Hadassah
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Post by Hadassah on May 9, 2015 21:20:05 GMT
esthphora: I would like to request that my forum experience not be filtered. I do not mind if you continue to filter content to anyone else from Pantheon for now, but I prefer to manage my own informational safety.
If it is not possible to allow for this filtering to be specific for only my use, I understand and will abide by the new features implemented on this forum.
Thanks.
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Post by Dispersive Prism on May 9, 2015 22:19:57 GMT
I'm not lonely, don't worry! I'm very happy. I like my world a lot. Good! I'm glad. It sounds pretty! Oh goodness are you okay, adorable lurking kobold?
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Post by esthfora on May 10, 2015 1:29:39 GMT
Hadassah, I can do that, and I will if Mother Starlight says it is okay, but why do you want to be able to see things that would harm you that you weren't warned about?
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Post by esthfora on May 10, 2015 1:43:25 GMT
And kobold, I'm sorry I startled you. I promise the rainbows are okay and safe and not bad.
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Thorn
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Post by Thorn on May 10, 2015 1:57:56 GMT
First I get mild [REDACTED FOR SECURITY REASONS] and have to go through more mandated therapy, then I have ridiculous quantities of meetings (but I might have something to do other than monitor this soon, so that's good), and then I check on this and my beta fork starts panicking about rainbow truths.
Esthfora, while I appreciate the added layer of security against memetic attacks, I would greatly appreciate if you would replace any future truth-enhanced messages to this node with their literal meaning and a note to that effect so that we do not have spend a great deal of time selectively blocking the posts in which they occur.
(I suspect kobold may also have had a adverse reaction to them; in any case I hope e is okay)
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Post by Leaf on May 10, 2015 1:59:26 GMT
Mild security redaction?
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Post by esthfora on May 10, 2015 2:03:15 GMT
The rainbows aren't harmful by themselves. Checking if someone would be upset about them is a different kind of thing from what I'm supposed to be doing. Why don't you like them?
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Thorn
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Post by Thorn on May 10, 2015 2:23:05 GMT
Leaf: A... side effect of extended simulspace use with interacting with my particular neural architecture. (Other things, too, but that is the currently relevant one).
Esthfora: Based on what my fork was able to tell us and what I know of how my brain works, having something present as true with backing evidence is very alarming and the synesthesia made it more so because our local memetic hazards function as specific patterns of sensory input. I suspect it may have also interacted oddly with certain facets of my particular neural architecture, but is for obvious reasons difficult to be sure.
In any case I am not particularly eager to have panic attacks caused by your truth effect should they recur even with warning, and no compelling reason to trust your word on their harmlessness and potentially open myself to unknown hostile effects.
Also, it would obscure any reactions by my beta fork to any other memetic hazards should they occur.
You may call me paranoid if you wish, but it has saved me more times than I could easily count.
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Hadassah
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Post by Hadassah on May 10, 2015 2:42:48 GMT
Hadassah, I can do that, and I will if Mother Starlight says it is okay, but why do you want to be able to see things that would harm you that you weren't warned about? I have a few reasons for that preference. Primarily, my job here is to monitor interuniversal communication for threats. If I can't perceive a threat, react to it, and properly assign it a level of threat, then I cannot do my job. Nominally, if you ever once become lax, get distracted, killed, hacked or otherwise removed from influencing this forum, then all of my preconceptions will be invalid, which means that I cannot be trusted to monitor this forum. The order I work in, the Guardians, will probably attempt to shut down any access to this forum. Otherwise, I am not a fully recognized sentient in my home universe, so my wounding or death would not make a large impact on my world as a whole. Because I am not trustworthy yet, many of my coworkers are trained to be cautious around me so that if a virulent meme were to cause me to become violent or unstable, they would be prepared to stop me. Following that thought, even if I were a fully recognized sentient, my self-preservation instincts do not override my primary protocol of protecting others, so I would rather I be affected rather than another denizen of Pantheon. Thirdly, harm is very relative. You exuded an overwhelming sense of veracity. Freedom of Belief is one of the absolutely most inviolable right that any deity on my planet will defend. Pantheons have been destroyed for refusing to let their followers pick their religions. When you speak the Truth, that would be considered a violation of one of the deepest rules on my world. When you speak Truth, you remove Faith. Did you cause any damage? No, and I KNOW you did not intend any, as was your intent. But I must Believe that now, which removes my ability to have Faith in your words. What if your preconceptions and opinions could also be spoken with such Truth? What if you decided to state that you are now The God of this forum and need to be worshipped as the Provider of Safety in Communication? I am not harmed by such declarations (because I don't particularly have any motivation to be otherwise religious) but we recently had an event here where an interdimensional deity forcibly converted millions of people, which is not acceptable. Our world is trying to understand and safely interact with multiverses, not become paranoid and isolationist about them. If another person from Pantheon, a human or otherwise, were to see such un-unbelivable words, I expect it would lead to a serious crisis of Faith and Existentialism. They may be harmed inadvertently both emotionally and socially. I am not personally offended, as I Knew you meant no harm at all. I still recording this event in my logs, as I am required to do. I do expect that I will be acquiring new equipment soon in order to protect me against further Inviolable Truth effects, as this is what I would do should someone else I knew were to be impacted by such an effect. (For that, I do thank you. While I explicitly Trust you to be Good, this means that better development will be advanced in our world on digital safety on the internet, which is my job here as an observer.)
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Post by esthfora on May 10, 2015 3:15:50 GMT
If it's okay with Mother Starlight, then people who wouldn't want to see the rainbows will just see an indication that there would be rainbows there, and Hadassah can see harmful things for as long as she still wants to.
I can't really be hurt in the ways you mean, but I guess Mother Starlight might stop letting me filter things here, so it's not certain I'll be doing it forever.
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Post by Mother Starlight on May 10, 2015 6:02:47 GMT
I think it's entirely reasonable to let people opt out of protective censorship. The important thing is that if they're exposed to something potentially dangerous then it's because they made an informed decision, not because they were blindsided when they expected to be safe.
Not exposing people to mind-affecting effects that they don't or wouldn't want is an entirely reasonable policy, even if the effects are as well-meaning as the truth rainbows.
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Post by Dotted Lines on May 11, 2015 2:38:53 GMT
Will the protective censorship only be on this forum? Sometimes there's things that might be classified as memetic hazards by an outsider but that are actually for our own benefit and protection, and it would be bad if I accidentally missed important announcements, or events, or other goings-on that were supposed to affect everyone in town; especially since I'm already under suspicion.
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Post by esthfora on May 11, 2015 2:52:28 GMT
I'm only filtering things on this forum.
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Post by Dotted Lines on May 11, 2015 2:54:13 GMT
Okay, good. Thank you.
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Cardea
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Post by Cardea on May 11, 2015 11:04:27 GMT
Esthfora's sentences are very unambiguous!
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