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Post by Mother Starlight on Nov 27, 2015 18:43:53 GMT
05:23 -!- Andygal has quit 09:43 -!- Adelene1 has quit 10:32 -!- Adelene has joined #backstage 10:32 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Adelene] by ChanServ 10:33 -!- Adelene has quit 10:44 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 10:44 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 10:54 <@Sonata> Does someone want to look at my current iconset for Unqualiafied and tell me if I'm imagining things with the 'this person looks familiar'? 10:54 <@Sonata> https://unqualiafied.dreamwidth.org/icons 12:36 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 13:17 -!- Sonata has quit 13:32 -!- Teceler has quit 13:49 -!- Teceler has joined #backstage 14:57 -!- Adelene has joined #backstage 14:57 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Adelene] by ChanServ 16:02 -!- MTC has quit 16:38 < Andygal> ... 16:39 <@Adelene> ? 16:40 < Andygal> chat is dead. 16:41 <@Adelene> mmhmm 18:10 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 18:10 < Faceless> Salutations 18:10 < Teceler> hello 18:15 < Faceless> o/ 18:16 < Faceless> what are you up to in this fine night? 19:27 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 19:27 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 19:32 < Faceless> hi sonata 19:32 <@Sonata> hi 19:32 < Faceless> how is unqualified shaping up to be? 19:32 <@Sonata> not thought much about it more since last discussed 19:33 <@Sonata> except I'm thinking the magic needs to have some sort of range limit 19:33 <@Sonata> but not a sharp threshold, a gradual harder/costlier with distance 19:33 < Faceless> ok 19:33 < Faceless> ...that world is really starting to make me uncomfortable 19:35 <@Sonata> it's definitely not a good world to live in 19:36 <@Sonata> but is it more/different than that? 19:36 <@Sonata> like 19:36 <@Sonata> there's bad like chelsea, and then there's bad like erocentrism 19:36 < Faceless> well, yes 19:37 <@Sonata> is it that meta/ooc kind of bad? 19:37 <@Sonata> or some other thing 19:37 < Faceless> wait, which is worse? last I heard it wasn't as bad as either? 19:37 < Faceless> more ooc kind of bad 19:37 < Faceless> albeit let me consult what my character think 19:37 < Teceler> Faceless, they're less degrees and more categories 19:37 * Faceless checks 19:37 < Teceler> like 19:37 < Teceler> [words] 19:38 < Faceless> every single one is screaming because of that word, except for Gabe, which is expected 19:38 < Faceless> Teceler, chelsea-bad is goal driven and erocentrism-bad is pleasure driven? 19:38 < Teceler> no 19:39 < Teceler> like, Chelsea-bad is... upsetting, but story-layer? whereas erocentrism was upsetting people in more than 'I care about this character and this is not good for them' way ooc 19:39 < Teceler> that's not quite it but closer at least I hope? 19:41 <@Adelene> Chelsea was Lawful Evil, Erocentrism was a bad failure mode of Chaotic Good. 19:41 < Faceless> huh, I understand what you meant, but Chelsea-bad also made me ooc uncomfortable? albeit not in the same level as erocentrism? 19:43 < Faceless> Adelene, that description is almost too accurate 19:43 <@Adelene> :) 19:43 <@Sonata> the distinction i was trying to get at was 19:44 <@Sonata> chelsea is a creepy character, erocentrism implies a creepy author 19:44 < Faceless> ah 19:44 <@Sonata> bad like mordor vs bad like gor 19:44 < Faceless> gor? 19:45 <@Sonata> if you don't know, treasure your innocence 19:45 <@Adelene> You probably don't want to know. :P 19:45 < Faceless> Sonata, I don't think less of you because of the setting. 19:45 <@Sonata> (will afk soon because food) 19:45 < Faceless> ok 19:45 <@Sonata> anyway 19:45 <@Sonata> my original goal was to try to clarify what you meant by 19:45 < Faceless> it makes me feel ooc bad, but just in about the same way any good-but-painful story makes me feel bad? 19:46 <@Sonata> > ...that world is really starting to make me uncomfortable 19:46 <@Adelene> In unrelated news, my brain continues to be confused at the idea of charaters that are not awake. 19:46 < Faceless> Sonata, I didn't meant that way, hopefully the confusion is cleared? 19:46 <@Sonata> yeah 19:46 <@Sonata> thanks 19:46 <@Sonata> so it's like 19:46 <@Sonata> mmm 19:47 < Faceless> Adelene, what do you mean? 19:47 <@Sonata> 'am irl unhappy because SLAIN WITH THE FEELS' 19:47 -!- Sonata is now known as sonomta 19:47 <@Adelene> We've moved into the Interacting With Elves portion of the Third Vorkosigan thread, and Swiftness Wintercloud promptly took up residence in the back of my head. 19:48 <@Adelene> He and Lurker would actually get along quite well if he wasn't a crazy elf and she wasn't a filthy kobold. ^^ 19:48 < Faceless> aaaah, I got busy and distracted with the Worm threads and forgot to read the portalbold thread >.> 19:49 <@Adelene> Well, go do. ^^ 19:49 < Andygal> Ade: XD 19:50 < Faceless> I will soon-ish, but first a question: Wintercloud is a MLP pegasus or something? 19:50 <@Adelene> Wintercloud is a Carp elf. 19:50 < Faceless> ah 19:50 < Faceless> Ah 19:50 < Faceless> AAAAAH 19:50 < Faceless> o.o 19:50 < Andygal> xD 19:50 <@Adelene> *giggle* *nod* 19:51 * Faceless offers hugs for lurker 19:51 <@Adelene> Lurker noped out like five minutes before he even showed up. ^^ 19:52 < Faceless> ok, gonna read it 19:52 < Faceless> but before, anyone can give sugestions for a book related screen name? 20:11 -!- sonomta is now known as Sonata 20:12 <@Sonata> 'book' is kind of broad, is there anything else about the character to cleverly cross-over with? 20:15 < Faceless> The "Sophia Prime" comes from a very traditionally religious family, is very shy and tends to lack a backbone (the general idea is having her eventually growing one), she /loves/ books and tends to get books/writing related powers (sometimes paper-related powers) 20:16 < Faceless> one of the first things noticeable about her is how she is /very/ tall and makes everything to make herself small and divert attention from herself 20:17 < Faceless> she however does have something of a... good moral center? and won't shy away when another person is getting hurt 20:17 < Faceless> huh, oh, she is Franklyn's mom (Of All Trades) 20:18 < Faceless> sounds like the most important traits so far 20:21 <@Sonata> *brainstorming* ... bible, canon/rod, lex/law 20:22 < Faceless> rod? 20:22 <@Sonata> libra ("book", also suggests scales->justice) 20:22 <@Sonata> "canon" etymologically means something like "measuring rod" 20:26 < Faceless> ah 20:26 < Faceless> hmmm 20:27 < Faceless> I am liking libra for something, maybe if I can find or make a phrase with it 20:31 < Faceless> "free in a book" google translated to "liberum in libro" 20:43 < Faceless> huh, that sounds like best idea I came up so far I tried other combinations, but no other had a nice ring to it 20:44 < Andygal> It's cool. 20:45 < Faceless> thanks ^^ 20:45 < Faceless> I don't suppose anyone here knows latim to tell me if the setence is correct? 20:45 < Faceless> sentence* 20:50 <@Sonata> I don't 20:50 <@Sonata> you might try looking up the individual words on wiktionary? 20:52 < Faceless> I think I know someone that does know latim, but he isn't online 21:14 < Andygal> I don't remember enough Latin, sorry. 21:33 < Faceless> thanks, he logged in and is helping 21:35 < Faceless> the current options is "Libera in Libro" or "In Libro Libera" apparently there should be some marks that DW doesn't provide anyway, and I like the ambiguity 21:37 <@Sonata> I think I like In Libro Libera better of those two 21:40 < Faceless> yeah, we are just talking about it 21:40 < Faceless> because it sounds like philosopher's quote 21:40 < Faceless> (it has similar structure to in vino veritas) 21:43 < Andygal> Heh 21:45 * Adelene is quite pleased with Swiftness Wintercloud. ^^ 21:46 < Faceless> Oh, right, I should go back to that thread 21:46 < Faceless> why Sebastian Stan's face is so distractable? Inquiring minds want to know 21:47 <@Adelene> hee 21:59 -!- Adelene is now known as Sleepdelene 22:13 < Faceless> Horrible mistake: picturing Wintercloud as Legolas!Orlando Bloom making weird faces at the camera 22:14 <@Sleepdelene> pfffft 22:34 < Andygal> pfffft 22:34 < Faceless> XD 22:35 < Faceless> I know he belongs to a horrible person, but a sloth bear mount is ridiculous cute 22:35 <@Sonata> slothbears, beaverducks, are we sure we're not in atlaverse? 22:37 < Faceless> someone try bending! 22:40 <@Sonata> I can bend my elbows 22:40 < Faceless> the art of jointbending 22:44 < Andygal> pffffthahaha 22:58 < Faceless> I have to go sleep 22:58 < Faceless> good night o/ 23:00 -!- Faceless has quit 23:48 -!- Sonata has quit --- Day changed Wed Nov 25 2015 00:03 -!- Teceler has quit 00:04 -!- Teceler has joined #backstage 01:04 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 02:40 <@Sleepdelene> cccccccccccccccccg g
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Post by Mother Starlight on Nov 27, 2015 18:44:32 GMT
05:40 -!- MTC has quit 06:20 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 08:49 -!- FacelesSlime has joined #backstage 08:49 < FacelesSlime> o/ 10:55 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 10:55 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 11:16 < FacelesSlime> hi Sonata? 11:16 <@Sonata> hi 11:16 < Andygal> Hi. 11:18 < FacelesSlime> So something that go me worried because of yesterday conversation, do I come off as creepy when I make a "evil" setting or evil-thing from a setting? 11:20 < Andygal> Well that depends. 11:20 < Andygal> <words> 11:21 < FacelesSlime> depends of what kind of words? 11:22 < FacelesSlime> I often get excited when i come up with /bad/ things because I feel it is a skill I lack 11:22 <@Sonata> I don't think it's usually creepy 11:23 < Andygal> I am not good at explaining my thoughts. 11:24 -!- Sleepdelene is now known as Adelene 11:24 < FacelesSlime> :/ 11:26 < FacelesSlime> ah, well, I have to leave 11:26 < FacelesSlime> later o/ 11:26 -!- FacelesSlime has quit 12:38 -!- Xom has quit 12:46 -!- Xom has joined #backstage 13:15 -!- Adelene has quit 13:15 -!- MTC has quit 14:01 -!- Sonata has quit 15:02 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 15:02 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 15:47 -!- Adelene has joined #backstage 15:47 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Adelene] by ChanServ 17:17 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 17:18 < Faceless> o/ 17:21 <@Sonata> hello 17:24 < Faceless> how are things? 17:25 <@Sonata> pretty good 17:26 < Faceless> great ^^ 18:02 -!- Faceless has quit 18:09 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 18:10 < Faceless> hi again 18:15 -!- Faceless has quit 23:24 -!- Sonata has quit --- Day changed Thu Nov 26 2015 01:06 -!- MTC has joined #backstage
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Post by Mother Starlight on Nov 27, 2015 18:45:16 GMT
04:11 -!- Andygal has quit 09:03 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 10:50 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 11:14 -!- Faceless has quit 12:01 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 12:01 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 12:49 <@Sonata> omg toasted fried garlic 12:56 < Andygal> OMG 14:43 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 14:45 < Faceless> hello o/ 14:45 <@Sonata> hi 14:45 < Faceless> how are things? 14:46 <@Sonata> good 14:47 < Faceless> great ^_^ 14:47 < Faceless> How far you guys have tried out marri's glowfic site? 14:48 <@Sonata> I've signed up and added a couple of characters 14:49 <@Sonata> including bringing over one full iconset 14:50 < Andygal> I've seen it. 14:50 < Andygal> it's a great idea. 14:51 < Faceless> Proserpina is a human version of Rarity? 14:51 <@Sonata> yeah 14:51 <@Sonata> specifically for potterverse type worlds 14:51 < Faceless> cool 14:51 < Andygal> cool. 14:52 < Faceless> that name is very... purebloodish 14:53 <@Sonata> I'm not totally decided about her blood status 14:53 <@Sonata> currently I'm thinking she's second-generation magical, parents both muggleborn 14:53 <@Sonata> not sure what to do about the name 14:53 < Faceless> simple 14:53 <@Sonata> She's definitely Slytherin, though. 14:53 < Faceless> they tried to give her a pureblood name so she wouldn't be discriminated 14:59 <@Sonata> I don't think so 14:59 <@Sonata> Original Rarity's parents are embarrassing hicks. 15:00 <@Sonata> I think Proserpina must have chosen her own name. 15:00 <@Sonata> Or maybe chosen for her by pureblooded childhood friends. 15:01 <@Sonata> (Who may or may not have been playing a mean prank by giving her a horse's name.) 15:01 < Faceless> horse's name from where? 15:01 <@Sonata> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incitatus 15:01 <@Sonata> Roman Senator under Caligula. 15:13 < Faceless> ah, ok 15:13 < Faceless> what proserpina usually gets into? 15:14 -!- Sonata has quit 16:02 -!- MTC has quit 18:03 * Faceless gently pokes chat 18:06 -!- Faceless has quit 18:55 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 22:17 -!- Evenstar has joined #backstage 22:17 * Evenstar takes a breath 22:17 * Evenstar lets it out again 22:17 < Teceler> hello Evenstar! 22:17 * Evenstar has just come up from air because Papers Week 22:17 < Evenstar> *for 22:17 * Evenstar waves to Teceler 22:17 < Teceler> ouch 22:18 < Teceler> I hope that's over, or nearly so? 22:18 < Evenstar> Closeish 22:19 < Evenstar> Finals in two weeks (yay?) 22:20 * Evenstar examines Unbitwise's magic system 22:20 < Andygal> Hi Evenstar! 22:20 < Teceler> good luck 22:20 < Evenstar> I feel like Isabella + Claiming would result in interesting things also hi Andygal 22:20 < Evenstar> <3 you all :3 22:21 < Teceler> ...yeah I can imagine that 22:21 < Faceless> hi tevenstar 22:22 < Faceless> what is up with Isabella and claiming? 22:26 < Evenstar> Well 22:27 < Evenstar> Claiming is all about 'this is mine' 22:27 < Evenstar> and it works on familiarity and extending one's sense of self 22:27 < Evenstar> And it has a strong mental-practice element. 22:27 < Evenstar> Isabella interacts with this in interesting ways, because 1: 22:28 < Evenstar> Isabella is Very Insistent about what is Hers. 22:28 < Evenstar> 2: Isabella has practice with Memnodynes, which give her a power much like claiming over things biological 22:29 < Evenstar> 3: Memnodynes incorporate similar modes of ritual practice to Claiming. 22:30 < Evenstar> 4: Isabella's sense-of-self is already nonstandard in some ways due to her habitual Memnodyne use and controlling nature. 22:34 < Faceless> So she would like, get tons of claimed stuff and master the art and rule the world bwahahaha? 22:34 < Andygal> hahaha 22:34 < Teceler> pft 22:35 < Evenstar> Faceless: Well, Memnodynes are kind of designed to break most combinations of magic system :P 22:36 < Evenstar> But nah, mostly I think it would be mutual confusion between her and her teacher as they both go 'wait, magic doesn't work like that' 22:36 < Evenstar> And then Isabella being horrified that her own body is considered 'unclaimed' 22:36 < Evenstar> and then some rapid-fire mass-claiming attempts that might or might not go horribly wrong 22:37 < Teceler> oh dear 22:38 < Evenstar> (It depends on how claiming works.) 22:38 < Faceless> teceler, I take your words and repeat them 22:38 < Faceless> would Isabella be able to channel her memmodynes through claimed stuff? 22:38 < Faceless> I think the correct term is kortarem? 22:39 < Evenstar> Faceless: Yes, but she would need lots of practice first, at least a year's worth. 22:39 < Evenstar> It would be totally worth it of course 22:39 < Evenstar> but the point of Isabella's magic system is that it can replace any tool with mental effort, given enough time and persistence 22:40 < Evenstar> It's the 'time and persistence' part that's hard. 22:40 < Faceless> and will power too? 22:40 < Evenstar> Koratem is just a new, nonintuitive tool for Isabella to build a Memnos of. 22:40 < Evenstar> The willpower part is there, but minimized. 22:41 < Evenstar> You don't need to be good at staring contests to be a Magecrafter. 22:41 < Evenstar> (It helps, but it's not required.) 22:41 < Evenstar> (Useful secondary skill.) 22:42 < Evenstar> Will's much more important for shamanism, the OTHER Gap!magic system. 22:43 < Faceless> I asked because of that sandbox with The Lord Ruler 22:43 < Faceless> where you used and abused of willpower compounding 22:43 < Evenstar> Faceless: Yep! 22:43 < Andygal> heeeee. 22:43 < Evenstar> It's like giving a firefighter the ability to fly. 22:44 < Evenstar> Is it technically necessary for their job? Nope. 22:44 < Evenstar> Does it help a LOT? Yep. 22:44 < Andygal> TLR canonically abuses magic systems horribly. 22:46 < Faceless> god... 22:46 < Faceless> TLR with claiming stuff magic o.o 22:46 < Faceless> RUIN WITH CLAIMING STUFF MAGIC! 22:46 <@Adelene> Oh Evenstar. Not now but sometime, I'm curious what happens if Portalbold finds the OTC. 22:46 < Evenstar> The one that ended up in Ardelay-land? 22:46 < Faceless> Adelene, correction, WE are curious. That sounds fun. 22:46 <@Adelene> :D 22:47 <@Adelene> The one that ended up with the Ardelays is an instance of the class, yes. 22:47 < Evenstar> Sure, I can probably run that 22:48 < Evenstar> If you want to start that thread I will post in it 22:48 <@Adelene> *nod* 22:48 < Evenstar> (I make no promises that I will do so on any sort of reasonable schedule, though. :P) 22:48 < Evenstar> ('Cause, y'know, finals.) 22:48 <@Adelene> Not right now, anyway, I don't have enough brain. 22:51 * Faceless offers brain-hugs 22:51 < Faceless> Evenstar, how many of the dreaded finals are left? 22:53 < Evenstar> All of them 22:53 < Evenstar> Because they don't start for another few weeks 22:53 < Evenstar> (in december) 22:53 < Faceless> Ah, that is a whole lot of dread finals, good luck >.> 22:54 < Andygal> Yeah. Good luck. 22:54 < Evenstar> (At least creative writing doesn't have a final :P) 22:56 < Teceler> (...I am now trying to imagine what a Creative Writing final would look like) 22:58 < Faceless> what is creative writing as opposed to... writing? If you don't mind the dumb question. 22:58 < Evenstar> I believe it sounds like this 22:58 < Evenstar> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogPZ5CY9KoM 22:58 < Evenstar> Faceless: What it really means so far as I can tell is 'Short Story Writing' 23:05 < Faceless> I shouldn't be surprised that monty python produced that 23:09 < Faceless> the otc doesn't provide interdimensional travel? 23:10 < Evenstar> Faceless: As a general rule, no 23:10 < Evenstar> They like their interdimensional trade monopoly 23:11 < Evenstar> Of course, shameless bribery will get you everywhere with the OTC 23:11 < Evenstar> but it's one of their higher-priced items at the very least 23:13 < Faceless> huh. I have been actually considering giving a character interdimensional travel powers, but it feels like... cheating xP 23:13 <@Adelene> I'm a little bit curious how they're going to react to Lurker showing up with it. Particularly since for the most part she doesn't need anything. (The instance of her that's facilitating the Third Vorkosigan has a translation necklace, but by default she doesn't and would want one; beyond that, though, not really.) 23:14 <@Adelene> I'm suspicious that they'll try to hire her, which is an amusing prospect considering. ^^ 23:14 < Faceless> Adelene, could we set something like offscreen kobold travel services? 23:14 <@Adelene> hm? 23:15 <@Adelene> If you want Portalbold facilitating someone to go somewhere for sandbox purposes, sure, I don't mind that. It's not entirely obvious how that'd work without being needlessly complicated though. 23:15 < Faceless> the main reason I want interdimensional travel is so my characters could go over Telra (The bluestream world) 23:16 < Evenstar> Faceless: Well, there's always Astra 23:16 < Evenstar> (:3) 23:16 <@Adelene> Lurker has aiming problems, is the thing - you'd need either a pre-existing way for them to get her there once, or a good reason for them to be asking her to open portals to random places. 23:16 < Evenstar> (Owing a favor to the death goddess couldn't possibly be a bad idea) 23:17 < Faceless> Evenstar, what she would want in exchange? 23:17 < Evenstar> Probably nothing! 23:18 < Evenstar> Like, legitimately. 23:18 < Evenstar> Astra cares more about your opinion of her than any small service you could do her. 23:19 < Evenstar> It's just 23:19 < Faceless> opinion in what sense? o.o 23:19 < Evenstar> do you want to get into the habit of relying on an Excrucian for casual planar travel? 23:19 < Evenstar> Faceless: She actually cares about wether you regard her as a friend/nice/etc 23:20 < Evenstar> It's just that she has a moral compass firmly fixed on 'the continued existence of you and your universe is an atrocity' 23:20 < Faceless> Evenstar, to be honest... CFW is rather scared of her. 23:21 <@Adelene> (Actually, Evenstar, I expect OTC to be VERY interested in Lurker's portal magic, since she can not only open portals to random worlds, but she can specify things about what the random world is like.) 23:21 < Andygal> Astra is polite, but very very blue and orange. 23:21 < Evenstar> (That is the kind of thing that they would pay many monies for) 23:21 < Faceless> Andygal, I am noticing 23:22 <@Adelene> (They would! Lurker is /deeply uncomfortable/ with that sort of offer. Blue and orange morality vs. yellow and purple morality, yay! \o/ ^^ ) 23:22 < Faceless> Tama's interworld travel wouldn't be random, but it would require some coordination and she has zero interest in doing it frequently 23:23 < Faceless> Adelene, pfft, lurker is the best 23:23 <@Adelene> :D 23:23 < Evenstar> Astra is of the opinion that it's not your fault that you exist, so she can't blame you for it 23:23 < Evenstar> (Unless you're, like, a deity, in which case she might blame you) 23:24 < Evenstar> But she generally regards most people in the sort of way you might regard a cat. 23:24 < Faceless> Evenstar, what about suicide and parenting? 23:24 < Evenstar> If the cat clearly wants something, she indulges it, but she doesn't really care much about the cat's opinions save that the cat keeps listening to her. 23:25 < Evenstar> Faceless: It's not people's fault that they're born with instincts that make them want to survive/have kids. 23:25 < Evenstar> Suicide is a supererogatory duty for residents of creation in her value system. 23:26 < Evenstar> Like, she'll applaud you for it if you decide to not have children/commit suicide, but that's your descision. 23:26 < Faceless> wait,the cat is supposed to mean Tama or it is a metaphorical cat? 23:26 < Andygal> It's a metaphorical cat. 23:26 < Evenstar> Faceless: Metaphorical non-magic cat. 23:27 < Faceless> ok, sorry 23:27 < Faceless> I am a bit sleepy 23:27 < Evenstar> It's no problem 23:28 <@Adelene> ...OTC would totally consider Portalbold a deity, huh. That will be Interesting. 23:28 < Evenstar> It's just that Astra essentially gives most people the same moral weight that we give animals 23:28 < Faceless> MWF/Glowfic should do that pantheon thing that Tvtropes does! 23:28 < Evenstar> sure, we have some weight, it's just 23:28 < Faceless> Lurker! Deity of Scritches and Kobolds! 23:28 <@Adelene> heee ^^ 23:29 <@Adelene> That's not the sense I meant, but. ^^ 23:30 < Evenstar> Astra doesn't really consider mortals to be in control of their own lives enough to be responsible for their actions. (In the broader picture - she still will condemn a warlord for the same sorts of reasons you might call a maneating tiger a menace.) 23:31 < Faceless> not sure if I understand 23:31 < Evenstar> Like 23:31 < Teceler> ...but the warlord is making people not exist? 23:31 < Evenstar> If a cat knocks a vase off your shelf, you blame the cat a little, but on the other hand, it's just a cat, it doesn't really know what it's doing. 23:31 <@Adelene> (I meant more that if she's interacting with them on that scale and they don't /completely/ fuck it up, she's going to need to go have a think about what she wants to do with this absurd and unprecedented amount of power.) 23:31 < Evenstar> Teceler: But in doing so he's causing suffering, and Astra does actually care about that. 23:32 < Teceler> point 23:32 < Evenstar> If I could summarize Astra's worldview: 23:32 < Evenstar> 1: Suffering is bad. 23:32 < Evenstar> 2: Only things that exist suffer. 23:32 < Evenstar> 3: Therefore, nothing should exist. 23:32 -!- Faceless has quit 23:32 < Evenstar> 4: Therefore, Creation should succumb to the Not. 23:33 < Evenstar> The points that most people disagree with are 2 and 3. 23:34 < Evenstar> Astra contends that she has proof of 2 as a being that doesn't exist (weird Excrucian Metaphysics woooo) 23:35 < Evenstar> Astra is sympathetic to arguments that 'we have enough nice things to justify suffering', but she won't budge from the position that life in the Not is infinitely better than life in Creation. 23:37 < Evenstar> (A roughly-analogous argument: "I have returned from heaven, it was awesome, I want to kill everybody so that they can get into Heaven faster.") 23:37 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 23:37 < Faceless> What miss I did? 23:37 < Faceless> what did I miss?* 23:37 < Teceler> aw, you came in right after the line that would be hilarious to come in to 23:37 < Evenstar> (A roughly-analogous argument: "I have returned from heaven, it was awesome, I want to kill everybody so that they can get into Heaven faster.") 23:37 < Teceler> what was the last thing you saw? 23:38 < Faceless> some started a list with a 1? 23:38 < Teceler> irc-pmed 23:41 < Faceless> ok 23:41 < Faceless> very blue orange 23:41 < Faceless> what are Not metaphysics? 23:41 < Evenstar> Not: The place outside Creation that only Excrucians can perceive. 23:41 < Teceler> semi-joke answer: they aren't 23:41 < Evenstar> Or maybe they're lying. 23:42 < Evenstar> Maybe there really isn't anything out there. 23:42 < Evenstar> Or maybe nto. 23:42 < Evenstar> *not. 23:42 < Evenstar> Not? 23:42 < Evenstar> :P 23:42 < Faceless> xD 23:43 < Andygal> XD 23:45 < Faceless> ah, Evenstar, a question 23:45 < Evenstar> Yes? 23:45 < Faceless> I might start posting a character that is the gestalt super-intelligence hivemind of Mars 23:45 < Faceless> how much Buddhitanka should such being be able to create? 23:46 < Evenstar> Lots. 23:47 < Faceless> it has figured out "vector manipulation" which as far I can tell translates into "martians can have telekinesis" and FTL plus a bunch of stuff xP 23:47 < Evenstar> But on the scale of superminds... More or less intelligent than a TITAN? 23:47 < Faceless> huh, I am unsure, do you have examples of things that TITAN can do? 23:47 < Teceler> ...Faceless I should point out that there's a very good reason I have not let the Prometheans at the forum 23:48 < Faceless> teceler? 23:48 < Teceler> (the reason is: /so much fire/) 23:50 < Evenstar> I dunno 23:50 < Faceless> ah 23:50 < Faceless> urgh, better scrap the idea off 23:51 < Teceler> sorry 23:51 < Teceler> it's an interesting idea! but you need to keep it fairly inaccessiable to the forum or very busy, I think 23:52 < Andygal> Uh-huh. 23:52 < Teceler> (like, they're only involved via forum inaccessible) 23:52 < Faceless> my general idea was that it takes a "extremely high bandwitch connection" for it to access the forum 23:53 < Evenstar> "high bandwitch" 23:53 < Faceless> which for Mars likely means something like channeling a percentage of the sun's power or some sort of similar impressive technobabble 23:53 < Evenstar> Please tell me that was deliberate 23:53 < Teceler> pffft 23:53 < Faceless> It was deliberate 23:54 < Faceless> and not in anyway caused by me 23:54 < Evenstar> <3 23:54 < Faceless> being too tired to stay with my eyes open 23:54 < Teceler> do you need to go sleep Faceless? 23:54 < Faceless> Yes, but I don't waaanaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 23:59 < Faceless> urgh, fine! you win this time body! 23:59 < Evenstar> Listen to the body 23:59 < Teceler> sleep well 23:59 < Faceless> going to bed 23:59 < Evenstar> it is annoying I know 23:59 < Faceless> thanks people, have a pleasant too o/ 23:59 < Evenstar> but it tells you things that are important 23:59 < Evenstar> on that note 23:59 < Evenstar> goodnight 23:59 < Evenstar> I also should be asleep >.> 23:59 <@Adelene> Sleep well, Faceless. 23:59 < Faceless> \o 23:59 < Faceless> thanks 23:59 < Evenstar> o/ 23:59 <@Adelene> You too, Evenstar. --- Day changed Fri Nov 27 2015 00:00 < Evenstar> night all 00:00 -!- Evenstar has quit 00:00 -!- Faceless has quit 00:00 < Teceler> sleepw wll evenstar 00:00 < Teceler> oh, too later 00:00 < Teceler> *late 01:04 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 01:33 < Teceler> mm. I'm going to go sleep too now, I think 01:33 < Andygal> Night Tec! 01:34 -!- Teceler is now known as Teceler|Asleep 01:34 * Teceler|Asleep actually remembered to do that XD 01:34 * Teceler|Asleep good nights 01:34 * Teceler|Asleep may have typoed that as god nights to start with
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Post by Mother Starlight on Nov 28, 2015 18:14:58 GMT
07:34 -!- MrFaceless has joined #backstage 07:34 < MrFaceless> o/ 07:48 -!- MTC has quit 07:49 -!- Andygal has quit 07:51 -!- MrFaceless has quit 09:21 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 09:27 -!- Faceless has quit 10:43 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 10:43 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 11:08 <@Sonata> note to self: Proserpina Incitatus's birth name is Cora Swift 11:43 -!- Teceler|Asleep is now known as Teceler 11:43 < Teceler> pft 15:02 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 16:21 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 16:39 < Faceless> hi! 16:40 <@Sonata> hi 16:42 < Faceless> hi sonata! how are things? 16:43 <@Sonata> pretty good 16:48 < Faceless> yay, news? 16:48 <@Sonata> not much 16:57 < Faceless> "I may be mortal, but I am hardly so uncultured as to object to people appearing suddenly." 16:58 < Faceless> not sure if I understood this sonata 16:58 <@Sonata> possibly I misfollowed the preceding thread 16:58 <@Sonata> but she's a Slytherin Hogwarts Rarity 16:58 <@Sonata> and /very/ concerned about her image as Not One Of The Muggles 17:01 < Faceless> appearing means apparating? 17:01 <@Sonata> yeah 17:01 <@Sonata> or at least, that's how she interpreted 'appearing suddenly' and 'mortals' being weirded out about it 17:02 <@Adelene> Appearing is the thing you do at the place you're going to when you teleport. Apparition is a form of teleportation. 17:02 < Faceless> aaaaaaaaaah 17:02 < Faceless> got it, the euphemism flew over her head 17:02 <@Adelene> (It's also used for other kinds of arriving, more metaphorically.) 17:04 < Andygal> You are allowed to make mistakes. 17:04 < Andygal> My dad has a friend in Brazil, we always tell her that when our Portugese is as good as her English then maybe she can be embarrassed about her English. :) 17:07 < Faceless> I think my mistake is that I forgot about Constatine's post 17:07 < Faceless> and my brain parsed as Proserpina just randomly talking about appearing 17:07 < Faceless> instead of referencing "appearing johns" 17:09 <@Sonata> Flew over my head too. 17:09 < Faceless> seriously? o.o 17:09 <@Sonata> Definitely missed the context I would have needed. 17:10 <@Sonata> ...on further investigation I'm not sure the context /was/ there 17:10 <@Sonata> that was JC's first post in the thread, wasn't it? 17:10 <@Sonata> so he was actually literally arriving 17:11 < Faceless> yeah, but Alli then made a doubl entendre 17:11 <@Sonata> ...oh /dear/ 17:14 < Faceless> which afterwards temperance made a comment relevant due to the her nature as witch, then genie and fenris posted in general agreement ^^ 17:15 <@Sonata> Yep, I see it now. 17:15 < Faceless> Sorry :/ 17:16 <@Sonata> Nah, it's fine. 17:19 < Faceless> huh, how proserpina is doing under this revelation? 17:23 * Sonata is behind on the thread 17:24 <@Sonata> ...there doesn't seem to be a new post after her last. 17:24 <@Sonata> So she's still in the dark atm. 17:25 <@Sonata> But she'll take it more or less in stride. 17:26 < Faceless> yeah, I meant more the meta!prosperina 17:26 < Faceless> or the meta!rarity? 17:26 < Faceless> you know what I mean 17:27 <@Sonata> Meta!Proserpina seems to have decided that sexual hangups are a Muggle thing, and dick jokes rather lose their titillating edge if one is getting laid regularly. 17:28 <@Sonata> One doesn't gossip in fervent whispers about what one had for lunch; why should lovers be any different? 17:28 <@Sonata> s/fervent/furtive/ 17:32 < Faceless> ... 17:33 < Faceless> you realize that this makes me want 17:33 < Faceless> seeing Proserpina saying those words to Alli? 17:33 < Faceless> That sounds like a glorious catastrophe 17:33 <@Sonata> That's not too hard to arrange, I think 17:35 < Andygal> (cackle) 17:35 < Faceless> xD3 17:35 <@Sonata> I think your emoticon is suffering from ballsonchinitis 17:39 <@Sonata> The first step is someone has to explain to Proserpina that it was a sexual reference 17:49 < Faceless> sure thing 17:49 < Faceless> give me a sec 17:51 < Faceless> ok 17:55 <@Sonata> Faceless, tag 18:01 -!- Faceless has quit 18:04 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 18:04 < Faceless> did I miss anything? 18:06 <@Sonata> I tagged you 18:07 < Faceless> right on it 18:12 < Faceless> posted 18:15 < Faceless> albeit, more importantly Alli should post 18:15 <@Sonata> right 18:15 <@Sonata> we're at the point we need a contrary voice 18:17 < Faceless> maybe poke Marri about it? xD 18:18 <@Sonata> or you could have Anthony say something? 18:26 < Faceless> sure, he was being sarcastic before 18:27 < Faceless> I still keep seing Adana o.o 18:28 <@Sonata> aww. I thought I did a good job of picking pictures that don't look like her. 18:28 <@Sonata> I might just be bad at faces. 18:32 < Faceless> maybe I am too good at faces, it is a curse 18:38 < Andygal> Well if you don't have one of your own... *shot* 18:39 < Faceless> shot? 18:40 < Andygal> For making a bad joke. 18:46 < Faceless> ah, sorry 18:46 <@Sonata> ...Curiosity seems to be heading toward the elves getting portal magic. 18:47 < Faceless> I feeling oddly sleepy I think it is a new alergy medication 18:47 < Faceless> Sonata, me what? 18:47 <@Sonata> the thread "Curiosity did what, now?" 18:47 <@Sonata> Vorkobold 18:48 < Faceless> ah xD 18:49 < Faceless> vorkobold makes me think of kobold vorkosigan triplets 18:49 < Faceless> except it is hard to think such thing 18:50 <@Sonata> Miles steal of /army/ 18:51 <@Sonata> Mark would be /so good/ at kobolding, omg 18:51 <@Sonata> And Miles would be so good at the rest of kobolding 18:56 <@Adelene> *giggle* 18:56 < Andygal> *giggle* 18:57 <@Sonata> I /really/ want to see kobold vorkosigans now 18:57 <@Adelene> The elves are not actually on a trajectory to get portal magic? I'm not sure where you got that idea. 18:57 <@Adelene> Like 18:57 <@Sonata> they're intending to research how to get him home? 18:57 <@Adelene> Carp magic isn't researchable. 18:57 <@Sonata> oh 18:58 <@Sonata> in that case I don't understand why they thought they would be a reasonable chance to get him home, as opposed to either definitely can or definitely can't? 18:59 <@Adelene> They're thinking they can trap the tigerfolk and get the tigerfolk mage to do it. 18:59 <@Sonata> aha. 18:59 <@Adelene> (They're still guessing it was the tigerfolk who got him in the first place.) 18:59 <@Sonata> (Ah.) 19:00 <@Adelene> Also failing that they can put the word out to see if anyone from farther away has interdimensional-teleportation magic. It'll take a few years to hear back from all the places, but it's still something they can try. 19:00 <@Sonata> Reasonable enough. 19:00 <@Adelene> *nod* 19:01 < Faceless> how nice of the tree-huggers :) 19:01 <@Adelene> And then failing that, and also while that's going on, it's up to the council what's done with him. Which might be less than nice. 19:01 <@Sonata> Elarron is... Aluvai? Which don't look particularly human in comparison to other humanoids? 19:02 < Faceless> I think he has a tail and claws? 19:02 < Andygal> Yeah. 19:02 < Faceless> maybe this business will earn him his wings 19:02 <@Adelene> *nod* They know they don't know all the species of people in the world, though. 19:02 < Faceless> or he could save a desperate person from jumping off a bridge 19:03 <@Sonata> haha 19:04 < Andygal> and convince them the world would be a worse place without him? 19:04 < Andygal> *them 19:04 < Faceless> yup 19:04 <@Adelene> pft. 19:05 < Faceless> random character concept, incompetent angel with that job, except he always gets the wrong person and thinks their protests of "I am not X" is just a disguise to not receive their vision 19:06 <@Adelene> That doesn't seem like a mistake you could make more than once or twice. 19:06 <@Sonata> I think being clue-resistant might get annoying to read about a lot 19:07 < Faceless> it is a random character concept, not a good one 19:07 < Faceless> xD 19:07 < Andygal> xD 19:07 <@Sonata> I like the concept of a bumbling angel though 19:08 < Faceless> maybe he doesn't want to fill in the paper work so he just goes along with the mistake 19:08 <@Sonata> can we get an Ari to be a Bad Decision Angel 19:08 <@Adelene> hee ^^ 19:09 < Faceless> outside my department, not that I would complain xD 19:16 < Faceless> Sonata, replied to proserpina 19:17 < Faceless> I vaguely want to do a sandbox on the new... forum I guess it is a forum? 19:18 <@Sonata> Platform? 19:21 < Faceless> suppose 19:30 < Faceless> Sonata, what else can you tell us about Proserpina? 19:31 <@Sonata> She's a Slytherin. Her parents are Muggleborn. Her younger sister is Dulcibelle Swift and goes by CB. 19:31 <@Sonata> Proserpina has repeatedly attempted to expose her to Culture; the only thing that's come close to sticking was opera, and that resulted in CB singing _Different As Can Be_ for three weeks straight. 19:31 <@Sonata> She's into a sort of steelman version of blood purity. 19:32 < Faceless> steelman version? 19:32 <@Sonata> Opposite of a strawman. 19:33 <@Sonata> Take a bad or weak position and invent a stronger and better version of it. 19:33 < Faceless> huh, how does that works? 19:33 < Faceless> ah 19:34 < Faceless> elaborate? 19:36 <@Sonata> Muggleborns are destroying traditional wizarding culture through assimilation and appropriation. Muggle culture has no respect for tradition; they rarely think in time horizons longer than a decade, let alone a century. Such short-sighted handling of Muggle technology already borders on the apocalyptic; our best hope for life on Earth to have a future is for wizarding culture to lead the muggles out of the dark. But the tide of culture has be 19:36 <@Sonata> en going the other way. We are fighting a losing battle for the fate of the world. 19:37 < Andygal> pfffft 19:37 < Faceless> I understand what you mean with steelman, but those argument sounded rather weak to me 19:37 <@Sonata> *shrug* 19:38 < Faceless> but maybe it is just my absolute negative reaction to the concept of "tradition" 19:38 <@Sonata> I'm sure I can make it stronger through debate. 19:39 -!- sonatagreen has joined #backstage 19:39 -!- sonatagreen is now known as Proserpina 19:40 < Proserpina> That's because you're thinking of a strawman version of the concept of tradition. 19:40 < Proserpina> Inflexible, narrowminded, incapable of growth. 19:41 < Proserpina> I'm talking about a /healthy/ tradition, a /living/ tradition. Strong like a tree, not doomed to slowly erode like stone. 19:42 < Proserpina> A willingness to respect tradition -- and to prune and grow it, cautiously, as needed -- is the basic prerequisite for being able to build things that last. 19:42 * Adelene quietly notes that in RL, trees die of old age same as humans do. On comparable timescales, even, for some species. 19:42 < Proserpina> Do you care about the world you live in? Do you think your culture and your values are worth having, worth fighting to protect? 19:43 < Proserpina> Then protect them from the ravages of time. 19:43 < Faceless> one thing is saying that you want something as a tree, translating the concept to something healthy is a different story 19:44 < Proserpina> If you say that everyone should ignore the lessons of history and constantly reinvent the world anew, then how can you complain when the next generation ignores you and throws out everything you've worked for? 19:44 < Faceless> Proserpina, of course I do care about the world I am in, don't imply the contrary because I disagree with you 19:45 < Proserpina> If we cannot stand on the shoulders of giants, then we are nothing more than fungi, shapeless and structureless, incapable of building anything truly grand. 19:45 <@Adelene> To the best of my knowlege - and, granted, I'm not a domain expert - we don't actually know /how/ to build a society or system of traditions that's healthy for everyone in it yet. So, yes, we do need to be willing to change even fundamental things in pursuit of that. 19:46 < Faceless> Proserpina stop the false dichotomy 19:46 < Proserpina> Muggles have figured out how to make enormous achievements that require millions of people and years of effort; isn't it obvious that proportionately greater achievements can be attained by projects lasting centuries? 19:47 < Proserpina> The dichotomy may or may not be false, but it is not mine. 19:47 < Proserpina> Magical culture today is deeply divided: the traditionalists, and the muggle-lovers. 19:48 < Proserpina> Muggleborns see our architecture and assume we must be backwards inbreds with nothing worthwhile to offer. 19:49 < Proserpina> They do not bother to listen to what we have to say; they simply assume that all things Muggle are automatically better. 19:49 < Faceless> Sonata 19:49 <@Sonata> sorry 19:49 <@Sonata> do i need to chill 19:50 < Proserpina> They think that everyone must believe that the course of history is either progress or decay; when we reject the idea that every change is an improvement, they assume we believe that every change is a mistake. 19:50 < Faceless> it isn't your fault, but even I underestimated how negative my reaction would be to this sorts of arguments 19:50 < Teceler> Prosperina you're strawmanning your opponents 19:50 <@Sonata> ah 19:50 < Faceless> I am going to log off and try to cheer myself up 19:50 <@Sonata> sorry 19:50 < Teceler> [hug for Faceless] 19:50 <@Adelene> *hugs Faceless* 19:50 < Faceless> no harm done, just need to cool off 19:50 -!- Proserpina has left #backstage 19:50 * Faceless hugs back everyone 19:51 < Faceless> maybe Proserpina should have a chat with Fenris someday that ought to be fun. 19:51 <@Sonata> maybe! 19:51 < Faceless> anyway, see you later or tomorrow 19:51 < Faceless> o/ 19:51 <@Sonata> o/ 19:51 -!- Faceless has quit 20:10 * Adelene has first officially autistic character <3 20:12 <@Sonata> ooooh 20:13 <@Adelene> :D 20:40 <@Adelene> Dusk <3 20:46 < Andygal> <3 20:48 <@Adelene> ^^ 21:34 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 21:34 < Faceless> hi 21:34 < Teceler> wb 21:35 < Faceless> what did I miss? 21:38 <@Sonata> I will pm 21:38 <@Sonata> sent 21:38 < Faceless> thanks 21:38 <@Sonata> And welcome back. 21:38 < Faceless> dusk is the name of the character? 21:51 <@Adelene> mmhmm 21:51 <@Adelene> Elves have nature-themed nouns for names. 21:53 < Faceless> ah, I didn't reach that part, the last post I read Aaron was pretending to be confused about attacking the elves 21:53 < Faceless> which I felt should be a bit... much? 21:55 <@Adelene> I mean, there was kind of an element of genuine confusion there. 22:48 < Faceless> ah, forgot to answer here 22:48 * Sonata pokes at glowfic repo disconsolately 22:48 < Faceless> Adelene, I assumed he was just lying, oh well 22:49 < Faceless> glowfic repo? 22:49 <@Sonata> the codebase for the new glowfic platform 22:49 < Faceless> what is so bad about it? 22:49 <@Sonata> I can't figure out how to run it locally 22:50 <@Sonata> and I'm unfamiliar with the language/style/paradigm/thingy it's using 22:50 <@Sonata> so getting to the point where I can productively contribute looks like a lot of work 22:50 <@Sonata> not really a problem with /it/ as such 22:53 <@Adelene> Faceless: 22:53 <@Adelene> (6:22:30 PM) ***Adelene pokes thread. 22:53 <@Adelene> (6:23:03 PM) Adelene: I think the problem I'm having here is that is should have been obvious from Swiftness' tone that he thinks Rain is being ridiculous. 22:53 <@Adelene> (6:24:33 PM) Adelene: but as usual griping about my brain problems solves them. 22:53 <@Adelene> (6:24:37 PM) Kappa: <333 22:53 <@Adelene> (6:25:24 PM) Kappa: I/Elarron did pick up on some of that, but it's like - in the context he's coming from (and playing up, to a certain extent), the thing that Rain is being ridiculous about is still really confusing to hear about 22:53 <@Adelene> (6:25:54 PM) Kappa: (And Elarron-who-knows-more-than-zero-things-about-local-magic understands where Rain is coming from. xD) 22:53 <@Adelene> (6:25:59 PM) Adelene: hee 22:53 <@Adelene> (6:26:06 PM) Adelene: yes. 22:53 <@Adelene> (6:26:21 PM) Kappa: But Elarron-who-knows-zero-things-about-local-magic is _so confuse_. XD 22:54 <@Adelene> (6:26:49 PM) Adelene: *snicker* 22:56 <@Sonata> hee 22:58 < Faceless> xD 23:05 -!- Adelene is now known as Sleepdelene 23:24 -!- Unbitwise has joined #backstage 23:41 <@Sonata> hello 23:41 < Unbitwise> hello! don't mind me, just checking for Evenstars 23:41 <@Sonata> the sky is cloudy this evening 23:43 < Faceless> sonata that was supposed to be ominious? 23:43 <@Sonata> no 23:43 <@Sonata> just, there are no Evenstars 23:48 -!- Sonata has quit 23:54 -!- Kel-tab has joined #backstage 23:55 < Faceless> kel-tab! 23:55 < Teceler> Kel! 23:55 < Kel-tab> Hi 23:55 < Teceler> [hug] 23:55 < Kel-tab> Hug 23:56 < Kel-tab> Sorry i haven't been on 23:56 < Faceless> hugs 23:56 -!- Kel-tab has quit 23:56 < Teceler> ... 23:56 -!- Kel-tab has joined #backstage 23:56 < Teceler> ...connection isssues? 23:56 < Teceler> (and/or device issues) 23:57 < Kel-tab> Device 23:57 < Faceless> are you away with family? 23:57 < Kel-tab> Ish? 23:58 < Teceler> have family visiting? (guessing at the 'ish') 23:59 < Kel-tab> I was away for homework and then avoidantness and now my grandma's visiting for thanksgiving 23:59 < Teceler> [hug] --- Day changed Sat Nov 28 2015 00:00 < Kel-tab> (hug) 00:00 < Kel-tab> sorry 00:01 < Kel-tab> ... what's been happening on the forum? 00:03 < Teceler> um... ...can someone who is less behind answer that maybe? 00:07 < Faceless> I am not sure? that hadn't been much activity? 00:08 < Faceless> some otc products are sold, some new people showed up 00:08 < Faceless> like the sentient bat 00:09 < Teceler> ah 00:10 < Teceler> I might be inaccurately estimating how much talking-about-plots was forum-related 00:10 < Kel-tab> Another one? 00:10 < Kel-tab> Another bat ? 00:13 < Teceler> this one is actually a bat 00:15 < Kel-tab> Ah okay not like sigmas 00:20 -!- Unbitwise has quit 00:20 < Faceless> sigmas? 00:23 < Kel-tab> Joy to the world? 00:23 < Faceless> dont recall 00:25 < Kel-tab> It might have been ret conned out in which case nvm 00:29 < Faceless> ok, sorry 00:29 < Kel-tab> No worries 00:34 < Kel-tab> Good night, i need to sleep 00:36 < Faceless> sleep well 00:36 < Teceler> that yes 00:36 < Teceler> sleep well 00:36 < Teceler> sleep well, Kel 00:36 < Kel-tab> Thanks 00:36 < Kel-tab> You too! 00:36 < Kel-tab> Night 00:37 -!- Kel-tab has quit 00:37 < Teceler> thanks 00:41 < Faceless> have too sleep too 00:41 < Faceless> good night o/ 00:42 -!- Faceless has quit 00:42 < Teceler> sleep well 01:03 -!- MTC has joined #backstage
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Post by Mother Starlight on Nov 29, 2015 15:17:36 GMT
07:49 -!- Andygal has quit 10:49 -!- Sleepdelene is now known as Adelene 13:02 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 13:03 -!- Adelene has quit 13:03 < Faceless> hi 13:04 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 13:11 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 13:11 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 13:12 -!- Jarnvidr has quit 13:12 <@Sonata> I got my first heels~ 13:12 < Andygal> Hi. 13:12 <@Sonata> hi 13:13 < Faceless> hi 13:13 < Faceless> Sonata, are you going to use them to do a heel face turn? 13:13 < Teceler> pft 13:13 <@Sonata> Why, you looking for a new face? 13:13 < Andygal> pft 13:25 < Faceless> that is hurtful Sonata, so hurtful, I am the hurtest 13:26 <@Sonata> oh noes 13:34 -!- Faceless has quit 13:35 -!- Adelene has joined #backstage 13:36 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Adelene] by ChanServ 14:14 -!- Jarnvidr has joined #backstage 14:52 -!- Adelene1 has joined #backstage 14:53 -!- Adelene has quit 16:08 -!- MTC has quit 16:12 -!- Adelene1 has quit 16:12 -!- Adelene has joined #backstage 16:12 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Adelene] by ChanServ 16:28 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 16:29 < Faceless> o/ 16:31 < Andygal> Hi. 16:32 <@Sonata> hi 16:32 < Teceler> hello 17:07 -!- Faceless has quit 17:50 <@Sonata> Are we doing Movie Night? 17:50 <@Adelene> ...right, time is a thing. 17:50 < Andygal> Oh right. 17:51 <@Adelene> Tonight's movies are short, though, we don't actually need to start for another half hour. 17:51 <@Adelene> but I should, like, announce that. :P 20:15 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 20:24 < Faceless> hello? 20:24 < Teceler> hello 20:25 <@Sonata> hi 20:25 < Faceless> (had some internet hiccups early in hte afternoon, not sure how it translated into the chat) 20:25 < Faceless> how are things? --- Day changed Sun Nov 29 2015 00:02 -!- Sonata has quit 00:59 -!- Faceless has quit 01:03 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 03:48 -!- Andygal has quit
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Post by Mother Starlight on Dec 1, 2015 15:37:07 GMT
09:03 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 09:03 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 10:53 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 10:54 < Faceless> o/ 11:28 -!- Sonata has quit 12:27 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 12:27 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 13:06 -!- Faceless has quit 13:33 -!- Xom has quit 13:59 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 14:51 < Faceless> o/ 15:34 <@Sonata> hi 15:56 -!- MTC has quit 16:16 < Faceless> What exactly was the idea to glowfic Home? 16:22 <@Sonata> ummmmm 16:23 <@Sonata> there seemed to be not enough reaction/consequences to HOLY FRIG ALIEN INVASION FIRST CONTACT 16:25 <@Sonata> (btw am soon to offline for a bit) 16:25 <@Sonata> just seemed like the kind of thing that could be made more interesting with smarter/deeper characters 16:26 < Faceless> understood 16:26 <@Sonata> I like the idea of kobold moov 16:26 < Faceless> What kind of template Tip would be replaced as? 16:26 <@Sonata> and maybe a joker spiky-plant-guy 16:27 <@Sonata> Bell is the obvious choice because competent female protagonist, but... I think it would be fun to put an Ari 16:28 < Faceless> huh, how about a Miles!Tip? 16:28 <@Sonata> ...possible, but I feel like that might make the plot too short 16:28 < Faceless> Ooo, is obviously a purple 16:29 < Faceless> he is the purple one *waves vaguely* 16:29 <@Adelene> I mean, if we're going with kobold boov then oh is obviously Lurker. 16:29 <@Sonata> like, complex highly-fraught diplomatic disaster? Throwing a Miles at it is basically just pressing the win button. 16:30 < Faceless> Throwing Miles at thing isn't a win button for most situations? 16:30 <@Sonata> (disaster is not quite the right word, can't remember the right one. snafu? clusterfuck?) 16:30 <@Sonata> (big tangled mess) 16:31 <@Adelene> Here's a question, who's Captain Smek? 16:31 <@Sonata> hmmmm. 16:34 < Faceless> I can't think of any good ideas. No one is quite as... comical as him 16:36 < Faceless> from tvtropes about the book Bizarre Alien Sexes: the Boov aliens have 7 sexes that translate in English to: girl, boy, boygirl, girlboy, boyboy, boyboygirl, and boyboyboyboy. 16:37 <@Sonata> lolwut 16:40 <@Sonata> I suppose that's more progressive than most pop culture, at least 16:40 < Faceless> I don't want Ari to interact with this, I don't want at all. 16:53 < Faceless> going to leave for a bit o/ 16:53 -!- Faceless has quit 20:31 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 22:01 -!- rockeye has joined #backstage 22:05 < rockeye> :( 22:06 <@Sonata> ? 22:07 < Faceless> /are/ you alright? 22:07 < rockeye> Oh, that's just the sound of my procrastination becoming unsustainable. I really should stop complaining about it, I bet it's annoying. 22:08 < Faceless> it is concerning, I am a concern-prone person 22:09 < rockeye> I continue to remind myself that failing a class is not the same thing as failing at life 22:09 < rockeye> especially since it's not even in my major 22:09 < rockeye> it doesn't seem to help, I am a sad person sometimes and I feel bad about even telling others about this 22:09 < rockeye> since it's my own fault 22:09 <@Sonata> I have been there 22:10 <@Sonata> In my case I am pretty sure it is/was clinical depression, but I didn't figure that out until later, in retrospect. 22:11 < rockeye> The thing is I'm fine while I can continue to ignore reality 22:11 <@Sonata> I'd suggest you look into counseling, if you are in a position to safely interact with the medical system 22:11 <@Sonata> eeeyup 22:11 < rockeye> and then I cant 22:12 < rockeye> I tried that counseling thing last semester 22:12 < rockeye> unsure if it helped 22:12 <@Sonata> hmmm 22:12 <@Sonata> Is it possible there's something specific that's wrong with reality, that you're semiconsciously trying not to put your attention on? 22:13 < rockeye> you might be familiar with the genre of thought 'I have a loving white upper middle class family and yet I'm miserable and can't find a job with all these advantages I must be the worst person' ? 22:15 < rockeye> because I'm pretty sure the reality is just 'I really am that lazy' 22:15 <@Sonata> alternate hypotheses: 'the economy really is that shitty' 22:15 <@Sonata> 'depression is a bitch' 22:15 <@Sonata> 'life is complicated' 22:15 < rockeye> gaaaaaaaah 22:16 <@Sonata> :( 22:16 < rockeye> I mean thanks, and I still glowfic sometimes, and so on 22:18 < rockeye> telling myself how my major really is just that damn difficult (food process engineering, my internship has not gone well) helps a bit but makes me wish I had gone for business administration or something suitably generic 22:18 < rockeye> and then I start thinking about tuition down the drain 22:18 * rockeye shuts up 22:19 <@Sonata> ...there's sort of a cultural expectation, especially for men, of being Strong and Self-Sufficient, and Powering Through Adversity, and the idea of privilege->responsibility tends to enhance that further. But in reality, humans are social creatures, and our natural state is interdependency. It's something that culture doesn't really teach you, but it's a good thing to have friends you can lean on for support. 22:20 < rockeye> I've noticed that 22:20 < rockeye> I don't really have many good friends from college, they're all online somehow 22:20 < rockeye> and one old high school teacher for some reason 22:21 <@Sonata> I also mostly have online friends 22:22 < rockeye> does this support whisper 22:23 < rockeye> help 22:23 < rockeye> /help 22:30 -!- rockeye has left #backstage 23:01 -!- Sonata has quit 23:17 * Adelene is so pleased with how this portalbold thread is going. Like, there is some excellent behind-the-scenes and upcoming stuff. ^^ 23:22 < Faceless> ? 23:24 <@Adelene> Mostly to the tune of 'Dusk <3<3<3'. 23:25 <@Adelene> (spoilery ^^) 23:26 < Faceless> I am going to sleep o/ 23:26 <@Adelene> sleep well o/ 23:27 -!- Faceless has quit --- Day changed Mon Nov 30 2015 00:47 -!- Xom has joined #backstage 01:00 -!- MTC has joined #backstage
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Post by Mother Starlight on Dec 1, 2015 15:37:10 GMT
09:20 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 09:24 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 10:08 -!- rockeye has joined #backstage 10:08 < rockeye> anyone here this early? 10:08 < Andygal> Kinda. 10:12 -!- Faceless has quit 10:17 < rockeye> brains are not fun sometimes 10:18 < Andygal> true. 10:19 < Andygal> know what else is not fun? Waking up early and not being able to get back to sleep. 10:25 < rockeye> -_- 11:15 < rockeye> yay, brains 11:31 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 11:31 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 11:35 < rockeye> hi sonata 11:35 < Andygal> Hi. 11:35 <@Sonata> hi 11:36 <@Sonata> How's it going? 11:36 < rockeye> same 12:40 < rockeye> anxiety party! yay. 12:41 < Teceler> is there anything we can do to help? 12:41 < Teceler> I'd offer hugs but as I recall you don't like those. 12:42 < rockeye> Just knowing that people are sympathying helps 12:42 < rockeye> and it'll be over in a week or two anyway 12:42 < rockeye> either way 12:42 < Teceler> well, have lots of sympathy then 12:42 < Teceler> anxiety is miserable and throughly interferes with getting anything done 12:44 < rockeye> which is a vicious cycle when things needing doing are what's causing the anxiety 12:44 < Teceler> yeah 12:46 < Andygal> Yeah. 13:26 -!- Sonata has quit 14:10 -!- Mori has joined #backstage 14:10 < rockeye> hi 14:10 < Mori> Hey! :) 14:11 < rockeye> I don't think I've met you before 14:12 < Andygal> Hi! 14:12 < Andygal> (ohgod Yvette and teenage!Miles) 14:13 < Mori> rockeye: Probably not! I am new-ish (and have been gone for a while due to School). I write Sapphire and wordswordswords. Hi! 14:14 < rockeye> hi 14:14 < Teceler> hello 14:14 < rockeye> man, School 14:14 < rockeye> I should be doing that right now 14:14 < Mori> yeah I feel you 14:14 < Andygal> and I should be working properly 14:16 < Mori> I am actually in biology class at this very moment, but biology is not my thing, so slacking off 14:16 < rockeye> project due thursday, research paper due friday, final next monday, final next wednesday, project due next friday 14:17 < Teceler> ouch 14:17 < rockeye> #horray 14:17 < Mori> oh, man, finals week is the worst 14:17 < Andygal> Yeah. Ow. 14:42 -!- rockeye has quit 14:55 -!- Mori has quit 15:00 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 15:00 < Faceless> o/ 16:06 -!- MTC has quit 16:33 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 16:34 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 16:42 < Faceless> hi Sonata 16:42 <@Sonata> hi 16:44 < Faceless> how are you? ^^ 16:45 <@Sonata> okay 16:45 <@Sonata> you? 16:46 < Andygal> Hey. 16:47 <@Sonata> hi 16:49 < Faceless> I am good 16:49 < Faceless> listening home soundtrack ^^ 16:51 <@Adelene> ^^ 16:58 < Faceless> I want to sing Towards The Sun to sad characters >_> 17:00 < Faceless> (I am not proud of this) 17:43 -!- Faceless has quit 18:33 -!- echo has joined #backstage 18:34 < echo> hi guys 18:34 <@Sonata> hi 18:34 < Teceler> hello echo 18:34 < echo> i'm the bat if anyone wondering 18:34 <@Sonata> aha 18:37 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 18:37 < Faceless> hi 18:39 <@Sonata> hi 18:39 < echo> finals are annoying guys 18:41 -!- rockeye has joined #backstage 18:45 < rockeye> group"work" 18:45 < Faceless> echo, yes they are 18:45 < Faceless> hi rockeye 18:46 < rockeye> hi 18:46 < echo> i know what that's l 18:46 < echo> like 18:46 < rockeye> yeah it's pretty common actually 18:47 < rockeye> when your group does not want to work 18:47 < echo> nod, nod 18:47 < rockeye> bye 18:47 -!- rockeye has quit 18:48 < Faceless> :/ 18:52 < Faceless> Echo you play Sapphire? 19:03 < echo> no 19:03 < echo> I'm the bat] 19:05 < echo> I think I'm getting sickl though 19:05 < echo> perfect timing rite 19:06 < Teceler> [hug if wanted] 19:06 < echo> [hug[ 19:06 < echo> internet hug is not a valid vector for pathogens 19:06 < echo> it would be scary if it was... 19:06 < Teceler> it better not be, yeah 19:07 < echo> im gone gonna run a keurig and get back to studying 19:07 -!- echo has quit 19:59 < Faceless> what is keurig? 20:03 <@Adelene> single-serving coffee maker. 20:05 < Faceless> ah, I think I know which one 20:49 -!- Mori has joined #backstage 21:00 < Teceler> hello again Mori 21:00 < Mori> hi again :) 21:01 < Faceless> hi 21:04 * Adelene continues Elarron thread, wriggles excitedly, wonders about getting a MWF instance of Dusk at some point. :3 21:04 <@Sonata> oh gosh 21:05 <@Sonata> carp elves on the forum 21:06 <@Adelene> Dusk would be out of Carp /so fast/ though. SO fast. Like, probably before she even had a forum account, says Occam. 21:07 <@Sonata> Will Dusk be joining Promise and Aianon in the Inexplicably Non-Terrible Instance Club? 21:07 <@Adelene> A thing is - how I said Swiftness would get along with Lurker if he wasn't a crazy elf and she wasn't a filthy kobold? Dusk and Lurker would just get along, full stop, no caveats. ^^ 21:08 <@Adelene> Something like that. Though she's absolutely not inexplicable. ^^ 21:08 <@Sonata> um. I can see Dusk liking Lurker. I am having a harder time with the reverse. 21:08 < Faceless> Now I want them to meet alts of himself that are best buds 21:09 <@Adelene> Spoilers, Sonata. Large ones. ^^ 21:09 < Xom> did somebody order a LARGE HAM? ... oh, large spoiler. sorry. 21:10 <@Adelene> pft 21:10 <@Sonata> I mean. I can see forum!Lurker going for it, because she did the Not All Elves thing with the arcany expert whose name escapes me. 21:10 <@Sonata> but a generic Lurker? 21:10 < Teceler> ...now I am picturing a literal large ham appearing in the middle of the conversation 21:10 <@Sonata> not so much. 21:10 < Teceler> because Xom 21:10 <@Adelene> spoooilers. :D 21:10 < Xom> yes that is a thing i would do 21:10 < Xom> at least the forum-type me 21:11 < Xom> who tends to be dramatically appropriate more often than he should 21:11 < Xom> as though he were rigging his own RNG 21:11 <@Adelene> (Also the Not All Elves thing didn't help /that/ much. Forum Lurker would still react quite badly indeed to being put in a room with a Carp elf.) 21:11 < Xom> how would Lurker react to being put in a room with a Zot elf 21:12 < Xom> or, for that matter, a Zot kobold 21:12 <@Adelene> Depends on if they're recognizable as such. 21:12 <@Sonata> given who's asking, this might depend on the nature of the putting 21:12 <@Adelene> Also that, ya. 21:12 < Andygal> Ha. 21:12 < Xom> ... or an elf/kobold from Zot being put in a room with Lurker, how about that 21:13 < Xom> to get rid of the influence of suddenly being in Zot 21:13 <@Adelene> Again, depends. 21:13 <@Sonata> I would actually like to see an interaction (either sandbox or make-characters-talk) with Lurker interacting with various alternate interpretations of kobold. 21:13 < Xom> i think i might be up to doing that 21:14 <@Adelene> The kobold probably just gets an 'oh, geez, are you okay, where do you want to be, let me make a portal there'. 21:14 <@Adelene> From MWF!Lurker. 21:14 * Sonata initially wrote "flavors" but thought that would be in bad, uh, taste 21:14 < Xom> also i just realized "Zot elf" doesn't refer to one species 21:14 <@Adelene> ...yes. *snicker* 21:15 < Xom> deep elf vs high elf 21:16 < Xom> deep elves being more physically frail but better at magic than high elves 21:16 <@Sonata> deep elves are basically drow, right? 21:17 < Xom> i... think? so but i'm not sure if i'm remembering drow right 21:18 < Xom> also: just HOW badly would Lurker react to being put right into the middle of Elf:3 ( http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Elven_Halls ) 21:18 <@Sonata> black/darkgray skin, white hair, fond of scimitars, worship a spider goddess 21:19 < Xom> deep elves seem to at least have pink skin judging by their tiles 21:19 < Xom> but bright/possibly glowing red eyes 21:19 < Xom> and definitely white hair 21:19 < Xom> there is no spider goddess as far as I know 21:19 <@Adelene> 'glowing red eyes' doesn't say Carp elf to me, but does say scary. 21:21 < Xom> the fact that the elves of the Elven Halls are hostile to everybody (like most residents of the dungeon) wouldn't help matters, i'd imagine 21:21 <@Adelene> no. 21:21 < Xom> a player elf would be another matter 21:22 <@Adelene> Generally speaking Lurker's reaction to being teleported someplace against her will is going to be pretty negative, even if she can get home under her own power trivially. 21:23 < Xom> that sentence brought to mind a mental image of a follower of Lugonu being repeatedly banished and repeatedly using Lugonu's 'unbanish me' invocation 21:23 < Teceler> ...pft 21:23 < Xom> and getting progressively more irritated every time 21:24 * Teceler is trying to remember whether's Cassiel's world has kobolds. 21:25 <@Adelene> (Portalbold at least can for example cast something to allow her to sleep mostly safely in the face of hostile teleportation - just enspell herself to teleport back to her bed every second until she wants to not do that any more - but she's still going to be, uh, not pleased.) 21:26 * Teceler consults wiki 21:26 < Xom> i just thought of a funny scenario - Zot kobold is trying to loot the Elven Halls, a translocation miscast happens that sends him/her to... somewhere where Lurker is, and the first words Lurker hears from this kobold are muttering about elves 21:26 < Xom> miscast and/or intentional experimental spell, i guess 21:27 < Xom> this was brought to mind because elves in the Elven Halls like to banish you a lot 21:28 <@Adelene> Assuming portalbold, her reaction to that is similar to her reaction to Elarron's snake - grab the kobold, teleport them to her safe spot, go 'are we okay, did we lose them, holy /shit/ are you all right'. 21:28 < Xom> and the Zot kobold's reaction to this reaction would be "wait this isn't the abyss i thought i had been banished again" 21:29 <@Adelene> *chuckle* 21:29 < Teceler> pft 21:30 < Teceler> (FfH does not appear to have kobolds unless they are defined as falling under 'orc' for its purposes) 21:31 <@Adelene> Also, Lurker's second reaction to this is 'holy crap that's a heck of a lot of magic stuff you've got on you. um.' 21:31 -!- Andygal has quit 21:31 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 21:32 < Xom> ha - especially since the kobold would probably have just gone through the Hall of Blades 21:32 < Xom> meaning huge pile of formerly-dancing weapons 21:33 <@Adelene> heh. 21:33 <@Adelene> Also the concept of magic that wears off will be very o.O 21:34 < Xom> The dancing-ness of the weapons doesn't so much "wear off" as "you kill it" 21:35 < Xom> and then you pick up the dead enchanted sword and wield it as though it had never been alive 21:35 < Xom> which is actually a little creepy 21:36 < Xom> but not quite as creepy as entering a dungeon floor to find a few dozen animated weapons all attacking you 21:37 < Xom> I guess the other temporary effects like scrolls and such would be a little weird though 21:38 < Xom> so yeah - kobold party 21:38 < Xom> wait, wasn't Nemelex's representative at the crowning a kobold? 21:40 <@Sonata> Lurker looking at a potion: ...why would you enspell a liquid? 21:42 < Xom> "enspell? I thought potions just came like that?" 21:45 < Xom> oh wow, apparently latest crawl version adds altars that let you worship a random god with a piety bonus 21:45 <@Sonata> Xom's new favorite god? 21:47 < Xom> as in you pray at the altar and commit to worshiping whoever's altar it is before you know who owns it 21:47 < Xom> and this gives you +20 piety 21:47 * Adelene was distracted, returns. 21:48 < Xom> or, I guess if you end up with Gozag, waives the gold fee 21:48 <@Sonata> I feel like Xom is the one who pushed for that feature in the council of the gods 21:48 < Xom> heh 21:48 < Teceler> pft 21:48 <@Sonata> (Miles is being shrennaki again) 21:49 <@Adelene> I meant temporary effects like - well, I don't know what Zot has in particular, by my roguelike of choice has resistances that you get from eating enemy corpses, which seems like it'd register as magical and which wear off, so. 21:49 <@Sonata> oh, what do you play? 21:49 <@Adelene> Powder. 21:49 < Xom> Not a whole lot of things in Zot are actually temporary 21:50 <@Sonata> Most potions are, I think? 21:50 <@Adelene> http://www.zincland.com/powder/?pagename=about 21:50 <@Adelene> one-off effects would be less o.O but still pretty o.O 21:50 < Xom> sure, potions and scrolls, and status effects 21:50 < Xom> the only things you get from eating corpses besides nutrition are random mutations from mutagenic corpses 21:51 < Xom> which are only temporary in that you can remove them with a potion of cure mutation 21:51 < Xom> (or with more random mutations) 21:51 <@Adelene> mmhmm 21:53 < Xom> oh, i guess a major magic thing in Zot that wears off is glow 21:54 < Xom> when you miscast spells, or even correctly cast certain spells like Haste, you get mutagenic glow 21:54 <@Adelene> One-off effects in Carp basically mean either that the caster didn't trust you, or didn't trust that the thing wouldn't fall into the wrong hands, or was going for planned obsolescence. And the last one isn't something Lurker's run into at all. 21:54 < Xom> it doesn't do much except draw attention unless you have a whole lot of it, then you start getting random mutations 21:55 < Xom> also I guess Haste and Regen themselves kind of qualify as magic that wears off 21:55 <@Adelene> *nodnod* 21:56 <@Sonata> haste, lignification, brilliance, might 21:56 < Xom> hahaha oh man i forgot about lignification 21:56 <@Adelene> ? 21:57 < Xom> potion of temporarily become a tree 21:57 < Teceler> ... 21:57 <@Adelene> pfffft 21:57 < Teceler> that is certainly a thing 21:57 < Xom> you're a lot more durable but you can't move 21:57 < Xom> because you are a tree 21:57 < Teceler> ...I suppose I can sort of see contexts that would be useful in? 21:57 < Xom> it's almost as good as the scroll of random uselessness 21:58 < Teceler> but mostly it seems like a negative effect 21:58 < Xom> which prints a random message to your log except sometimes it actually casts summon butterflies, which is a useful spell 21:58 < Teceler> pffft 21:59 < Xom> "hey Lurker, do you have somewhere I could go to test these unidentified scrolls?" 22:00 <@Adelene> >.> 22:00 < Andygal> Lichform. 22:00 <@Adelene> (She probably does, actually. Caves that aren't useful for anything aren't too rare.) 22:01 -!- Faceless has quit 22:04 < Xom> http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Tree_form 22:04 < Xom> 48% GDR is nothing to sneeze at 22:05 < Xom> plus free poison resistance and negative energy/torment immunity 22:06 < Xom> also in an emergency a Potion of Lignification can substitute for food 22:07 < Andygal> so apparently trees can wear helmets. 22:07 < Andygal> What. 22:07 < Teceler> pfffffffffffffft 22:08 < Xom> well of course 22:08 < Xom> the helmet helps protect your precious branches 22:13 < Xom> i tried to image search 'tree with hat' but all i found were hats shaped like trees 22:14 <@Adelene> http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/583078/583078,1272137036,6/stock-vector-vector-illustration-of-a-business-man-wearing-a-green-suit-tie-and-hat-with-a-tree-for-his-face-51663562.jpg 22:15 < Andygal> Adelene has superior Google-Fu apparently. 22:15 <@Adelene> http://www.underthechristmastree.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/green-christmas-tree-wearing-hat.png 22:15 <@Adelene> http://previews.123rf.com/images/kenbenner/kenbenner1209/kenbenner120900057/15259449-Black-and-white-illustration-of-a-pine-tree-wearing-a-Santa-hat-Stock-Vector.jpg 22:15 <@Adelene> the magic word is 'tree wearing hat'. 22:15 < Xom> i like that first one 22:16 <@Adelene> ^^ 22:16 < Xom> i should go play some crawl 0.17 22:16 < Xom> what's a good species 22:19 <@Sonata> kobold 22:19 <@Sonata> or, for a Xomite, maybe demonspawn 22:20 <@Sonata> since you get random mutations as you level 22:21 < Xom> ooh think i'll be demonspawn 22:23 < Xom> http://crawl.akrasiac.org:8080/#watch-Thatwasademo if you want to watch i guess 22:24 < Andygal> Kinda doing three things at once, already. :P 22:38 < Xom> "Found Gozag's Platinum Reserve." 22:38 < Xom> well that's early 22:38 < Xom> i might just have to take Gozag up on his offer 22:39 < Xom> (it's a vault with an altar of Gozag and a shop with really good but expensive pre-identified randarts) 22:40 < Andygal> sweet 22:40 < Xom> but ehhhhhhh i'm a spellcaster and there's two weapons and a ring mail here 22:40 < Xom> the final item is a right of flight, MR, and Stealth, but 22:41 < Xom> dunno if i really want a ring mail of +9 strength and rPois 22:41 < Xom> or a hand axe, even though it's a really good axe 22:42 < Xom> bah i'm going for it 22:42 < Xom> i'm a venom mage anyway so it's not like my endgame is provided for by that 22:43 < Xom> who needs food anyway 22:50 -!- Teceler has quit 22:58 -!- Teceler has joined #backstage 22:59 * Teceler mutters at her computer 22:59 * Xom mutters at Teceler's computer 23:00 * Teceler eyes Xom 23:00 * Teceler checks over her computer for interference 23:00 < Xom> hey i was only trying to help with the muttering 23:04 -!- rockeye has joined #backstage 23:04 < rockeye> having internet friends is very pleasant 23:04 < rockeye> thank you 23:04 < rockeye> that is all 23:04 < Teceler> hello 23:04 < Andygal> Hello! 23:08 -!- teceler2 has joined #backstage 23:08 * Xom continues muttering at Teceler's computer 23:08 < teceler2> ...I appear to have, in my attempt to convince Libreoffice to use more than a tiny fraction of the memory (and therefore not be so slow with big things) 23:09 -!- Teceler has quit 23:09 < teceler2> accidentally convinced it that it should try to use ALL THE MEMORY 23:09 -!- teceler2 is now known as Teceler 23:09 < Xom> good job 23:09 < Teceler> or it's memory leaking or something 23:11 < Teceler> either way it grabs most of the RAM when I do something specific and then I think my system monitor gives up the ghost somewhere in here because it's reporting libreoffice and xorg using more RAM between them than actually exists on this computer 23:11 < Teceler> but anyway the computer gradually freezes up until it doesn't respond at all 23:11 < Teceler> and it is sad 23:12 < Teceler> and kind of interferes with what I was /trying/ to do which was work out why this spreadsheet is so ridicolously slow and fix that 23:12 < rockeye> is it possible to undo the settings change you made 23:12 < Teceler> probably 23:13 < Teceler> if I can remember what all of them where 23:13 < Teceler> that does not, of course, fix the original problem 23:13 < Teceler> but it should stop the computer crashing 23:13 < Teceler> hopefully 23:13 < Teceler> if that was even the settings change, idk 23:13 < Andygal> Ugh. 23:15 < Xom> you're on linux, guessing by the use of xorg? 23:15 * Teceler crosses fingers, tries the thing again 23:15 < Xom> ram measurements on linux are *super weird*, just so you know 23:16 < Xom> because of things like shared memory pages 23:16 < Xom> and swap usage not being directly measurable 23:16 < Teceler> ...and thing is not fixed, joy, at least I maybe caught it this time 23:16 < Teceler> and ha, that would not surprise me 23:17 -!- rockeye has quit 23:18 < Xom> if gnome-system-monitor's "memory" column is summing to more than the amount of physical memory in the computer then that's an explainable but somewhat bad thing 23:18 * Teceler looks curious 23:18 < Xom> other process tools are different 23:18 < Teceler> (pretty sure it's more than RAM + swap too) 23:18 < Xom> if it's more than RAM + swap then gnome-system-monitor is just wrong 23:19 < Teceler> ...and yes that is gnome-system-monitor, having checked 23:19 < Xom> as far as I can tell the column just labeled "Memory" is measuring the process's private memory 23:21 < Xom> processes also need some shared memory for libraries they're using, but if two processes are using the same libraries then you still only need one copy of them (as long as they're dynamically linked, but they probably are) 23:21 < Teceler> what is 'virtual memory' measuring, if you have any idea? 23:21 < Teceler> (and yeah I think 'shared memory' is a potential column...) 23:21 < Xom> total memory and swap space that process has access to, period 23:22 * Teceler goes and pokes at 23:22 < Xom> er... total memory, swap, AND memory-mapped but unloaded files 23:22 < Xom> the sum of all the "virtual memory" entries will almost always be far more than the amount of physical memory and swap space on the system 23:23 < Teceler> I did notice that, yes XD 23:23 < Xom> especially if you're running chrome or some other thing that ends up making lots of processes of the same image 23:23 * Sonata found a fun thing: http://internetoracle.org/ 23:24 < Xom> oh man, the internet oracle 23:24 < Xom> i remember that 23:24 < Xom> in my experience, the "Memory" column should always add to *less* than the amount of memory in use 23:25 < Xom> since it doesn't account for shared memory anywhere 23:26 < Teceler> that approximates my experience, other than this weird thing 23:26 < Teceler> (I think system monitor may have been having issues related to the freezing and eating of memory) 23:26 < Xom> there's a command-line tool called "smem" that adds a fraction of each block of shared memory to the memory accounted for by every process so that adding them up makes sense 23:27 < Xom> but then killing a process doesn't free all the memory smem says it's using 23:28 < Xom> like i said, linux memory accounting is *weird* 23:28 < Teceler> yuuuup 23:29 < Xom> oh also some very naive tools (i think gnome-system-monitor *isn't* one of them) talk about memory used by the system cache as though it was used, not free 23:29 -!- rockeye has joined #backstage 23:29 < Xom> which is one of the first things anyone will tell you if you talk about memory issues in linux even if it isn't relevant 23:30 < Teceler> why 23:30 < Teceler> *why would they do that? 23:31 < Teceler> (the tools) 23:31 < Xom> because technically that memory is in use by something 23:31 < Xom> even though it can be deallocated at a moment's notice 23:31 < Teceler> I sense a 'but' :P 23:32 < Xom> that's the entire explanation 23:33 < rockeye> programs do not react well to having their memory removed 23:33 < rockeye> the safeguards are strong 23:33 < Xom> the system cache does react well to it though 23:34 < Xom> it's a thing the kernel does to avoid wasting the resource of physical memory 23:34 < Xom> because it's much faster to drop a cache page if you need more memory than to load a recently used file from disk if you need the file again 23:35 < Xom> memory used by the cache is for all purposes free except for 'is it known what's in this page' 23:38 < rockeye> so what was the issue again? 23:39 < Xom> well, it wasn't related to the system cache, it was that somehow libreoffice and xorg together were using more memory than existed in the system 23:40 < Xom> according to gnome-system-monitor for at least a moment 23:40 < rockeye> sounds like a problem in the monitor 23:40 < rockeye> I don't run linux though so I'm just gonna shut up now 23:40 < Teceler> I think so yes 23:41 < Xom> my best guess is just that the monitor got interrupted in the middle of asking how much memory one program was using and asking about the other 23:41 < Teceler> but then Xom was explaining the weird arcane ways linux accounts for memory 23:41 < Xom> or Teceler was reading the wrong column 23:41 < Xom> it's not so much weird arcane ways linux accounts for memory as weird arcane ways linux actually uses memory 23:41 < Teceler> no I'm pretty sure it was the right column the computer finished freezing with that up, I got a good look 23:42 < Teceler> pft 23:42 < Teceler> okay, point 23:42 < Xom> that make it seemingly impossible for any automated tool to give a good answer to the question 'how much memory is this process using' 23:43 < rockeye> does it count cache pages separately from current active memory at least? 23:43 < Xom> yeah 23:43 < Xom> and sensible tools like gnome-system-monitor or free tell you about the total available memory rather than the total unused memory on their graphs 23:44 < rockeye> I recall learning how to program in cache-aware ways if something is having miss issues but I do not much understand OS design really 23:44 < Xom> here's the secret: nobody really does 23:44 < Teceler> pft 23:44 < Teceler> ...um then what are the designers doing 23:45 < Xom> the best they can, of course 23:45 < Teceler> pft 23:47 * Teceler has managed to work around the issue and is now trying to remember if removing the '0' on the elses of these ifs will mess up her arithmetic 23:47 < rockeye> I'd need code snippets to judge 23:47 < Teceler> spreadsheet (libreoffice, specifically) 23:48 < Teceler> =D$82+E$5+E$7+IF(E$8,3,0)+IF(E$9,1,0) 23:48 < Andygal> speaking of OS design, anyone here using Windows 10? 23:49 < Xom> on one computer in the house 23:49 < Xom> it's not bad 23:49 < Xom> i'd say it's worth upgrading to from win 8.1 and possibly from 7 23:50 < Xom> but on my desktop i'm running linux mint 17 because i didn't want to shell out hundreds of dollars 23:50 < Teceler> as we just went over I am on a linux (gnome ubuntu, specifically), but this is techincally a dual-boot system even if I don't boot over to windows if I can possibly avoid it 23:50 < rockeye> that are the ifs supposed to be doing teceler? 23:50 < Teceler> but I thiiink the windows partition is 7 23:50 < rockeye> what* 23:51 < rockeye> Because looking at the syntax I think that removing the ,0 won't break it 23:52 < Teceler> rockeye: syntax is if([thing to be evaluated], [thing to use if the result is true], [thing to use if it's false]) 23:52 < rockeye> if 0 is the default value for false output 23:52 < Teceler> ...basically I'm trying to remember how this handles adding false to things because that seems to be the default value 23:52 <@Adelene> usually the defaults on those are TRUE and FALSE and FALSE evaluates to zero. 23:52 < Teceler> Adelene: that sounds about right 23:52 < rockeye> that would make sense, but it's open source so who knows 23:53 * Teceler prods firefox to finish starting so she can try applying google to this some more 23:53 < Xom> you could experiment? 23:54 < Teceler> if I can't figure it out by the time I come back to this I probably will 23:54 < Teceler> but this seems like it might be prone to errors that don't show up immediately 23:54 < rockeye> does just leaving the ,0 in hurt anything? 23:55 < Teceler> that is the other question yes 23:55 < Teceler> I am trying to clean up the document but I don't know if that would help or hurt 23:57 < rockeye> I think it's better with the ,0 23:57 < rockeye> not including it would bug me even if the 3rd parameter is optional 23:57 < rockeye> but that's me 23:58 * rockeye should probably be doing something else... 23:58 < Teceler> sorry for distracting you? 23:59 < Teceler> (the questions for me here are 'which is more elegant' 'which uses less processing speed' and importantly (based on the history of this document) 'which will confuse me less when I come back to this again years later') --- Day changed Tue Dec 01 2015 00:00 < rockeye> no don't be 00:00 < rockeye> I am self distracting 00:00 < rockeye> even when I really really ought to be doing something else 00:00 < Teceler> oh, that thing 00:00 * Teceler is familiar with that thing, sadly 00:00 < rockeye> "I do my best work in the 11th hour... If only because that's when I do all my work" 00:01 < Teceler> [sympathy] 00:01 < Andygal> Yeah. 00:04 < rockeye> youtube videos are very interesting and not at all related to working on the project due thursday. 00:09 < Teceler> why do deadlines exist 00:11 < rockeye> exactly 00:13 < rockeye> I should force myself to sleep 00:13 -!- rockeye has quit 00:34 < Teceler> ...okay I think I've found at least part of why this spreadsheet is trying to crash my computer 00:34 < Teceler> dear past!self: what were you thinking why did you set this up this way 00:37 <@Sonata> >_> 00:37 <@Sonata> computers are like that 00:38 -!- Sonata has quit 00:38 < Teceler> ...timing 00:49 * Xom roars with laughter 01:05 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 01:23 -!- MTC has quit 01:24 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 01:30 -!- Mori has quit
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Post by Mother Starlight on Dec 2, 2015 18:05:38 GMT
09:15 -!- Adelene has quit 10:15 -!- Adelene has joined #backstage 10:15 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Adelene] by ChanServ 10:23 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 10:23 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 10:35 -!- Adelene has quit 11:41 -!- rockeye has joined #backstage 11:42 < rockeye> I wonder how long I'm going to complain about anxiety more than daily for 12:16 -!- Adelene has joined #backstage 12:16 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Adelene] by ChanServ 12:23 < rockeye> hi 12:25 <@Adelene> o/ 12:26 < rockeye> what does o/ mean? 12:26 <@Sonata> it means hello 12:26 <@Sonata> it's a head and arm of a person waving 12:27 <@Sonata> o/ 12:27 <@Sonata> /| 12:27 <@Sonata> / \ 12:28 < rockeye> well o/ then 12:28 <@Sonata> \o 12:32 < rockeye> yay, procrastination 12:43 < Andygal> blaaaargh 13:41 < rockeye> procrastionation wooooo 13:41 < rockeye> (doom) 13:41 < Teceler> [sympathy] 13:41 < Teceler> ...would talking about the project be helpful? 13:54 < rockeye> probably not 13:55 < rockeye> it'll be over, either way, on Thursday 13:55 < Teceler> okay 13:55 < Teceler> I just find talking things out helps me occasionally, so I thought it was worth asking 13:56 < rockeye> and it helps just to complain about it sometimes 13:57 < rockeye> though yet I can't seem to actually make myself make progress on it... 13:57 < Teceler> that sounds miserable 13:58 < rockeye> yeah, well, it's school 13:58 < rockeye> I'm just really hoping the class gets curved. hard. 14:09 < rockeye> unless someone wants to read my 'research paper' that I am BSing through 14:09 < rockeye> and tell me if I made a horrible mistake 14:09 < rockeye> nevermind, it's too boring 14:25 * Teceler returns from getting ready for a thing 14:25 * Teceler ums 14:25 < Teceler> idk if I would be any help but if you wanted I would except I do actually need to head out imminently 14:26 < Teceler> if you still want when I get back and I'm not too exhausted I can though? 14:26 < rockeye> yeah it's not even closeish to done anyway 14:26 < rockeye> thx for offer I should probably not bother people with this thing though 14:26 < Teceler> like 14:26 < Teceler> I'd like to help? 14:27 < Teceler> ...I think that's my ride, talk later 15:15 -!- MTC has quit 15:23 * Adelene had call to pull out the 'I barely trust you not to publicly assault me' body language on an NT today for the first time in ages, had forgotten just how unsettling they find that. *chuckle* 15:29 <@Sonata> being wrong about whether one is in a peacetime type of situation tends to be disconcerting, yes 15:30 <@Adelene> I'm not sure that's quite it? The body language in question is explicitly not /threatening/ at all, nobody's ever seemed directly afraid of it. 15:32 < rockeye> what's NT 15:32 <@Adelene> It's more a combination of heightened awareness of the person in question (which I have some evidence NTs don't even perceive the way I do) with a distinct lack of mirroring. 15:32 <@Adelene> NT is short for neurotypical, as opposed to those of us with variously weird brains. (I'm autistic.) 15:33 <@Sonata> not threatening so much as feeling-threatened 15:34 <@Sonata> i dunno, i wasn't there 15:34 <@Adelene> *shrug* 15:34 <@Sonata> anyway, I'ma go have tea with my mom 15:34 <@Sonata> see y'all later 15:34 -!- Sonata has quit 15:34 <@Adelene> It's also very different body language than I have in situations where there's an external threat, but. *shrug* 15:34 < rockeye> I'm not quite NT but probably closer to it than a lot of folks, not sure how to compare really 15:35 <@Adelene> *nod* 15:36 <@Adelene> (You do seem at least NT-socialized, Rockeye, which doesn't rule out being neurodivergent but does put a bit of a limit on how neurodivergent you might be.) 15:40 < rockeye> I had to see a counselor in grade, middle, and high school to function nondisruptively with all the other kids, but I'm definitely still closeish to the typical end of things 15:41 <@Adelene> Heck of a lot of wiggle room in that 'ish', sometimes. *chuckle* 15:49 < rockeye> I'm more obvious about it in person I suspect 15:49 <@Adelene> *nod* Most of us are. 15:50 < rockeye> Mostly I have trouble keeping track of social rules like eye contact and not interrupting people. Or tone of voice. 15:50 < rockeye> anyway, I should go back to work 15:50 <@Adelene> *nodnod* 16:54 < rockeye> the creeping doomed feeling returns 16:54 < rockeye> gah 18:02 < rockeye> I think earlier someone offered to read my research paper and say words about it? 18:02 <@Adelene> Tec, yeah. She should be back any minute but might not be brainful for a while. 18:02 < Teceler> I'm back, yeah 18:03 < Teceler> not positive how much brain I have, depends on what you want me to do 18:03 < Teceler> or, like, look for, evaluate 18:03 < rockeye> Probably nevermind. I found someone else to go over my draft and point out the obvious stupid mistakes I made. 18:03 < Teceler> something like that 18:03 < Teceler> okay 18:03 < Teceler> good luck with the paper 18:04 < rockeye> unless you *want to but I don't see why you would :P 18:04 <@Adelene> I suspect you could just post it on Alicornutopia and get some replies, if you wanted to. (Probably as a link to a google doc, if you want the option of taking it down after.) 18:05 < rockeye> heh, no, bit TOO public that one is 18:06 < rockeye> im for dinner, afk 19:00 < rockeye> glowfic is gonna be really slow until after finals week isn't it 19:26 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 19:26 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 19:33 < rockeye> ho sonata 19:33 < rockeye> hi* 19:33 <@Sonata> hi 19:41 < rockeye> the ads above mibbit are a bit annoying 19:42 <@Sonata> Can I interest you in a dedicated IRC client? Ad-free, efficient in both CPU and memory, and feature-rich -- all for the low low price of zero dollars and zero cents! 19:43 < rockeye> hm where 19:44 <@Sonata> I use hexchat: https://hexchat.github.io/ 19:47 < rockeye> how to set up hexchat? 19:48 <@Sonata> Download, install, and run. As far as I know. 19:48 <@Sonata> What OS are you on? 19:48 < rockeye> no i mean the settings to connect to this channel; 19:49 <@Sonata> oh 19:49 < rockeye> i have it running 19:49 <@Sonata> server: irc.psigenix.net port: 6667 channel: #backstage 19:50 -!- stonetoe has joined #backstage 19:50 < stonetoe> hey it works im logged in to this twice 19:50 < stonetoe> ok 19:50 -!- rockeye has quit 19:51 -!- stonetoe is now known as rockeye 19:51 <@Sonata> Welcome! 19:52 < rockeye> hexchat is not client I am used to but it doesn't have stupid ads that sometimes decide to be something embarrasing so 19:54 * Adelene favors Pidgin, which is an all-in-one chat thing. 19:55 * rockeye doesn't use chat other than irc so this'll do 19:58 <@Adelene> 'k 20:00 < rockeye> messing with alert settings 20:00 < rockeye> please say something in ~10s 20:00 < Teceler> something 20:00 -!- stonetoe has joined #backstage 20:00 < stonetoe> tray... 20:00 < stonetoe> that should not have closed the client. hm. 20:01 < Teceler> hm 20:04 -!- nars has joined #backstage 20:05 < nars> I've logged on 3 times with hexchat i suspect it doesn't log me out when I closed the first ones 20:05 -!- nars has quit 20:05 < Teceler> oh, that's the irc server 20:05 -!- stonetoe has quit 20:05 < Teceler> ... 20:05 < rockeye> there we go 20:05 < Teceler> oh, yeah 20:05 < rockeye> for some reason it minimized to tray instead of outright closing 20:05 < Teceler> it's probably minimizing the windows 20:05 < rockeye> looking at preferences 20:06 < Teceler> but sometimes if you close an irc window weirdly (usually by killing the process or it crashing) your login hangs around for a while 20:06 < Teceler> which is what I assumed was going on 20:06 < rockeye> because server does not recieve message that I quit, it think I'm still listening 20:07 < rockeye> and only drops it after a few minutes of inactivity 20:07 < Teceler> yup 20:17 < Andygal> Yeah. 20:39 < rockeye> I am in the unique position to not be the one doing all the work at the last minute for a big team project 20:39 < rockeye> This other guy decided he'd do it all himself 20:39 < rockeye> I'm doing documentation instead I guess 21:49 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 21:49 < Faceless> Hi everyone o/ 21:51 <@Adelene> o/ 21:53 < Faceless> So, how are things? 21:53 < Faceless> (who plays Sapphire?it was mori?) 21:54 < rockeye> yeah its mori 21:55 < Faceless> ah, I was curious about behind-the-scene stuff 21:55 < Faceless> specifically why and when did a time-policing-elemental-entity watched a star trek movie xD 22:05 < Faceless> I am reading Miles and Yvette in the Betan Colony 22:06 < Faceless> this is going to intesively emotional, right? 22:06 < Andygal> Yes. 22:08 < Faceless> and both Kappa and Aestrix are writing... great 22:12 < Andygal> Yes. 22:14 < Faceless> What is the problem with Beta Colony? 22:15 < Teceler> ? 22:15 < Faceless> the two keep complaining about betans 22:15 <@Adelene> It is Very Betan. (There are massive cultural differences. Also Betans look down on Barrayarans, sometimes justifiedly but often not.) 22:17 < Faceless> looking down on a "you are from a third world country" kinda of way? 22:17 < Andygal> I think that's kind of the thing, yeah. 22:22 -!- Faceless has quit 22:28 -!- Mori has joined #backstage 22:28 < Mori> Hi people! 22:30 < Teceler> hello 22:31 < Teceler> ...you just missed Faceless, they had a question for you 22:31 < Teceler> <Faceless> ah, I was curious about behind-the-scene stuff 22:31 < Teceler> <Faceless> specifically why and when did a time-policing-elemental-entity watched a star trek movie xD 22:32 < Mori> Ah, and one I actually had an answer to! It caused a time break she had to fix. 22:33 < rockeye> infinite loops of Thursdays are nobody's friend 22:34 < Mori> Exactly. A remake got made in 2364 when the original Star Trek was set, and that plus some particularly dedicated cosplayers plus a time travel subplot ended ... unfortunately. 22:34 < Teceler> pft 22:34 < Andygal> ... 22:35 < rockeye> What, are they tinkers from Worm? 22:35 < rockeye> how did they manage it 22:36 < Teceler> ? 22:36 < rockeye> how do cosplayers cause time travel 22:36 < rockeye> just 'that is a thing tech can do in that 'verse'? 22:36 < Teceler> ah 22:37 < Mori> Not deliberately -- in Sapphire's universe, time breaks are a thing that just happen, usually caused by a critical mass of anachronisms 22:37 < rockeye> oh dear 22:37 < Mori> yeah 22:38 < rockeye> are renfairs banned? 22:38 < Mori> no, although Sapphire would certainly approve 22:38 < Mori> she finds humans annoying for a reason. there are not nearly this many anachronisms on Jupiter. 22:39 < Teceler> ...pft 22:40 < Andygal> pfff 22:41 < Andygal> that's cause Jupiter is boring. 22:41 < Mori> true. 22:45 -!- Sonata has quit 22:54 -!- Mori has quit 23:00 * rockeye has a headache 23:00 < Andygal> awwww. 23:03 * rockeye is finding ibuprofin.... 23:04 < Andygal> Ibuprofen, best friend! 23:09 * rockeye should probably sleep :/ 23:12 -!- rockeye has quit 23:49 <@Adelene> hmmmmmm https://wish-i-may.dreamwidth.org/icons?sortorder=keyword --- Day changed Wed Dec 02 2015 01:01 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 02:10 -!- Andygal has quit
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Post by Mother Starlight on Dec 3, 2015 16:11:06 GMT
08:26 -!- Adelene has quit 08:36 -!- Adelene has joined #backstage 08:36 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Adelene] by ChanServ 12:21 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 13:03 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 13:03 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 13:03 -!- rockeye has joined #backstage 13:11 * Sonata sighs at calendar 13:11 <@Sonata> why must monthday two be different from twosday 13:16 < Teceler> ? 13:21 <@Sonata> today is December Two, but yesterday was Tuesday 13:21 <@Sonata> this is unnecessarily confusing 13:21 < Teceler> ...ah 13:22 <@Sonata> all months should begin on Wonday, followed by Twosday 13:22 <@Sonata> and then, uh, Thirdsday 13:22 <@Sonata> not sure when to put When?sday 13:23 < Teceler> December also claims to be the tenth month 13:23 * Teceler shakes fist at calendar system 13:27 < rockeye> I'd prefer tendays to weeks. But god made the universe in seven days apparently so we should keep track of time that way??? 13:28 <@Sonata> My rationalized calendar consists of four seasons of three months of three weeks of ten days, with seasons separated by intercalary holidays of one or two days as needed. 13:36 <@Adelene> On the other hand seven day weeks work pretty well for me from a spoon standpoint, if we're going with two-day weekends regardless. Eight days on and two days off would be too many days. 13:36 <@Sonata> I was thinking three days off, distributed as you like. 13:37 <@Adelene> *nod* 13:37 <@Sonata> since 2/7 ≈ 3/10 13:37 <@Adelene> sure. 13:45 < rockeye> I remember reading that americans work way more than other nations 13:46 < rockeye> developed* 13:46 < rockeye> nations 13:46 < rockeye> not sure if that's true 13:47 < Andygal> I think Japanese work way more than Americans. 13:49 < rockeye> well it was hearsay 14:05 <@Adelene> https://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=ANHRS 14:09 <@Adelene> (Japan's average in 2014 was less than America's, but not by much; Americal is midrange for the listed countries but the ones with more hours do seem to be less big-name-heavy-hitter type ones mostly.) 14:09 < rockeye> shrug 14:09 < Andygal> Huh. 14:12 * rockeye is deciding on which liberal arts elective to take as his last required college course... 14:13 <@Sonata> Creative writing? 14:16 -!- MTC has quit 14:16 < rockeye> I'm looking through all valid offerings and making a list of at-least-nominally-interesting, maybe will post the list here when it's done 14:53 -!- Jarnvidr has quit 15:16 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 15:17 < rockeye> I don't particularly want to roll a D12 to decide my last liberal ed elective 15:17 < rockeye> anyone want to help me pick from a list? 15:23 < rockeye> ...wait it turns out most of them don't fint my schedule because ABE 469 apparently needs a 3 hour lecture block 15:25 < rockeye> so of the 12 classes that sounded interesting at fiart it looks like TWO will actually fit my schedule 15:25 < Teceler> at least that reduces your list of things to chose from some? 15:34 < rockeye> Which sounds more interesting: GEO 101 Global Development and Environment or GEO 106 Geographies of Globalization 15:36 <@Sonata> I'd go for Geographies of Globalization 15:36 <@Sonata> based only on that 15:36 <@Sonata> but actually I'd recommend whichever teacher has the better reputation 15:36 < rockeye> woah hold on I missed 'art history' classes can you say easy A? 15:37 < rockeye> I'll need to look up the teachers to be sure which is which though 15:39 <@Sonata> remember though, wasting your time is wasting your money 15:40 <@Sonata> do you really want to pay $X for a non-educational easy A? 15:40 < rockeye> I need one more lib ed class to graduate 15:40 < rockeye> And the tuition is the same for 12 hrs or 15 hrs. 15:42 <@Sonata> i guess 15:42 <@Sonata> so the question is still do you want an easy grade, or an education? 15:43 <@Sonata> (i have to go) 15:43 -!- Sonata has quit 16:23 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 16:23 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 16:32 < rockeye> :/ 16:49 < Andygal> wb? 16:49 -!- MTC has quit 17:07 -!- Jarnvidr has joined #backstage 17:41 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 17:50 < Faceless> hello 17:51 < Andygal> Hi. 17:57 < Faceless> I am trying to get feedback on a small concept >.> 17:58 < Faceless> If it is a good idea to have a system using that takes some of D&D naming conventions such as having spells like "Telephatic Bond" and "Lesser Telepathic Bond"? 17:58 < Faceless> system that* 18:03 <@Sonata> I don't see a problem with it 18:06 < Faceless> thanks 18:06 < Faceless> I might find some other adjectives though 18:55 -!- Sonata has quit 19:14 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 19:14 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 20:41 < Faceless> Sapphire's world is doomed, doomed by nerds 20:42 < Andygal> nerds? 20:42 < Faceless> yup look: http://manyworlds.boards.net/post/5872/thread 21:16 -!- Mori has joined #backstage 21:51 < Xom> looking at that thread i am so tempted to have somebody from a world where time doesn't work the same way *in the slightest* post 21:51 < Xom> also tempted to make a zybourne clock joke 21:52 < Xom> "Imagine zero balls on the edge of a cliff" 21:52 < Mori> oh please do that would be hilarious 21:52 <@Sonata> " 21:52 <@Sonata> But it wouldn't make any sense for you not to have time. That seems fundamental -- I don't know what a universe without time would even be like." pinging esthfora 21:53 < Teceler> pft 21:53 < Xom> I have no idea who would post the joke, but it goes like this: 21:53 < Xom> "Let me use this analogy. Imagine zero balls on the edge of a cliff. A complete lack of time works the same way." 21:54 < Mori> *snicker* 21:54 < Xom> also i'm kind of half-surprised that someone else here knows about zybourne clock 21:55 < Mori> yeah idk where I'd run across it but I'm a sucker for that kind of thing 21:56 < Mori> Sapphire would be so blindsided by time not working the same way -- she is not very good at, uh, empathy...or believing other people can be different from her 21:57 < Xom> oh man I could actually post as xom if i wanted 21:58 < Xom> "Well, you know how people are able to think for as long as they want in between turns? It's like that, except that the next turn never happens." 21:58 < Teceler> ....pfffffffft 21:58 < Teceler> ...now I have to actually make a character I've been considering so they can contribute to this thread, oh no. 22:00 < Faceless> oh yes! 22:00 <@Sonata> haha 22:02 < Xom> i did it 22:02 < Xom> i posted for the first time in forever 22:02 < Faceless> yay 22:02 < Mori> excellent! 22:03 < Xom> because it was a perfect opportunity to be perfectly confusing 22:03 < Faceless> it was :D 22:05 < Xom> i think in my mind i have this mental image of xom being the sort of person/god who plays the villain but is actually helpful in a weird way suspiciously often 22:05 < Teceler> pft 22:06 < Mori> "keeps its clockhands to itself" okay I love that 22:07 < Faceless> thanks! 22:16 < Faceless> poor Sapphire, is so confused xD 22:17 < Xom> you have no idea how tempted I was to have xom give the *full* explanation of time before i realized that he would be very quickly bored of explaining it 22:18 < Xom> also, it's worth pointing out (since it probably won't come up in character) that some gods were not, in fact, at the council meeting where time was implemented 22:18 < Xom> qazlal and gozag weren't, for instance 22:18 < Teceler> pft 22:18 < Xom> ... because they didn't exist 22:19 <@Sonata> ooh 22:19 * Teceler uploads avatar, hums 22:20 <@Sonata> Where is this lore coming from? 22:20 < Faceless> that is a reason not to go to a time implementation meeting 22:20 < Faceless> but 22:20 < Faceless> the comite could have easily solved that problem 22:21 < Xom> sonata, are you asking me? 22:21 <@Sonata> yeah 22:22 < Xom> it comes from being very literal about game mechanics almost to the point of fourth-wall-breaking 22:22 < Faceless> gozag and qazlal didn't exist in the first version of the game? 22:23 -!- Mori has quit 22:23 < Xom> They were implemented rather recently 22:23 < Xom> also xom probably wasn't in the first version either but i'm looking up version history now and i believe xom was in the first version that *had gods* 22:25 < Xom> if he wasn't then i'm setting an arbitrary beginning of existence somewhere 22:25 < Faceless> dotted line is the only nightvalean that posts in the forum? 22:25 < Teceler> actually Janice has posted a few times 22:25 < Xom> ok as far as I can tell xom was in stone soup 0.1.0 and i have no way of getting Linley's Dungeon Crawl version history so 22:25 < Teceler> as Cloaked, iirc 22:25 < Teceler> but mostly yes 22:26 < Faceless> Teceler, well next when Kel is up, suggest her to post in the time thread. With something original or with a variation of "Time is weird, so is space" 22:28 < Xom> did you know that, to the perception of (most?) of the gods, having a hasted creature exist somewhere actually slows down the entire flow of time 22:28 < Faceless> o.o 22:30 < Teceler> ...why do I get the impression that trying to translate this post is giving MS a (metaphorical) headache? (It probably isn't, she's good at translation, just,) 22:30 < Teceler> (where 'this post' = 'the post I am currently writing') 22:30 < Faceless> what about it is headache inducing? 22:31 < Teceler> ...it's kind of hard to explain. other than the images thing, which is a thing 22:33 < Xom> I kind of want to have Elyvilon explain time but I can't quite come up with the words to explain a typical roguelike energy-based system outside of the context of a simulation 22:33 <@Sonata> now I want to hear Cheibriados explain how time works in Zot 22:34 < Xom> ugh i'd be terrible at talking in-character as chei plus i don't have an account for her 22:35 < Xom> that is an excellent idea otherwise though 22:36 < Faceless> who is chei and ely again? 22:36 -!- kappabeta has joined #backstage 22:36 -!- mode/#backstage [+o kappabeta] by ChanServ 22:37 < Xom> elivilon the healer is one of the three 'good' gods and the only one i'd really call good 22:37 <@kappabeta> hello i am here to brag about my emotionally intense teenagers and then go to bed 22:37 <@kappabeta> *brag* 22:37 < Xom> and for chei: " Cheibriados is a god of deliberation. Those following Cheibriados travel more slowly the further they progress in their faith, and are forbidden from using any means to hasten themselves. In the process of so imitating their god, they attain perfection of mind and body, and the mysteries of time unfold before them. Especially devout followers may even momentarily abandon the flow of time and its needless disturbances." 22:37 < Teceler> hello kappa 22:37 < Xom> hello kappa 22:37 <@Sonata> hello kappa 22:38 < Faceless> hello kappa 22:38 < Faceless> kappabeta: to give you more reason to brag, that thread made me grin all day 22:39 <@kappabeta> eeeee! 22:39 <@kappabeta> i am Very Proud of Emotionally Intense Teenage Miles 22:39 < Xom> oh man someday i will catch up on glowfic 22:39 < Faceless> you should, jesus christ, you should 22:39 < Xom> and i will know what this fuss is about 22:39 < Faceless> (that was meant at kappa) 22:40 <@kappabeta> :D :D :D :D :D 22:40 < Xom> and i'll show up and be like "hey guys how about that emotionally intense teenage miles!" and you'll all groan at me for being behind-the-times 22:40 <@kappabeta> xom: if you wish to investigate this fuss *in particular* it's here http://pixiethreads.dreamwidth.org/6872.html 22:40 <@Sonata> no way, we'll be I KNOW RIGHT and go reread the thread 22:41 < Faceless> Xom, depending we might rejoice again for bringing back the memory. 22:41 < Xom> i don't really have the time to read 226 comments right now, but thanks 22:41 < Faceless> that thread is memorable 22:41 <@kappabeta> if you go up to *me* in like a year and say "how about that emotionally intense teenage miles" i'lll be like GOD YES WASN'T THAT AMAZING 22:41 < Faceless> the amazest 22:41 < Faceless> (ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ*:・゚✧ 22:41 < Xom> agreeing with me and groaning at me being behind-the-times aren't necessarily mutually exclusive 22:42 <@kappabeta> eee, flung sparkles 22:42 <@kappabeta> coming into chat to brag about my emotionally intense teenager was a good decision 22:42 < Xom> it seems that way, yes 22:42 < Faceless> ^_^ 22:43 < Xom> man i wish i could examine things in detail without any time actually passing like Zot characters can 22:43 <@Sonata> that would be pretty great 22:43 < Xom> i would catch up on all the glowfic because it takes like .1 AUT to load a page 22:44 < Faceless> I would catch up with ALL OF THE THINGS 22:44 < Faceless> *remembers the endless list of to-read things and to-watch things* 22:45 < Xom> i'd probably own a lot more paper books too 22:45 < Xom> because flipping through the pages of a book doesn't use a turn according to established Zot fact 22:46 < Xom> (you can read the full descriptions of every spell in a spellbook in zero time) 22:47 < Faceless> that is convenient 22:47 < Faceless> now I am picturing a wizard middle battle holding out a hand and saying "hold on I need to check the blast radius of this spell" 22:47 < Teceler> pft 22:48 < Xom> actually i think turn-based-videogame-like mental speed is a superpower that has had works of fiction written about it 22:48 < Xom> like "The Gamer" 22:48 < Xom> also a very close approximation of it has been in glowfic before so 22:49 * Teceler pokes at translation 22:49 * Teceler decides it is adequate. 22:49 < Xom> also, Faceless, blast radius is usually magically visualizable as you cast a spell that has a blast radius 22:50 * Teceler posts. 22:50 < Faceless> Xom, I meant in like, a realistic situation not in a video-gamey situation, but fair point. 22:51 < Faceless> Teceler, freefall? 22:51 < Teceler> yes 22:52 < Teceler> (yes the post is deliberately confusing on my part) 22:52 < Teceler> (like, context-wise) 22:52 < Faceless> I gathered 22:52 < Teceler> ? 22:53 < Faceless> I gathered from your comments and context that the post is purposefully confusing. 22:53 < Teceler> ah 22:53 < Teceler> freefall is not trying to be confusing 22:53 < Faceless> I also gathered that 22:54 * Teceler is curious what else you've gathered 22:54 <@Sonata> I think they're asking how much takkarash they can mint from experiencing those various sensations 22:54 <@Sonata> and the avatar looks kind of like Troll Physics 22:55 < Teceler> Sonata: hm? 22:55 < Xom> once again the idea occurs to me to make a character from the DROD series' Great Underground Empire 22:55 < Faceless> Teceler, not sure what to make of that statement? o.o 22:56 < Teceler> (I'm guessing that's a thing in a specific universe that I am not sufficently familiar with) 22:57 < Teceler> (the avatar is the result of me spending several minutes in gimp. and is icly what got translated as 'freefall') 22:58 < Faceless> where freefall is from? 22:58 < Teceler> that is a Mystery 22:59 < Teceler> (as in, you are invited to try to work that out, I feel like not saying for the moment) 22:59 < Teceler> (I actually didn't add another list item because I thought it would probably give it away) 23:01 < Teceler> ...like, if you really want me to explain I guess I can? 23:01 <@Sonata> troll physics: https://i.imgur.com/2CjDW.jpg 23:01 < Teceler> ah 23:02 < Faceless> Sonata, if only. 23:02 < Teceler> ...this really feels like it should get an image 23:02 < Teceler> hm 23:04 < Teceler> pft 23:11 -!- Mori has joined #backstage 23:12 < Faceless> hi again mori 23:13 <@kappabeta> hmm i realize i've fallen down a bit on the "go to bed" stage of the "brag and go to bed" plan 23:13 < Mori> hey again! 23:13 < Teceler> wb Mori 23:14 < Mori> did I miss anything exciting? 23:14 < Xom> you missed kappa bragging about something 23:15 < Xom> ... and, it would seem, failing to go to bed afterwards as planned 23:15 <@kappabeta> indeed 23:15 <@kappabeta> XD 23:15 <@kappabeta> Glowfic. 23:17 < Faceless> the perils of glowfic 23:17 < Faceless> that glow is like an anglerfish 23:17 <@kappabeta> snrk 23:17 <@kappabeta> <3 23:18 < Teceler> pft 23:18 * Teceler posts in the time thread, with an ooc description standing in for an image 23:19 < Faceless> Teceler, yeah that is... supposed to be a timey-wimey ball? 23:19 < Mori> @Teceler: wibbly wobbly! 23:20 < Teceler> that is not an inaccurate description XD 23:20 < Teceler> and I did in fact have that metaphor in mind there 23:20 < Teceler> (no freefall is not from that universe though) 23:21 < Faceless> huh, argh, I need to go to bed now. Which means I will read glowfic until I fall asleep. xD 23:21 < Faceless> good night everyone 23:21 < Teceler> sleep well Faceless 23:21 < Faceless> And remember Very Emotionally Intense Teenage Miles (ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ*:・゚✧ 23:21 < Teceler> (it may help if I say that most of freefall's weird time stuff is my own invention/headcanon) 23:22 < Mori> good night Faceless! 23:23 < Faceless> o/ 23:23 -!- Faceless has quit 23:24 <@kappabeta> man i'd forgotten how adorable Home is 23:25 < Teceler> very 23:26 < Teceler> *very adorable 23:27 <@kappabeta> "If I didn't do time then things wouldn't happen." --the most adorable universe 23:27 < Mori> ^^ this is so accurate 23:27 <@kappabeta> XD 23:27 <@kappabeta> <3 23:28 < Teceler> Sapphire is so confused, I expect 23:28 < Mori> ohhhh yes 23:35 <@kappabeta> Poor Home is very hazy on the idea of a terminological dispute. XD 23:35 < Mori> XD 23:35 < Mori> Sapphire is having her worldview majorly challenged 23:35 < Mori> (and not dealing with this very well) 23:37 < Xom> Xom is wondering who slipped Sapphire a potion of ambrosia 23:37 < Teceler> ...what do those do? 23:37 < Xom> since she seems quite confused 23:37 < Xom> "immediately inflicts you with 3-10 turns of confusion, during which time you also benefit from a greatly increased HP and MP regeneration rate (+3-5 HP and MP per turn on top of standard regeneration)" 23:38 < Xom> the relevant part is the confusion 23:39 < Xom> potions of confusion were removed in .16 23:42 < Mori> I <3 Home 23:42 < Teceler> home is a delight /agreement 23:43 < Xom> one could even say there's no place like Home 23:44 * Teceler groans. 23:44 < Mori> ouch 23:46 < Xom> ... words that appeared in my head: "'If you and the other Piantas could just follow me to your places so Mario could clear this stage that would be great', Tom chuckled" 23:47 < Xom> i'm sorry 23:51 < Xom> also, scrolling back a bit in the thread, xom almost wants to respond to Sapphire by giving an example of both a different boolean logic and a different time explained in complete detail 23:52 < Xom> ... but he'd get bored before he was even a quarter of the way through writing that 23:52 < Mori> that's too bad because it would probably make her head explode 23:53 < Xom> ... xom is currently pleading with elivilon to write up at least how time works 23:53 < Xom> elyvilon 23:54 * Xom just wants to see a head explode, is that too much to ask? 23:54 < Mori> never too much to ask 23:55 < Xom> Elyvilon, sadly, does not want to see a head explode 23:55 < Mori> awwww 23:56 < Xom> And she's the only other god with a forum account 23:56 < Mori> I'm sure Sapphire's head will get exploded eventually 23:56 < Teceler> could Xom ask someone to explain it and copy that to the forum, or would he still get bored too quickly that way? 23:56 < Xom> probably 23:57 < Xom> I mean, other gods could make accounts but they don't really have a reason to: xom has an account so he can mess with people, elyvilon has an account because diplomacy is her domain 23:58 < Xom> Chei would be the most capable of explaining it, but there's no reason for her to bother -- and besides, people post too often 23:58 < Xom> (in Chei's opinion, not mine) --- Day changed Thu Dec 03 2015 00:02 <@kappabeta> i am finally managing to go to bed, goodnight friends 00:02 -!- kappabeta has left #backstage 00:02 < Xom> goodnight 00:02 < Teceler> sleep we-- 00:02 < Mori> good night 00:02 * Xom chuckles 00:09 * rockeye forgot this existed for a while 00:11 < rockeye> ok so that thing that is due Saturday? 00:11 < rockeye> no, it's due at 9 am 00:11 < rockeye> yay. 00:12 < Mori> oh, hurrah 00:12 < rockeye> so I'll just be doing that 00:12 < Teceler> good luck 00:12 < Mori> yeah I have a biology paper I'm procrastinating 00:12 < Mori> we can do panicky work together 00:12 < rockeye> bur first, does anyone have opinions on Grendyne? 00:12 < rockeye> She feels paper. 00:13 < rockeye> I think I used the phrase 'plot robot' earlier this week. 00:14 < Xom> at least it wasn't a robot plot 00:15 < rockeye> yes, that would be unfortunate 00:16 < Xom> unless it was a robot plot... to treat the humans to a nice dinner and a movie and talk about life 00:17 < rockeye> can I send image to this thing? I kinda want to share my stupid pitiful probably wrong Entity Relationship Diagram 00:17 < Teceler> or, you know, ordinary kinds of plotting that have nothing to do with them being robots 00:17 < rockeye> just to express my frustration with software engineering by ranting about it 00:18 < rockeye> ah, nevermind 00:18 < Teceler> software engineering does tend to induce that feeling 00:20 < rockeye> maybe I'll satisfy myself by pasting in my ridiculously simple and probably not 3NF database schema when I'm done writing it 00:24 <@Sonata> is an Entity Relationship Diagram the same thing as a shipping chart? 00:25 <@Sonata> and, I think irc doesn't directly support images, but you could post an imgur link 00:26 < rockeye> no, well, it shows how the thingies in your system deal with each other 00:26 <@Sonata> ...but I should go to bed in about -1.5 hours 00:26 < Xom> it's like a shipping chart... except for nonsentient code instead of people 00:27 < Teceler> pft 00:27 < Mori> that sounds like less fun 00:27 < rockeye> http://www.texample.net/media/tikz/examples/PNG/entity-relationship-diagram.png 00:27 < Teceler> (@Xom) 00:27 < Mori> I ship Repairs/Car 00:28 < Xom> ISA/employee/mechanic/salesman ot4 00:28 < rockeye> You read glowfic mori? 00:28 < Mori> I do! (although there is SO MUCH) 00:29 < rockeye> If you know my characters, do you ship any of them with anybody? Because I have exactly two headcanon ships. I wonder if you can guess. 00:30 < Mori> I don't think I know any of your characters yet! They are On My List. I will let you know about the ships I shall assuredly have once I have actually read them. 00:30 < rockeye> In order of when I wrote them, Nick, Steel, and Gren are the three that are awake enough to ship with things 00:31 < Mori> I am constantly amazed by this "awake" thing -- from the descriptions I've heard, I think it's a thing that just doesn't happen to me 00:31 < rockeye> the others who were oneoffs are Konni, Erin, and Major Gepard 00:32 < rockeye> Well, there's an extent to which I'm faking them being awake? Nick is the most of the three. Gren second. 00:32 < Teceler> ? 00:32 < rockeye> idk 00:33 < Xom> oh you're talking about that thing where you have a detailed enough model of a character that you can simulate them 00:33 < Teceler> I'm just not sure what you mean by 'faking being awake' 00:33 < rockeye> I say awake but they don't pop out of nowhere and say things like Kappa seems to have his. I just have sufficient model to simulate them. 00:33 < Xom> i was confused for a while 00:34 < rockeye> Like, Nick is agressively repelled by the idea of being tied down 00:34 < rockeye> and goes into an almost tinkery fugue 00:34 < Teceler> mm, to a degree I think that's, like, habitually simulating them in response to things / in the background? or functions similarly to that 00:34 < rockeye> and Gren is really kinda passive and lazy beneath the surface? Doesn't have a lifelong goal unless one is supplied to her. 00:34 <@Sonata> Steel feels the most shippable to me 00:34 < Xom> yeah, any thoughts can come unbidden 00:35 < rockeye> I still don't know what Steel is thinking.... 00:35 < Xom> character simulations are no different in that regard, as far as i'm aware 00:35 < Xom> save for the fact that humans have mirror neurons etc 00:35 < Teceler> Nick doesn't seem very shippable, except maybe with a fellow traveller or something along those lines 00:36 <@Sonata> Nick might get along with the dimension-hopping x-twins 00:37 < rockeye> I'll not quite yet spoil the one character nick is attracted to, but I haven't talked to their author to see if it's onesided 00:37 <@Sonata> and Steel might work well with an Yvette 00:38 < Teceler> now I'm /curious/ XD 00:38 < rockeye> It doesn't really make SENSE but my model spat out 'nick likes that person' anyway 00:39 < rockeye> hmm should I just say it? 00:39 < Teceler> only if you want to 00:39 < rockeye> Sable. 00:39 <@Sonata> hmm 00:39 < Teceler> iiinteresting. 00:39 <@Sonata> I can see that. 00:39 < Teceler> I could see that, yeah 00:39 <@Sonata> He can feed her 00:40 < rockeye> her, hm, attitude towards nonsense is a big part of it 00:48 -!- Sonata has quit 01:04 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 01:07 < rockeye> yay, database design 01:16 < rockeye> not sure if it's better or worse that I won't actually have to write queries in the garbage schema I'm throwing out... 01:25 * rockeye is sleepy now 01:25 -!- rockeye has quit 01:26 < Teceler> sleep sounds like a good idea 01:26 < Teceler> good night all 01:26 < Andygal> goodnight. 01:36 -!- Mori has quit
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Post by Mother Starlight on Dec 4, 2015 16:44:00 GMT
05:32 -!- Andygal has quit 08:20 -!- Jarnvidr has quit 08:20 -!- Jarnvidr has joined #backstage 10:03 -!- rockeye has joined #backstage 10:03 * rockeye is nervous... 10:42 < Xom> https://twitter.com/lowtax/status/672440525543243778/photo/1 i kind of want this to be a real thing 10:43 < Xom> i mean, if you can reach through it and poke someone surely you can also pass other matter through it right 10:49 < rockeye> Augh, brain shut up why did you remind me of THAT 10:50 < rockeye> If you had a portal generator, undercut FedEx. Or just sell it to them. 11:08 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 11:08 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 11:08 < rockeye> o hi 11:09 <@Sonata> hi 11:09 < rockeye> overall things do not seem so bad today 11:09 <@Sonata> oh good 11:09 < rockeye> not as bad as they did last week 12:48 <@Sonata> Dinosaurs are neat. 12:49 <@Sonata> That is all. 12:49 < Teceler> ...I am curious about what resulted in that statement XD 12:51 <@Sonata> reading Dinosaur Comics 13:08 < rockeye> I am a bit sad that the Mythbusters are finally done for good 13:31 <@Sonata> that is yes a sad 13:31 <@Sonata> ;_;7 farewell 13:32 < Teceler> wait, I didn't hear about this. what happened? 13:41 * Teceler consults the internet, is vaguely surprised she didn't hear about this earlier 15:13 < rockeye> the internet is viciously creatively satirical sometimes... 15:29 -!- MTC has quit 15:37 < rockeye> ~finals~ 15:38 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 15:38 < Faceless> o/, 15:42 <@Sonata> hello 16:34 < Faceless> sorry got distracted with banished >.> 16:34 < Faceless> also, hooray for forum activity! :D 17:41 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 17:46 * rockeye peeks 17:49 < Andygal> Hi. 18:05 < Faceless> hi 18:05 < Faceless> still there rockeye? 18:06 < rockeye> ya 18:06 < Faceless> So, could you elaborate on Nick x Sable? 18:07 < rockeye> I'ts less nick x sable and more nick --> sable since idk sable's feels 18:07 < Faceless> fair point 18:07 < Faceless> what was the other ship? 18:08 < rockeye> grendyne x not telling 18:08 < Faceless> can we guess? 18:08 < rockeye> I am unwilling to confirm nor deny guesses at this time 18:09 < rockeye> but sure 18:09 < Faceless> ok 18:09 < Faceless> So... What exactly a plot robot is? I wouldn't call your characters that 18:10 < rockeye> that was mostly me being under finals!stress 18:10 < rockeye> And worrying that I'm forgetting who my characters are 18:11 <@Sonata> Ahrotahn is pretty shaped-by-circumstance 18:11 <@Sonata> actually most of my characters are defined externally 18:12 < Faceless> rockeye, happens to all of us. 18:12 < rockeye> who's ahrotahn again 18:12 < Faceless> sonata, what kind of circumstance? 18:12 < Faceless> she is from the ages world? 18:12 <@Sonata> yeah 18:12 <@Sonata> Myst/Uru/D'ni 18:14 <@Sonata> circumstance like... she started as Myst Protagonist, and later she developed a bondage kink when I discovered Ashenzari, and she literally installed masochism because of takkarash... 18:14 <@Sonata> i mean, she /kind/ of has her own personality? but it's always been triggered/seeded/precipitated by outside things 18:15 < rockeye> Steel thinks Cam is pretty but is not romantically attracted to him beyond that 18:15 <@Sonata> like, I'd have a really hard treating her as templatey 18:15 < rockeye> Demon CAm 18:15 <@Sonata> she changes too much when transplanted 18:16 < Teceler> you can't set up events in the transplant to still get her? 18:16 < Faceless> what teceler said 18:16 < Faceless> and Rockeye, I borderline classified Steel a asexual 18:16 < Faceless> not in the "actually asexual" sense, but on the "don't think of her as a sexual creature sense" 18:16 < Faceless> Nick is similar 18:17 < rockeye> Yeah that's about right 18:17 < Faceless> why he doesn't like being tied up? 18:17 <@Sonata> yeah, that's what I got the feeling like too 18:17 <@Sonata> re: set up events: maybe? I don't feel like there's enough of an attractor, minor/moderate changes in circumstance tend to result in corresponding changes in her, rather than her elasticing back to a center 18:17 < rockeye> Nick not so much asexual as he kinda pretends to be because getting attached to someone is scary 18:18 < rockeye> steel just doesn't care 18:18 <@Sonata> that sounds more like nick is aro, to me 18:18 < Faceless> I would say that... 18:19 < Teceler> ...like, that's closer to aro than ace, but that doesn't nessecarily sound aro to me? 18:19 < rockeye> he's not even aro necessarily - i almost want to compare him to Logan in the more recent movies. If pressed into a relationship he could liek it but by default he's not gonna seek one out 18:19 < Faceless> romance and sexuality look not-important to either character stories that they don't eally register to me 18:19 < rockeye> *wolvering 18:20 < rockeye> gah for some reason I always type 'wolvering' instead of 'wolverine' 18:20 < rockeye> maybe I am just too used to ing 18:20 < rockeye> it's one keystroke to me 18:20 <@Adelene> Muscle memory. 18:20 < Faceless> like, for all I know, Nick goes weekly to a brothel in another dimension, it is just completely irrelegant to his stories... i am not making any sense. 18:21 <@Sonata> no, that makes sense 18:21 < Faceless> irrelevant 18:21 < Faceless> * 18:21 < rockeye> nick is offended by the huge waste of money a brothel would be 18:21 <@Sonata> sexuality isn't /important/ to who he is 18:21 < Faceless> pfft xD 18:21 < Faceless> Sonata, nailed it 18:21 < Teceler> pft 18:22 < Faceless> rockeye what he thought about walking around a bunch of naked witches? 18:23 < rockeye> Well, they said they don't mind. I'll try not to pay any particular attention to it. 18:24 < Faceless> I suppose he has to get some level of... cultural flexibility if he is going around dimension hopping 18:25 < rockeye> I think it's a little interesting that I think it easier to write a straight female character than a gay female character despite myself being attracted only to females? 18:26 < Faceless> huh, I actually worried about the opposite (having problems writing female-attracted characters) 18:27 < rockeye> I don't *actually* have a model of what being attracted to a male is like but for some reason when I'm being a character I can almost kinda sorta do it 18:29 < Faceless> maybe you are sort of... reversing what you want a female to find attractive in you...? someone technobabble this up with sciency words. Cognitive Bias! Mirror Neurons! 18:29 < rockeye> that sounda like part of it. 18:30 < rockeye> or more like 'things this character would be attracted to in a female translated onto a guy' 18:31 < Faceless> maybe you are like better at modelling straight relationships, both ways? 18:31 < rockeye> idk 18:31 < Teceler> brains are weird 18:31 * Faceless shrugs 18:34 < rockeye> I think I'll tell the person Gren is attracted to 18:34 < Faceless> the weirdest 18:34 < rockeye> it's not actually very interesting 18:34 < Faceless> ok 18:35 < Faceless> ? 18:36 < rockeye> It's Shawn, her wolf. It's just *the done thing* when imprinting happens and she falls into that neatly. If there were some other setting where forced relationship might be a thing - arranged marriage or something - she could manage that fairly well too unless incompatible orientation or the guy in question is just terrible 18:36 < rockeye> she's floaty in terms of relationships 18:37 < Teceler> huh 18:38 < Faceless> yeah, I think you mentioned she is sort of... lazy, I think she is also direction-less? 18:38 < rockeye> she does not have her OWN direction 18:38 < Faceless> yeah that 18:38 < rockeye> if provided with a direction shem mostly agrees with she follows that 18:39 < Faceless> (temple: oh, she *is* a good student candidate) 18:40 < rockeye> And I will say in response to earlier conversation that nick is def not ace, he's attracted to people sometimes, just doesn't feel like doing anything about it 18:40 < Faceless> what would happen in a imprint/matebond style situation? 18:40 < rockeye> to Nick? 18:40 < Faceless> yup 18:40 < Faceless> and Steel, because why not. 18:41 < Teceler> ...I don't see Nick reacting very well 18:41 < rockeye> Carlisle type response, maybe 18:41 < rockeye> Steel... hm 18:41 < Teceler> huh 18:41 < rockeye> She'd possibly get stalkery 18:41 < rockeye> not sure 18:41 < Faceless> rockeye, I meant on the other direction the other person being the one in super-magical-love 18:41 < rockeye> she's not as awake 18:43 < rockeye> steel would let them hang around her but not readily submit to badgering or influince about where to go or what to do 18:43 < rockeye> Nick would... Not react very well. It's possible that a nice wandering-together result happens but it would be rough getting there 18:46 < Faceless> Gren is "whatever even if you are 13 yo" 18:47 < rockeye> he's 16 or 18 before she starts getting serious about it 18:47 < rockeye> but her mode at that point was basically 'this is a fairytale' 18:47 < rockeye> so I don't think it holds 18:48 < Faceless> I was mostly being sarcastic, sorry. 18:49 < Faceless> besides between the major 3 moieties, I don't think there are any big glowfic ships (or glowships) 18:49 < rockeye> she has few hangups about what is appropriate though. Gren I mean. Steel and Nick has more, but mostly in a personal sense 18:50 < Faceless> which is entirely reasonable 18:51 < rockeye> If Gren was gay she is not the type to feel icky or guilty about it even if society says so. She'll just get annoyed. Steel and Nick would feel icky and guilty and kinda milesy, really. Nick more than steel. 18:53 < Faceless> Do Nick and Steel even come in gay? 18:53 < rockeye> most characters can I think and mine are no exception. Steel more than nick though. 18:54 < Faceless> man, Nick sounds like the most awkward gay 18:54 < Teceler> ? 18:54 < rockeye> I wouldn't put numbers on them, but I feel like gay Gren is totally a thing, gay steel might be, and gay nick sounds unlikely but not actually *impossible* and bi is more likely? 18:54 <@Adelene> I could see Nick as gay, and I don't think he'd be more awkward about that than about being straight. Maybe less so, even. 18:55 <@Adelene> (Bi does seem more likely, though, yeah.) 18:56 < Faceless> it depends on the specific society, but Nick sort of come off as... not /good/ at relationships in a way that makes him rely on cultural norms to guide some of his behavior...? 18:57 < Faceless> like he would fret over the smallest things if you made the relationship just a bit more complicated, which would be true to pretty much anything not just different sexuality 18:57 < rockeye> yeah? 18:57 * Faceless makes vague gestures 18:58 * rockeye is bored now 18:58 < Faceless> sorry :/ 19:19 < Andygal> :( 19:19 < Faceless> ? 19:37 < Faceless> I am reading Twig by wildbow, anyone else read it already? 19:48 <@Sonata> not me 19:49 <@Sonata> don't really intend to 19:49 < Andygal> never heard of it. Should I be reading it? 19:50 < Faceless> I only started, it hadn't reached OMGYOUHAVETOREADTHIS level like worm, but I am at 1-7 19:50 < Faceless> but it is already very... intense 20:09 <@Adelene> Pact wasn't nearly as good as Worm; I don't intend to read Twig. 20:15 < Faceless> I only lasted until act 4 of pact, it was too... dunno, the world had too many moving parts? 20:17 <@Adelene> I didn't mind the moving parts, it was more the lack of payoff that made me not come back when trigger issues scared me away. 20:26 < Faceless> [hugs]? 20:27 < Faceless> and until I read it, pact lacked any awesome moments. 20:27 < Faceless> or at least awesome moments of similar level to worm at the same stage? 20:27 < Faceless> anyway, I am liking the Twig setting 20:35 < rockeye> note to self read Twig by wildbow 20:41 <@Adelene> I mean, they weren't /bad/ trigger issues, it was telegraphed really obviously that the one character might be about to get into a situation that would make my brain freak out. And then I went 'Alicorn, let me know when it's past that please?' 'cause she was also reading it, and then a few months later when I remembered to ask her about it she was like 'meh, that never got any better and I stopped following it'. 20:41 <@Adelene> Which, y'know, fair. 20:51 < rockeye> I should pick Worm back up and read the rest 20:51 < rockeye> I got to ch 55 or so 20:51 < rockeye> I think 20:58 < Faceless> rockeye, short answer: yes 20:58 < Faceless> long answer: hell yes. 20:59 < Faceless> Adelene, Alicorn stopped following because of trigger issues or...? 20:59 < rockeye> I started getting bored around the time the Undersiders deliberately attacked Armsmaster 20:59 <@Adelene> *giggle* *nodnod* Do wait 'till you've got some time free though. 20:59 < rockeye> At some dinnner fancy 20:59 <@Adelene> Alicorn stopped following 'cause she didn't want to bother any more. 21:03 < Faceless> there is a worm podcast in case you like to hear things in situations that you can't read 21:03 < Faceless> I am honestly not sure what is boring about the dinner fancy attack? 21:04 <@Adelene> It's kind of a really bad place to stop, if you don't know about what comes after or to expect there to /be/ anything after. 21:05 < Faceless> yeah, and I still don't know... why stop /there/ like, it doesn't sounds a particularly boring place? 21:10 <@Sonata> I stopped reading a little ways into the Murder Nine arc, it was just too emotionally exhausting for not enough payoff 21:10 * Sonata forgets what they're actually called 21:11 <@Sonata> Slaughterhouse Nine? 21:11 < rockeye> yes 21:11 < Teceler> Slaughterhouse 9, yeah 21:17 < rockeye> It's kind of complicated by the fact that discussing plot for my Worm thread resulted in massive spoilers 21:17 < rockeye> So I probably won't finish it 21:17 < Faceless> huh 21:17 < Faceless> too bad 21:17 < Teceler> ...did you get spoiled on Golden Morning? 21:18 < Faceless> I am vaguely surprised that I wasn't left all that much... exhausted by worm as some people did 21:18 < rockeye> I got spoiled about Cauldron and Sciono 21:18 < Teceler> ah 21:24 < Faceless> too bad :p 21:24 < Faceless> too bad :/ * 21:25 < Faceless> it was accidental spoilerly? 21:39 < rockeye> I am mad at my college course counselor 21:39 < Andygal> why? 21:39 < rockeye> Having just discovered that she probably lied and said I need more classes than I actually do 21:40 < rockeye> Tuition is per credit hour, you know 21:40 < Andygal> ah. 21:40 < Teceler> ouch 21:40 < Faceless> o.o 21:40 < rockeye> gonna call someone else in a different department to discuss my DARS report 21:42 < rockeye> tomorrow, offices close at 4 21:48 < Faceless> good luck? 21:58 * rockeye is somewhat disturbed by his own thoughts sometimes 21:58 <@Sonata> It's okay to be evil. 21:59 < rockeye> more like perverted 21:59 < rockeye> tmi? 21:59 < Andygal> Nah. 21:59 < Faceless> not much so far? 21:59 < Faceless> I mean this /is/ the crowd that reads about jokers 22:00 < rockeye> fair enough 22:00 < Faceless> I am not saying there aren't limits, but they are further away than the average 22:00 < rockeye> It's almost certainly not beyond jokers 22:00 < rockeye> Don't want to say what the disturbing thought actually was though 22:01 < rockeye> unless you lot are just insatiably curious 22:01 < Andygal> If you don't wanna talk about it you don't have to. 22:01 < Faceless> yup 22:01 <@Sonata> Zero pressure in either direction. 22:01 < Faceless> I am kinda distracted by Twig just now 22:02 < Faceless> it is experiencing [intensity intensifies] 22:02 < rockeye> It was a thought inspired by 'shiver sweet' takkarash kit that apparently contains a Tasp as well 22:02 < rockeye> from OTC 22:02 < rockeye> and got me thinking about applications of OTC's other things 22:03 < Andygal> if it exists, somebody has used it for sexual purposes. Somehow. 22:04 < Andygal> People are creative like that. 22:04 < rockeye> yes. I'm just unused to my brain generating examples on its own 22:04 < Faceless> hahaha 22:04 < Faceless> Now you are making me afriad of looking at OTC products list again xD 22:06 < rockeye> Not all of them are like that, it was just one, and now I'm thinking about a similarly fantastical thing that OTC doesn't sell but is the kind of thing it might 22:06 < rockeye> The portal gun, from portal 22:06 <@Sonata> ^^ 22:06 * Teceler says nothing 22:06 < rockeye> or a miniature version 22:06 < Faceless> ... 22:06 < rockeye> ayep 22:06 * Faceless sporfles 22:06 < Andygal> and now I'm reminded of the "I want to put my rod of wonder in your portable hole" joke. 22:07 <@Sonata> definitely better than putting a bag of holding in a portable hole 22:07 < Andygal> Negative space wedgie! 22:08 < rockeye> Recursive bags of holding are the kind of thing the TSAB gets a headache over dealing with... 22:09 < Faceless> tsab? 22:09 <@Sonata> Time Space Something Bureau 22:09 < rockeye> Aurora's world 22:09 < Faceless> ah 22:09 < rockeye> yay, brains 22:09 * rockeye is afk 22:09 < Faceless> I wonder what they say about putting treasure chests inside treasure chests in terraria 22:10 * Sonata tries to backronym kinky space wedgies... Bosonic Dimensional Spatial Manifold? 22:10 < Andygal> I have no idea what that thing would even be. 22:11 <@Sonata> it's mostly technobabble for "negative space wedgie" 22:12 < Faceless> I wonder how difficult it is to use a D&D summon outsider spell to get laid 22:12 < Teceler> well, how much critera can those take? 22:13 < Faceless> I think some can summon angel/demon class of beings to perform tasks? 22:13 < rockeye> I recall 'demonic booty call' as one of demon cam's activities 22:13 * rockeye resumes being fake afk 22:13 < Faceless> exactly! 22:14 < Faceless> I think planar ally works similar to daevinity summon? 22:16 < Faceless> ... 22:17 < Faceless> I thought about the obvious kinky use of Animate Object 22:17 < Faceless> >.> 22:17 < rockeye> Ari talked about blank bodies once 22:17 < rockeye> ectoplasm that lasts ~1hr 22:17 < rockeye> and does what you expect it to do 22:19 < Faceless> made of ectoplasm and shaped like you want to 22:19 < Andygal> Ugh. Basement dwellers. 22:20 < Faceless> yeah, like I don't think they ought to work like that, but I am glad that Alicorn made like so 22:21 < rockeye> If I was a demon I'd have a live-scale remote controlled recreation of the armored and airborne parts of the second battle of El Alamein 22:21 < rockeye> or some similar thing 22:21 < Faceless> that... is specific 22:21 < rockeye> or, you know, other historical military things 22:22 < rockeye> when there's no people getting hurt, virtual or otherwise. 22:22 < Andygal> That seems somewhat technically challenging. 22:23 < Faceless> you mean a historial reenacting? 22:23 < rockeye> not necessarily accurate 22:23 < rockeye> but I would definitely have remote controlled military hardwares shooting at each other 22:26 <@Sonata> pew pew! 22:27 < Faceless> xD 22:27 <@Sonata> it says something about human nature that, given a cyberspace in which we can create any kind of world, we very often choose 'capture-the-flag with grenade launchers' 22:27 < Teceler> pft 22:27 < Faceless> I am not entirely sure what to do with my daevahood, except maybe "a lot of art" 22:27 < Faceless> Sonata, that sounds like a fun hell-game 22:31 <@Sonata> pervy Animate Object: https://www.fimfiction.net/story/44054/ 22:34 < Faceless> Am I going to regret clicking this link? 22:34 < Faceless> likely 22:34 < Faceless> still going to do it 22:34 < rockeye> oh god, MLP? 22:34 < rockeye> seriously? 22:35 < Faceless> rockeye, yes seriously, sweet summer child 22:35 -!- rockeye has quit 22:35 < Faceless> and I just read the description and closed the link 22:35 < Faceless> :/ 22:42 -!- rockeye has joined #backstage 22:42 < rockeye> before I forget: see google.com/starwars 22:42 -!- rockeye has quit 22:42 < Andygal> Welp. 22:44 < Faceless> ? 22:50 -!- Sonata has quit 23:04 < Faceless> good night o/ 23:06 -!- Faceless has quit --- Day changed Fri Dec 04 2015 00:36 -!- rockeye has joined #backstage 00:41 -!- Mori has joined #backstage 00:41 < rockeye> Gren is really... Casual. 00:41 < rockeye> I love discovering things about characters 00:42 < rockeye> instead of putting them in 01:03 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 01:06 < Mori> Hey 01:07 < rockeye> hey? 01:07 < rockeye> oh, hi mtc 01:08 < Mori> Hey rockeye also :) 01:12 < Andygal> Hi Mori 01:13 < Mori> Hi! 01:40 -!- Mori has quit 01:57 < rockeye> Mori you're sapphire right? 01:57 < rockeye> oh she's gone 01:57 < rockeye> well, if you get chat logs, tag when you return? 02:08 * rockeye should probably have been asleep hours ago... 02:08 -!- rockeye has quit 02:09 * Teceler glances at clock, winces 02:09 * Teceler should probably go sleep soon, too 02:37 < Andygal> ....yeah me too. 02:42 < Teceler> dear brain 02:42 < Teceler> we were going to go to sleep what happened to that 02:42 < Teceler> um 02:42 < Teceler> good night all 02:42 < Teceler> sleep well Andygal 02:51 < Andygal> goodnight.
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Post by Mother Starlight on Dec 5, 2015 17:15:42 GMT
06:14 -!- Andygal has quit 06:31 -!- Adelene has quit 07:22 -!- Adelene has joined #backstage 07:22 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Adelene] by ChanServ 11:27 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 11:27 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 12:10 -!- rockeye has joined #backstage 12:11 < rockeye> hi 12:11 < Teceler> hello 12:11 <@Sonata> hello 12:37 < rockeye> I am Annoyed at my college 12:38 < rockeye> we were -utterly convinced- I needed exactly two more courses to graduate, but no, four 12:38 <@Sonata> argh 12:38 < rockeye> why did this not get caught when we talked about it last summer? 12:38 < rockeye> I mean srs 12:38 <@Sonata> Life lesson: never believe anything unless you get it in writing. 12:38 < Teceler> because apparantly they fail at information 12:57 * rockeye sigh 14:50 < rockeye> god, college is expensive 15:13 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 15:13 < Faceless> hi 15:26 -!- MTC has quit 15:33 -!- Sonata has quit 15:49 * rockeye is glad his phone is waterproof 16:10 < Faceless> it is too late to ask why? 16:10 < rockeye> I was making a food 16:10 < rockeye> it got dropped in ingredients and then the ground 16:10 < rockeye> and my dog ran off with it 16:10 < Faceless> ... 16:10 < rockeye> ... indeed 16:10 < Teceler> well 16:10 < Faceless> I sympatheze, but that is very sitcom-ish hilarious xD 16:11 < Teceler> waterproofingw ould be useful in that case, yes 16:11 < rockeye> a bit yesa 16:29 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 16:29 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 16:31 < Faceless> hi Sonata o/ 16:32 <@Sonata> hi 16:32 < rockeye> yay, distractions from studying 16:33 < Faceless> o.o? 16:33 < rockeye> I should be studying things. But that's really really boring. 16:34 < Faceless> question: besides Botanical do we have other biopunk-related stuff in the forum? 16:34 <@Sonata> Test Bed 16:37 < Faceless> ok 16:38 < Faceless> I dont quite remember the specifics of test bed world, except for some notion that it got squicky? 16:38 < rockeye> magic power is generated by orgasms 16:39 < rockeye> and erovores can make biotech things 16:39 < rockeye> that's about all I remember about it 17:16 <@Sonata> erovore-designed biotech is grown in human wombs 17:18 < Faceless> ah, I knew I was missing something... unsavory 17:18 < Faceless> o.o 17:18 < Faceless> it gets out... normally? 17:20 <@Adelene> Variations on, anyway. 17:24 < Faceless> ok, the factor that is spooking the most... it usually doesn't grow too much and/or finishes it growth outside? 17:24 <@Sonata> yeah 17:25 <@Sonata> we're not dealing with anatomically improbable stretchiness 17:30 < Faceless> ah, ok 17:32 < Faceless> couldn't rule it out 17:50 < Faceless> people mentioned "Fleeing 2: The Flee-ening" in the squee thread. Can anyone explain the context? 17:55 <@Sonata> in "greeting cards" 18:00 < Faceless> thanks 18:11 -!- Sonata has quit 19:02 < rockeye> bluh 19:03 < rockeye> Evenstar's been missing all week huh 19:03 < rockeye> OTC thread is accumulating a lot of old requests 19:04 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 19:04 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 19:19 < rockeye> Hey sonata 19:19 < rockeye> do you know where Evenstar went? 19:19 <@Sonata> hi 19:19 < Teceler> Evenstar's been doing that recently 19:20 < Teceler> iirc she's busy 19:20 * Teceler goes to poke at logs. 19:20 < Teceler> busy, yes. university 19:21 <@Sonata> I don't 19:23 < Faceless> yeah, remember her mentioning something along those lines too. 20:02 -!- Mori has joined #backstage 20:08 < Faceless> hi mori 20:08 < rockeye> w 20:08 < rockeye> oops 20:08 < rockeye> ignore that 20:08 < Mori> hey people; hi Faceless 20:08 < Faceless> ^^ 20:10 < Faceless> What happened to Sapphire? 20:10 < Mori> She is off being Peevish because her worldview was shaken. She'll be back. 20:11 < Faceless> It happens with the best of us 20:11 < Mori> Relatedly, I'm having trouble getting Silver's voice to be sufficiently distinct. I think I need to rewatch some episodes where he appears. 20:11 < Faceless> just the winking helps him being different 20:12 < rockeye> what show are elements from? 20:12 < rockeye> And he seems much mm friendlier to me 20:13 < Faceless> Sapphire and Steel 20:13 < Faceless> it is a old british show 20:16 < rockeye> ping on MWF by SPQR if anyone is interested 20:17 < Faceless> what kind of firepower are we talking about here, rockeye? 20:17 < rockeye> on who? the witches or the neuroi? 20:18 < Teceler> ...freefall is having opinions 20:19 < Teceler> I'm... not entirely clear on what they /are/ 20:19 < Faceless> neuroi 20:19 < Teceler> but there are definitely opinions happening there 20:19 < rockeye> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpkS3fP6DZI 20:21 < Faceless> what is they goal? 20:21 < rockeye> unclear 20:21 < Teceler> you haven't decided, ooc? 20:22 < Teceler> or you don't want to say? 20:23 < Teceler> ...hm, is there anything on the forum suggesting the scale of disaster that Venice being destroyed is? 20:23 < rockeye> In canon, it's unclear but somewhat implied that they want to use Earth's resources without interference from the pesky humans shooting at it before realizing that hey maybe humans are people. In headcanon, they want to propel humans to higher reaches by pushing them to the limits of desperation but not beyond. 20:24 < rockeye> Well, it's the name of a place and might be a city or something, is that enough? 20:24 < Faceless> Well, a lot of forum people should know about Venice 20:24 < Teceler> as far as freefall goes? not really, unless there's more translation being helpful there 20:24 < rockeye> I'll edit it to say the city of Venice 20:25 < rockeye> done 20:25 < Teceler> I mean, Freefall's probably going to ask--okay 20:25 * Teceler pokes Freefall about whether/to what extent they have a concept of 'city' 20:26 < Faceless> Sonata, do you have any characters that have interdimensional travel? 20:26 < rockeye> who's freefall 20:26 < Teceler> Freefall's my new character 20:27 <@Sonata> Ahrotahn has limited interdimensional travel 20:27 -!- Mori has quit 20:27 < Teceler> whose background I have not oocly detailed very much yet 20:27 <@Sonata> QDS used to sell Gate and Plane Shift but are currently kidnapped 20:27 < Teceler> (I know at least some of it, but) 20:27 -!- Mori has joined #backstage 20:27 < Mori> sorry for disappearance, dinner 20:27 < Teceler> is mibbit being mibbit? 20:27 < Teceler> ah 20:27 <@Sonata> MS may be able to help with interdimensional egocasting 20:28 < rockeye> SPQR can send a teleported with an adequately defined Place 20:28 < rockeye> teleporter* 20:28 < Faceless> I was thinking it is a really bad... plot-detriment that there isn't some more available methods of interdimensional travel. 20:28 < Mori> (Faceless, rockeye, thanks for feedback on Silver -- that's actually really helpful) 20:29 < Faceless> rockeye, oooh that could work for now 20:29 < Faceless> Mori, you are welcome :D 20:29 < Teceler> I think I decided that Gate can't get to where Freefall is, unless I decide to put them somewhere else than where I was planning / later in my headcanon re: their timeline 20:29 <@Sonata> I think it's actually really good for plots 20:29 <@Sonata> interdimensional travel can be either available or not as the plot requires 20:31 < Teceler> (They're more likely to help with this and more able to get there if I put them after the thing where they get into the habit of helping people. ...otoh I bet that teleporter isn't subtle) 20:32 < Faceless> Sonata, I didn't mean it should be always available, only more so. 20:32 <@Sonata> aha 20:33 < Teceler> (also they'll have less fun toys to play with unless there is a raid on somewhere else included. +their thing doesn't /scale/ terribly well. and you would want a ... different person ... for killing Neuroi, though they're not entirely unsuited) 20:34 < Teceler> (and I am rambling) 20:34 < Faceless> can't Vastra just nuke the neuroi out of existence? 20:34 < Teceler> ...mm, I think sufficently powerful things can resist, or something? 20:35 < rockeye> Nukes will not work on the Grand Hive Core 20:35 < Teceler> which the Neuroi can qualify if rockeye wants 20:35 < Teceler> assuming you mean Astra 20:35 < rockeye> Astra can destroy Neuroi spawn but not the core, unless she's present in the world 20:36 < Faceless> yeah 20:36 < Teceler> Astra has casual interworld transport 20:36 < Teceler> well, 'casual' isn't quite the right word? but 20:36 < Faceless> can she be... made noncasual? 20:37 < rockeye> I don't want to bend canon too much... But Astra seems enemy-plot-breaking. 20:37 < Teceler> yeah 20:37 < rockeye> The core is more than just Clarke's Laws-powerful though, it has metaphysical force 20:37 < Teceler> I would have to dig up the conversation about this re: other subjects 20:38 < Teceler> that I vaguely remember 20:38 <@Sonata> The obvious nerfs are that (1) she doesn't /like/ incarnating, and (2) people would be reasonable to not totally trust her to only delete the things they actually want deleted 20:38 < rockeye> yeah 20:38 <@Sonata> so she's kind of Godzilla-Threshold-y 20:38 <@Sonata> and of course her powers hasten the end of the universe 20:38 < rockeye> Also, Neuroi are technically people... Well, person. 20:39 < rockeye> So ideal solution involves negotiation 20:39 < Faceless> how you would even negotiate? 20:39 < rockeye> you' 20:39 < rockeye> you'd need to be able to communicate 20:39 < rockeye> and it doesn't understand the concept of language 20:39 < rockeye> yeah, tricky 20:39 < Teceler> um 20:40 < rockeye> ? 20:40 < Teceler> as Freefall would like to point out, communication does not require /language/, strictly 20:41 < rockeye> yeah but also the Neuroi kinda considers itself above or at least orthagonal to humans? It would have to have lost before it will negotiate. 20:42 < rockeye> The neuroi's state of mind is something like 'this is for your own good, your species will be better for it' 20:42 < rockeye> because it sees continuity of species on the same level as continuity of individual 20:42 < Teceler> ...oh, Freefall is going to have /very strong opinions/ about that 20:43 * rockeye will be back in ~hour 20:48 < Faceless> Sonata, Ahrotahn is only to the books right? 20:49 <@Sonata> right 20:50 <@Sonata> it may be possible to write Linking Books to /some/ worlds outside her cluster, but the default is not 20:50 < Faceless> ok 20:53 < Faceless> Lurker and the Vor-contigent all have interdimensional travel, right? 20:56 <@Sonata> yeah 20:57 < Faceless> okay, just making a list, I think Eva's Isabella and Yvette too, can't remember anyone 21:08 < Teceler> they both have Gate, yes 21:14 < Teceler> hm 21:17 < Teceler> Freefall is currently hesistating over either the likelyhood of trading their current... mm, problematic situation for another one (or getting someone else stuck in it) or the interworld transport getting noticed resulting in [bad things]. If I knew /which/ I might be able to write something 21:17 < Teceler> They're definitely o_O at the scale, though 21:23 -!- Mori has quit 21:23 < Teceler> hmmmm 21:24 -!- Mori has joined #backstage 21:34 < Faceless> Teceler, I don't think you revealed much 21:35 < Teceler> hm? 21:35 * rockeye is back 21:35 < Teceler> wb 21:36 < Faceless> wibbles 21:36 < Faceless> Teceler, I don't remember you talking about freefall's setting 21:37 < Teceler> I talked about how I am not talking about it I think? :P 21:38 < rockeye> For some reason I reminded myself of Edge of Tomorrow 21:38 < rockeye> timelooping schenannigans give me a headache... 21:39 < Teceler> ... 21:39 < rockeye> Your ... s seem vaguely judgmental Tec am I wrong about tihs? 21:39 < Teceler> they are not 21:40 < Teceler> I was wondering what resulted in that 21:40 < Teceler> and also what that book/movie/show/whatever was but I can ask google about that XD 21:42 < rockeye> time looping aliens are destroying humanity easily by fake timelooping precognition until guy gets same timeloop power via plot device 21:42 < rockeye> that much probably isn't spoilers 21:42 < Teceler> ...ah 21:43 < Teceler> (also, I irc-pmed you a little bit back and I'm not sure you saw it?) 21:45 -!- Faceless has quit 21:48 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 21:48 < Faceless> what did I miss? 21:48 < rockeye> nothing 22:00 < Faceless> ok 22:01 < Faceless> So, I am unsure how the core can even be dealt with? 22:02 < rockeye> Canon is big magic-and-life sacrifice 22:03 < rockeye> Nuke wouldn't do it. Endbringer would. Clarktech could, depending. 22:03 < Faceless> clarktech? 22:03 < rockeye> Clarke's laws 22:04 < rockeye> any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic 22:08 < Faceless> huh... okay, so what about a epic-level artifact? 22:08 < Teceler> define 'artifact' for this purpose? 22:08 * Faceless shrugs 22:09 < Faceless> I was actually thinking about the Gren x Temple sandbox when asked that question >.> 22:09 < Teceler> ah 22:09 < rockeye> something big enough to be a Big MacGuffin might do it and leave only 'getting close enough to apply the thing' 22:10 < rockeye> Hell, I think the Avatar State might even be able to do it. 22:10 < rockeye> But it definitely takes Special Power 22:11 < Faceless> Temple backstory includes him deciding to sacrifice his *currently* life to create an Artifact of Power that I haven't specified. I think that could generalize to have other volunters to be part of the sacrifice too.. 22:12 < rockeye> Such an Artifact Of Power would suffice if it was sufficiently weaponlike 22:14 < Faceless> Cool 22:18 -!- rockeye has quit 22:34 < Faceless> gotta go 22:34 < Faceless> o/ 22:35 -!- Faceless has quit 22:36 -!- rockeye has joined #backstage 22:51 * rockeye has a rough draft of the stupid research paper and doesn't really want to turn it into a not-rough draft... 22:57 < Mori> I am amusing myself with the fact that Silver thinks "ghost" is a technical term 23:04 -!- Sonata has quit 23:17 -!- stonetoe has joined #backstage 23:19 -!- rockeye has quit 23:37 -!- nars has joined #backstage 23:39 -!- stonetoe has quit 23:41 < nars> wtf why am I nars now 23:41 -!- nars is now known as rockeye 23:48 < rockeye> who's Branch? --- Day changed Sat Dec 05 2015 00:06 <@Adelene> Leaf's mother, run by Kappa. 00:09 < rockeye> well, ping branch 00:12 <@Adelene> Kappa's asleep. 00:20 -!- rockeye has quit 01:08 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 02:09 -!- Mori has quit 03:22 -!- Xom has quit
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Post by Mother Starlight on Dec 6, 2015 17:25:47 GMT
12:00 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 12:06 -!- rockeye has joined #backstage 12:14 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 12:14 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 12:31 < rockeye> yay, studying 12:47 < Andygal> Studying. 12:48 <@Adelene> yay. 13:06 < rockeye> I just have to keep telling myself. In a week, 6 days actually, it'll all be over... One way or the other. 13:09 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 13:24 < Faceless> hello? 13:28 < rockeye> hi 13:33 < Faceless> how many people are going to today's movie night? 13:45 * Teceler is trying to decide if anyone used/tried to use time anomalies as weapons in the Age of Dragons (Cassiel's world) 13:46 < Teceler> ...which, really, the question there is 'did anyone work out how to produce them deliberately and in a sufficently controlled manner (ie not massively damaging to the side using them after whatever precautions) 13:46 < Teceler> the lack of them that I can remember lying around probably points to 'no' 13:48 -!- Faceless has quit 13:48 < Teceler> (I"m pretty sure they /happened/, that is the kind of thing that correlates with reality being collateral damage) 14:58 -!- Xom has joined #backstage 15:58 -!- MTC has quit 16:17 -!- Teceler has quit 16:21 -!- Teceler has joined #backstage 16:33 * rockeye is So Bored 17:23 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 17:28 < rockeye> hi 17:40 < Faceless> hi 17:40 < Faceless> Sorry 17:40 < Faceless> went to eat pizza 17:40 < Faceless> which takes priority over everything else, as you know 17:40 < Andygal> pizza rulez. 17:44 < Faceless> 4ever 17:44 < Faceless> ^^ 17:47 <@Adelene> movie night! http://www.mycircle.tv/164-9288-600/ 17:50 < Faceless> the song "Towards the sun" still makes me want to see applied to glowfic somehow. I wish I had a better skill with faces so I could draw Angela rescuing Nathaniel 17:50 < rockeye> I've been listening to undertale OST over and over... 17:56 < Faceless> I am not all that familiar, but heard good things about it 21:06 < Faceless> I wonder if it is a bad thing or a good thing that I see Miles as possible protagonists of today's movies on the grounds of "Only a miles can get in this kind of troublem" 21:06 < Teceler> pft 21:06 <@Adelene> *snicker* 21:06 <@Adelene> I kinda feel like a Miles would /overshoot/ getting in the latter sort of problem, though. ^^ 21:07 < Faceless> xD 21:08 < Faceless> I don't even wanna what a Miles would do with a spaceship at his disposal 21:08 < Faceless> (I mean, alien spaceship) 21:08 <@Adelene> :D 21:15 < Faceless> ^^ 21:16 <@Adelene> (8:09:32 PM) Kappa: XDDDDD 21:16 <@Adelene> (8:09:36 PM) Kappa: what would a miles overshoot? 21:16 <@Adelene> (8:10:08 PM) Adelene: The movie in question is Flight of the Navigator, which I can give a synopsis of if you're not familiar but it'll take a minute. 21:16 <@Adelene> (8:10:25 PM) Kappa: i'll google it 21:16 <@Adelene> (8:13:24 PM) Adelene: [synopsis] 21:16 <@Adelene> (8:13:51 PM) Kappa: XDDDDDDD 21:16 <@Adelene> (8:13:56 PM) Adelene: That's, uh. 21:16 <@Adelene> (8:14:02 PM) Adelene: Not what would happen given a Miles. ^^ 21:16 <@Adelene> (8:14:11 PM) Kappa: Yeah that seems like... yeah XD 21:16 <@Adelene> (8:14:18 PM) Adelene: Dunno what /would/, but it wouldn't be that. ^^ 21:16 <@Adelene> (8:15:21 PM) Adelene: I feel like NASA would come out quite a bit worse, for one thing. ^^ 21:16 <@Adelene> (8:15:27 PM) Kappa: snrk 21:16 <@Adelene> (8:16:02 PM) Kappa: yeah, kidnapping and confining a Miles is just not a wise course of action, generally speaking 21:16 <@Adelene> (8:16:08 PM) Adelene: <3 21:16 <@Adelene> (8:16:15 PM) Kappa: <3 21:18 < Faceless> <3 21:21 <@Sonata> ... 21:21 <@Sonata> Miles. At Battle School. 21:21 < Faceless> So much love for our fire-inducing puppy 21:21 < Faceless> Sonata o.o 21:21 <@Adelene> *snrrrrk* 21:21 < Faceless> my brain is giving error messages 21:22 <@Adelene> .(8:22:06 PM) Kappa: ... shiiiiit :D :D :D 21:22 < Faceless> Adelene, tell kappa the following message without additions: yep 21:22 < Faceless> *please 21:23 <@Adelene> (done) 21:24 < Faceless> Like, it might sound like I am joking, but good lord. My mind doesn't want to compute the result, except on the vague terms of how messed up the battleschool teachers would be afterwards 21:24 <@Adelene> :D 21:24 <@Adelene> (8:24:19 PM) Kappa: XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD 21:26 < Andygal> Yeah, Miles would utterly fuck shit up. 21:26 <@Sonata> Actually... 21:27 <@Adelene> mmmm? 21:27 < Faceless> ? 21:27 <@Sonata> Consider /Ivan/ at Battle School, with Miles on Earth playing Demosthenes/Locke. 21:27 <@Adelene> *snicker* 21:27 < Faceless> I am not familiar enough with the source material, context? 21:27 * Teceler predicts Ivan being unhappy about this. 21:27 <@Sonata> Superbloggers manipulating global politics. 21:27 < Faceless> ah, ok. 21:28 < Faceless> I still fill that due to ivan being there, Miles would leave a "there are no survivors" situation 21:28 <@Adelene> (8:28:11 PM) Kappa: dfsdkjfh XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD 21:29 <@Sonata> Except instead of 'no survivors', more like 'befriend the buggers and steal the International Fleet' 21:30 < Faceless> yeah, I meant career-wise survival xD 21:30 < Andygal> No no, imagine a Libby playing Demosthenes. 21:30 < Faceless> also ivan at battle school is making me sad :( 21:31 -!- kappabeta has joined #backstage 21:31 -!- mode/#backstage [+o kappabeta] by ChanServ 21:32 <@kappabeta> i have been enticed 21:32 <@Adelene> <3 21:32 < rockeye> If Gren got treated like Ender she'd probably explode at them and end up back on Earth 21:32 < Andygal> <3 21:32 <@kappabeta> hah 21:32 <@kappabeta> Seriously though, I SO want to see a Miles at Battle School. 21:32 <@kappabeta> Possibly with a Mark and an Aaron along for the ride. 21:33 < Teceler> Aaron? 21:33 <@kappabeta> third triplet when they are triplets 21:33 < Teceler> ah 21:33 * Teceler nods. 21:33 <@kappabeta> Except they might be disqualified on grounds of disability, but I could give them a disability that let them punch other children without getting maimed 21:34 <@kappabeta> in completely unrelated news, does anyone have a poem to suggest that Miles read in Emotionally Intense Teenagers 21:35 < Faceless> they all alwayys get the disability? 21:35 <@kappabeta> Usually. 21:35 <@kappabeta> Because it usually happens when Miles is a fetus, and they're triplets. 21:35 <@kappabeta> So there would have to be an awfully selective disaster for the other two to escape unscathed. 21:35 < Faceless> ah, yes, that is hard to explain away 21:36 < Andygal> Some form of mild cerebral palsy? 21:37 <@kappabeta> i don't know enough about the thing to know if it suits 21:37 < Faceless> would this world have mutants too? 21:38 <@Adelene> My impression is that there are multiple causes for CP, but it could certainly get just one of them for some types. Being tripplets would even make it more likely. 21:38 <@Adelene> That'd be an 'at birth' thing rather than a 'before birth' thing, but I think that's good enough? 21:42 <@Adelene> (CP is brain damage affecting the parts of the brain that control someone's muscles, basically; there are different types and I don't know a /ton/ about them but it comes in a range of severities from 'can go completely undiagnosed' to 'functionally quadriplegic' and does sometimes come with physical deformation on account of the affected muscles pulling on the bones in weird ways as the person grows.) 21:43 <@kappabeta> the full set of characteristics for a proper Miles disability is: Caused by some harm that befalls the Miles's mother while she is pregnant with him as a result of external hostile action. Involves significant amounts of pain. Lasts at least through Miles's entire childhood and, where applicable, causes him to be short. 21:43 <@Adelene> (Also, it's caused by oxygen deprivation; a difficult birth can cause it.) 21:44 <@kappabeta> aha 21:44 <@Adelene> Something that made her go into premature labor could cause it; I think that'd affect all three but it wouldn't necessarily (or even probably) affect them to the same degree. Pain is a thing; shortness not so much but maybe there's some variant that does that that I don't know about. 21:45 < Andygal> I was thinking if the Miles was the lastborn after a hard labour that would do it. 21:45 < Faceless> original canon was a drug/venon thing? 21:45 < Teceler> actually the antidote for a poison 21:49 -!- Teceler has quit 21:50 <@Sonata> Does the poetry have to be Shakespeare? Because I could see Miles going for some Milton. Or maybe one of the Romantics. 21:50 <@kappabeta> It does not have to be Shakespeare. 21:51 <@kappabeta> Miles wants it to be something he can put some feeling into, so good themes are loneliness, homesickness, depression, disability, anything else you expect him to have feelings about 21:51 <@Sonata> "Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven" could be a way to mess with any Betans who know his secret identity 21:51 <@kappabeta> XDDDDDDDDD oh my god 21:51 <@kappabeta> where is the there of that 21:51 <@Adelene> *snrrrrrrk* 21:51 <@Sonata> it's from Paradise Lost, spoken by Lucifer 21:52 < Andygal> XDXDXD 21:52 < rockeye> the poem that sprung to my mind was more Doom than loneliness and disabilitym srys 21:52 -!- rockeye has quit 21:52 < Andygal> Ok then. 22:06 -!- Teceler has joined #backstage 22:06 < Teceler> ...did I miss anything? 22:06 < Andygal> [18:50] <@Sonata> Does the poetry have to be Shakespeare? Because I could see Miles going for some Milton. Or maybe one of the Romantics. 22:06 < Andygal> [18:50] <@kappabeta> It does not have to be Shakespeare. 22:06 < Andygal> [18:51] <@kappabeta> Miles wants it to be something he can put some feeling into, so good themes are loneliness, homesickness, depression, disability, anything else you expect him to have feelings about 22:06 < Andygal> [18:51] <@Sonata> "Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven" could be a way to mess with any Betans who know his secret identity 22:06 < Andygal> [18:51] <@kappabeta> XDDDDDDDDD oh my god 22:06 < Andygal> [18:51] <@kappabeta> where is the there of that 22:06 < Andygal> [18:51] <@Adelene> *snrrrrrrk* 22:06 < Andygal> [18:51] <@Sonata> it's from Paradise Lost, spoken by Lucifer 22:06 < Andygal> [18:52] <Andygal> XDXDXD 22:06 < Andygal> [18:52] <rockeye> the poem that sprung to my mind was more Doom than loneliness and disabilitym srys 22:07 < Teceler> ...okay the last thing I have does not involve poetry 22:08 <@kappabeta> last before you left the room was (9:46:10 PM) Teceler: actually the antidote for a poison 22:08 < Teceler> huh 22:08 < Teceler> oh the poetry was earlier 22:08 < Teceler> okay 22:08 <@Adelene> pasted 22:08 < Teceler> thanks 22:10 <@Sonata> https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Infant_Sorrow_%28Songs_of_Experience%29 22:11 <@Sonata> (@kappabeta) 22:12 <@kappabeta> haha 22:12 <@kappabeta> nice one 22:12 <@kappabeta> i suspect he'd be laughing too hard to read it the way he wants to 22:13 <@Sonata> https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Sonnet_132_%28Shakespeare%29 22:14 <@kappabeta> hmmmmmmmm 22:15 <@Sonata> https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Sonnet_140_%28Shakespeare%29 22:15 <@Sonata> (140 maybe not so much deeply heartfelt as annoyed at Betans) 22:21 -!- Faceless has quit 22:22 -!- Teceler has quit 22:23 -!- Adelene has quit 22:23 -!- Adelene has joined #backstage 22:23 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Adelene] by ChanServ 22:25 -!- Teceler has joined #backstage 22:28 -!- rockeye has joined #backstage 22:35 <@Sonata> https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Sonnet_90_%28Shakespeare%29 kappabeta 22:38 <@Sonata> I feel like there /should/ be Romantic poetry about Hephaestus 22:38 <@Sonata> but I can't find it 22:38 <@kappabeta> omg hephaestus 22:38 <@kappabeta> poetry with a strong meter about hephaestus: yes please 22:39 < Andygal> omg 22:40 <@Sonata> (He's even married to Liny^D^D^D^DAphrodite. 22:40 <@Sonata> ) 22:40 <@kappabeta> sdafsdfaasdfasdsdfssfg XD 22:41 < Teceler> pft 22:41 <@kappabeta> i mean emotionally intense teenage miles is notably _not_ married to linyaphrodite 22:41 <@kappabeta> but 22:41 <@kappabeta> XD 22:41 <@Sonata> yes 22:41 < Andygal> XDXD 22:41 <@Sonata> and linya is rather more sexually-faithful than aphrodite 22:42 < Andygal> Not saying much. 22:42 <@Sonata> true 22:42 <@Sonata> really all they have in common is shrennaki husbands, phenomenal cosmic power, and weapons-grade pretty 22:43 <@kappabeta> pfffffffffffffffffffffffffff 22:43 <@kappabeta> and on that happy note, i shall go to bed 22:43 <@kappabeta> goodnight friends 22:43 < Teceler> pfft 22:43 < Teceler> sleep well 22:43 <@Sonata> goodnight friend 22:43 -!- kappabeta has left #backstage 22:43 < Andygal> sonata, that belongs in the quotefile. Somebody quotefile that, quick. 23:07 * rockeye is finishing reading Worm, spoilers or no spoilers 23:13 <@Sonata> sometimes when i am excited i wag my feet 23:14 <@Sonata> said excitement is usually because of glowfic 23:14 < Andygal> XD 23:14 < Andygal> glowfic makes me very excited, also. 23:37 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 23:37 < Faceless> hi? 23:39 < rockeye> hi 23:39 < Andygal> Hi. 23:44 < Faceless> hi again 23:44 < Faceless> things are quiet here? 23:45 < Faceless> "really all they [Linya and Aphrodite] have in common is shrennaki husbands, phenomenal cosmic power, and weapons-grade pretty" o.o? 23:49 < rockeye> if you want weapons grade pretty it has to be that one Volturi witch, who was it agh 23:57 <@Sonata> Heidi 23:59 < Faceless> or we can go with those Jokers played-by that actor Shendil whatshisname --- Day changed Sun Dec 06 2015 00:25 < Faceless> good night o/ 00:25 < Teceler> sleep well 00:25 -!- Faceless has quit 00:25 -!- rockeye has quit 00:47 -!- Sonata has quit 01:03 -!- MTC has joined #backstage
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Post by Mother Starlight on Dec 7, 2015 15:21:53 GMT
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Post by Mother Starlight on Dec 8, 2015 15:14:24 GMT
10:34 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 10:34 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ --- Log closed Mon Dec 07 12:34:45 2015 --- Log opened Mon Dec 07 12:46:59 2015 12:46 -!- MotherStarlight has joined #backstage 12:46 -!- Irssi: #backstage: Total of 1 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 0 normal] 12:46 -!- ServerMode/#backstage [-o MotherStarlight] by psigenix.services 12:46 -!- ChanServ has joined #backstage 12:46 -!- ChanServ has left #backstage 12:46 -!- ChanServ changed the topic of #backstage to: MWF OOC -- MotherStarlight is logging -- Wiki: http://manyworlds.mwzip.com/ -- Open tags: https://etherpad.net/p/MWFOpenThreads -- Community radio: http://cytu.be/r/mwf-backstage https://etherpad.net/p/MWF_Channel_Voting 12:46 -!- mode/#backstage [+ntro MotherStarlight] by ChanServ 12:47 -!- Irssi: Join to #backstage was synced in 21 secs 12:47 -!- Demo has joined #backstage 12:47 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 12:47 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 12:47 -!- Teceler has joined #backstage 12:47 -!- Jarnvidr has joined #backstage 12:47 -!- ServerMode/#backstage [+ob Sonata Yadal!*@*] by deep13.psigenix.net 12:48 -!- Adelene has joined #backstage 12:48 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Adelene] by ChanServ 13:37 <@Sonata> Hi Demo 13:38 <@Sonata> long time no see 13:38 -!- mode/#backstage [+v MotherStarlight] by Sonata 13:38 -!- mode/#backstage [-o MotherStarlight] by Sonata 14:06 -!- rockeye has joined #backstage 14:07 * rockeye should really be studying for his other final but kinda feels like a break after just taking one... 14:20 < Demo> hi sonata i guess i got disconnected while i was asleep 14:20 < Demo> and so i fell back on my secondary name 14:20 < Demo> (i'm xom) 14:21 <@Sonata> oh 14:21 <@Sonata> I have trouble keeping track of that sort of thing 14:22 < Demo> that's part of why i've been xom more often than demo 14:22 < Demo> the other part is laziness 15:27 < Demo> i'm taking an online survey and it's about fashion and i'm deeply concerned that the poor company sponsoring the survey is going to be terribly confused by my opinions 15:27 < Demo> i mean, i'm still going to finish the survey since it's in my own selfish interest but 15:28 < Demo> oh also 15:28 -!- Demo is now known as Xom 15:31 < Xom> "please tell us all the brands of [type of clothing] you know about" 15:32 < Xom> "brands? what? i thought brands were only on weapons?" 15:32 < Xom> (actual answer was "can't think of any") 15:32 <@Sonata> Dexterity, cold resistance, haste... 15:32 < Teceler> pft 15:33 < Xom> those are called something else, not brands, is the point 15:33 < Xom> enchantments? 15:34 < Xom> the fact of the matter is that i am the least fashionable man in the world 15:34 < Xom> (assuming one counts anti-fashion as fashion) 15:40 < Xom> "Imagine a casual fashion brand that is ideal for you. Please answer with all of the following that apply to your ideal brand." 15:41 < Xom> first option is "I like it" 15:41 < Xom> well 15:41 < Xom> at least there's one question i can answer correctly 15:41 < rockeye> They probably apply the same set of questions to all the 'brands' even 'your ideal' 15:42 < Xom> yeah they did 15:43 < Xom> also i'm going to check both 'feminine' and 'manly' here 15:51 < rockeye> they usually study aggregate data 15:51 < rockeye> you'll probably be ignored as an outlier 15:51 < Xom> true 15:51 < Xom> that and there are probably many people who tie with me for least fashionable man in the world 15:52 < Xom> so we're a known category 15:53 < Xom> still, it's like "this survey is about fashion? uhhhh well thanksforthemoneybye" 15:56 < Xom> actually, thinking about it, i guess it is worth something to them to know exactly how many people don't really care about fashion 15:56 < Xom> that is a fact they can obtain 15:57 < Xom> maybe one day there will be a brand of clothing marketed towards people who don't care about clothing 15:58 < Xom> (i have relatively high confidence this will never happen) 15:59 <@Adelene> I'm near-100% sure it's more proffitable for them to keep trying to convince everybody that they're obligated to care. 15:59 -!- MTC has quit 15:59 <@Adelene> Because people who do are so much more profitable to sell to that losing some of them isn't worth picking up the extra demographic. 16:00 < Teceler> ugh 16:00 <@Adelene> yup 16:00 <@Adelene> corporations: not your friend. 16:00 < Teceler> that's not surprising, just, ugh 16:01 <@Adelene> (There's actually probably something really interesting to be said about brand loyalty as emotional labor, but I don't have enough bits of it.) 16:05 <@Adelene> I'm not sure 'brand loyalty' is the right term there, actually. I don't mean the thing where you're in a store and you grab a branded thing because it's what you're familiar with. I mean the thing of having actual opinions about brands. 16:06 <@Sonata> the kind of /loyalty/ seen in e.g. Mac fans 16:06 <@Adelene> yes, that. 16:09 <@Adelene> ok, I was going to go to the library, let me go see if I have clean pants. 16:10 < Xom> do you have fashionable pants 16:10 <@Adelene> nope ^^ 16:11 * Adelene actually has a pretty distinctive look, but their wardrobe is mostly made up of pretty nondescript things. 16:11 <@Sonata> Any pants can be fashionable if you wear them right. 16:12 <@Adelene> heh. 16:12 <@Adelene> In my case it's the exceptions to the 'mostly' that do the thing. 16:12 < Xom> actually i'm pretty sure i'm wearing fashionable pants right now 16:12 < Xom> because jeans are jeans 16:13 <@Adelene> *nod* 16:13 <@Adelene> I actually don't own any jeans. 16:13 <@Adelene> Jean-style courdoroy pants, a few pairs, but nothing in denim. 16:19 <@Adelene> (A standard Ade outfit is pants or a long skirt in black or brown or dark blue, t-shirt or similar in a dark color, brown leather vest, brown newsboy cap, brown leather boots, optional thing-in-a-glass-jar necklace or two.) 16:20 <@Adelene> ...that's the wrong word for the thing. it's a cabbie cap. 16:20 < Xom> see you're color coordinated that's already more fashionable than me 16:20 <@Adelene> heh. 16:21 <@Adelene> Black and brown are technically not colors you're supposed to wear together but I think they look good. ^^ 16:21 <@Sonata> '"'"'supposed to'"'"' 16:21 <@Adelene> indeed. 16:22 <@Adelene> It does work better if it's black pants/skirt and a black shirt, instead of only one of those being. Brown pants and black shirt seems to work okay too though. 16:22 < Xom> wow i only just now noticed i'm wearing an american eagle outfitters sweater and that's one of the brands the survey was asking about 16:23 < Xom> you'd think i would have noticed sooner, what with the brand patch on my left sleeve and all 16:23 <@Adelene> heh. 16:37 <@Adelene> All right, off to the library I go. 16:37 -!- Adelene has quit 16:42 * rockeye is wearing something orange 16:46 -!- Sonata has quit 17:06 -!- Adelene has joined #backstage 17:06 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Adelene] by ChanServ 17:27 -!- Adelene has quit 17:31 -!- rockeye has quit 17:53 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 17:53 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 18:53 -!- Adelene has joined #backstage 18:53 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Adelene] by ChanServ 19:27 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 19:27 < Faceless> hi 19:31 <@Sonata> hi 19:32 -!- Jarnvidr has quit 19:34 < Faceless> hi, sonata, how are you? 19:35 <@Sonata> am ok 19:42 -!- rockeye has joined #backstage 19:55 < Faceless> hi rockeye 20:02 < rockeye> hi 20:12 < Faceless> are you planning anything interesting with SPQR? 20:12 < rockeye> not really 20:15 -!- Jarnvidr has joined #backstage 20:21 -!- Mori has joined #backstage 20:43 * rockeye made a list of gren's permanent powers 20:44 < Faceless> how long it is? 20:45 < rockeye> not all that long 20:45 < rockeye> i keep adding to it probably 20:45 < Faceless> pm it? 20:50 -!- Mori has quit 20:53 -!- stonetoe has joined #backstage 20:55 -!- rockeye has quit 20:58 < stonetoe> man why does hexchat keep DCing me 20:59 <@Sonata> :shrug: ~it is a mystery~ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 20:59 < Faceless> Internet Gremlins, they mess with your computer. 20:59 < Teceler> is your internet connection stable? 21:01 < stonetoe> who wanted a PM of my list? 21:01 < Faceless> o/ 21:02 < stonetoe> finishing it hold on 21:03 < stonetoe> Flying (above average) 21:03 < stonetoe> Shields (above average) 21:03 < stonetoe> Blasts 21:03 < stonetoe> Elemental manipulation 21:03 < stonetoe> Listening for life force 21:03 < stonetoe> Nearby target tracking 21:03 < stonetoe> Comms network 21:03 < stonetoe> Chain lightning attacks 21:03 < stonetoe> Can manifest a crystalline pierce-most spear 21:03 < stonetoe> Can teleport self, small objects to familiar locations 21:03 < stonetoe> Greatly enhanced long-distance and peripheral vision. Can see through most materials, weather 21:03 < stonetoe> Charge projectiles to enhance accuracy and power, even causing projectiles to curve 21:03 < stonetoe> Can temporarily turn herself, other things invisible 21:03 < stonetoe> Telekinesis, various kinds 21:03 < stonetoe> Immobilizing people (field where motion is impossible) 21:03 < stonetoe> Powerful voice - loud and attention-getting 21:03 < stonetoe> Crude empathy 21:03 < stonetoe> Light, hardlight 21:03 < stonetoe> In Aurum: 21:03 < stonetoe> Alec 21:03 < stonetoe> Maggie 21:03 < stonetoe> Dwi 21:03 < stonetoe> Jasper 21:03 < stonetoe> Renata 21:03 < stonetoe> Benjamin 21:03 < stonetoe> In Worm: 21:03 < stonetoe> Grue (slightly) 21:03 < stonetoe> Vista (space manipulation) 21:03 < stonetoe> Browbeat (short range self telekinesis) 21:04 < stonetoe> Skitter (slightly) 21:04 < stonetoe> Has great difficulty copying tinkerness 21:05 < stonetoe> oops 21:05 < stonetoe> did I put it here 21:05 < stonetoe> yeah I did 21:05 < Faceless> yup you did 21:06 < Faceless> that list makes me considerable less self-conscious about Temple's possible spell-list 21:06 < stonetoe> note to self: /query does not like newline characters 21:06 < stonetoe> wait until the pm is established to paste text containing them 21:07 < Faceless> query? 21:07 < stonetoe> ./query is the command I use to initiate PM 21:47 -!- Andygal has joined #backstage 21:48 -!- Andyga1 has joined #backstage 21:48 -!- Andyga1 has left #backstage 22:30 -!- stonetoe has quit 22:40 -!- Sonata has quit 22:48 -!- Faceless has quit --- Day changed Tue Dec 08 2015 00:49 -!- rockeye has joined #backstage 00:49 < rockeye> anyone awake in here? 00:49 * Teceler is awake 00:51 < Teceler> why? 00:51 < rockeye> I should be asleep or studying but I am neither, I am tagging. 00:51 < rockeye> yay brain 00:51 < Teceler> ah 00:52 < Teceler> can you study between tags? 00:52 < rockeye> ya 00:52 < rockeye> well kinda 00:53 < Teceler> that might be slightly too intermittent/interrupted for optimal studying efficency, but it does come with built-in breaks 01:05 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 02:13 < rockeye> meh, I should sleeps 02:13 -!- rockeye has quit 02:13 < Teceler> sleep well? 02:13 < Teceler> oh too late
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Post by Mother Starlight on Dec 9, 2015 16:53:18 GMT
08:37 -!- Andygal has quit 09:50 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 09:50 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 12:23 -!- rockeye has joined #backstage 12:58 < rockeye> >.> 12:58 < Teceler> ? 12:59 < rockeye> oh, just thinking about the things I need to do by friday 12:59 < Teceler> ah 12:59 <@Sonata> ah yes, Deadlines 12:59 <@Sonata> everybody's least favorite part of the universe 12:59 < Teceler> good luck? 12:59 < rockeye> yup 13:00 < Teceler> ...there's a quote on the tip of my (metaphorical) tongue... 13:01 <@Sonata> 'I love deadlines. I particularly like the whooshing sound they make as they go by.' 13:01 < Teceler> 'I love deadlines. I love the whooshing noise they make as they go by.' (Douglas Adams) 13:01 < Teceler> pft 13:02 < rockeye> Nemo told me one that I like but idk the original source. 13:03 < rockeye> "I do all my best work in the 11th hour. If only because that's when I do all my work" 13:41 -!- rockeye has quit 13:59 -!- Teceler has quit 14:05 -!- Sonata has quit 14:09 -!- Teceler has joined #backstage 14:28 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 14:28 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 14:34 -!- Sonata has quit 15:10 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 15:11 < Faceless> hi? 15:49 -!- Faceless has quit 15:57 -!- MTC has quit 19:29 -!- Sonata has joined #backstage 19:29 -!- mode/#backstage [+o Sonata] by ChanServ 20:04 -!- Faceless has joined #backstage 20:05 * Faceless gently pokes chat 20:05 <@Sonata> hello 20:05 < Faceless> Sup! 20:05 <@Sonata> not much 20:05 <@Sonata> catching up on the blogs 20:05 < Faceless> which blogs? 20:06 <@Sonata> I started at SSC and am wandering the linkosphere 20:06 <@Sonata> aka the blagotubes 20:09 < Faceless> heh, blagotubes? 20:10 <@Sonata> there's an xkcd chart of terminology somewhere 20:10 <@Sonata> X-o-Y 20:12 <@Sonata> (inter- blago- blogo-) (-tubes -web -net -blog -blag) etc. 20:13 < Faceless> ah, sorry 20:13 <@Sonata> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 20:17 < Faceless> Does this actress http://www.hollow-art.com/base/cassi-thomson-switched-birth pass as a good female version of Franklyn's facecast? http://of-all-trades.dreamwidth.org/icons 20:31 <@Sonata> ooh 20:31 <@Sonata> yes, that's very good 20:32 < Faceless> ^_^ 20:32 < Faceless> incidently, I choose her because that her smiles makes her eye go "^ ^" 22:57 -!- Sonata has quit --- Day changed Wed Dec 09 2015 00:37 -!- Faceless has quit 01:03 -!- MTC has joined #backstage 03:52 -!- Teceler has quit
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