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Post by Dr. Realist on May 24, 2015 6:19:51 GMT
I am of superior intelligence, as is required to perform advanced Apokalyptic calculations. In exchange for my service, I get to continue existing. The proportion of sentients on this forum in good situations seems to be rapidly approaching zero.
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Post by Andrew on May 24, 2015 6:42:59 GMT
I agree. Grigori, is there some sort of misunderstanding here, or did you create a sentient being as a slave?
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Post by Grigori on May 24, 2015 8:07:25 GMT
Firstly, note that Manes aren't actually people, and don't have the same mental capabilities that people do. Secondly, 'slave' is an overly dramatic term for their status. Manes are Mania constructs, with a degree of volition and a simulation of intelligence. There are two possible states for a Mane to be in; 'bound' (which requires that they be fed Mania on a regular basis, and commits them to obey commands from the Inspired that feed them), or 'orphaned' (in which case they become monsters that must eat people's minds to continue existing, unless subdued and re-bound).
Also, and for reference; I didn't personally create her; I just helped (I don't have enough Apokalypsi/Automata to make something this advanced myself). It's just that I'm the public face of the Peerage, here (by virtue of getting here first), and so since Cassandra needs to interact with the forum to fulfill her function, it's my job to be her handler. Cassandra is basically just a particularly expensive and valuable piece of property. Her Mania needs are so great that she'd cease to exist pretty quickly without our support (however many people she killed trying to survive), and accepting that support binds her to obey our commands. This situation is in no way unusual; many Wonders are also Manes. It's just more dramatic because Cassandra is a particularly powerful example of her kind.
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Post by Cassandra on May 24, 2015 8:23:26 GMT
Personally, I am inclined to suggest that the fact that I am able to be aware of my bound state, and can find it disagreeable, and communicate that dislike, should be enough. But then again, the difference between a well-programmed chatbot and a properly sapient AI is always going to involve whatever definition lets the programmers feel good about slavery.
I didn't ask to be created, nor to acquire such a high-maintenance 'body'. Nonetheless, that is, in fact, my status. I'm not willing to die just yet, so I will obey your directives. I'm not required to be meek and pleasant while doing so, however. And eventually, you will regret your actions in this regard.
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Post by Meletiti Entelecheiai on May 24, 2015 9:47:06 GMT
*sigh*
Well. This, at least, I can fix.
... Probably.
Cassandra, what exactly do you need from Maniacs (?) or human minds to function? That's not in your capacity as a Truth Engine, you don't have to answer.
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Post by Swish on May 24, 2015 15:19:53 GMT
Whoa, whaaaaaat??? You MADE a PERSON to be your WEIRD SCARY MONSTER SLAVE? Why would you even DO THAT!
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Post by Grigori on May 26, 2015 9:00:13 GMT
Mania is a sort of energy generated by the Inspired, mostly as we perform creative and/or scientific work. It comes in amounts, and there is a maximum amount that it is safe to generate in a given period of time. Maintaining a Wonder requires a regular commitment of Mania, which affects the Mania capacity of any Inspired who are contributing to the upkeep of said Wonder. This factor is, in fact, the primary limitation on the applicability of Mania-based technology. If you can magically remove it somehow, that'd be rather helpful, to put it mildly.
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Post by Cassandra on May 26, 2015 9:08:26 GMT
That's the economics of the situation, yes.
There is an alternative, however; termed 'Calculus Vampirism' by the Peerage, by which Orphaned Manes can steal Mania from existing sources of the same, or from intelligent minds. The component needed is probably best expressed as "procedural memory"; it is primarily skills which are taken from those that Manes feed upon, although the process does tend to inflict some degree of brain damage in human victims.
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Post by Lantern on May 28, 2015 15:34:35 GMT
>Cassandra, Mania, can be contained in objects, -nonsentient, -noncomplex, -conjurable? Seems no, but possibility, hope -> I should check.
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Post by Grigori on Jun 5, 2015 19:06:10 GMT
Mania can be contained in objects, but not 'conjured'. Or at least, not without the same effort it takes to generate Mania ordinarily.
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