the keeper
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Post by the keeper on May 14, 2015 16:11:16 GMT
In theory, as I've constructed her here, the keeper receives information on all universes. However, I don't want to step on anyone's toes. So if you're fine with the keeper having access to your world, please say so. What it means for her to have access to your world: She can't travel there on her own, or affect it directly in any way, unless someone gives her separate interdimensional travel abilities. But a precise and detailed knowledge of the world's history is available to her, such that she can recreate any object or creature that has ever existed in that world. Minds are a special category to her magic, and she very strongly doesn't want to create multiple copies of the same person, so she only ever recreates people who are already firmly no-afterlife no-takebacks dead in their world of origin. She has access to all of my characters' worlds, which in practice means Nexus because Esthfora's world doesn't work on linear time or consistent logic or sensible geometry and also doesn't have any mortal beings living there. Here's the list. "found!" marks worlds that the keeper has successfully located. - Nexus - found!
- Dungeon - found! (not named IC)
- Haywire
- Midgard - found!
- Garden
- Facet - found!
- Daevinity - found!
- Mysis
- Pantheon
- Uplides
- Eventide
- Carp
- Toppled
- Nest
- Keter - found!
- Fractal
- Eclipse
- Gap - found!
- Sime-Gen universe (not named IC)
- Yarth
- Ofeili - found! (technically able to counterfeit their currencies but totally disinterested in doing so)
- Deep Sky (forum history) - found!
- Esthfora (nothing practical)
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Post by Mother Starlight on May 14, 2015 17:24:44 GMT
She can access the Deep Sky, though the only thing for her to get would be deleted posts, previous versions of edited posts, and previous versions of various configuration files.
She can access Dungeon, though it already has an afterlife setup, so she'd only get objects, constructs, and undead.
There is nothing for her to access in the Library of Babel. The Library is append-only.
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Post by the keeper on May 14, 2015 17:33:24 GMT
...heh. So if she gets Dungeon, she gets every spellbook ever read, because used-up spellbooks are sure as hell destroyed.
This amuses me greatly.
She isn't going to do anything with them, of course. That would be tedious.
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Undrained
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Post by Undrained on May 14, 2015 17:35:27 GMT
I don't see any reason she shouldn't be able to access Haywire.
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tonistark
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Post by tonistark on May 14, 2015 18:08:19 GMT
She can get Midgard.
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Post by Botanical Engineer on May 14, 2015 18:34:07 GMT
She can have Garden, I'm not sure if Dotted Lines's universe would connect well.
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the keeper
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Post by the keeper on May 14, 2015 18:37:48 GMT
What would Dotted Lines's universe do instead?
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Post by Dispersive Prism on May 14, 2015 18:58:52 GMT
Totally fine with her having Facet.
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Post by Daniel H on May 14, 2015 19:41:26 GMT
Daevinity’s good.
If she has access to all worlds ever except a select few, how will this be explained Watsonianly?
EDIT: To me, it makes more sense to say that she has access to only a (large) handful of worlds like her alts, but that she can add them more easily so has access to most or all of those on the forum. Why did you go with all worlds ever?
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the keeper
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Post by the keeper on May 14, 2015 19:52:27 GMT
I went with all worlds ever because someone reminded me that in my original conception of the admin, before glowfic, it was all worlds ever, and that's what got me thinking about bringing her in in the first place.
Currently, the keeper has not nearly got the kind of practice handling her powers that you're used to seeing from the admin. It's quite plausible that for the entire span of the real-world lifetime of the forum, she won't have figured out how to tell how many universes she has access to, let alone which ones. She will be able to confirm some of them if she finds them, and reliably identify the ones she has found after she pays specific attention to them; if someone doesn't give me permission to have her receive things from their world, I will just not have her find it and Watsonianly she will not know whether she lacks access or merely hasn't stumbled across it in the muddle yet.
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Post by anthusiasm on May 14, 2015 21:27:42 GMT
I don't see any reason why she shouldn't have Mysis. (Mysis does have an afterlife, though. I haven't figured out the particulars yet but as far as I know it's pretty depressing and also not permanent, so what probably happens is people go to the Mysisian afterlife first when they die, then are able to get grabbed by the keeper once the Mysisian afterlife is done with them).
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Hadassah
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Post by Hadassah on May 14, 2015 22:16:04 GMT
Alright, this is kind of digging into Pantheon's inner workings, which I have a fairly strong confidence in its workings, but I don't have most of the minutia down. Pantheon's mechanisms are actually a lot more complicated than just "oh yeah every one of history's gods comes back and hangs out with humans."
I just hadn't had time or the need to elaborate on it until now. Pantheon operates very heavily on more than the standard 3 spatial dimensions and 1 time dimension. They have closer to five spatial dimensions and a couple inscrutable Oversight Dimensions, (but still 1 time dimension).
I am certain that the keeper would probably be able to see all of the "afterworld" and "dead" stuff from Pantheon, and she could even take a portion* of the material from Pantheon's world... but The Somethings from Pantheon would try to respond relatively quickly.
I do not know how robust the keeper's defenses or offenses are, but just as she might snag something from another world's afterworld, The Somethings from Pantheon would try to snag it back. Subsequent 'thefts' from Pantheon would be much harder, and met with some resistance.
If The Somethings from Pantheon couldn't steal back what the keeper took, it would try more desperate means, and actual residents and deities of Pantheon would be motivated to get involved, albeit probably under false pretenses.
This effect is isolated solely and completely to Pantheon's universe, and wouldn't extend to any nearby universes. I can go into detail if this sort of thing is likely to happen.
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* 'Portion' is relative. If the portion* was more mundane material, like earth or people or even a sun or two, the effect would be as described. If the keeper tries to steal one of the slain gods, then escalation would probably be faster and more urgent, with almost immediate resistance. If it was a very very small part of Pantheon, they may not notice for a while.
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Post by Leaf on May 14, 2015 22:30:06 GMT
The keeper does not ever take things. She recreates them. Unless there is something really, truly, exceptionally funky going on, the universes that feed into her domain should never notice her at all. (This forum counts as 'exceptionally funky' in that it allows the keeper to communicate with people outside her domain.) Does what you said about Pantheon still apply?
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Post by Botanical Engineer on May 14, 2015 22:34:12 GMT
I had thought that the admin might not be able to connect Dotted Lines's world because it has ghosts, and might also have a competing afterlife, but if that doesn't stop her in this forum, then she can go ahead and have it, especially since I did not have very clear afterlife plans.
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Hadassah
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Post by Hadassah on May 14, 2015 22:44:29 GMT
As long as she isn't removing any of the material, in spirit* or in physical form, I doubt that The Somethings from Pantheon would notice.
They might notice if she replicates one of the dead deities, but I would have to think about their response. Probably something like the interdimensional-multiuniversal equivalent of a politely worded letter for her to undo that, but they probably wouldn't start anything over it.
-- * By in spirit, I mean that if any of her ability removes or prevents The Somethings from Pantheon from later resurrecting, reviving or returning that "dead" material to the "living" world by whatever that means, They would have a problem with that.
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