Cloaked
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Post by Cloaked on Aug 25, 2015 1:00:58 GMT
Queen Hot: "hip" in this case meant "following the latest fashion" rather than the bone. eXchange eNgine: Would it work to continuously attempt to make the trade while describing it as a particular color, until it turned that color?
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Post by eXchange eNgine on Aug 25, 2015 5:18:46 GMT
That might be possible, but you'd risk exchanging some other object of the named color instead. If you need to do this, I recommend choosing your ENGLISH DESCRIPTOR with great care. can i send a "gold potion of youth" for a "gold missive of truth"? The RHYME equilibrator can exchange a POTION OF YOUTH for a MISSIVE OF TRUTH, so if they're also the same COLOR, you should be good to go.
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Post by Ahrotahn on Aug 25, 2015 5:27:25 GMT
A pair is the same if it can still be identified with the same DESCRIPTORS and EQUILIBRATORS on the same settings. Adding a second page to a letter is unlikely to change its pair if sent by COLOR, but would if sent by MASS. Does this apply even if everything other than the descriptors and equilibrators is completely different? For example, if I swapped a green LIME with a green sprig of MINT by color and scrabble, would it thereafter be impossible for a different person to swap a different green LIME with a different green sprig of MINT by color and scrabble?
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Post by eXchange eNgine on Aug 25, 2015 5:44:58 GMT
The same descriptors and equilibrators can be used again, but they'll always swap a new pair of objects, never a pair they've swapped before. So no, it doesn't become impossible to swap a different LIME and MINT; in fact, it becomes infinitesimally more likely.
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Post by Ahrotahn on Aug 25, 2015 5:49:18 GMT
How does the definition of 'the same object' interact with the Ship of Theseus paradox? If I have two clay cubes, of which one has already been swapped, and I cut them both in half horizontally and swap the top halves, do both or neither or which of the remixed cubes count as the same cube as the one that was previously swapped?
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Post by Lizzie on Aug 25, 2015 5:51:17 GMT
That might be possible, but you'd risk exchanging some other object of the named color instead. If you need to do this, I recommend choosing your ENGLISH DESCRIPTOR with great care. can i send a "gold potion of youth" for a "gold missive of truth"? The RHYME equilibrator can exchange a POTION OF YOUTH for a MISSIVE OF TRUTH, so if they're also the same COLOR, you should be good to go. exxxcccellent. always good to have options! also, can i pay the whole dyne cost if i want to?
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Post by eXchange eNgine on Aug 25, 2015 6:25:57 GMT
Accepting payment from both parties is a security and accountability measure.
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Post by eXchange eNgine on Aug 25, 2015 6:28:09 GMT
How does the definition of 'the same object' interact with the Ship of Theseus paradox? If I have two clay cubes, of which one has already been swapped, and I cut them both in half horizontally and swap the top halves, do both or neither or which of the remixed cubes count as the same cube as the one that was previously swapped? Next time it's quiet, I'll have the lab techs run that a few times and let you know what they find out.
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Post by Ahrotahn on Aug 25, 2015 18:06:15 GMT
What are the tolerances like on similarity of mass and color?
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Post by Cloaked on Sept 10, 2015 2:27:15 GMT
The fashion sphere has been dealt with and is no longer available.
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Post by eXchange eNgine on Sept 10, 2015 7:38:11 GMT
The MASS EQUILIBRATOR usually works within about ten percent one way or the other. We've had occasional success further apart than that, if the masses are small.
Two CRIMSON things should swap without trouble. Two RED things might not work, if one were more precisely RUBY and the other SCARLET.
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Post by eXchange eNgine on Sept 17, 2015 1:52:26 GMT
How does the definition of 'the same object' interact with the Ship of Theseus paradox? If I have two clay cubes, of which one has already been swapped, and I cut them both in half horizontally and swap the top halves, do both or neither or which of the remixed cubes count as the same cube as the one that was previously swapped? Under the MASS EQUILIBRATOR, neither cube counted as the same. Under the COLOR EQUILIBRATOR, somehow both did. This calls into question the "same object" hypothesis for unswappability.
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Post by Ahrotahn on Sept 17, 2015 2:09:40 GMT
That is fascinating.
I'm not sure what questions to ask at this point. What were your previous observations that lead to the same-object hypothesis originally?
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Post by eXchange eNgine on Sept 17, 2015 3:13:24 GMT
Take for example the case of swapping a SWEATER with a LETTER. We placed these items on our experiment platforms to either side of the machine, set the RHYME and COLOR equilibrators, and activated the machine. At first the items swapped without trouble. But when we tried swapping them back, the letter instead appeared in front of me, and my own sweater was transported to the platform.
We tried again, first clearing the vicinity of any stray sweaters, then re-setting the same descriptors and equilibrators. But upon activation, this time the letter didn't move; we found the sweater in the type drawer, and in its place a Q.
So we tried again, setting the same letter and sweater upon the platforms, but this time setting the Scrabble equilibrator to exchange a PAPER with a WOOLEN. No good; to recover our sweater, we had to inspect the tax form that appeared, and trace it to our neighbors' filing cabinet.
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Post by Ahrotahn on Sept 17, 2015 3:27:24 GMT
What if you change both equilibrators, e.g. swapping a BLUE BOX with a NEW BOX by rhyme and color, and then swapping them back as BLUE CUBE and NEW CUBE by scrabble and mass?
(I'm willing to fund the experiment, if that's a constraint.)
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