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Post by Come Forth Winter on Oct 25, 2015 21:46:41 GMT
Well, see I am a human being, and in a sense I am my body, which I can move and use to perceive things. If that's how you talk about your own body, then I don't mind you talking about me that way. I don't often hear humans talking about being able to control their bodies, but then I don't spend a great deal of time keeping track of how humans talk about things. I still want to know, if you can use sapphire crystals to move around or perceive things. You seem very sure about that. I can't say for sure to the contrary -- different world, different rules, to my understanding -- but I wouldn't expect a human to know whether sapphire was a person or not. (I do appreciate your open-mindedness in not making assumptions about me.) The MWF reach is vast, making assumptions about other worlds is foolish. There is psychosensitive magic in my word, include some that is used by me (and my brother) to interact with this forum. I just took a minute to check. Couldn't perceive any mind from any sapphires or crystals in my reach. Do humans ever interact with you? How? Yes, we do. I think the humans are calling those basic elements these days. It used to be earth, air, fire, water. Neither is correct. What is correct? Rubies are partly made of me, partly of Neon. More of me than of her. But they're not me in the same way that sapphires are. So sapphires are... kin? another individual?
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Post by Sapphire on Oct 25, 2015 22:04:17 GMT
I still want to know, if you can use sapphire crystals to move around or perceive things. Yes. Fair enough. I'd want to know the details of how the magic worked before I reached a final conclusion, but it seems reasonable to be going on with. Humans interact with sapphires frequently. Or did you mean, do they speak with me? Occasionally. For instance, you are. There are one hundred and twenty-seven elements, to the best of our records. They do not correspond exactly to the current knowledge of humans in my world, but there is some overlap. (I assume you mean rubies.) Not another individual. I suppose kin will do, as an analogy. For instance, your siblings are partly you. But, unlike your siblings, rubies are not a person. They are what you get when you mix parts of two people together.
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Post by Come Forth Winter on Oct 25, 2015 22:27:09 GMT
Fair enough. I'd want to know the details of how the magic worked before I reached a final conclusion, but it seems reasonable to be going on with. Well, the magic has show signs that it can read the minds of an entire continent in search of information. That is different than giving me all that information, mind you. For completeness, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a mind attached to some sapphire crystals at some point, but not as default. Humans interact with sapphires frequently. Or did you mean, do they speak with me? Occasionally. For instance, you are. I meant in your own worlds. There are one hundred and twenty-seven elements, to the best of our records. They do not correspond exactly to the current knowledge of humans in my world, but there is some overlap. Have you tried inform this to your worlds' humans? (I assume you mean rubies.) Not another individual. I suppose kin will do, as an analogy. For instance, your siblings are partly you. But, unlike your siblings, rubies are not a person. They are what you get when you mix parts of two people together. Yes, sorry for the mistake. I wouldn't use those terms to describe siblinghood, but that is likely a limitation of my language to describe your experiences.
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Post by Sapphire on Oct 25, 2015 23:11:45 GMT
I meant in your own worlds. Occasionally. When necessary. No. Why would we?
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Post by Come Forth Winter on Oct 26, 2015 0:02:16 GMT
I meant in your own worlds. Occasionally. When necessary. When is necessary? Why would you not? There might be a difference of values here. As a human, by default I value that other humans believe objectively true things. I assume you don't? How about other elements? Would you care if they believed false things?
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Post by Sapphire on Oct 26, 2015 0:57:38 GMT
Occasionally. When necessary. When is necessary? Why would you not? There might be a difference of values here. As a human, by default I value that other humans believe objectively true things. I assume you don't? How about other elements? Would you care if they believed false things? It is necessary when the humans know something I want to know, or have something I want to have, or I want them to do something, or they are in my way and I want them to go away. Sometimes I even speak to humans just to be polite, if I anticipate needing to interact with them more in the future. It can simplify things. I don't know if I specifically care if elements believe false things -- for instance, if Silver thought that London was in France, I would not go out of my way to correct him; it's hardly likely to cause him a problem. But if he believed something false that would make him sad, or put him in danger, or that he would be bothered about not knowing, I would tell him. Humans I don't much care about.
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Post by Come Forth Winter on Oct 26, 2015 1:08:46 GMT
When is necessary? Why would you not? There might be a difference of values here. As a human, by default I value that other humans believe objectively true things. I assume you don't? How about other elements? Would you care if they believed false things? It is necessary when the humans know something I want to know, or have something I want to have, or I want them to do something, or they are in my way and I want them to go away. Sometimes I even speak to humans just to be polite, if I anticipate needing to interact with them more in the future. It can simplify things. I don't know if I specifically care if elements believe false things -- for instance, if Silver thought that London was in France, I would not go out of my way to correct him; it's hardly likely to cause him a problem. But if he believed something false that would make him sad, or put him in danger, or that he would be bothered about not knowing, I would tell him. Humans I don't much care about. What kinds of things do you want?or could otherwise motivate you to inform humans?
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Post by Sapphire on Oct 26, 2015 1:25:19 GMT
It is necessary when the humans know something I want to know, or have something I want to have, or I want them to do something, or they are in my way and I want them to go away. Sometimes I even speak to humans just to be polite, if I anticipate needing to interact with them more in the future. It can simplify things. I don't know if I specifically care if elements believe false things -- for instance, if Silver thought that London was in France, I would not go out of my way to correct him; it's hardly likely to cause him a problem. But if he believed something false that would make him sad, or put him in danger, or that he would be bothered about not knowing, I would tell him. Humans I don't much care about. What kinds of things do you want?or could otherwise motivate you to inform humans? A human could have a key to a place I wanted to get into. They might have a book with information I wanted. I might want all humans evacuated from a given area, and it might be easiest to do that by asking a policeman to tell them all to leave. They might have witnessed an event I was curious about. I speak to humans more often than most elements, because I'm more comfortable with it and better at it, so I often handle situations that require interacting with humans. That's why I was chosen to monitor this forum.
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Post by Come Forth Winter on Oct 26, 2015 2:18:29 GMT
What kinds of things do you want?or could otherwise motivate you to inform humans? A human could have a key to a place I wanted to get into. They might have a book with information I wanted. I might want all humans evacuated from a given area, and it might be easiest to do that by asking a policeman to tell them all to leave. They might have witnessed an event I was curious about. What usually makes you want to visit a locked/closed place? What usually makes you want to evacuate humans from a given area? I speak to humans more often than most elements, because I'm more comfortable with it and better at it, so I often handle situations that require interacting with humans. That's why I was chosen to monitor this forum. I see, that decision was made by some sort of element authority or by collective decision?
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Post by Sapphire on Oct 26, 2015 2:37:50 GMT
A human could have a key to a place I wanted to get into. They might have a book with information I wanted. I might want all humans evacuated from a given area, and it might be easiest to do that by asking a policeman to tell them all to leave. They might have witnessed an event I was curious about. What usually makes you want to visit a locked/closed place? What usually makes you want to evacuate humans from a given area? I speak to humans more often than most elements, because I'm more comfortable with it and better at it, so I often handle situations that require interacting with humans. That's why I was chosen to monitor this forum. I see, that decision was made by some sort of element authority or by collective decision? Temporal irregularities. The Dispatcher.
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Post by Come Forth Winter on Oct 26, 2015 2:53:57 GMT
What usually makes you want to visit a locked/closed place? What usually makes you want to evacuate humans from a given area? I see, that decision was made by some sort of element authority or by collective decision? Temporal irregularities. The Dispatcher. Please, explain what are temporal irregularities? Who or what is the Dispatcher?
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Post by Sapphire on Oct 26, 2015 3:31:39 GMT
Temporal irregularities. The Dispatcher. Please, explain what are temporal irregularities? Who or what is the Dispatcher? You are a very curious human. Temporal irregularities occur when Time breaks into the Present. It is difficult to explain to humans. Your minds are not built for it. The Dispatcher is the one who dispatches.
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Post by Come Forth Winter on Oct 26, 2015 4:10:34 GMT
Please, explain what are temporal irregularities? Who or what is the Dispatcher? You are a very curious human. I am a proudly curious human Temporal irregularities occur when Time breaks into the Present. It is difficult to explain to humans. Your minds are not built for it. Time and Present are elements? The Dispatcher is the one who dispatches. The Dispatcher is an element, or another kind of entity?
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Post by Sapphire on Oct 26, 2015 15:00:10 GMT
You are a very curious human. I am a proudly curious human Temporal irregularities occur when Time breaks into the Present. It is difficult to explain to humans. Your minds are not built for it. Time and Present are elements? The Dispatcher is the one who dispatches. The Dispatcher is an element, or another kind of entity? None of those things are elements. Really they're all exactly what they sound like.
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Post by Ignite The Light on Oct 26, 2015 15:42:47 GMT
I am a proudly curious human Time and Present are elements? The Dispatcher is an element, or another kind of entity? None of those things are elements. Really they're all exactly what they sound like. Lady, "Dispatcher" is a human job, but you are some weird force of nature, what it might sound obvious to you isn't obvious to us. The Dispatcher isn't a human, right?
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