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Post by Dr. Realist on Aug 14, 2015 3:47:10 GMT
This entire thread has cooties. ... And that is just adorable.
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Erocentrism
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Post by Erocentrism on Aug 14, 2015 6:17:55 GMT
Well, I intend to acquire some means of assuming male form in a small percentage of my bodies at some point so I can be more equal opportunity. Seriously though, you are not going to convince me you're asking in good faith. Because "you can recognize what all [those arguments] actually meant." Which apparently wasn't "I feel like you're in way over your head, for the following reasons."
If you're accusing me of acting in bad faith, I'd appreciate it if you would stop dancing around the damn issue and tell me why you think so.
Because you keep trying to win an argument we're not having by implying false conflicts. You've done nothing but attack me with rhetorical tricks and double-talk from the start, and I don't want to play that game.
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Post by Dr. Realist on Aug 14, 2015 6:45:09 GMT
Because "you can recognize what all [those arguments] actually meant." Which apparently wasn't "I feel like you're in way over your head, for the following reasons."
If you're accusing me of acting in bad faith, I'd appreciate it if you would stop dancing around the damn issue and tell me why you think so.
Because you keep trying to win an argument we're not having by implying false conflicts. You've done nothing but attack me with rhetorical tricks and double-talk from the start, and I don't want to play that game. If we're not having an argument, then what on earth is all this faffing about for? "Implying false conflicts?" I'd say that our conflict is "ambitious person says they will fix a major world problem all by themselves, bystander inquires as to how exactly, would-be heroine refuses to explain despite mishandling of the issue being potentially disastrous, and accuses the bystander of having a hidden agenda to undermine her in some way she refuses to explain. Meanwhile, she also implies that asexual people are either diseased or lying to themselves. The bystander objects to that, which incidentally further reduces said bystander's estimation of her being able to handle complex social issues in a mature, responsible fashion." That's a very real conflict between me and you. (If you meant my implications that you might show porn to children/rape people/etc, please keep in mind that I don't know you from a great big ball of incandescent gas, and some people on this forum enjoy murder parties. I have not expressed anything not rooted in genuine concern for you or those around you.)
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Erocentrism
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Post by Erocentrism on Aug 14, 2015 16:51:54 GMT
Because you keep trying to win an argument we're not having by implying false conflicts. You've done nothing but attack me with rhetorical tricks and double-talk from the start, and I don't want to play that game. If we're not having an argument, then what on earth is all this faffing about for? "Implying false conflicts?" I'd say that our conflict is "ambitious person says they will fix a major world problem all by themselves, bystander inquires as to how exactly, would-be heroine refuses to explain despite mishandling of the issue being potentially disastrous, and accuses the bystander of having a hidden agenda to undermine her in some way she refuses to explain. Meanwhile, she also implies that asexual people are either diseased or lying to themselves. The bystander objects to that, which incidentally further reduces said bystander's estimation of her being able to handle complex social issues in a mature, responsible fashion." That's a very real conflict between me and you. Thank you for providing a blatant example of exactly what I mean by implying false conflicts. That certainly is a well-crafted load of revisionist not-quite-lies right there. We're not having an argument, you're having an argument with a made up opponent you're pretending is me while I watch in bemusement instead of engaging because I recognize a common trolling strategy when I see one.
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Post by Trumpet on Aug 14, 2015 18:50:26 GMT
You do come across as, ah, risking that outcome, Erocentrism. I share the Doctor's concerns, and you have not explained in what ways your approach will avoid them.
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Post by Erocentrism on Aug 14, 2015 19:20:49 GMT
You do come across as, ah, risking that outcome, Erocentrism. I share the Doctor's concerns, and you have not explained in what ways your approach will avoid them. What outcome or outcomes, specifically, are of such concern?
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Post by JoyToTheWorld on Aug 14, 2015 19:49:16 GMT
I think she's being very kind!
What Would you do if you were a we're water too?
I can edit my post
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Post by Ahrotahn on Aug 14, 2015 21:52:47 GMT
I'm not sure exactly what being a werewater entails. If I could be in multiple places at once, it seems like that would be sensorily overwhelming; if my mind were somehow altered to be able to handle that, I can't even imagine what that would be like.
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Post by JoyToTheWorld on Aug 14, 2015 23:32:03 GMT
Being in several places at once is pretty great, you can see things really clearly and do different things at once. It can be hard to concentrate though. There's so many distractions.
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Post by Dr. Realist on Aug 14, 2015 23:36:24 GMT
If we're not having an argument, then what on earth is all this faffing about for? "Implying false conflicts?" I'd say that our conflict is "ambitious person says they will fix a major world problem all by themselves, bystander inquires as to how exactly, would-be heroine refuses to explain despite mishandling of the issue being potentially disastrous, and accuses the bystander of having a hidden agenda to undermine her in some way she refuses to explain. Meanwhile, she also implies that asexual people are either diseased or lying to themselves. The bystander objects to that, which incidentally further reduces said bystander's estimation of her being able to handle complex social issues in a mature, responsible fashion." That's a very real conflict between me and you. Thank you for providing a blatant example of exactly what I mean by implying false conflicts. That certainly is a well-crafted load of revisionist not-quite-lies right there. We're not having an argument, you're having an argument with a made up opponent you're pretending is me while I watch in bemusement instead of engaging because I recognize a common trolling strategy when I see one. Just how exactly am I misrepresenting you? I agree that I could be, given the little you've given me to work with, but these passive-agressive bullshit accusations are really starting to annoy me. If you're going to argue, provide evidence. That is how arguments work. You do come across as, ah, risking that outcome, Erocentrism. I share the Doctor's concerns, and you have not explained in what ways your approach will avoid them. What outcome or outcomes, specifically, are of such concern? Let me try and list them. 1-3: You succeed, but don't pay attention to the people who genuinely don't want sex, and end up oppressing an entirely different set of people with your new set of cultural norms/end up raping people/generally force sex or sexual content on people who don't want it. 4: You succeed, but with other nasty side effects such as violent revolution. 5: You succeed temporarily, but can't maintain your new world because you never learned to interact sensibly with other people. Even if you have infinite numbers of 'you', eventually you will encounter a problem that requires skills you do not possess. 6-10 You fail. Options here include: Caught doing something illegal by the police & jailed; Burnout due to taking on too many large problems at once (yes, yes, you can split yourself, how do you plan to coordinate that long-term?); caught out doing foreign magic; losing foreign magic in your world; etc etc. I could go on, but ten's a nice even number and I don't want to waste too much time on this.
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Post by JoyToTheWorld on Aug 15, 2015 5:52:53 GMT
If you work in small steps and make people happier all along the way, then if toy don't get where you're going, you still made people happy! So I'm not to p worried about falling.
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Post by lurkingkobold on Aug 15, 2015 7:49:07 GMT
If someone is only making people happy, then yes, it doesn't matter very much whether they finish doing all the things they want to do.
If someone is making some people happy but hurting others, that's a lot more complicated. Sometimes that's a good idea anyway, and sometimes it happens because the person didn't know that there was a problem, but even in those cases it's important to be careful to avoid hurting people if there's a good way not to.
Erocentrism has hurt at least one person; I don't understand very much about what everyone else is saying, but they seem to think that there's a risk of them hurting other people, too. Even if they're only trying to make people happy, they should still be careful about that.
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Post by JoyToTheWorld on Aug 15, 2015 15:46:42 GMT
I make sure not to hurt people by only doing things people want. Is that what you do, euphemism?
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Post by Erocentrism on Aug 16, 2015 16:40:11 GMT
I'm not sure exactly what being a werewater entails. If I could be in multiple places at once, it seems like that would be sensorily overwhelming; if my mind were somehow altered to be able to handle that, I can't even imagine what that would be like. Each of my bodies has a brain, or a whatever it is that does brain-like things while I'm phased. Each instance improves my multitasking by exactly one complete thread of attention. I still have one mind, the same mind even, but I'm running on a second-order parallel processing network instead of on only one copy of my brain. None of the other werewaters (or wereblazes or werewinds or werestones) I've found seem to have learned how to instance themselves, or if they have they didn't do it enough that I saw any. Maybe I'm not the only one who figured it out, just the only one ambitious enough and not too disturbed to do it a lot. I make sure not to hurt people by only doing things people want. Is that what you do, euphemism? Essentially yes, but not always. Sometimes a person wants something that might make another person have bad feelings about sex, if it happened. Sometimes a person wants something that hurts people who have good feelings about sex. Sometimes a person want something unrelated that would indirectly make it more difficult for some other people to have sex. Most of what I do, now, I do in person, individual by individual, case by case, and I can spend as much time as I need wherever I need to make sure I get it right.
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Post by Lizzie on Aug 17, 2015 1:59:25 GMT
consent is IMPORTANT you ethics-impoverished cabbages
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