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Post by gabriael on May 12, 2015 23:34:00 GMT
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Post by gabriael on May 12, 2015 23:34:13 GMT
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Post by gabriael on May 12, 2015 23:35:49 GMT
Damn! What kind of backwards stuff is this Forum made of, that can't let you post an arbitrary number of posts per second...
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Post by Botanical Engineer on May 12, 2015 23:37:02 GMT
Why would you want to? What are you trying to do?
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Post by gabriael on May 12, 2015 23:51:00 GMT
Posting all possible posts, reading them out, comparing them to the originals and deleting them on here. Then using minions to search those that were changed for memetic hazards. Imagine being able to destroy a hostile ecosystem by writing them an E-Mail! That would cut down my workload drastically!
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Post by Botanical Engineer on May 12, 2015 23:57:46 GMT
I think there are a large-ish number of people on this forum who already know things about memetic hazards and some of them might be willing to give some to you? If they thought you were not evil? It's not friendly to post a large number of posts in the hopes that one of them would be a memetic hazard that could hurt someone on the forum, and it's against the point of the forum, which is for people to talk to each other. You would be talking loudly and quickly to yourself in the hopes of hurting someone else, and that is not right.
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Post by Mother Starlight on May 13, 2015 0:20:00 GMT
I agree with Botanical Engineer. Please don't abuse the forum.
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Post by Andrew on May 13, 2015 0:20:07 GMT
Not commenting on the ethics of this, what would prevent the minions from becoming infected, thus ruining the results? Also, Esthfora is filtering based on the reader; what if the future hostile ecosystem uses a different architecture than the minions?
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Post by gabriael on May 13, 2015 0:25:54 GMT
I don't think a Memetic Hazard hidden in all possible posts is going to hurt anyone on this forum. They would have to read through two to the power of eighty thousand posts, which would have stayed on this forum for but a second. Buuut... Hey! Anyone know any cool memetic hazards? Man! No one on this Forum knows who I am! I'm not used to people just giving me dangerous stuff anymore. Not commenting on the ethics of this, what would prevent the minions from becoming infected, thus ruining the results? Also, Esthfora is filtering based on the reader; what if the future hostile ecosystem uses a different architecture than the minions? Meh, they're Gabriaeli. Nothing can really hurt us for longer than a minute, we're Engineered by God TM. But damn, it won't work if Esthfora filters for memetic hazards for the program and not hazards in general.
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Post by Hadassah on May 13, 2015 0:49:01 GMT
Am I the only one here who really has trouble grasping the concept of "God", singlular?
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Post by Grigori on May 13, 2015 19:22:19 GMT
Hmm...
I wasn't generally aware that memetic hazards were an actual thing... which was probably somewhat naive of me, since Mania itself could adequately be defined as a type of memetic hazard (we are not called 'mad' scientists idly). Still, the point about computer viruses was well-taken, since I am physically in the Grid at this time, and that kind of thing can actually kill me, here.
Full disclosure, then; exposure to Mania-based effects can cause potentially undesirable effects to non-metanormal persons, including but not limited to Beholden status and Inspiration. Since none of you are (so far as I am aware) interacting with this site through the Grid directly, I shouldn't be able to accidentally affect any of you with my usual equipment, even if I were to disregard possible defensive effects and filters applied to the forum. I might be able to intentionally send you Mania-based devices, but given the nature of the Grid, they'd show up on your end as 'attachments', which you'd need to deliberately open and interact with in order to have any effect.
In any event, I think I'll refrain from attempting to distribute Mania-based technology or software. Even if one of you were willing to receive anything I offered, the nature of Havoc means that it'd be more likely to do harm than good, the nature of Inspiration means that you'd be more likely to go mad than to do anything productive... and more to the point, it is not entirely clear to me whether it'd be wise to try spreading Mania to a different world, in any event. That's a genie that can't be put back in the bottle afterwards, and it would be altogether disastrous if an Illuminated were to arise in a world without proper defences.
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Post by Leaf on May 13, 2015 19:36:10 GMT
Grigori, your terminology is almost completely impenetrable. Please explain every non-sentence-starting capitalized word in that post.
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Post by Grigori on May 13, 2015 20:19:55 GMT
My apologies. Jabir is one of the side effects of Inspiration, and makes it somewhat more difficult for us to communicate clearly with outsiders. The Peerage itself uses common jargon to describe Mania-based effects, but it is difficult to relate some of the concepts to those who have not experienced them. I shall attempt to do so nonetheless.
Mania is the energy behind Inspiration; it is not quite equivalent to physical electricity, but can be converted to such with minimal effort, or used to enhance existing devices... or to produce and use Wonders. Though it can be stored physically (generally in Capacitors), it is fundamentally a mental phenomena, more an idea that can be given form than a thing that exists independently. It comes in discrete amounts; a quantity of Mania is generally referred to as so many 'Points' of Mania. There is no consensus opinion on where Mania originally comes from, but the Inspired can make more of it by a variety of methods, and large amounts of it seem to naturally occur.
The Grid is a Bardo, a subworld connected to my own world by means of the Internet, which reflects the Internet in its own way. This site seems to me to exist only within the Grid, and I am posting this message to a 'physical' bulletin board within the representation of this site with which I am interacting.
Beholden are formerly non-metanormal humans who have been exposed to Mania. This changes them in certain ways, mitigating the possibility of Havoc, but also removing their capacity for independent theoretical thought; instead, Beholden reflect the metaphysical, philosophical, and scientific worldview of whatever Inspired they are in the presence of. They slowly go mad if not properly cared for, but make excellent assistants.
Inspired are 'mad scientists', changed by Mania. We are no longer able to do 'real' science, as the nature of Mania charges our work, making our experiments more likely to validate our existing worldview and beliefs. We are able to use Mania to affect the world in a variety of ways, the most important of which is to create Wonders, which are devices that break the usual physical laws. We are prone to a variety of mental side effects, which intensify as our studies progress.
Havoc is a problem with Wonders in general; they cannot be safely handled by non-metanormal individuals, and tend to either break, or change in undesirable ways. There are some ways to get around this, but in general, Havoc prevents Wonders from being mass-produced or otherwise introduced to the public.
The Illuminated are Inspired which have been consumed by their own Unmada fields, causing them to abandon their Obligation, and all sense of morality with it. The most... readily applicable description I can think of offhand would be to call them solipsistic, sociopathic reality warpers; able to do everything the Inspired can with Mania and a few other things besides. Being unbound by Obligation, they are able to generate enormous amounts of Mania and more powerful Wonders by use of Larvae, a process which requires them to perform atrocities.
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Post by Leaf on May 13, 2015 20:30:26 GMT
In that case, it seems like a really good idea to keep this stuff confined to your world.
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Post by Grigori on May 13, 2015 20:37:09 GMT
Indeed; given the self-propagating nature of Mania, it seems extremely likely that Illuminated would eventually arise in a world following the transfer of any Mania to it. Particularly since the main method by which the Inspired keep themselves sane is by collaboration with their peers, which would not be locally present in any world to which Mania might be transferred.
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