Nope! She's a new Admin. No Admin that ever existed before he complained ever saw this Forum, so they are not the same being.
I mean he knows there had to be Admins before her, there's got to be omnipotent entities that thought about that stuff before, but this one is his and he's thinking up a cutesy name to call her while fighting the Aeon Illuminate.
I'm friendly, just strange. If I say something I mean that's the most probable thing, it's not a perfect guarantee. I'm taking a break from trying to talk to you people. Maybe in a few centuries you'll be easier to get along with? I'll catch up on PMs when I think of the forum.
Does anybody actually get permanently-destroyed in this horrifying afterlife, or are they just horrifyingly non-destroyed for eternity? If the latter, the keeper wouldn’t instantiate any of them in her realm even if it were connected.
Yeah. The keeper is a kind of interdimensional junkyard, a cosmic packrat; she collects recreations of things that were irrecoverably destroyed in other universes. Having an afterlife of one's own is not necessarily incompatible with this, especially if the afterlife is in any way incomplete.
Oblivion is very possible, and is, indeed, the most common ending. You need to do something special to not end up with oblivion as your 'afterlife' (or, more commonly, have something unpleasant done to you). Worse than that, the entire history of existence was retroactively destroyed when some 'clever' people went back in time to start their own civilization from before the dawn of civilization, consigning arbitrarily huge numbers of individuals to a state of never-having-existed. Then that civilization was itself destroyed in a subsequent time war.
Afterlife segments in which people are horrifically non-destroyed for eternity exist, and are the most common alternative to nonexistence; there is not a unified version of horrifically non-destroyed, and different bits of afterlives collect different segments of the population. There are a few artificial afterlife-type things that are somewhat less-horrible, but you have to make special preparations to get to them.
She'd need to fight off the various nasties that are chewing on various segments of the afterlife-space first. It's less like moving into an empty domain, and more like taking over a domain that's currently being egregiously mismanaged by a mutually-antagonistic array of malevolent deities.
She doesn’t run a competitor afterlife. She sort of runs the after-afterlife. Unless they go explicitly searching for her despite not having ever had proof that alternate worlds outside their cluster exist, they almost certainly won’t notice a thing.
It would be like if the garbage company were to save everything out of your garbage can and put them on nicely-ordered shelves that nobody outside the company ever got to hear about. If you also didn’t get to visit the city dump, would you ever know the difference?
The way the keeper works does not involve fighting anything off or staking out any territory. It involves being way over in a totally self-contained middle-of-nowhere universe, completely unable to directly affect anything whatsoever in the living worlds she collects from and existing entirely outside of their paradigm, passively receiving information about what things used to exist there.
Or, what Daniel H said.
You can of course still say that she can't find the World of Darkness on pure "I am its author and I say so" grounds, if you like.
(The garbage dump analogy is seriously cracking me up, oh my god. It's perfect. keeper/admin: garbage company employee who carefully shelves all of your trash.)
In that case, there is in fact territory staked out here, and it is, in fact, guarded. It's not going to be possible for the Admin to go through the WoD's garbage heap without fighting some junkyard dogs, not even to get at the scraps they they aren't using.
It's not that she can't find it, it's that when she does, she'll find that something else is in charge, and is blocking her attempts at passive gathering. She'd have to non-passively contest the things in charge to gain access.
Hmm. I want to continue figuring out what the heck is up with the World of Darkness (does it have a general ban on any external entity receiving information about it, or only when the external entity broadly pattern-matches to "afterlife"?), but instead of doing that right now I should probably go to bed.
Post by Captain Viridian on May 16, 2015 5:17:15 GMT
The Captain's home dimension is relatively mundane and definitely accessible by the Keeper. Dimension VVVVVV is also accessible by the Keeper, and she might be able to instantiate certain entire rooms (particularly in the Epilogue of VVVVVV). I'm not sure about the void between dimensions.
There is a Gauntlet, which generally stops stuff (including information) from entering or leaving; it is what enforces the absolute range limitations on stuff that's 'infinite' in range. The Gauntlet is not infallible, but it IS nasty, and like most of the big nasty things in the WoD, the harder you hit it, the harder it hits back.
The Forum is getting in through a gap. It'll be harder to physically enter or leave. There will be a Response to any attempt to, say, grab all the information about the totality of all things ever destroyed in the history of everything.
EDIT: Nevermind, you posted an explanation first. So instead: will the Gauntlet notice the forum and try to stop it from accessing that world?
I agree with Kappa on all counts. I would like to keep talking about this, but I should go to bed instead. I’ll ask a different question, though: right now all that the Keeper would do with access to the World of Darkness is know things about it. The rest of the forum users know things about it too, but hers would be more along the lines of “completely undetectable spying” than somebody actually giving her information. As long as all she did was watch, is there anybody who would find out and object? Would this anybody do anything?
She might do something other than watch at some point. That would be making a copy of some things she thought nobody could be using in the original world. This would be a copy and would have no effect on the (destroyed before she did anything more than look) original, even if somebody were to reconstruct the original (or resurrect the person, or put them in an afterlife after a few millennia of oblivion, or whatever). Would anybody who didn’t object to her watching be able to find out and object to her making an exact copy in her own domain, even though they can also be resurrected or put into the original world’s afterlives later (completely unaffected by being in the keeper’s domain because they’re copies of each other)?
Basically, I’m asking at what step people would find out, and how, and at what step they’d object, and what they’d do about it.