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Post by Botanical Engineer on May 15, 2015 16:00:56 GMT
Spiderspider, I may be able to make a flower with 18 things, and might be able to do so during the set it was originally created in, but I would need a clearer understanding of the 16-things there are meant to be 18 of. I may also be able to get the end-twigs of branches of trees. If they needed to be able to move and grasp things, and be shaped like hands, I would probably eventually be able to edit it that way. Are these the sorts of things you would want? How would I be able to get them to you, and what would you offer in trade?
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Post by Andrew on May 15, 2015 16:18:00 GMT
I have a Microsoft and an Apple. The Microsoft share prices don’t quite match the ones gabriael listed, but the historical trends have mostly matched.
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Post by Archangel on May 15, 2015 16:51:48 GMT
Mira, Is it the case that your Jumpers can locate and travel to worlds with something approaching reliability, given only the information available on this forum? Because this very thread includes representatives of worlds containing two plagues, plenty of powerful human threats, and multiple extraterrestrial invasions. And Keter. Publicly available transportation runs the risk of unleashing threats a world is unequipped to handle. Even if tonistark is willing to risk her world's existence, it's yours that would be exposed to dangers from every world.
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Post by Mira on May 15, 2015 17:30:38 GMT
Archangel: I'm not actually sure exactly how much information the Jumpers need to travel to a new world - I'll be stopping by to find that out after work today. I totally understand your concerns, but Sanctum is REALLY used to dealing with extraplanar threats and weirdness (I've lost count of how many times the mages have had to shut down virulent diseases and the like, and I PERSONALLY have to deal with unruly visitors on an hourly basis). There's no need to be worried on our behalf - really.
Anyway, I'm sure the Jumpers know what they're doing! I'll keep everyone posted on what I find out from them travel-arrangements-wise later today!
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Post by Leaf on May 15, 2015 17:35:59 GMT
Mira, while I have every respect for Sanctum's ability to handle the kind of weirdness you're used to, my experience with this forum is that every time you think you have found the peak of possible weirdness the clouds part to reveal a yet higher slope. In other words, caution is probably in order. You've already found several kinds of god here who function in ways completely outside your experience of gods.
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Post by tonistark on May 15, 2015 19:46:07 GMT
Grigori: I checked with SWORD, they want to know how easily Mania can be contained. Basically, we want Mania if we can make sure only humans get it (for instance, by quarantining people with Mania and having soldiers use Wonders), but if there's a serious risk of transmitting it to humanoid aliens we'll pass.
Gabriael: Self-replicating giant robots? Awesome! Are you worried about a grey goo scenario, or have you put protections in place?
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Post by gabriael on May 15, 2015 19:49:56 GMT
Eh, Maybe they have something like home restoration or time reversal? If someone would put a few kilos of photons on a collision course with something I like I'd reverse the HV and momentum of everything within lighttime of the event and it would reassemble. If that doesn't work home restoration can reinstate saved templates of things.
Those two tend to make most mayhem reversible. If they can ALSO handle gods as I understood them... I am from now on going to use the English word god for all kind of powerful things calling itself that and beg Mother Starlight to stop translating the species of my Father: Slidar. If they can handle slidar it's probably safe for them. I know we can handle anything except supermighty slidar and I know there's plans to deal even with one of those if they have the same Might as father. If you have a way to handle supermighty slidar we would probably move our universes into sanctum. I am led to believe they don't take up much space, we'd park ourselves in an up quark within your file on us or something.
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Post by gabriael on May 15, 2015 20:20:38 GMT
Gabriael: Self-replicating giant robots? Awesome! Are you worried about a grey goo scenario, or have you put protections in place? Gray Goo Scenarios are for me what an empty photocopier is for you. Nope, those had actual people with complex motivations micromanaging them so people will complain if I just sterilize everything from Orbit. I put a Van Neumann net around the place as soon as it hit my inbox and there were already Van Neuman nets in place from a local Tyraeli. Then I went there and exterminated them, took Samples and had my people analyze them. They do in fact not use anything but the laws of nature AND most of them don't have any lasers and none have any Matter disintegrators in them. The ones that do have lasers don't use photon conversion but actual quantum optics systems. That is really cool! Normally they cheat with some magic to strenghten structural integrity in order to make them bigger or to make the matter reassemblers, but these are from a Civilisation that can't use any magic. Also the Nanotech is surprizingly safe! The dissasembler tech can't assemble and the assemblers can't assemble themselves but need dedicated nanofactories. The rather primitive AI can't selfmodify and can't create loops without input from a technician. So they can't multiply exponentially without input. I left the net in place, snagged all the designs, apologized, and let them get back to their war. (They'll probably manage to rebuild their stuff and now it's all nice and fair because everyone starts from zero again, instead of someone preparing in secret.) I'll prep a few planets and hold a tournament in those things as soon as I modified them to use more than three digits and replaced all the lasers. The biggest problem will be getting participants, because normally self replicating giant robots are really dorky.
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Post by Grigori on May 15, 2015 20:23:04 GMT
tonistark: Good question.
Mania can be directly transmitted by a variety of methods; and people witnessing the effects of Mania tend to pick it up over time, to the degree that such is possible for them. Not everyone is capable of becoming Inspired, but ordinary people exposed to Mania will eventually become Beholden. That said, Mania is a naturally occurring phenomena in my world, and it is more than capable of touching those who have never been in direct contact with Mania-users. There is no real consensus at this point even to what Mania ultimately is, and there's no way of knowing how it will behave in different realities. It could be the case that Mania would only be passed from one person to another, and be relatively containable; it might also be the case that your universe itself will 'catch' Mania, such that individuals with the right mindset will spontaneously develop Mania-based abilities.
My personal guess is that Mania cannot, ultimately, be contained. If I were able to reach your world, and to initiate some of your people into the use of Mania, your people would, at first, be the only ones to have access to it... but eventually, it would get out in some accident or another, since there is a good deal of randomness involved in the application of Mania. In particular, if you were using Wonders as weapons of war against a technologically-sophisticated enemy, then although the initial effects would be that the Wonders would be unusable to your enemies, and immune to reverse-engineering, the process of attempting to reverse-engineer Wonders would eventually result in Mania-use among those enemy scientists susceptible to Inspiration.
I would note that the usefulness of Mania is heavily dependant on collaboration between like-minded individuals. If we were to offer our information and support to your side, then while it is ultimately certain in the long-term that the capabilities of both sides would be increased to some degree, you would benefit more than your enemies would; they'd be working blind, while you'd be able to benefit from the knowledge and experience of the Peerage. Note also that my own universe does contain a Martian Empire: they make some use of Mania, and have been a historical threat, but they don't have as good a command over it as human Inspired do.
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Post by Andrew on May 15, 2015 21:02:24 GMT
Are you sure you shouldn’t ask for more details before offering to help with the a war? Toni mostly seems like a reasonable person, but that doesn’t mean her side is the right one or that you should help her kill people without knowing more.
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Post by gabriael on May 15, 2015 21:11:51 GMT
I think he can trust Toni, but I think Toni shouldn't play with Mania, cause it 1: runs counter to her strengths. 2: is guaranteed to get to her enemies.
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Post by Grigori on May 15, 2015 21:51:34 GMT
Andrew: I am ambivalent at this time. There's no guarantee that any of this is remotely possible, after all. I'm an explorer, not a politician. If this works, politicians will get involved eventually; if there are particular reasons why this isn't a good idea, they'll be the ones to make the call.
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Post by Mira on May 16, 2015 0:42:31 GMT
Hey guys - I know I said I'd check in with the Translocators' Guild about travel to and from your worlds, but I've just come home from a total nightmare of a day and I really don't have the wherewithal to go back out and ask around about it. I'll get the info to you tomorrow, promise! Sorry if you were waiting on me!
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Post by Lantern on May 16, 2015 20:02:42 GMT
My world, safe to visit as long as the entrance is in a city, visitors welcome, conditional on they are safe to bring and nice people.
I do art, and would be willing to trade for other things. I will come back later once I understand more, this forum and what people might need. It is better to trade when both parties know what they want.
I am happy to accept useful and not-endangering things!
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Post by Raezenoth on May 17, 2015 0:06:31 GMT
I will allow visitors into my domain if you have a way to get there.
It is a desert.
I like it.
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