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Post by Mother Starlight on May 10, 2015 21:43:50 GMT
The catalogue includes price, mana cost, and spell description. (You also learn mana cost and spell description if you learn a spell or cast read magic on a spellbook.)
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Post by Daniel H on May 10, 2015 21:57:09 GMT
Is the information Andrew gave enough to actually create a valid zorkmid if you don’t have SCP-914 or a demon? I was unsure, but there’s certainly no reason not to try.
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Post by Mother Starlight on May 10, 2015 22:18:15 GMT
Probably. It might be a good idea to get images of that sort of a couple of different zorkmids, to get an idea of the tolerances.
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Post by Daniel H on May 10, 2015 22:21:40 GMT
Based on PMed conversations, he will ignore such requests in public but might answer privately depending on the asker. He will not think of doing this himself, and would not even if he had.
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Post by Leaf on May 10, 2015 22:24:07 GMT
...Heh. If the asker is Nifl, what happens?
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Post by Daniel H on May 10, 2015 22:30:36 GMT
If she asks in public, he pretends he doesn’t see it unless his attention is specifically drawn to the question. If somebody explicitly draws his attention to the question again, he has no clue what to do. If she asks in private, he confesses that he realized that, like summoning, this kind of magic might be dangerous to make public and that he does not currently know her well enough to trust her with it. That, I believe, will lead to a conversation where she succeeds in gaining his trust, although he might contact Leaf if she doesn’t specifically ask him not to. If she does, he will be much less likely to trust her but will honor the request.
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Post by Leaf on May 10, 2015 22:37:56 GMT
All right. I think I will have her go for it.
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Post by Daniel H on May 10, 2015 23:19:44 GMT
Well, I thought Nifl would gain Andrew’s trust relatively easily. Andrew, however, had other plans. She still might and it might still be easy, but it should also get more interesting than I expected.
On an unrelated note: yay I’m starting to be able to actually do characterization they can have plans I don’t know about. I’m still not good at it, but that is a thing authors often talk about that I understood but never really “got” before.
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Post by Leaf on May 10, 2015 23:25:12 GMT
Ooh! I'm intrigued. What did he do that surprised you?
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Post by Daniel H on May 10, 2015 23:39:27 GMT
Be at all curious about her world instead of just her. It was partially prompted by the mention of trading, but since he was giving this information away for free earlier I wouldn’t have expected that to do it. He’ll drop the subject if she wants, but it seems to be a relatively good way of learning about her.
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Post by Daniel H on May 10, 2015 23:42:02 GMT
To clarify, he would have been interested in her world if that had been relevant to the discussion, but it mostly isn’t: if he decides he trusts her he won’t ask much if anything in exchange (because as much as he deals in information, he can’t resell much of the information he’s getting and he has more than enough for his own personal use for a while); if he doesn’t trust her he wouldn’t make the trade anyway.
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Post by Mother Starlight on May 11, 2015 3:16:18 GMT
Relevant note I just thought of. The spell description in the catalog mentions the following: Plane shift requires (but does not use up) a metal tuning fork, whose size and material depend on the destination plane. The spell description does not specify how to determine what size and material are required to get to a given plane. Anyone who actually knows plane shift, or has used read magic on a spellbook of plane shift, knows the following: If you know plane shift, then you can with about six seconds' thought intuit the appropriate parameters for any plane you've been on. The following is self-evident with about six seconds' thought to anyone who both either knows plane shift or has used read magic on a spellbook of plane shift, and either knows summon person or has been summoned by summon person: If you've only been summoned to a plane with summon person, then that only sort of counts as being there. The summon-copy can intuit while they're on the plane, but a later summon to a different plane can only intuit for the plane they're currently an active summon to, and the original can't at all. But if the summon does intuit, the original "overhears" the information. The following is self-evident with about six seconds' thought to anyone who both either knows plane shift or has used read magic on a spellbook of plane shift, and is a daeva who has taken a Daevinity-summon: Daevinity-summoning fully counts as actually being to the plane you're summoned to, so works without caveats. I leave it to Andrew's judgment whether a demon can make "a tuning fork for X plane" without already knowing the parameters. It's obvious to anyone who knows a spell or has used read magic on a spellbook or scroll that one can often figure out the spell's behavior in weird edge cases by thinking about it for a few seconds. (A scroll is a device, easier and cheaper to make than a spellbook, that allows someone to cast the spell contained in it as though they knew the spell. You still have to spend the mana, and a scroll is expended after being used once. Using a scroll without actually knowing any spells is theoretically possible but rarely happens, because most people who bother to gain max mp would probably also learn some spells. Scrolls haven't come up before because QDS doesn't sell them.)
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Post by Daniel H on May 11, 2015 4:38:47 GMT
I’m leaning towards “they cannot”, but I could see myself going either way and would like to listen to other people’s opinions. This feels like it isn’t quite the right type of information, any more than “the decryption key for X document” (which I believe Alicorn said did not work unlrss you had more information about where or how the key is stored).
I’ll also guess that he following is self-evident with about six seconds’ thought to anyone who both either knows plane shift or has used read magic on a spellbook of plane shift, and has been in a Daevinity concordance: being in a concordance counts for being in both planes of the concordance. I’m not certain of that, though, because you’re still tied to the plane you entered from. I would expect it to either count or not count, though; it shouldn’t have the same caveat as “summon person” because there’s no temporary copy of you.
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Post by Mother Starlight on May 11, 2015 4:46:10 GMT
I got the impression that a concordance is sort of a temporary demiplane.
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Post by Daniel H on May 11, 2015 4:55:38 GMT
I hadn’t thought of it in those terms, but that might explain it better, and would firmly put it in the “doesn’t count” category.
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