> like. they are used to a model where people don't share/teach skills and knowledge lightly at all? 19:30 <@Adelene> Ah. 19:31 <@Adelene> Even asking whether or how they could learn would get them there, though. 19:31 < Teceler> she might try to work out what Lurker would be willing to trade for it, but 19:31 <@Adelene> *giggle* 19:31 < Teceler> pft timing 19:32 <@Adelene> Trying to work out what Lurker would want in trade really doesn't work and I find this very amusing. ^^ 19:32 < Teceler> yeah I know 19:33 < Teceler> Niryl: [throws their ridiculous Watchful at the question] [comes up with errors] ??? 19:33 <@Adelene> ^^ 19:36 < Faceless> "lurker can nope off into the sunset" 19:36 < Faceless> quotefile that! 19:36 <@Adelene> *giggle* 19:36 < Teceler> also I kinda feel like Niryl's mental model for Lurker would be 'cat' or 'urchin' or some blend thereof 19:37 < Teceler> (that's urchin in the sense of the FL... cultural group? thing?) 19:38 < Teceler> I have no idea how well that would work but 19:38 < Teceler> ...relevantly FL cats are sapient 19:38 <@Adelene> I don't know enough FL to have a good idea of what that means. 19:38 < Teceler> mhm. 19:39 * Teceler tries to work out how to explain 19:40 < Teceler> ...you know I kinda expect Lurker to have interesting opinions about the urchins. not sure what they /are/ but 19:40 * Teceler continues to think about how to explain 19:40 < Faceless> I am not entirely sure about that too, but yeah, her opinions would be interesting 19:40 < Faceless> how the urchins become like that? 19:41 < Teceler> hm 19:41 < Teceler> "Who are the Fisher-Kings? 19:41 < Teceler> The Fisher Kings are a gang of urchins who keep to the roofs and gutters. They specialise in a particular larceny: relieving passers-by below of their fine hats and wigs by means of a line, a hook, and the deft flick of a wrist. They are a superstitious crew: you can only be a member if you bear the scar of an old wound that never fully healed, and they consider it bad luck to ever set foot upon the ground." 19:41 < Teceler> "Who are the Naughts and the Crosses? 19:41 < Teceler> These two gangs of futureless urchins have been waging their ritual war over the territory between the corners of Wick Street and Hobbe Lane, and Alley Alley and Blue Ghost Street almost since the Fall. The savagery demonstrated in the conflict is the stuff of penny-dreadfuls." 19:44 <@Adelene> 'weird, but somewhat more sensible than your average humans, albeit the that unsensible parts are definitely FL-ish and not in a good way' 19:44 < Teceler> yeah 19:45 < Teceler> "They're an eery lot, the gangs of kids who rule the roofs of London. They hear things up there, things the wind forgot." 19:45 < Faceless> why more sensible than the average human? 19:45 < Teceler> ... 19:46 < Teceler> "Occasionally, an urchin survives long enough to be too old for the gangs. Perhaps you can buy their secrets before they graduate to the enterprises of adult criminals." 19:46 <@Adelene> Lurker's definition of sensible is definitely based on kobold culture. 20:01 < Faceless> Yeah, I was meaning their specific reasons 20:04 < Faceless> incidently, does Lurker is friends with any child humans? That sounds like something that should happen 20:14 -!- Faceless is now known as FacelessRead 20:49 <@Adelene> ...oh, I was afk 20:49 <@Adelene> mwf-Lurker knows a couple human kids but isn't especially friends with any. 21:16 < FacelessRead> I am reading glowfic at the moment 21:16 < FacelessRead> but the interactions were cute? 21:16 <@Adelene> :) 22:09 * Teceler tries to work out what just happened to her 10+ gigabytes of hard drive space 22:23 < FacelessRead> what just happened with you 10+ gigabytes of hard drive space? 22:23 < Teceler> is what I'm trying to find out 22:23 < Teceler> what I have found so far: a system log has a bunch of random data on the end 22:24 < Teceler> (about 12/13 GBs of random data) 22:24 < Andygal> ... 22:25 < Teceler> (good news: it's the desktop enviroment log, not anything lower level) 22:25 < Teceler> (bad news: that is the good news) 22:25 <@Adelene> *snicker* 22:26 < Teceler> ? 22:27 <@Adelene> Just, like, that's a very computers sort of situation, I'm amused. 22:28 * Adelene has hopefully previously mentioned that they have an odd sense of humor? 22:28 * Teceler was just curious what was amusing (because I could use something amusing right now) 22:30 <@Adelene> Computers as a phenomenon. Possibly especially if you look at them through a lens of 'this is the kind of magic we get to have/techies as wizards'. 22:31 < Teceler> ...okay so um 22:31 < Teceler> the file is /still growing/ 22:31 <@Adelene> oh dear 22:31 < Teceler> ...I'm going to restart the computer, brb 22:33 -!- Teceler has quit 22:39 -!- Teceler has joined #backstage 22:40 < Teceler> ...okay good news is that seems to have stopped it 22:40 < FacelessRead> \o/ 22:40 < FacelessRead> the bad news is that the file gained self-awareness? 22:41 < Teceler> (as in the file is no longer growing) 22:41 < Teceler> pft 22:41 < Teceler> bad news is I still have no idea what caused this 22:49 < Teceler> well that's mysterious 22:49 < FacelessRead> ? 22:50 < Teceler> I found the break point 22:51 < FacelessRead> what was it then? 22:51 < Teceler> nothing clear 22:53 < Teceler> it's basically another ordinary line followed by 22:53 < Teceler> well 22:53 < Teceler> columns of numbers. 22:54 < FacelessRead> and where it came from? 22:55 < Teceler> GOOD QUESTION 22:55 * Teceler starts altbrowser, on the theory that it might be hexadecimal 22:58 < FacelessRead> I torn between staying character and not-ruining a joke 23:04 < Teceler> ? 23:07 < FacelessRead> In the forum I asked how do you keep track of a psychic paper 23:07 < FacelessRead> error wrote: Presumably you can keep track of psychic paper by expecting it to be labelled PSYCHIC PAPER in bold colorful letters. 23:07 < FacelessRead> I feel that responding to that in anyway would ruin the joke xD 23:07 < Teceler> pft 23:28 < FacelessRead> have to go sleep so my human brain can fuction better later 23:28 < FacelessRead> good night o/ 23:28 < Teceler> sleep well 23:30 -!- FacelessRead has quit --- Day changed Sat Nov 07 2015 00:27 -!- Adelene has quit 00:41 -!- Adelene has joined #backstage 00:42 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Adelene] by ChanServ 00:58 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 02:13 < Teceler> good night all 02:13 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Asleep
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Post by Mother Starlight on Nov 8, 2015 20:12:28 GMT
06:44 -!- Andygal has quit 09:36 -!- NoFaceClaude has joined #backstage 09:55 -!- NoFaceClaude is now known as Faceless 09:55 < Faceless> o/ 10:50 -!- Faceless has quit 12:13 -!- Teceler|Asleep is now known as Teceler 15:01 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 15:01 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 15:15 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 15:16 < Faceless> Good afternoon people 15:26 <@Sonata> hello 15:28 < Faceless> hi! 15:30 < Faceless> I really need a cure from "want to glowfic/mwf the stuff in front of me" disorder 15:30 <@Sonata> dunno, sorry 15:33 < Faceless> There is no euphemism here, my dad is watching a wild west movie and then a stallone movie? My mind goes "ooh, how they would react if X happened?" 15:36 <@Sonata> huh 15:37 <@Sonata> um. find something shinier to glowfic instead? 15:37 < Faceless> wouldn't that create a bigger problem? 15:40 <@Sonata> maybe? i'm unclear on why this situation is considered a problem in the first place, so i have a limited ability to guess at the acceptability of various outcomes 15:44 < Faceless> it feels like a result of a lack of focus that I don't like particularly productive, I am sort of exagerating for humor 15:45 <@Sonata> hmm 15:45 <@Sonata> do you know what you want to be doing instead that you're getting distracted from? 16:00 -!- Teceler has quit 16:01 -!- MTC has quit 16:05 < Faceless> Sorry, got distracted... I don't have a specific goal in mind, tbh? 16:05 < Faceless> except for "having more solidified ideas" I guess? 16:14 -!- Teceler has joined #backstage 16:15 < Faceless> welcome back teceler 16:15 < Teceler> hey 16:15 < Teceler> apparantly internet flickered while I was afk 16:21 < Faceless> you didn't lose much 16:22 < Faceless> 18:05 Faceless Sorry, got distracted... I don't have a specific goal in mind, tbh? 18:05 Faceless except for "having more solidified ideas" I guess? 16:22 < Teceler> * Teceler returns from afkdom, huhs. 16:22 < Teceler> <Teceler> that's a familiar problem XD 16:22 < Teceler> <Teceler> unfortunately I don't really have much advice on how to solve it 16:22 < Teceler> <Teceler> other than 'distract yourself with other plots if you want to focus more' 16:23 < Faceless> ah, i didn't get that xD 16:23 < Faceless> and yeah 16:23 < Teceler> yeah, it then proceeded to inform me that it wasn't actually connected 16:24 < Faceless> I am currently trying to work out a "dimensions for sale" thing for the forum 16:33 -!- ERROR has joined #backstage 16:34 < ERROR> motherstarlight see MWF backstage board plz 16:39 < Teceler> Sonata 16:40 < Teceler> hello Error 16:40 < Teceler> I think Faceless wanted to ask you something earlier 16:41 < Faceless> I am not sure I wanted to ask? I was just curious who Error was 16:41 < Teceler> ah, okay 16:41 < Faceless> I liked the psychic paper joke xD 16:42 < Faceless> (plus people should do the attach the identities to the characters stuff on the backstage more often) 16:42 < Teceler> only if they want to 16:42 < Faceless> Oh, yeah, sorry to imply otherwise 16:43 < Faceless> I just get the general impression that some aren't aware that is there? 16:43 < Faceless> I often forget that the backstage area is a thing 16:43 * Teceler shrugs. 16:44 < ERROR> I don't wanna say who I am IRL 16:44 < Teceler> I don't think that's what Faceless meant at all 16:45 < Teceler> and that's not what the thread is about 16:45 < Teceler> it's -- like, connecting multiple characters to a single ooc identity? 16:46 < ERROR> I don't think I want to do that either 16:46 * Teceler shrugs. 16:46 < Teceler> that's your decision 16:46 < Teceler> mostly it just makes ooc dicussion easier 16:47 < ERROR> MWF is a neat idea 16:47 < Faceless> Error, yeah, totally your decision, sorry if I made things uncomfortable 16:47 < ERROR> I've got more ideas for characters but probably won't make a unified identity for em 16:47 * Teceler tries pinging Sonata again 16:47 < Faceless> (and yeah, it was what Tec said) 16:48 < Faceless> that is okay 16:48 < Faceless> and yeah, MWF is very neat 16:56 < Faceless> So, Error, what would you like to talk about your character and it's setting? 16:56 < Teceler> their setting 16:56 < Faceless> ops, their 16:56 < Faceless> sorry >.> 16:56 < Faceless> (English is my second language) 16:59 < Teceler> 'sokay 17:15 <@Sonata> oops sorry 17:15 <@Sonata> I need to figure out a way to be pingable under my current desktop setup 17:15 < Teceler> computers 17:15 < Teceler> good luck? 17:15 < Teceler> (error I don't know if this will ping you but probably worth trying) 17:21 < Teceler> what's your current desktop setup? 17:21 < Teceler> (if you're willing to share) 17:22 <@Sonata> I'm using ratpoison. I'm not sure how compatible popups are with the paradigm. 17:22 < Teceler> ah 17:22 < Teceler> I'm not familiar with that 17:25 < Faceless> ratpoison...? 17:26 < Faceless> who names... anything that? besides maybe an anti-virus 17:26 * Teceler giggles. 17:27 <@Sonata> so called because it's designed to not require the mouse for anything 17:27 < ERROR> *giggle 17:28 <@Sonata> oh hi error 17:28 <@Sonata> so do you want MS to fix the terminal or not? 17:28 < ERROR> hi 17:28 < ERROR> ya 17:28 <@Sonata> OK, I'll go do that then. 17:28 < ERROR> "it should be fixed now, I removed the malicious program" or some such and then I make a real account 17:29 < Faceless> is MS going to remove the malicious program only from that terminal or from all terminals? Can she even do that? 17:30 <@Sonata> Generally, she'll do the least invasive thing possible; I wrote that she 'bypassed' it. 17:30 < ERROR> From reading her posts I would guess only terminals connected to the forum 17:30 <@Sonata> So in theory the virus is still on the terminal, but can now only affect other terminal functions besides the forum. 17:31 < ERROR> ...It's a very smart virus. It'll turn the terminal off. 17:31 < ERROR> wait 17:31 < Faceless> this is a original setting? 17:31 < ERROR> except it would have done that already if it could nevermidn 17:31 <@Sonata> If it's /that/ smart... hmm. 17:31 < Teceler> the bypass would probably stop that then 17:31 < ERROR> yes 17:31 < Teceler> *stop it from doing that 17:32 <@Sonata> MS miiiiight try to ask the virus if it wants an account. 17:32 < Teceler> ... 17:32 < Teceler> well then 17:32 < ERROR> the virus fails to be a person and tries to destroy MS 17:32 <@Sonata> well it's only polite, she's barging into its house 17:32 <@Sonata> in that case MS just nopes it. 17:33 < Teceler> does she remove the virus from that terminal too, then, or? 17:34 <@Sonata> the virus /might/ get wiped from the machine if it's the only way for her to keep the forum connection open and secure, but she's not more aggressive than she has to be. 17:34 * Teceler nods. 17:35 < Faceless> (I like MS ^^) 17:37 < Faceless> I wonder if there are any famous virus that would make interesting forum members 17:38 < ERROR> is GLaDOS a member? 17:38 < Faceless> wait, there is! http://reboot.wikia.com/wiki/Hexadecimal 17:38 < Teceler> error: no 17:38 < Teceler> well 17:38 < Teceler> not /yet/ 17:38 < Faceless> GLaDOS is more an AI? 17:38 < ERROR> yes 17:38 < Teceler> yeah 17:38 < Teceler> but conceptual space. 17:39 < Faceless> ? 17:39 < Teceler> [words] 17:40 < Teceler> like, it's related? 17:40 < Teceler> because. well. GLaDOS 17:41 < ERROR> Made ERROR's account 17:41 < ERROR> scroungerkate 17:41 < Faceless> ah, yes, I can see it, but I feel it would be... "cheating" if you used GLaDOS as the token virus for the forum 17:41 < Teceler> sure 17:42 < Faceless> congratulations ERROR \o/ 17:42 <@Sonata> wheeee! 17:42 < Teceler> Faceless: that doesn't mean GLaDOS couldn't be on the forum though 17:42 < Teceler> if that makes any sense? 17:42 < Faceless> Teceler, oh yeah, I didn't meant that at all 17:43 < Faceless> please, someone do bring GLaDOS to the forum 17:43 < Faceless> maybe I can get a friend to read it then 17:43 < Faceless> (I never actually played portal, but the concept is amusing) 17:43 < Faceless> and nooow I am thinking about MWF-fy Reboot 17:43 <@Sonata> I think we have a couple viruses on the forum already actually 17:43 < Faceless> I wonder if I am the only person who likes the show, it is pretty old 17:44 < Faceless> Sonata, who? 17:44 < Teceler> ...Viridensence might cont 17:44 <@Sonata> I didn't see a lot of it, but I liked what I saw 17:44 < Teceler> er 17:44 < Teceler> spelling 17:44 <@Sonata> Mr Eaten, I think someone from a magic world maybe Darkness 17:44 < Teceler> ...I wouldn't nessecarily call Eaten a virus 17:44 < Teceler> except sorta as a memetic hazard I suppose 17:44 <@Sonata> well, not /exactly/ 17:45 <@Sonata> but Seeking is infectious, yeah? 17:45 < Teceler> mhm. well, you can resist it, but 17:45 <@Sonata> in the sense that people who succumb to it become vectors for infecting others? 17:45 < Teceler> yes that is a way to become a Seeker 17:46 < Faceless> I was thinking of computer virus, but point taken? 17:46 < Faceless> Neal goal: try to out weird the weirdest members of the Green Lantern Corps 17:46 < Teceler> the Darkness person whose name I can't spell counts more straightforwardly though 17:46 < Faceless> which include sapient bacterium and living math equations 17:46 < Teceler> ...speaking of which, has anyone seen Endoivor? 17:46 < Faceless> Not that I recall 17:50 < ERROR> ping otc? 17:50 < ERROR> who runs it? 17:50 < Teceler> Evenstar 17:50 < Teceler> who isn't here at the moment 17:50 < Teceler> we might be able to answer a question? 17:51 < Teceler> (if it's something that she's previously said, I mean) 17:51 < ERROR> no I just meant to aware them that they have a customer 17:51 < Teceler> ah 17:52 < Teceler> they'll see that when they next check the forum, I assume 17:53 < Teceler> unfortunately I don't know when that will be, they've been various levels of busy recently 17:54 < Faceless> yeah, but you can leave a question/request on the thread 17:56 -!- ERROR has quit 17:58 < Faceless> Sonata, it would be possible for MS to clean up all of Error's world computers? 18:00 <@Sonata> maaaaybe but I'm not convinced she /would/ 18:00 <@Sonata> MS is really supposed to be an NPC 18:01 < Teceler> ... 18:01 < Faceless> I was thinking more in terms of "that is within her powers" 18:01 * Teceler is now thinking about this re: the exsurgent virus 18:01 < Faceless> exsurgent is a bit more complicated isn't? 18:01 <@Sonata> her powers are pretty flexible, including in terms of being able to arbitrarily declare she can't do things 18:01 -!- scroungerkate has joined #backstage 18:02 < Teceler> ...mm, she could probably clear all the non-warded digital instances of the virus, but it would just get reinfected 18:02 <@Sonata> officially her powers and personality are "as required to enable the premise of the forum" 18:02 < Teceler> so 18:02 < Teceler> that doesn't horribly break anything if she can do that, okay, good 18:02 < Teceler> wb error 18:02 < Teceler> if you want to change your name-thing without disconnecting an reconnecting 18:02 < Faceless> wibbles 18:03 < Teceler> /nick newname 18:03 < Teceler> works 18:06 < Faceless> huh, one problem with both ItL and CFW is that they are both rather... not developed enough to the point I don't know how much of my desires I should indulge through then 18:06 < Teceler> hm? 18:06 < Faceless> I am considering ITL to cover some of ItL expenses so she doesn't put herself in danger 18:06 < Faceless> argh 18:06 < Faceless> some of Scroungerkate expanses 18:07 < Faceless> sorry, words and stuff >.> 18:07 < Teceler> ah, but you're not sure they would? 18:07 < Faceless> yesh 18:08 < Faceless> I do have the vague impression that CFW would be like "lets not interfere too much in other worlds before we know them better" or something 18:08 < Faceless> and ITL would be like "but we are richer than god now!" 18:08 < Teceler> hm 18:08 < Teceler> well 18:08 < Teceler> what could go wrong? 18:09 < Faceless> is more a matter of focus/effiency for CFW, plus a general caution about aproaching situations 18:09 * Teceler nods. 18:09 < Teceler> okay, so how do they respond to ITL's response? 18:11 < Faceless> [words that sum up to caution! carefulness!]? 18:12 < Teceler> and ITL responds with... 18:13 < Faceless> "but she might get herself killed! I bet she is living in Mad Max times!" 18:13 <@Sonata> i think a major consideration here is "does scroungerkate-the-player want scoungerkate-the-character to get this kind of help/interference" 18:14 < Faceless> (one trait that I did assign to ITL is that he likes to compare things with pop culture references and stuff) 18:14 < Teceler> Sonata: yeah, point, I'm mostly poking the characters 18:14 < Faceless> I am willing to abide to SK desires on that 18:15 < Faceless> and Teceler exercise is good for me too ^^ 18:15 -!- Sonata has quit 18:15 < Faceless> albeit, generally I assume that SK can deny things IC too, ITL wouldn't be all that pushy? 18:16 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 18:16 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 18:16 < Teceler> mm. yes but whether or not they would accept icly could be different from whether SK wants this oocly 18:16 * Sonata boing 18:16 * Teceler pokes Sonata's internet 18:17 < Faceless> Sonata you missed Faceless albeit, generally I assume that SK can deny things IC too, ITL wouldn't be all that pushy? 18:17 < Faceless> Teceler, fair point 18:17 <@Sonata> yeah but like, sometimes a character wants something that the author wants to deny? 18:17 <@Sonata> anyway 18:17 < Teceler> that yes 18:17 < Faceless> huh, should that kind of thing be part of special acomodations or have a thread of their own? 18:18 <@Sonata> iunno, i kinda think it should be a sort of default assumption that you ask permission before doing things that majorly impact other people's worlds/characters? 18:18 < Teceler> that yeah 18:20 < Faceless> fair point, but I was supposing people with another default? Like they might more control of their characters interactions? 18:20 <@Sonata> /individual people/ can declare themselves to run on a different default, but the /default/ default is ask first i think? 18:21 <@Sonata> (compare by analogy, crocker's rules?) 18:21 < Faceless> crocker's rules? 18:22 <@Sonata> when someone declares crocker's rules it means they prefer others to communicate to them as directly and clearly as possible, even at the expense of tact 18:23 <@Sonata> but part of the rules (metarules?) is that such a declaration can only ever be a personal choice 18:24 < Faceless> ah, I understand 18:32 < Faceless> so scroungerkate? 18:32 < Teceler> I think they're in another tab or something 18:34 < Faceless> ok 18:34 < Faceless> my current state is waiting to see what they thing 18:34 < Faceless> and IC ITL is waiting for more information 18:41 < Faceless> correction 18:41 < Faceless> IC ITL is probably having that argument that teceler helped me construct xD 18:41 < Teceler> pft 19:07 < scroungerkate> is back from beer run 19:08 < Faceless> wibbles o/ 19:11 < Faceless> scroungerkate are you okay if my character offering to cover some of your otc expenses? 19:11 < Faceless> (okay with my character asking the question, the IC answer is another story) 19:11 < scroungerkate> She'll be all 'well if you're doing this I don't owe you anything' 19:12 < scroungerkate> and vaguly think he's trying to be a sugar daddy and gonna ask for sex eventually 19:12 < scroungerkate> but you can ask 19:12 < scroungerkate> (beacuse that is a thing that happened to her) 19:13 < Faceless> o.o 19:13 < Faceless> I haven't figured if I want to make this instance of ITL bi or not, but it isn't like that, no 19:13 < scroungerkate> Turns out, apocalypses? Great environment for assholes to be assholes. 19:13 < Faceless> plus is not like he can just commute to her place and vice versa 19:14 < Faceless> no netflix and chill for these two 19:14 < Faceless> SK, a toast to that 19:14 < scroungerkate> There was a guy who only let people on his boat if they were really rich or would have sex with him. 19:14 < scroungerkate> scroungerkate is not really rich, and does not want to die in a flood. 19:16 < Faceless> me, and my characters are making a collective "aaaurgh" kinda of sound 19:21 < Teceler> that is. augh, yeah 19:22 < Teceler> like. very 'abuse of power'? 19:22 < scroungerkate> yep 19:22 < scroungerkate> she got out, so. 19:23 * Faceless nods. 19:23 < Faceless> I wonder if you can cash in izikiel on another's person behalf? 19:23 < Teceler> iirc, they're specifically designed so that can't be a thing 19:23 < Teceler> unlike other OTC-currency 19:23 < Teceler> hm 19:24 < Teceler> or it might be that they all have a 'if this person would be okay with you doing that' 19:24 < Teceler> but I seem to remember there being something specific about izikiel there 19:24 -!- scroungerkate has left #backstage 19:24 -!- scroungerkate has joined #backstage 19:25 < scroungerkate> ow 19:25 < scroungerkate> my internet decided to be insane for a few mins 19:25 < scroungerkate> I missed anything recently said btw 19:25 < Teceler> oh, and here I was about to scold mibbit. 19:25 < Teceler> moment 19:25 * Teceler pms logs 19:31 < Faceless> scroungerkate, things are normal now? 19:31 < scroungerkate> posted in index of worlds 19:31 < scroungerkate> normal as it's gonna get, post-semi-apocalypse 19:31 < Faceless> yay 19:32 < Faceless> scroungerkate, I was talking about the internet, I don't have much hope for madmax type of times 19:32 < Faceless> god, I am so glad I have a character to channel terrible puns and references 19:33 < scroungerkate> ya my internet is working now 19:34 < Faceless> \o/ 19:37 < scroungerkate> scroungerkate is off MWF for now and has to get back to work, both ic and ooc 19:38 < Teceler> okay 19:38 < Teceler> good luck 19:38 -!- scroungerkate has quit 19:38 < Faceless> good luck with work 19:40 < Faceless> idea that I am so going to use for ITL: He decides that he is going to give a ka to every forum member posting "You know what? I am feeling like oprah winfrey now. YOU GET A KA! YOU GET A KA! YOU GET A KA! Every forum member gets a Ka!" 19:40 < Teceler> pfft 19:40 < Teceler> ...um, he might want to ask their permission first 19:41 < Faceless> he was thinking more in terms of OTC currency that they could withdrawn 19:42 < Teceler> ah 19:42 < Faceless> since he is likely to do that as a emotional response he is unlikely to think of asking first, but there is that. 19:42 < Teceler> 'a ka in credit' works yeah. 19:43 < Teceler> 'actually deliver a ka to this person' um. at least one of my characters would be /extremely upset/ about that. (admittedly mostly because they've been carefully avoiding the OTC but) 19:44 < Faceless> I can work with "a ka in credit" 19:45 < Teceler> I mean, that /could/ be an interesting plot (I would have to check with Evenstar about what /actually/ happens there to be sure) 19:45 < Teceler> but you have a very cross character either way XD 19:47 < Faceless> who would that be? 19:47 < Faceless> I have the impression that the OTC would assume or at least ask that was Ka in credit 20:22 -!- nobody has joined #backstage 20:22 < Faceless> hi nobody o/ 20:23 < Teceler> huh 20:23 < Teceler> --oh Faceless I never saw your question oops 20:23 < Teceler> *didn't see 20:24 < Faceless> its okay 20:24 * nobody lurks, considers making a MWF account 20:25 < Teceler> that is a thing you could do, if you so desired 20:26 < Teceler> Faceless: Cassiel has been avoiding the OTC because basically... his world has terrible gods. (well, he mantains that 'his world has gods' basically says that, but nevermind that for the moment) 20:27 < Faceless> nobody wants to be adressed directly? 20:28 < Teceler> ...oops. 20:28 < nobody> is k 20:29 < Teceler> okay good 20:29 < Teceler> welcome to #backstage! 20:30 < Faceless> Teceler, I am going with the "Ka credit thing" to make things clear, maybe some argument with CFW might add some contingencies like "just for the first 100 members that decided to take it" or something like that 20:30 < Faceless> Nobody is welcome to backstage! 20:30 < Faceless> Nobody can talk in backstage 20:30 < Teceler> um 20:30 < Teceler> Faceless that is confusing 20:30 < Faceless> Nobody can leave backstage when they want 20:30 < Teceler> Faceless 20:30 < Faceless> Teceler, what is confusing? 20:31 < nobody> that's irritating 20:31 -!- nobody is now known as notinvolved 20:31 < Faceless> I will stop now 20:31 < Faceless> sorry 20:31 < Teceler> Faceless: nobody-the-person vs. nobody-in-the-sense-of-'no one' 20:31 < Faceless> ok, sorry again. 20:31 < Faceless> urgh 20:32 < Faceless> Really, I am sorry 20:32 -!- scroungerkate has joined #backstage 20:32 < scroungerkate> isn't homework fun? 20:32 < Teceler> Faceless: okay. I would oocly have been fine with the alternative assuming OTC interacting with that world doesn't actually do what Cassiel thinks it would, but 20:33 < Teceler> scroungerkate: hahahahahahaha no. 20:34 < Teceler> well 20:34 < scroungerkate> I'd better get back to it. 20:34 < Teceler> occasionally fun homework exists but 20:34 < Teceler> good luck? 20:34 -!- scroungerkate has quit 20:34 < Faceless> urgh, the brownser did I thing 20:34 < Faceless> ah, missed scrounger 20:34 < Faceless> anyway, what is the problem with gods in Cassiel's world? 20:37 < notinvolved> a character I make would be painfully generic 20:38 < Teceler> Faceless: lemme put it this way: one of the two heavily worshipped 'good' gods grants their high priests citywide magical cancellation of dissent/unhappiness with the ruler 20:40 < Faceless> Teceler, what the bad gods do? 20:40 < Teceler> (the evil gods are even worse) 20:40 < Teceler> pft timing 20:40 < Teceler> um 20:41 < Faceless> notinvolved? I know that feeling. Do you want to trade ideas? 20:41 < notinvolved> ow 20:43 < notinvolved> Xom is weird 20:43 < notinvolved> interesting weird 20:43 < Teceler> ssh you'll summon him :P 20:43 * Xom roars with laughter 20:43 < Teceler> jokes aside, yes 20:43 < Teceler> pfft 20:43 < Faceless> hahaha he just wants to play with his playthings 20:44 < Xom> you did actually summon me by the way 20:45 < Faceless> oh noes! 20:47 < Teceler> Faceless: well let's see there's the part where at least one of them encourages human sacrifice. the part where they collectively have a set up to literally kidnap (forcibly or by trickery) ghosts to torture and brainwash them into working for them. There's the part where one of them is deliberately causing a neutral god to have nightmares resulting in a brainwashing-heavy religion with strong chthonic themes 20:47 * Teceler thinks. 20:47 < Faceless> chthonic? 20:47 < Faceless> and yeah what is the name of this fantastic little world? 20:48 < Xom> these gods sound terrible 20:48 < Teceler> source material is Fall from Heaven II, implemented as a mod of Civilization IV 20:48 < Teceler> and yes they kind of are. (the world has have a few non-terrible gods but) 20:48 < Teceler> *does have 20:48 < Xom> it's like the evil gods from my world are better than the good gods from that one 20:49 < Teceler> well 20:49 < Teceler> to be fair I did pick the most ethically dubious of the 'good' gods 20:49 < Teceler> at least that immediately occurred to me, moment 20:51 < Xom> yes but i mean the evil gods of zot are (Beogh, Yredelemnul, Lugonu, Kikubaaqugdgha, and Makhleb (according to Zin, Elyvilon, and TSO) 20:51 < Xom> good i accidentally copied an extra open paren 20:51 < Teceler> put 20:51 < Teceler> *pft 20:51 < Teceler> ) 20:52 < Xom> and the worst of them just sort of like death and destruction 20:52 * Teceler nods. 20:52 < Faceless> http://fallfromheaven.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page 20:53 < Xom> i mean, beogh is a racist asshole too but 20:53 < Teceler> like, two of the good gods (Lugus and Sirona) are fairly non-objectionable 20:54 < Xom> yeah 20:56 < Xom> equality and wisdom 20:56 -!- notinvolved has quit 20:57 < Faceless> who is the one that brainwashes? 20:57 < Teceler> um 20:58 < Teceler> of which group? 20:59 < Xom> presumably junil? 20:59 < Teceler> oh 21:00 < Teceler> Unyielding Order is only /sorta/ brainwashing. (basically magically enforced lack of dissent and crime and corruption) 21:00 < Teceler> but that's Junil, yeah 21:00 < Xom> nobody really brainwashes over here except maaaaybe elyvilon 21:00 < Faceless> I am not entirely sure how you get that without brainwashing 21:00 < Faceless> or at least body control a la Regent from Worm 21:00 < Teceler> Faceless: I mean, define 'brainwashing' 21:01 < Xom> but magically making an offer of peace more enticing in proportion to the offerer's invocations skill is about the most benign almost-brainwashing you could have 21:02 < Teceler> ha 21:03 < Xom> and you could also interpret that as them just recognizing your skill at healing and deciding to let you go 21:03 * Teceler considers whether Unyielding Order would prevent people /leaving/ the city, in-universe. 21:03 * Teceler leans toward no 21:04 < Xom> as long as they file the proper paperwork, right? 21:04 < Teceler> pft 21:04 < Teceler> yeah 21:04 * Xom grumbles about order gods 21:05 < Teceler> the problem is that Junil's following /is/ one of the most effective at fighting the evil gods, who are, um. [waves hands vaguely at the earlier partial list] 21:05 < Xom> actually i just realized 21:05 < Teceler> and they're even not destroying the world in the process nearly so much now! 21:05 < Xom> fall from heaven II is a civ 4 mod right? doesn't civ 4 have an emigration mechanic? 21:05 < Teceler> (note: this war may still be slowly destroying the world) 21:05 < Xom> there may actually be a canon answer 21:05 < Teceler> I don't /think/ so 21:06 < Teceler> well 21:06 < Teceler> for /units/ sorta 21:06 < Faceless> Cassiel is too scare to ask for refuge to another world? 21:06 < Xom> i thought if your happiness was low enough 21:06 * Teceler thinks. 21:06 < Teceler> I thiiink that just works as low happiness -> less food production -> starvation 21:07 < Xom> wait no that wasn't in civ 4 it was in civ 2 and 3 though iirc 21:07 < Teceler> Faceless: are they proposing to evacuate /everyone in his world/? 21:07 < Xom> and it was entire cities flipping 21:07 < Teceler> oh right 21:07 < Teceler> yeah cities can cultureflip 21:07 < Xom> the civ 4 mod that i've played the most of was final frontier anyway 21:08 < Teceler> ...and I don't /think/ this would prevent that, expect for that iirc unhappy cities flip more easily 21:08 < Teceler> I've found Rise and Fall of Civilization and Fall From Heaven both pretty good 21:08 < Teceler> ...and now I kind of want to go play FFH great XD 21:09 < Xom> probably the reason i liked final frontier so much was not having to decide where to put cities 21:09 < Teceler> ha 21:09 < Xom> a tile is either the center of a star system or it isn't 21:09 * Teceler nods. 21:10 < Faceless> Teceler, evacuate only Cassiel and immediate relevant people 21:10 < Teceler> ...okay I vaguely remember city placement being really hard to start with but apparantly it's become 'not so much' now huh 21:10 < Teceler> Faceless: he refuses 21:12 < Teceler> ...okay relevant thing here may be that Cassiel is fairly heavily involved in running a religiously-neutral (slight understatement, although, like, they don't turn away religious folks, it's just their cultural philosophy is fairly... anti-religious) country 21:15 < Faceless> ah 21:15 < Faceless> and how he manages that? 21:15 < Teceler> hm? 21:17 < Faceless> how he manages to have a religiously neutral country? 21:17 < Teceler> ah 21:19 < Teceler> actually fairly well 21:21 < Teceler> helped by the tendency of the more strongly aligned ones to priorities wiping out their opposite numbers, and the deterrent/defensive utility of being probably only second to the nation whose magic is their primary thing in that field 21:23 < Xom> you know what's funny that i just realized? atheists are pretty rare in zot (usually only demigods and people doing challenge runs are atheist) BUT the gods of zot can model atheists from other worlds pretty easily as typical okawaru worshipers 21:23 < Teceler> pft 21:23 < Teceler> why? 21:23 < Faceless> okawaru? 21:23 < Xom> just how little okawaru's followers care about the fact that okawaru is a god 21:23 < Teceler> pfffft 21:25 < Xom> strategically speaking, 'worshiping' okawaru pretty much boils down to forgetting he exists 21:25 < Xom> but having a couple weird habits 21:25 < Teceler> pft 21:26 < Teceler> why? 21:26 < Faceless> he is god of what? 21:26 < Xom> basically the only way to please okawaru is to sacrifice corpses and the only way to anger him is to kill an ally 21:27 < Xom> and then the only things he does for you are weapon/armor gifts and a couple of minor combat boosts 21:27 < Xom> god of honorable combat 21:27 < Teceler> ...ah, so if you don't want to deal with gods, he is good for that? 21:27 < Xom> basically 21:27 < Xom> at least if you're not a spellcaster 21:28 < Xom> i should not that i don't actually mean atheists in worlds where gods don't or might not exist, but fantasy atheists 21:29 < Teceler> naytheists 21:29 < Xom> yeah 21:29 < Xom> people who acknowledge that what their societies call gods exist but they just don't want to bother 21:30 < Xom> like Cassiel 21:30 < Xom> although also depending on the context and the god, zot gods on hearing someone is an atheist, might assume they're a demigod 21:32 < Xom> since that's the #1 reason to actually not worship a god in the dungeon of zot 21:32 < Xom> given that okawaru exists if you just don't want to deal with gods 21:33 < Xom> or closest equivalent for spellcasters would probably be sif muna who just cares about you increasing your magic skill 21:33 < Faceless> why demigods can't worship? 21:33 < Xom> demigods can't worship any gods yeah 21:33 < Xom> the tradeoff for this is that they have the highest stats and stat growth of any race 21:34 < Xom> they're still considered a very difficult race 21:35 < Teceler> well. Cassiel is kind of more 'the gods are actively detrimental to people and that is enabled by worshiping them' than 'not wanting to bother' 21:35 < Faceless> huh 21:35 < Faceless> has he met Rae? 21:36 < Teceler> in passing in the religion thread 21:36 < Xom> teceler: and most okawaru worshipers pick him because every other god would be actively detrimental to their strategy 21:36 < Teceler> ha 21:39 < Xom> ESPECIALLY me 21:40 < Teceler> pft 21:40 < Teceler> yeah I bet 21:47 -!- scroungerkate has joined #backstage 21:48 * scroungerkate looks around 21:48 < Xom> boo 21:48 < Teceler> hello again 21:48 < Teceler> we were talking about how Cassiel's world is terrible 21:48 < Faceless> hello again 21:48 < Teceler> and Zot 21:48 < scroungerkate> Xom is... Interesting. 21:49 < scroungerkate> What of his posts I could understand. 21:49 < Xom> i'm glad you think so 21:54 < Faceless> so, scroungerkate, how is kate's life like now? 21:56 < scroungerkate> fun fact scroungerkate was inspired by but ended up not really at all based on The Flame in the Flood https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNm0u_XxHJ4 21:57 < scroungerkate> kate's life is a vaguely dangerous daily adventure through ruined towns and cities. 21:58 < scroungerkate> that's why she wants antibiotics, rope, boots, and I should edit it to include Ro9L 21:59 < scroungerkate> can't edit upstream comments, probably sensible or you could edit out an insult and make the other guy look like a fool 21:59 < scroungerkate> when he responded 21:59 < scroungerkate> faceless ur question answered 22:01 < Faceless> that game sounded so depressing, but good 22:03 < Xom> you know what would be a good character for me to play? someone from space pirates and zombies 22:03 < Faceless> that is a game? 22:03 < Xom> it's a pretty good game 22:06 < scroungerkate> SPAZ was interesting in the same way Xom is interesting. It'd be a good fit for you. 22:06 < Xom> xom's actually not the best fit character for me 22:06 < Xom> i played him way out of canon 22:06 < Xom> viridian was a better fit 22:07 < Faceless> what he is like in canon? 22:07 < scroungerkate> It's pretty depressing faceless. I survived 197 days, fully upgraded raft, bear clothes everything, and finally succumbed to the game throwing three no-rain, no-well, slow-river biomes at me in a row 22:07 < Xom> a little more parental, a little more serious in how he speaks 22:07 < Faceless> scroungerkate how much of that game survived to the current kate? 22:07 < Xom> i basically played the sort of person who would have their character worship xom instead of xom 22:07 < Teceler> pft 22:08 < Faceless> Xom, what viridian has been up to? 22:08 < scroungerkate> mostly just the 'flooded-out wandering scrounger' bit 22:08 < Xom> presumably, going home and fixing things 22:08 < Faceless> (you only have a life in the flame in the flood?) 22:08 < Xom> i dropped the story right as his problems were about to be fixed 22:08 < scroungerkate> yup, rougelite 22:09 < scroungerkate> it's early access even, so not yet winnable 22:10 < scroungerkate> wolves are nasty 22:11 < scroungerkate> if you hear howling, LEAVE unless you are literally about to die if you do. 22:12 < Faceless> urgh 22:13 < scroungerkate> some people don't like such games. I do. 22:14 < Faceless> i was thinking more in terms of what SK went through 22:15 < scroungerkate> Limited raft size is a pain too. SK could not bring along enough food, water, tools, unless she wanted the raft to get stuck on shallows. So she relied on rain, on finding wells, on scrounging yucca and dandelions or snare-trapping rabbits, and on a water filter that broke a month and a half into her journey. 22:17 < Faceless> urgh 22:17 < Faceless> ITL was thinking of offering a bag of holding 22:18 < Xom> if only SK was around when the choko 22:18 < Xom> those things are incredibly filling 22:19 < Faceless> choko? 22:19 < Teceler> pft 22:19 < Teceler> Faceless: when Xom sent everyone chokos 22:20 < Xom> mother starlight and the council don't let xom do things like that anymore :( 22:21 < Faceless> what is a choko? 22:21 < Faceless> there is a council? 22:21 < Teceler> in Zot 22:21 < Xom> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chayote 22:21 <@Sonata> a choko is a type of bland vegetable 22:23 < Xom> the council is my handwavy explanation for why the gods in zot act so predictably 22:23 < Faceless> chuchu! 22:29 < scroungerkate> SK's current inventory (jars as a standard unit ~16oz, not specific containers): 14 jars of clean water, 5 jars of gasoline, a jar of preserved fever-tea, a bow, 22 arrows, 8 lbs jerky, 3 cooked rabbits, 3 rabbit skins, nice warm wolf-pelt clothes, two snare-traps, a set of stainless steel cookware and three bottles of booze from someone's underwater kitchen 22:30 < Faceless> My internal ITL is squimming with simpathy and desiring to invite SK to immigrate to his universe, though the situation would be too good to her to believe to be true. 22:31 < scroungerkate> yeah 22:32 < scroungerkate> oh, and her dog carries medical supplies. bandages, pennicillin (used kill bacteria! It's not very effective!), splints and aloe. 22:32 < Faceless> there aren't any communities around? Places to settle anywhere? a lift to that and a way to send regular supplies would be more interesting, maybe 22:34 < scroungerkate> There are, she doesn't like them since it's hard work all day to pull life from the ground and build a city back up. Scrounging is easier, just also more risky. 22:34 -!- kappabeta has joined #backstage 22:34 -!- mode/#backstage [+o kappabeta] by ChanServ 22:34 < scroungerkate> kappabeta must be someone important, if they got OP 22:34 <@kappabeta> hah 22:35 <@Sonata> hello kappa! 22:35 < Faceless> hi kappa o/ 22:35 < Teceler> hello kappa 22:35 <@kappabeta> i came here pretty much entirely to yell about gregorcap 22:35 <@kappabeta> lambda what have you done 22:35 < scroungerkate> I see I was correct 22:35 < Faceless> (kappa co-writes Effulgence, not sure if you are familiar with that?) 22:35 <@Sonata> eee 22:35 <@kappabeta> <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 22:35 < Xom> kappa: boo 22:35 < Faceless> gregorcap? 22:35 < Faceless> is that like gregod? 22:35 <@Sonata> I thought of the phrase "on va vor" and it sort of snowballed from there 22:35 <@kappabeta> sonata went on alicorn's forum and suggested that i make a template blend between gregor vorbarra and steve rogers 22:35 < Faceless> pft 22:35 <@kappabeta> and like 22:35 <@kappabeta> oh my god?! 22:35 < Teceler> ...oh dear. 22:35 <@kappabeta> XDDD 22:36 < Faceless> (now I get it!) 22:36 < scroungerkate> oh is this the glow fic people were talking about 22:36 < Faceless> yup 22:36 < scroungerkate> can has link? 22:36 < Faceless> http://edgeofyourseat.dreamwidth.org/2121.html 22:36 <@Sonata> http://alicorn.elcenia.com/board/index.php might also be of some interest 22:36 < Faceless> there is also http://glowfic.dreamwidth.org/ 22:37 < Faceless> actually, scroungerkate, how did you became aware of the MWF if you don't mind asking? 22:37 < scroungerkate> my cousing kept insisting it was cool 22:37 < Xom> yeah, most people got here from alicorn forum rather than the other way around, so it's interesting to see someone find the MWF first 22:38 < Faceless> yeah, that is the background assumption 22:38 < Xom> please feel welcome 22:38 <@Sonata> Indeed, welcome. 22:38 < Faceless> Actually is the MWF "advertized" anywhere else? 22:38 < Faceless> sed* 22:39 <@kappabeta> who wants me to continue yelling about gregorcap 22:39 < Teceler> it sounds interesting! 22:39 < Xom> please do 22:39 < scroungerkate> oh my god Jinx is on MWF. I should be Ekko. 22:39 <@kappabeta> Okay so, we've met StevenChainsaws now 22:39 < Faceless> kappabeta, please do yell 22:40 <@Sonata> I want to hear about yelling yes 22:40 <@kappabeta> StevenChainsaws are extra double chocolate fucked up because they are a blend of two templates who are each individually fucked up, and whose fucked up personalities synergize into someone even more fucked up 22:40 < Faceless> :( 22:40 <@kappabeta> like in a lot of ways they run on a more even keel than either of the templates do solo? 22:40 <@kappabeta> but holy hell, the shit going on under the surface 22:41 * Faceless wants to hug StevenChainsaws 22:41 <@kappabeta> anyway so but gregorcap though 22:41 <@Sonata> i am not great at theory-of-mind but i kind of feel like gregor plus cap equals miles, more or less 22:41 <@kappabeta> Gregor's character arc is essentially "ludicrously depressed, does the thing anyway, eventually reaches a place where he is okay and happy" 22:42 <@kappabeta> Cap's character arc can be summarized from several different angles but one of them is kind of... "driven to do the thing no matter the cost to himself, ends up ludicrously depressed and doing the thing anyway" 22:42 -!- notinvolved has joined #backstage 22:42 <@kappabeta> these things don't mesh well 22:42 <@Sonata> oh. oh dear. 22:43 < Teceler> oh dear. 22:43 <@Sonata> um. 22:43 < Teceler> hello again notinvolved 22:43 <@Sonata> do the overlapping things have to /stack/? can't they just. overlap? 22:43 * notinvolved continues to not be involved 22:43 < Faceless> oh dear x3 22:43 <@kappabeta> they both have that essential characteristic of feeling a strong pull to fulfill certain duties, whether self-imposed or externally imposed 22:43 < Xom> quick question, does this break anything: ᕕ┌◕ᗜ◕┐ᕗ HELLLOOOO ᕕ┌◕ᗜ◕┐ᕗ 22:43 <@kappabeta> i see many squares 22:43 < Teceler> define 'break anything' 22:43 <@Sonata> looks ok to me, Xom 22:43 < Teceler> oh 22:43 < scroungerkate> squares, yep 22:43 < Teceler> I am not getting squares 22:43 < Faceless> not to me xom 22:44 <@Sonata> like, "driven to do the thing no matter the cost to himself, ends up ludicrously depressed and doing the thing anyway, eventually reaches a place where he is okay and happy"? 22:44 < Xom> ok so people don't have the glyphs but it isn't actually ruinous got it 22:44 < Teceler> but I went on an anti-squares campaign a while back and made sure the character sets on this computer are pretty complete 22:44 <@kappabeta> sonata: Steve doesn't *start out* ludicrously depressed 22:44 <@Sonata> I think I have all the glyphs 22:44 <@kappabeta> but a gregorcap *would* 22:44 < Teceler> kappabeta: well 22:45 < Xom> sonata: it should be a cute robot 22:45 -!- LIEUTENANTMAJORGENERALCOLNEL has joined #backstage 22:45 < Teceler> hm 22:45 < Teceler> ... 22:45 < Teceler> well that's new 22:45 < LIEUTENANTMAJORGENERALCOLNEL> wrong channel 22:45 <@Sonata> I...don't see why, kappa? 22:45 < Teceler> ah 22:45 -!- LIEUTENANTMAJORGENERALCOLNEL has quit 22:45 < Xom> well 22:45 <@kappabeta> what don't you see why, sonata? 22:45 < Xom> WELL 22:45 * Xom roars with laughter 22:45 <@Sonata> why the cap can't set up the conditions for the gregor 22:46 < notinvolved> ohh, effulgence explains what a "square of pain" is 22:46 <@kappabeta> because of how template blends, like, work 22:46 < notinvolved> in OTC's catalog 22:46 <@kappabeta> hee 22:46 <@Sonata> ah 22:46 < Xom> i should reread effulgence sometime 22:46 < Xom> for the third time 22:46 < notinvolved> jesus, coins + masochist? totally op, nerf plz riot 22:46 <@kappabeta> snrk 22:47 < Xom> more like 'totally op, rito buff plz' 22:47 <@kappabeta> a template blend is essentially... "overlay this personality on that personality, and this attractor set on that attractor set, and smooth out the parts where they conflict" 22:47 < scroungerkate> no spoilers? I just became aware of the thing existing 22:47 < notinvolved> ok sry 22:47 <@Sonata> ok, so starts depressed, gets driven into something that makes him /even more/ depressed (Mial on early esu? even more so than that?), eventually gets better? 22:48 <@kappabeta> well, "starts depressed" and "gets driven into something that makes him even more depressed" definitely both apply 22:48 < Xom> oh also, if you're just starting to read effulgence maybe you might want to read luminosity 22:48 < Teceler> oh dear. 22:49 < Xom> http://luminous.elcenia.com/ 22:49 <@kappabeta> the thing that makes me wary of trying to get a gregorcap to fully click in my head is that I'm not totally sure I see a way out 22:49 < scroungerkate> these names and words are kinda meaningless. Should I leave to avoid spoilers? 22:49 < Faceless> should we rec HPMOR? 22:49 < scroungerkate> I've read HPMOR 22:49 < Faceless> scroungerkate it might take sometime until these names become relevant, it depends how fast you read and remember things? 22:49 < notinvolved> what's HPMOR? 22:49 < Xom> luminosity explains where the personality of bella that features in effulgence comes from 22:49 < Xom> i don't think anything that's *been* said is spoilers 22:50 < scroungerkate> http://hpmor.com/ 22:50 < Xom> i am literally squeeing over people getting introduced to things 22:51 < Faceless> xD 22:51 < Faceless> scroungerkate where did you cousin knew MWF from? 22:52 < scroungerkate> He lurks and reads it, finds it amusing 22:52 <@Sonata> you might want to leave to avoid spoilers, yeah 22:52 < scroungerkate> and now I know what the 'glowfic' he rants about is, too 22:52 <@Sonata> I am glad we have an audience! 22:52 < Xom> being amusing is basically the point right 22:52 <@Sonata> of course! 22:52 < Teceler> it is certainly one of the points 22:52 < Xom> i think we're accomplishing our mission statement 22:53 -!- rockeye_stonetoe has joined #backstage 22:53 < Faceless> hi rockeye 22:53 < Teceler> scroungerkate: you are your cousin are welcome 22:53 < Teceler> hello rockeye 22:53 < rockeye_stonetoe> what is up 22:53 < Faceless> owah, it is getting busy here tonight :D 22:53 < notinvolved> omg HPMOR is hilarious so far 22:53 < notinvolved> leaving to read it 22:54 -!- notinvolved has quit 22:54 < rockeye_stonetoe> you found hpmor huh? 22:54 < rockeye_stonetoe> oh he left 22:54 < Teceler> multiple new people 22:54 < Faceless> it is okay, he was mostly lurking 22:54 < Teceler> and a kappa 22:54 < Faceless> yup 22:55 < Faceless> kappabeta was talking about a Gregor Vor-[name] and Steve Rogers blend 22:55 <@kappabeta> hehe 22:55 < Teceler> Vorbarra 22:56 < Faceless> yeah, that name 22:56 < Faceless> (I cant remember them) 22:56 < Xom> one of these days i'm going to write a story about the city on the compass rose 22:56 < Faceless> would a Gregocap get a Milesbucky to compliment? 22:56 < Teceler> ... 22:56 -!- rockeye has joined #backstage 22:56 < scroungerkate> comcast is very unreliable today... 22:56 < Faceless> Xom, the what in the what? 22:56 * Teceler is now trying to imagine that 22:56 < rockeye> godammit comcast stop DCing me... 22:56 <@Sonata> Markbucky seems more likely I think? 22:57 <@Sonata> because the whole assassin thing 22:57 -!- scroungerkate has quit 22:57 < Xom> faceless, it's a setting idea i had inspired by slatestarcodex's map of the rationalist community, of all things 22:57 -!- scroungerkate has joined #backstage 22:57 <@Sonata> although that might be too many personality in one person 22:57 < Teceler> Sonata: mm, depends on which continuity you go with 22:57 < Faceless> meh, I was just suggesting because of the facecast 22:57 < scroungerkate> changed browsers, don't mind me 22:57 -!- scroungerkate has quit 22:57 < Teceler> wb 22:57 < Teceler> ... 22:57 < Faceless> Xom, oooh doo eet xD 22:57 -!- scroungerkate has joined #backstage 22:58 < scroungerkate> ok it should working now 22:58 < scroungerkate> be* 22:58 < Xom> basically the idea is someone had some superpower/magic that let them selectively ignore the difference between the map and the territory 22:58 < Xom> so they built a utopian city, as you do 22:58 < Teceler> pfft 22:58 < rockeye> That is a scary thought 22:58 < Teceler> sorry that description 22:59 < scroungerkate> what the hell does it mean anyway? fix your map? 22:59 < Faceless> I am siding with rockeye, that is scary 22:59 -!- rockeye_stonetoe has quit 22:59 < Faceless> scroungekate that is a rationalist term... 22:59 < Xom> basically what if the mayor of a city was a reality warper 22:59 < Faceless> Territory = Reality. Map = What you know or believe about Reality 23:00 <@Sonata> and you can sort of behave as though your misconceptions/simplifications/theories were true? 23:00 < Teceler> ...I'm not sure if that's a rationalist-specific thing. at least the metaphor in general, if not that specific mapping 23:00 < Xom> yeah 23:00 < scroungerkate> segmentation fault - attempted to allocate brainpower in excess of attention span - reverting to League of Legends mode 23:00 < Teceler> ...also okay that is a lot more concerning with that context 23:00 < Teceler> pft 23:00 < rockeye> ha 23:00 < Teceler> um, good luck? 23:01 < Xom> so far the musing's i've had about it mostly use it as a milliways alternative 23:01 -!- scroungerkate has quit 23:01 < Xom> *musings 23:01 < Xom> why did i type an extra apostrophe? nobody know's 23:02 < rockeye> I've been imagining a Cape tinker screaming FTL! FTL! FTL! at the top of her lungs and alarming everyone nearby. 23:02 < rockeye> who knows what it means 23:03 < rockeye> how does one access the chatlogs BTW? 23:03 < Xom> i believe they're posted on the forum in the forum's backstage? 23:03 <@Sonata> yeah 23:03 < Faceless> for this chat? you go to backstage 23:03 < Teceler> that yeah 23:03 < Faceless> yeah, what xom said 23:03 -!- rockeye_duplicate_for_testing_ has joined #backstage 23:03 -!- rockeye_duplicate_for_testing_ has quit 23:03 < rockeye> you can have two connections open, huh 23:04 < Xom> well yeah 23:04 < Xom> irc in general allows that 23:04 -!- Faceless is now known as FacelessDude 23:05 -!- rockeye is now known as Steel 23:05 < FacelessDude> Hi Steel! 23:06 * Steel is still rockeye, just pretending 23:06 < Xom> but yeah the biggest inspiration for the city on the compass rose was the comment about "They said the map is not the territory, so we built a city on the compass rose and proved them wrong" 23:06 < FacelessDude> How is the bluestream today? 23:06 < Teceler> pft 23:06 * Steel is also bored and going to league of legends 23:06 < FacelessDude> pft 23:06 * Steel well maybe world of tanks instead 23:06 -!- Steel has quit 23:06 < Xom> have fun 23:06 < Teceler> enj--oh too late 23:07 < FacelessDude> Xom, so continuing with the city? 23:08 < Xom> It probably isn't a good setting for glowfic/MWF as such, since the interuniversal-hub use of it involves canon-puncturing 23:10 < Teceler> hm? 23:10 <@Sonata> I should go to bed 23:10 <@Sonata> goodnight all 23:10 < Teceler> sleep well 23:11 < Xom> being able to mix up the map and the territory means, among other things, if you have a map of a place you can go there even if the map should be fiction 23:11 < Teceler> ...ah 23:11 <@Sonata> kappa, please only do gregorcap if you see a way to a happy ending, he deserves one 23:11 < Teceler> yeah that's not going to work well unless you invoke literary agent hypothesis heavily 23:11 <@kappabeta> <3 23:12 < Xom> literary agent hypothesis and/or 'existence is what mathematical possibility feels like from the inside' 23:12 <@kappabeta> goodnight sonata, and yes 23:12 -!- Sonata has quit 23:12 < FacelessDude> goodnight sonata 23:12 < FacelessDude> ah, missed again 23:12 < Xom> goodnight so 23:12 < Xom> ... 23:12 <@kappabeta> i should go to bed too. goodnight friends 23:12 < Xom> well 23:12 < FacelessDude> darn this pained finger 23:12 < Xom> goodnight kappa 23:12 < Teceler> sleep well kappa 23:12 < FacelessDude> kappabeta sleep well 23:12 -!- kappabeta has left #backstage 23:12 <@Adelene> In completely unrelated news, if I find a way of doing it would anyone be interested in a weekly movie night on Saturdays? 23:12 < Xom> what sort of weekly movie night 23:13 * Teceler contemplates. 23:13 < Xom> mst3k-style? 23:13 < Teceler> pft 23:13 <@Adelene> I'm not interested in mst3k style personally, but we could have multiple chat channels I guess. 23:13 < FacelessDude> I second the question, but that sounds like a good idea? 23:13 < Xom> because there are some people i follow that do a weekly anime nite where they watch bad anime and joke about it 23:13 < Xom> or sometimes good anime 23:14 <@Adelene> I wasn't thinking about this in much more detail than 'movie watched simultaneously with chat'. 23:14 < Xom> hmm 23:14 <@Adelene> (I even have a movie list, but it's /my/ movie list and I imagine not all of it will be popular with other people.) 23:15 < Xom> i think the main thing i meant by 'mst3k-style' was 'includes talking over it' 23:15 <@Adelene> I mean, I'm not thinking voice chat here, I don't do voice chat at all. 23:15 < Xom> yeah that's fair 23:16 < FacelessDude> I am totally out of voice chat 23:16 <@Adelene> If other people want to do voice chat I don't care though. 23:16 < FacelessDude> I barely have courage to speak my own native portuguese 23:16 < FacelessDude> you guys wouldn't understand a thing of my english 23:16 < Xom> the anime nite i watch is an event with like >50 people there usually and people who are the hosts 23:16 < FacelessDude> you people* 23:16 < Xom> so it would probably be very different 23:17 <@Adelene> ('you guys' is actually the thing you want, there, Faceless - 'you people' comes across as rude.) 23:17 < Teceler> well 23:18 < FacelessDude> Adelene, wait, really? huh 23:18 < FacelessDude> words are so weird 23:18 < Teceler> 'you guys' is arguably gendered ('arguably' because usage is frequently not so much) 23:18 <@Adelene> 'you guys' is informal and some people don't like it for gender reasons, but, yeah, 'you people' has its own worse problems. 23:18 < Xom> yeah, 'you guys' is gendered but 'you people' sounds like you dislike the people in question 23:18 < Teceler> 'you folks'? 23:18 < Xom> it's weird 23:19 * Adelene makes sad trumpet noise as Into The Woods fails to download. 23:20 < FacelessDude> :/ 23:20 < Xom> http://instantrimshot.com/index.php?sound=priceiswrong 23:21 < Xom> that sad trumpet? 23:21 < FacelessDude> AHUAHAUAUAH 23:23 <@Adelene> it seems disinclined to play for me, but probably. 23:25 < FacelessDude> :/ 23:34 * Adelene finishes queueing, pokes list, nods. 23:34 < FacelessDude> ? 23:34 <@Adelene> Oh 23:34 -!- scroungerkate has joined #backstage 23:35 < FacelessDude> hi again SK o 23:35 <@Adelene> Even if nobody else wants to watch with me, I'm going to start doing a ~weekly movie night myself. And knowing my brain, if I don't have a specific plan for what to watch when, I won't do the thing, so I made one and am now downloading the things I want for it. 23:36 < Xom> if you ping me when you do the thing i'll *probably* attend 23:36 * scroungerkate would like to know how one initiates a glowfic 23:37 < FacelessDude> scroungerkate you have to be initiated in our dark rituals 23:37 <@Adelene> (I say ~weekly 'cause I'm also doing Sonata's seasonal holidays thing and haven't planned movies for the 8 Saturdays assigned to that or to any Saturday that is the 5th Saturday of a month. It's still quite a few.) 23:37 < FacelessDude> such as making a dreamwidth account 23:37 <@Adelene> (Not all of 'em are movies though.) 23:37 < Xom> can confirm that making a dreamwidth account is a dark ritual 23:37 <@Adelene> I will look into it and post on alicornutopia maybe. 23:37 < Teceler> well, depends on if you're poking an existing multi-shot box, or an freestanding sandbox, or part of a continuity (such as playing out an off-forum interaction) 23:38 < Teceler> oh dear. 23:38 < FacelessDude> but seriously, what do would like to know exactly scroungerkate 23:38 < Teceler> generally if you have a specific idea in mind you ask anyone that would imply or generally 23:39 < FacelessDude> scroungerkate, you need a co-author and you sort of define a basic outline (or improv all the way) and then take from there by controlling the interactions between your characters? 23:41 < Teceler> I would say 'writing the interactions between your characters' 23:41 < Teceler> but otherwise yeah 23:41 < Teceler> you generally at least need a background 23:42 < Xom> well anyway i'm going back to lurkmode 23:43 < Xom> as usual, you can summon me by saying any of my names except my true name 23:43 < FacelessDude> what happens if we say your true name? 23:43 < Xom> nothing 23:43 < Teceler> enjoy your lurking 23:43 * Adelene remembers that Chitty Chitty Bang Bang exists, goes hmmmmmmmm, kicks Castle in the Sky from the list to free up a slot. 23:45 < Xom> actually i just configured my interface to alert me if someone says my true name as well 23:45 < Xom> not that any of you know it 23:50 * scroungerkate wants to go to elcenia 23:52 < FacelessDude> for a glowfic or just a general desire...? 23:52 < scroungerkate> shrug 23:56 < FacelessDude> were you familiar with it before? --- Day changed Sun Nov 08 2015 00:01 -!- scroungerkate has quit 00:11 < FacelessDude> gonna go sleep 00:11 < FacelessDude> good night o/ 00:11 < Teceler> sleep well 00:12 <@Adelene> Ok, here's a question, can you watch the movie at this link without having the file yourself? https://letsgaze.com/#/w/36a27ckxqvdeu3di 00:15 -!- FacelessDude has quit 00:46 -!- scroungerkate has joined #backstage 00:46 < scroungerkate> does OTC often forget to address parts of the thread? 00:46 < Teceler> sometimes they address things in different posts 00:56 -!- scroungerkate has quit 01:03 -!- lurkerkate has joined #backstage 01:03 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 01:03 -!- lurkerkate is now known as boredkate 01:09 -!- boredkate is now known as asleepkate 01:10 -!- asleepkate has quit 01:29 -!- MTC_ has joined #backstage 01:31 -!- MTC has quit 01:33 -!- MTC_ is now known as MTC 01:35 -!- MTC has quit 01:59 -!- MTC has joined #backstage
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Post by Mother Starlight on Nov 9, 2015 17:59:49 GMT
05:47 -!- MTC has quit 06:39 -!- Teceler has quit 08:52 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 09:29 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 09:29 < Faceless> O/ 09:37 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 09:37 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 09:44 < Faceless> hi sonata 09:44 <@Sonata> hi 10:28 < Faceless> sorry, went to food 10:28 < Faceless> how are things? 10:28 <@Sonata> good 11:34 -!- Teceler has joined #backstage 11:47 < Faceless> hi teceler 11:48 < Teceler> hey 11:48 < Teceler> my computer appears to have gotten unplugged overnight 11:51 < Faceless> by accident or sabotage (presumably by gnomes)? 11:52 < Teceler> ? 11:54 < Faceless> how the unplugging happened? 11:55 < Teceler> by way of the plug not being very secure 11:57 < Faceless> no signs of sabotage? 11:57 < Teceler> why would there be signs of sabotage 11:57 * Teceler is confused by this question 11:59 < Teceler> (this whole line of dicussion really) 11:59 < Faceless> I am being silly 12:00 < Teceler> that was not communicated very well 12:01 < Faceless> sorry 12:02 < Faceless> I thought that the gnomes comment would make it obvious 12:02 < Teceler> (also I am still waking up which might be related) 12:02 < Teceler> no that just confused me further XD 13:28 -!- Faceless has quit 14:06 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 14:12 < Faceless> hi 14:14 -!- scroungerkate has joined #backstage 14:15 < scroungerkate> sup 14:18 -!- Faceless has quit 15:10 -!- scroungerkate has quit 15:10 <@Sonata> hey 15:10 <@Sonata> :/ 15:11 < Teceler> ...well 15:28 -!- spqr has joined #backstage 15:28 -!- spqr has quit 16:17 -!- MTC has quit 16:32 < Teceler> I am going to shut down this computer while we try to work out what it is doing now 16:32 < Teceler> be back later\ 16:39 -!- Teceler has quit 17:04 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 17:04 < Faceless> hi 17:05 <@Sonata> hi 17:06 < Faceless> how are things? 17:11 <@Sonata> pretty good 17:12 < Faceless> SPQR... it is bad that my first thought was "percy jackson"? 17:14 <@Sonata> dunno, haven't seen it 17:14 <@Sonata> that's a Roman Empire thing, isn't it? 17:14 < Faceless> yeah 17:15 < Faceless> I think it is a term for a legion or the army or something along the lines 17:28 -!- genghiskhan has joined #backstage 17:28 < genghiskhan> this is a strange corner of the 'net 17:29 <@Sonata> Ain't it just? 17:31 -!- genghiskhan is now known as spqr 17:31 <@Sonata> haha, I suspected so 17:31 < Faceless> hi spqr 17:32 -!- Adelene has quit 17:32 -!- Adelene has joined #backstage 17:32 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Adelene] by ChanServ 17:34 < Faceless> So, SPQR what brings you to our strange corner of the net? 17:34 < spqr> Alicorn's forum 17:35 <@Sonata> Right on. 17:38 < Faceless> cool, are you a fan? 17:39 < spqr> ya 17:46 < Faceless> Ok, long time fan? have read what from her? 17:46 < Faceless> if you don't mind me asking 17:49 < Faceless> spqr, are you eva? 17:50 <@Sonata> haha 18:00 < spqr> was afk 18:00 < spqr> who's eva 18:01 <@Sonata> Someone who occasionally creates new characters without immediately admitting they're hers. 18:02 < Faceless> spqr what she says, and often she will come to the chat too? 18:02 < Faceless> at least she used to 18:02 < Faceless> and use the character's name but not admit her identity 18:02 < spqr> I'm not eva 18:05 < Faceless> okay 18:05 < Faceless> I asked because of some comments on the OTC thread 18:05 <@Sonata> anyway, what's up? 18:07 < spqr> got DC'd temporarily, did I miss anything? 18:07 < Faceless> DC'd? 18:07 < spqr> disconnected 18:07 < spqr> via the form of my little sister thinking it's funny to unplug the router 18:08 < Faceless> that is like the opposite of funny 18:08 < Faceless> internet: serious business 18:09 < spqr> no my reaction is what's funny 18:09 < spqr> apparently 18:10 -!- spqr has quit 18:11 <@Sonata> ...i has a confuse 18:11 < Faceless> how did you get a confuse? 18:12 <@Sonata> from my end, it looked like spqr only disconnected /after/ explaining how he'd just come back from being disconnected 18:12 <@Sonata> which is not how time 18:13 < Faceless> I figured that the second time was a separate disconnection 18:14 <@Sonata> seems reasonable 18:14 <@Sonata> just, looked funny 18:14 < Faceless> yup 18:31 < Faceless> I am debating if I do want to have ITL do the "Get a Ka" thing 18:42 -!- spqr has joined #backstage 18:45 -!- teceler has joined #backstage 18:45 * teceler mutters. 18:46 * spqr is board 18:46 < teceler> okay so -- 18:46 < spqr> *bored 18:46 -!- teceler is now known as teceler1 18:46 < Faceless> hi again 18:46 < Faceless> spqr sorry for you boredom 18:46 < teceler1> hey 18:47 < teceler1> the power connection thingy on my computer died 18:47 < Faceless> maybe you want to talk more about yourself or your characters? 18:47 < Faceless> teceler1 may it rest in peace 18:47 < teceler1> we've ordered a new one but it may take a while to get here 18:47 < teceler1> meanwhile I'm on this computer 18:48 * teceler1 grumbles at the keyboard 18:48 < Faceless> [hugs?] 18:48 < spqr> I ruined a USB port just now 18:49 < spqr> Hey those thingies it's often just one fried capacitor or loose wire 18:49 < spqr> I'd open it up if it was in front of me and probably fix it with a soldering iron 18:49 < spqr> but it's not 18:49 < teceler1> we tried reconnecting it 18:50 < teceler1> and broke the /other/ connection in the process 18:50 <@Sonata> :/ 18:50 < teceler1> also we don't have a soldering iron 18:50 < Faceless> :/ 18:55 < teceler1> ? 18:55 < Faceless> nothing, just expressing simpathy? 18:55 < teceler1> ah 18:56 -!- spqr is now known as legatus 18:59 -!- legatus has quit 19:12 < teceler1> hm 19:12 * teceler1 pokes Cassiel 19:15 < Faceless> what is up with cassiel? 19:17 < teceler1> he is having Opinions re: ITL and CFW's sibling's situation but has not informed me what if anything he wants to do regarding that (I don't think he can /do/ anything but whether he's going to say something mostly) 19:22 < Faceless> ooh, do tell his Opinions 19:23 < Faceless> (why are you still teceler1?) 19:23 < teceler1> because my password is saved on my computer and I don't remember offhand what it actually is 19:24 < teceler1> and... 19:24 * teceler1 tries to words. 19:25 <@Sonata> so you're using an alternate nick that isn't registered and therefore doesn't require your password? 19:26 < Faceless> I often go by faceless due to sheer laziness to typing the password xD 19:26 < Faceless> the adjectives are for amusement though 19:26 < Faceless> er, not adjectives, the [word] 19:27 < Faceless> Teceler1 can you at least tell if the Opinions are pro or against the twins? 19:27 < teceler1> ? 19:28 < teceler1> --with regards to the twins... [pokes at] he wants to know why they haven't done anything about this 19:28 < teceler1> (and then there's branching stuff depending on why) 19:30 < Faceless> it is one of those complicated international relations and guardianship rules. The Stormlands is pretty much it's own nation and claims custody of the sibling (who is in it's borders) 19:31 < teceler1> ...and that's all? 19:32 < Faceless> and the twins couldn't invade the place and take the kid by force? 19:32 < teceler1> can they not go there at all? 19:34 < Faceless> If they did before being 18, there might get claimed too. Now that they recognized as people, they could go there, but not necessarily get to see their siblings, specially in a situation where they could take the kid./Specially/ because they aren't sure the kid would want to come with them. 19:34 < teceler1> okay, so 19:35 < Faceless> also, taking the kid legally would be preferred as well. 19:36 < teceler1> if they had private communication with their sibling they could /ask/ if they wanted to staythere 19:37 < Faceless> They don't. 19:37 < teceler1> yeah, I got that 19:37 < teceler1> the idea was that they might be able to get that in the process of visiting 19:37 < teceler1> --also 19:37 < Faceless> and they do want to use the forum's resources to help the situation, they just haven't got around to that yet because Fenris wants to be cautious 19:38 < teceler1> they could ask MS to get her a forum connection (which depending on your OOC opinions may take however long you want) 19:40 < Faceless> I confess I haven't thought about that! <3 19:40 < teceler1> or ask the OTC to deliver a sending stone to her (her?) 19:41 < Faceless> goes by "her" now but eventually will settle in "they" so... dunno which to use 19:41 < teceler1> ...Cassiel could suggest that icly if you want 19:41 < Faceless> Sure, you call. 19:42 < Faceless> Fenris will like the idea but not necessarily implement it right away. He is the slow and steady type of guy 19:43 < Faceless> If MS gave hera forum connection would that connection happne through dreams too? Sonata? 19:43 <@Sonata> um. maybe? 19:44 < Faceless> intereeeesting 19:44 < Faceless> :D 19:44 <@Sonata> If it made sense to use dreams before, and the same reasons presumably still apply, then that would probably be the default unless there's some reason why not 19:44 < teceler1> sonata, while you're here, I have been reminded to send that pm from Cassiel to MS 19:47 <@Sonata> I don't remember what PM that is but getting PMs is always nice 19:48 < teceler1> about forum connections to specific people 19:49 <@Sonata> ah 19:49 < Faceless> Sonata, the Twins use dreams because they have a kind of dream-related magic, which the sibling doesn't have. For what I know of MS it wouldn't be all that unreasonable if she could replicate the connection somehow. I will think about it though 19:49 <@Sonata> the answer is 'in theory yes, but it may take arbitrary amounts of time depending on author whim' 19:49 * teceler1 sends. 19:50 < teceler1> oocly since I've worked out a way not to have to write for all the characters that this would resulting getting forum connections itworking is fine 19:50 < teceler1> *it working on a relevant time scale 19:51 <@Sonata> Faceless, it sounds like MS was taking advantage of a localized opportunity then, and if she's connecting to someone without dream-magic she'd fall back on something else. Possibly just a website if that world has computers, possibly some other form of local magic if one is convenient, possibly a Sending Stone if she can't think of anything better. 19:52 < Faceless> Sonata, computers then, it is an alternate Earth with "despite of a nail" remarkably similarity to other earths despite having extra space and extra magic because of the pocket dimensions 19:53 < Faceless> I think that if I do give the sibling a connection, it will be only after she is rescued 19:53 <@Sonata> OK. 19:53 -!- Faceless has quit 19:55 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 19:55 < Faceless> disconnected 19:55 < Faceless> what did I miss? 19:55 * teceler1 pokes at words for posts 19:55 < teceler1> nothing 19:56 < teceler1> 'political entities' 'groups' 'polities' 19:56 < Faceless> political entitties? 19:58 < teceler1> ? 19:58 <@Sonata> teceler1, replied 20:00 * Sonata imagines MS trying to connect to Materia 20:00 < teceler1> ... 20:00 < teceler1> that. um. 20:00 < teceler1> sounds interesting? 20:01 <@Sonata> "Excuse me, but would you mind if I connect somewhere in here?" "...We'll see how it goes. Don't try anything funny." "Understood." 20:01 < teceler1> pft 20:02 < teceler1> ...and then the other people on the forum go 'wellup apparantly we have another project' 20:03 < teceler1> faceless, what I'm looking for is something along the lines of 'political body/state/nation/group for the purposes of diplomatic relations' 20:03 < Faceless> sovereign state? 20:04 < teceler1> maaaybe but Cassiel is having opinions about the connotations 20:04 < Faceless> what is the context? 20:06 < teceler1> 'are there not any [???] in your world that would provide [asylum/sanctuary] to your sister?' 20:07 <@Sonata> "Isn't there anyone in your world who takes in refugees?"? 20:07 < teceler1> (possibly 'would provide and are capable of providing' or something along those lines) 20:08 < teceler1> mm. 20:10 < Faceless> ah, the problem is 20:10 < Faceless> the government body that is defending the grandfather guardianship 20:10 < Faceless> has people that control the weather 20:11 <@Sonata> so, anyone who considers interfering has to worry about getting smote with lightning bolts? 20:11 < teceler1> and that's a unique power level/something that can't be defendedagainst? 20:11 < Faceless> basically, maybe not that strongly, but it is definitely a /problem/ 20:12 <@Sonata> seems broadly analogous to 'the government has guns' 20:12 < Faceless> teceler1 not that well? I think that the US could retaliate, but it would be far from an ideal condition and they /definitely/ don't care enough to provide asylum to a little girl that is already living with a guardian 20:12 <@Sonata> 'and the police will get in way less trouble for shooting you than you will for shooting them' 20:14 * teceler1 nods. 20:14 < Faceless> yesh 20:14 < teceler1> okay Cassiel has askedthequestion icly 20:14 < teceler1> ? 20:14 < Faceless> yay 20:15 < teceler1> what was the 'yesh' about? 20:15 < Faceless> Teceler1, yeah the government has guns (or lighting bolts) and if the twins invaded a private home to take a minor they are likely to suffer the consequences 20:16 -!- notinvolved has joined #backstage 20:16 <@Sonata> tec, "and are capable" 20:16 < teceler1> oops 20:17 * teceler1 fixes. 20:17 < teceler1> hello notinvolved 20:17 * notinvolved is not involved 20:18 < teceler1> Cassiel is being very firm about their minor status being irrelevant if they does not wish to be there, especially since they have an alternate support system. 20:18 < Faceless> also hello notinvolved, I will not involve you any further unless you want to 20:21 < teceler1> Sonata: replied 20:21 < Faceless> teceler1, also another problem is that Fenris doesn't want to call too much attention to himself, or at least not that type of scrutiny, because he is afraid of people discovering the immortality thing and the dreamshaper thing and start shit because of it 20:22 < Faceless> Fenris also holds the artifact that allows you to become a dreamshaper 20:22 < teceler1> what is he worried about happening there? 20:24 <@Sonata> well /I/ would be worried about the government taking the artifact and using for their own morally dubious ends 20:24 < Faceless> people fighitng over the immortality that he despenses, using blackmail for that purpose, in such way that he would need to hole up on his own dimension (which might not work). 20:25 < Faceless> And Sonata is correct 20:25 < teceler1> re: the artifact,ifthat's possible that's a relevantconcern, yes 20:25 < Faceless> heck the previous owner of the dreamshard kidnapped homeless people, put them in a coma and use the artifact on them 20:25 < Faceless> if they created a useful dimension they got to live, if they did they are killed. 20:26 < teceler1> ... 20:26 < teceler1> (Cassiel: are you /sure/ you aren't in my world?) 20:27 < teceler1> re: the immortality: what was the constraint preventing giving immortality to everyone? I recall therewasone. 20:29 < teceler1> Sonata: Cassiel: ...this is going to be somewhat complicated. 20:29 < Faceless> Fenris' immortality comes in a limited ammount, basically he can make one person immortal per 200+- hours of sleep, which averages to 1 per month 20:29 <@Sonata> teceler1, replied 20:29 < teceler1> I saw, yeah 20:29 < Faceless> and why Cassiel tinks Fenris is his world? 20:29 < Faceless> thinks* 20:32 < teceler1> that was partly a joke but -- basically his reaction to that (the thing with the former owner) is kind of 'oh no another one' 20:33 < teceler1> 'at least it isn't a widespread religion, just one person' 20:35 < teceler1> (there are multiple religions in his world that practice various forms of human sacrifice for effects) 20:35 < teceler1> brb 20:36 < Faceless> teceler1 forum-tag, sorry I got distracted and didn't answer sooner 20:38 < teceler1> sonata: I'm not sure (given that MS has a forum connection there are probably some knowledge of the relevant metaphysics) that MS woulduse 'geographic [location]' there 20:39 < teceler1> faceless, that's fine 20:39 <@Sonata> mmm 20:39 < Faceless> ^^ 20:39 <@Sonata> I don't think it's actually possible to edit PMs, but. 20:40 <@Sonata> You might be right. Feel free to substitute 'physical location' or some such if it seems more appropriate. 20:40 < teceler1> yeah, sorry for not saying somethingearlier 20:40 < teceler1> and um the problem is more 20:40 <@Sonata> Or possibly a term in the local language that doesn't translate readily to English 20:40 < Faceless> I am not entirely sure if it the hobo-dreamshapers thing counts as human sacrifice, it feels more like slavery 20:40 * teceler1 tries to words 20:41 < teceler1> Faceless: I get the impression this interacts with the afterlife system in some manner though 20:42 < Faceless> which afterlife? 20:42 < teceler1> um, Cassiel's world has a native afterlifesystem 20:42 < teceler1> as I think Imentioned earlier 20:42 < teceler1> (it has lots of issues but nevermind that for the moment) 20:43 < teceler1> Sonata: each of the elements in Cassiel's world is sort of -- an axis? and the 20:43 < teceler1> oops enter button 20:43 < Faceless> teceler1 ah, sorry I parsed that as "the afterlife of fenris' world" 20:43 < teceler1> ah 20:44 < teceler1> the 'world' -- material world? -- is /kind of/ where they interesect? 20:44 < teceler1> except that's not quite it either 20:44 < teceler1> but using that model for for the moment, each of these axis contains a [words] plane 20:45 < Faceless> I think I get it 20:46 < teceler1> ...actually planescape may be a decent model here, if you ignore how travel works and how they're actually arranged 20:47 <@Sonata> I don't know enough about planescape, but. like. 20:47 <@Sonata> did you know what she meant? is there a standard term for that thing, in the local dialect? please assume she said that. 20:47 < teceler1> I don't know a lot either 20:47 < teceler1> m. 20:48 <@Sonata> and the slightly-inaccurate phrasing is an attempt to render the meaning in english. 20:48 < teceler1> I'm not sure there's actually a /term/ for it 20:48 < teceler1> (there might be) 20:48 < teceler1> but I can assume the concept-thing yeah 20:54 < Faceless> I am getting curious about this exchange 20:55 < teceler1> hm? 20:55 < Faceless> the exchange between cassiel and Ms 20:55 < teceler1> oh 20:56 < teceler1> I can quote, if you would like? (and Sonata is okay with that) 20:56 <@Sonata> I'm okay with it 20:56 <@Sonata> actually there's a backstage thread where people post pm logs 20:56 < Faceless> I would like to see it 20:56 <@Sonata> ...do you think there should be, like, an extra backstage board where people thread conversations that ICly occur by PM? 20:57 < teceler1> that was suggested before atsomepoint 20:57 < teceler1> I liked the idea, but some people liked using the actual pm function or something iirc? 20:57 < teceler1> I don't know if that's changed since though 21:15 < teceler1> ugh if I hadmy computer it would be mucheasier to look this up 21:17 < Faceless> [hugs]? 21:22 < teceler1> [hug] 21:39 -!- Faceless has quit 21:43 < teceler1> Sonata: reply sent 21:45 <@Sonata> If "vault" implies security, that's likely to complicate things significantly. 21:46 < teceler1> mm. 21:46 * teceler1 thinks. 21:47 <@Sonata> Is the security supposed to block /communication/, or just travel? 21:47 <@Sonata> like, if people are allowed to go talk to him, then MS can presumably do that 21:47 <@Sonata> or *handwaves* something 21:47 < teceler1> it's a value/religious connotation neutral term; each the gods has vaults, which may also be termed heavens or hells 21:48 <@Sonata> ah, so like 'the vault of heaven' 21:48 <@Sonata> rather than 'bank vault' 21:48 < teceler1> and. if MS registers as an intruder security is relevant, yeah, I hadn't thought about that 21:48 < teceler1> but it's not really designed in the direction I would expect her to come at it from 21:48 < teceler1> yes 21:48 <@Sonata> so Sabathiel can get a connection? 21:50 <@Sonata> (ultimately this stuff is mostly up to the world author, I just don't want to attribute MS /so/ much power that she turns into an active participant in Plot) 21:50 <@Sonata> (she is very much supposed to be an NPC) 21:50 < teceler1> I /think/ so but now I'm thinking about how forum connections are established in that world (iirc Cassiel said something about an artifact) and how that would interact with Junil's security (which I would expect to be rather stringent) 21:51 < teceler1> I /can/ arrange for him to visit somewhere else and get it there if necessary though 21:53 * teceler1 pokes at. 21:55 < teceler1> Cassiel's suggestion if MS has trouble with Junil's vault is apparently to give a connection to one of a few specific people and ask them to invite Sabathiel over so he can get one (or get that one, if they don't want to keep it) 21:56 < teceler1> sonata? 21:57 <@Sonata> hmm 21:57 <@Sonata> (gears shifting) 21:58 <@Sonata> That sounds easier, yes 21:58 < teceler1> okay 21:58 < teceler1> hm 21:59 < teceler1> do you want Cassiel to think of that or for MS to mention the problem? 21:59 <@Sonata> I think MS first 21:59 < teceler1> okay 21:59 <@Sonata> Sabathiel is a he? 21:59 < teceler1> Cassiel would think of it /eventually/ but when is variable 21:59 < teceler1> yes 22:00 < teceler1> insofar as that is relevant 22:01 <@Sonata> sent 22:03 <@Sonata> am doing pmlogs for thread, does {{untranslateable: geographic location / planar coordinates / metaphysical status}} sound like a reasonable replacement for "geographic location"? 22:04 < teceler1> hm. not sure about the status part, but otherwise yes 22:04 <@Sonata> yeah, I couldn't really think of the right noun there 22:04 <@Sonata> circumstances? 22:05 < teceler1> I would use coordinates if it wasn't for that meaning repeating that 22:05 <@Sonata> like, 'are you in heaven or hell' is kind of what i meant, but 'are you a living human / dead human / angel / demon' is also the thing 22:05 < teceler1> hm 22:05 < teceler1> oh 22:06 < teceler1> (there are multiple heavens and hells) 22:06 <@Sonata> (right) 22:06 < teceler1> (relevantly) 22:06 <@Sonata> how about like "geographic/planar/metaphysical location"? 22:06 < teceler1> that works! 22:07 < teceler1> also Cassiel is worrying about 'what if that's /not/ Junil' now 22:08 < teceler1> hm 22:08 <@Sonata> posted 22:11 < teceler1> can MS tell one or both of the metaphysical flavor/aspect/element of the security or whether Sabathiel is able to leave it? 22:12 <@Sonata> Mmmmaybe. 22:12 <@Sonata> I don't love the precedent. 22:12 < teceler1> hm 22:13 <@Sonata> But the fact that she managed to locate him based on the given information does suggest the given information is probably mostly correct. 22:13 < teceler1> point 22:14 < teceler1> I can work withthat 22:14 < teceler1> replied 22:15 <@Sonata> (Is he?) 22:16 < teceler1> yes 22:17 < teceler1> (unless he's randomly visiting somewhere else under equally high-grade security, which seems unlikely and I am deciding for utility purposes is not the case) 22:17 <@Sonata> tag 22:19 < teceler1> cassiel: okay so normally I would be wondering why you were setting of/registering as a threat to/something like that defenses, but, Junil. 22:20 < teceler1> (he's not going to say that icly, sadly, but it amused me, so) 22:29 <@Sonata> hee 22:40 -!- notinvolved is now known as bored 22:41 -!- bored has quit 22:56 * teceler1 tries to remember what she was looking up 22:58 < teceler1> anyway 22:59 < teceler1> Sonata: pm-tag 23:00 <@Sonata> Dagda doesn't have any complicating factors? 23:01 < teceler1> well, I need to work out exactly how he reacts 23:02 < teceler1> but his vault is specifically set up to allow communication / diplomacy 23:02 <@Sonata> aha 23:03 <@Sonata> pmtag 23:03 <@Sonata> (and I should go to bed) 23:04 <@Sonata> ...it is not impossible MS will be attracted to Dagda 23:04 < teceler1> sleep well 23:04 < teceler1> ...pfft 23:04 * teceler1 considers. 23:05 < teceler1> ...possibly we should write out MS making contact there 23:06 < teceler1> (not tonight, I mean, but) 23:06 <@Sonata> possibly 23:09 -!- Sonata has quit --- Day changed Mon Nov 09 2015 01:05 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 01:15 -!- rockeye has joined #backstage 01:16 < rockeye> Had an amusing image of a Cape tinker bolting out of their lab yelling "FTL! FTL!" and alarming everyone 01:17 <@Adelene> hee. 01:20 < rockeye> I should encharacter that tinker. 01:23 <@Adelene> ^^ 01:25 -!- rockeye has quit 03:23 -!- teceler1 is now known as teceler|asleep 03:38 -!- teceler|asleep has quit
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