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Post by lurkingkobold on May 17, 2015 17:10:17 GMT
How objectlike are MP? Can magic from another world that can make arbitrary things make them, assuming it can be targeted sensibly to put them in someone's MP meter?
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Post by Mother Starlight on May 17, 2015 17:42:18 GMT
They're not physical items; they can't be made by wish or Daevinity demon magic. It's more like an amount of energy charged up. If "arbitrary things" includes abstract properties like velocity or intelligence, then it could work.
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Post by Archangel on May 17, 2015 18:34:30 GMT
It's implied that the thing that happens if they don't perform procedure 110-Montauk is that the seventh chain binding SCP-2317 breaks and it eats the universe. Universes. (Spoiler alert, this is inevitably going to happen in the next few decades at most. Probably this is because the person they do 110-Montauk to isn't going to live forever.) Chains like the six that broke can theoretically be made. It requires components from a dead Devourer of Worlds, which let's say are in short supply, but they should be able to wish for more chains. If they could wish for it already in place, that'd be all well and good, but since they can't they'd have to actually attach it. Something tells me they wouldn't be enthusiastic about digging around that thing. The reason they'd continue perpetrating 110-Montauk is that even if they successfully re-bound the Devourer, they wouldn't have any way of knowing it had worked and wouldn't want to trust it.
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Post by Leaf on May 17, 2015 18:42:21 GMT
Well, they do have access to at least two sources of accurate information on things in their universe that it isn't safe to observe directly, and they're going to know about the second one in a little while as soon as I catch up on Tumblr...
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Post by Daniel H on May 17, 2015 18:46:10 GMT
Oh, I hadn’t seen 2317.
They do have access to somebody who can get the chains, or dead Devourers of Worlds. She might have a hard time finding them, but I bet she can probably manage it in a few decades if she tries.
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Post by Daniel H on May 17, 2015 20:11:03 GMT
Having now read SCP-2317, I am unclear why you think it’s related to SCP-231. The only similarities I caught were that 2317’s number starts with “231”; that there are seven chains, six broken; and that the breaking was correlated with exponentially greater events. Given how common the number 7 is in such things, that’s not really much evidence. I was also assuming that the recovery of SCP-231 was in the early 20th century, which doesn’t match the timing for 2317, but that isn’t at all conclusive.
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Post by lurkingkobold on May 17, 2015 22:56:28 GMT
They're not physical items; they can't be made by wish or Daevinity demon magic. It's more like an amount of energy charged up. If "arbitrary things" includes abstract properties like velocity or intelligence, then it could work. :3
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Post by Archangel on May 17, 2015 23:23:11 GMT
Have you seen the hidden poem from the 231 page? SCP-231-7 is one of the "seven brides for the Scarlet King," who's prophesied to come back and do the apocalypse thing. ("Nothing under heaven can keep the Groom at bay.") The entity from 2317 has the same title. (Note that the content of the ritual mentioning the title is a fraud. It would be very easy to say that this applies to the title as well.) And the connection was put there on purpose. Actually agreeing with me about it is entirely optional.
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Post by gabriael on May 18, 2015 1:07:12 GMT
As long as the thing is still bound I'd say that the Toppled God could chew away at the Groom until he's manageable. As the toppled god has this whole balance handicap this would turn him insane. As he's also smart he would turn the Groom into a series of One Rings with a variety of evil powers crippled by overspecialisation. Problem is that there's one or two SCPs that are actual Gods and the Toppled God wouldn't touch the world unless he could be sure those entities couldn't eat him.
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Post by Leaf on May 18, 2015 15:17:09 GMT
So, Andrew has asked the keeper to search for the QDS world and figure out what happened to the QDS people and whether any of them died.
What's the final word on that sequence of events?
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Post by Daniel H on May 18, 2015 15:46:44 GMT
Wait, what he said was sufficient? I thought Leaf would need to give her something from that world (like the textbook or catalog) with minor planar ally, or at least demonstrate the magic with planar message.
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Post by Leaf on May 18, 2015 16:14:03 GMT
The keeper has started looking. How long it takes her to find the place is variable, and could definitely be helped along by somebody dropping a spellbook on her, but I think "extremely widespread use of this super specific coin" is the kind of thing she could check pretty fast in a universe.
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Post by Mother Starlight on May 18, 2015 16:54:21 GMT
I don't see how she would quickly identify the QDS people in particular within Dungeon. Also, they are not actually in Dungeon, but rather in Keter. If she can tell what world people are from, then she might notice some people from Dungeon in Keter.
eta: they are not dead, they are trapped in magical stasis.
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Post by Leaf on May 18, 2015 17:00:25 GMT
She has no good way to identify the QDS people within Dungeon, but it's very plausible for her to be able to notice that some Dungeon people are in Keter after she has identified Dungeon, yes.
Once she has found the QDS people by whatever means, it's relatively trivial for her to trace them back and find out what exactly happened to them, which is why I'm asking ahead of time for a finalized sequence of events.
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Post by Mother Starlight on May 18, 2015 17:42:32 GMT
My current understanding is:
Foundation gate-summons the customer service representative, gets names of manager and acquisitions person, traps-the-soul when she tries to go back through the gate for the customer service records.
Foundation gate-summons the manager, gets the customer service records, traps-the-soul.
Foundation gate-summons and traps-the-soul the acquisitions person and the high-powered customers, taking minor losses along the way.
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