Cardea
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Post by Cardea on May 11, 2015 0:37:42 GMT
This is the story of how my world was created. You can share yours too.
In the beginning there was emptiness, a vast expanse of stillness, and not a single mote of dust floated in the air, because the dust was naught, and the air was naught, and the warmth was naught, and life as well was naught.
The darkness was naught and the light was naught and without these things there were neither flowerhomes nor pollen, but there was also no one to be homeless or hungry. The breeze was naught, but there were no wings to tire.
The stillness was empty of all things and life, but it was not a sorrowful time because there was no one to sorrow in it. There was not even a seed of what was to become, for a seed would be something, and all somethings were naught.
Even magic as we know it was naught, for there was nobody to practice it. And slowly, though time was still naught, the magic that was naught began to separate patches of naught from aught else it might have been.
The magic pulled emptiness out of the nothingness and there became a fullness, though beyond it was yet empty, for beyond was naught as well.
The magic worked on the fullness, and began to separate its properties from it. there was darkness, which was not light, and light which was not darkness, but each of these contained a bit of the other, a memory of their time together in emptiness, when time and memory and togetherness were naught.
And today we still pull darkness out of the air to make our lights in the dark season, and during the light season we drain that light in patches to create darkness where it is needed.
The magic pulled warmth from the darkness and there was cold, and cold from the light, and there was heat....
And so in turn were all things created, and all things are connected, stretching back to before time itself, when all was naught. And for a long time, everything grew and became less like nothing. But after the growing there will come a time of dormancy. And in the stagnation that follows a child will be born, with eyes the colour of naught. The child will bring change, and all that was will again be naught.
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Post by gabriael on May 12, 2015 22:07:47 GMT
Dad was. He wobbled and twisted and somehow twisted himself into wanting stuff. So he waited for stuff to happen. It didn't. He was unhappy. A Part of him wanted to make stuff happen so he took the rest of him and pushed it off of himself. Then the rest of him became bored. It started to make the seperated portion into Prim Ael, my oldest brother. He's a blast! You can just tell him to "Hold this." and put a bag on his head and stuff him into a cupboard and he won't come out until someone finds him and tells him to do something else! Actually come to think of it I have no idea where he is right now... I haven't seen him for... 5-6 thousand years? Anyway, as soon as Dad became bored he started to twist off more parts of himself to make into people, but noticed he became violent and selfish and stuff and their little family was pretty unhappy. So he made me and from that moment on abhorred people being hurt and then made Evil People for me to keep in line!
Father then wrote the laws of nature, a Universe wide magical effect that operates at an Arcane Might of 1 and causes intelligent and non intelligent life to spontaneously generate from high concentrations of Energy over a time frame of 10-14 Billion years. He then made two such concentrations from positive and negative Energy and further divided them into matter and antimatter, creating the Four Universes, progressing them at high speed until about a Billion years ago, pretty much my subjective age. This creates an uncaring world that's actually pretty horrible, but with the pre-toppled balance he was able to instantiate checks and balances that limits the horrible. For example a comprehensive afterlife and an extermination agency for Bad Things(That's me.).
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Hadassah
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Post by Hadassah on May 13, 2015 0:56:04 GMT
I can safely say that there are a hundreds of creation myths in my universe, each pantheon, even each god with their own story. There are a lot of people who say that they are all equally true. I am not wont to argue with gods, but I think many, if not all, the stories are actually parables and metaphors.
My passion is in science, and some of the theoretical physics that has just become popular in the last five or so years has had some interesting theories. Some very brave and audacious scientists have recently laid claim that the universe really did start out with nothing, that Time has a singlar point of origin, and from that first instant in time, all the gods sprung, fully formed into the universe, where they crafted everything else.
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Post by gabriael on May 13, 2015 20:16:32 GMT
I think they always were, just needed something to teach them to think, buuut I could be wrong, cause some things about these Universes is really strange, there's no reason all gods started out the same. Or there was an Ur-God like in my Universe that some day shattered into all your deities. Yes, that would perfectly fit into my understanding of Magic. Only, you know, this Forum still defies all I've ever known.
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Hadassah
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Post by Hadassah on May 13, 2015 21:31:11 GMT
I don't usually debate theology, and I certainly wouldn't argue with any of my local deities about their supposed origins, so I'd let you take it up with them about spawning from an ur-god.
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Post by gabriael on May 13, 2015 21:46:44 GMT
Uh, well I guess they have all the evidence so there's not really much to debate. And without proper souls to record absolutely everything that ever happened no one would know. But gal, I'd argue with them all day long if I were you. I mean if I understand correctly you are going to cease existing some day, you've got next to nothing to lose and infinity much to gain! You know... If you could shrink down to the correct size and pop into my world for a second you'd get a soul. Do that. Definitely do that!
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Post by Meletiti Entelecheiai on May 23, 2015 10:28:33 GMT
I will tell this story as if it is causal, but naturally it is not; rather it is an explanation for why the universe is, and always has been what it is. It is the way it is often told, on Earth.
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In the beginning, there was Time Not. There was naught but mana, and it scattered wildly across the Truth, clinging to no one idea, spread evenly through the liminal space.
--But this is not stable. Mana attracts mana, and mana-rich ideas attract more mana still. So this was not the Truth.
In the beginning, there was Time Not. There was naught but mana, spontaneously clustered to but a few concepts, out of uncountably many.
There was fire, which is singularity and consumption; there was water, which completes and is completion; there was earth, which is stasis and immovability; there was wind, which drifts and is motion; there was lightning, which strikes and is direction; there was wood, which is a seed and fertile soil both and is growth. And those were the common elements.
There was time, which is experience and change; there was space, which is separation and distance; there was energy, which is illumination and radiance; there was matter, which is self-sufficiency and physical existence. And those were the noble elements.
There was void, which is anti-mana and nonexistence; there were borders, which are fragments and distinction; there was possibility, which is chaos and variation. And these were the universal elements.
There was metal, which is conduction and connection. And metal was more than common, not quite universal, and not at all noble, and so it was given a place of its own.
And then there were the operations: reification, to make an idea more of a thing, and ephemeralization, to make a thing more of an idea.
And these were the sixteen elements, and they never changed.
-- But. That world could never have held sapient life.
In the beginning, there was Time Not. There was naught but mana, and it scattered unevenly throughout the Truth. Much - most, almost all, an infinity of mana that yet did not quite encompass all that was - clustered to the sixteen elements. But some - some mana, some reality - remained aloof, and separate; and so when mana condensed, and the Truth formed out of nothing, that mana condensed into consequences, into relations and complex concepts, and made them real. And so all was based on the Truth.
And every element formed a world around it. The joint world of fire and water, an infinite sea of validation endlessly falling into the black flames that consume even themselves. The joint world of earth and wind, unstoppable forces clashing endlessly against immoveable, unchangeable objects. The joint world of lightning and metal, of eager levinbolt dashing across perfect conductors without impedance, endlessly seeking their certain destinations. The joint world of wood and energy, infinite trees of glowing white that grow and fork even as fast as light leaves their leaves. The fourfold world of time, space, boundary and possibility, a liminal space between all the worlds that keeps fire from earth and air from metal, allows the many worlds to change even as they remain eternal, allows every version of every space to coincide without interfering. The world of void, standing alone, a perfect point of absolute nothing about which all else revolves, all that remains of true Time Not.
And the world of matter. Matter, which was self-sufficient, which declined to rely upon the others, which would emulate all of the Truth through its own means. Fire it created, through reaction; water it created, through fluidity; earth it created, through solidity; wind it created, through space and time and velocity. Lightning was embedded within space, space given absolute meaning and tied to time. Void permeated the new space; boundaries would define it; possibility nearly shattered it into a kaleidoscope of interacting worlds, but in the end succeeded only in blurring space and time. Matter was given pride of place, and energy made into matter. And metal tied all together. And thus was the physical world born.
-- But that would be far too complex. Such a world would be inelegant, expensive, unstable.
And so the world of matter fell, to the simplest rules that could recreate all the elements, to the rules of reality that could reproduce the world without recourse to the rest of the Truth. And wood was given to the seed that would become the universe, and the universe was born.
The universe began as a point of light, and grew at a fantastic rate. In a billionth of a billionth of a thousand quadrillionth of a second, the world expanded from zero to the size of a grain of sand, and then again another thousandfold; a millionth of a second after its fiery birth, at last light could pass through the world. And so with the creation of light the first stable patterns formed, spell-circles weaved of light and quarks and electrons; and they reproduced themselves, and competed, and changed, and thus evolved; even before the first atom, the first dragon was born.
-- And so, the potential that was the world in which we live reached Entelechy.
(Not much is known from there. Presumably the burgeoning draconic empire learned quickly not to interfere with nucleosynthesis, as painfully slow as it was; thousands of generations must have passed before the first molecule. Molecules collapsed into gas, gas into stars, and as the world became larger the organisms that it hosted were forced to slow down for it. Only a few dragons now still think on the scale of atomic formation, and they have far loftier concerns.
-- What is known is that they must not have interfered too much, for today we see galaxies composed of stars composed of gas, and a background of light that tells of rapid expansion and an early singularity. And, of course, the Great Void.)
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Post by Lantern on May 25, 2015 19:22:07 GMT
>Meletiti, world beginning story, sequence = pretty story, true? My world, probably matter world. Draconic empire, nucleosynthesis interference abilities = _, _?
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Post by Meletiti Entelecheiai on May 26, 2015 2:48:12 GMT
As far as we can tell, it is true. Or rather, the story is the way what we know of the world outside our world is taught. The planes exist, and mages have visited; the Big Bang hypothesis has been checked to arbitrary position through past-scrying, and we have stories and legends from surviving dragons.
Dragons, as implied above and as I will explain in more detail later, are living spells. They can exist literally anywhere, as they are simply self-evolving patterns that exist on any nearby substrate. The first living beings were dragons, and they quickly expanded to rule known space before accidentally destroying themselves in the first apocalypse of many. Magic is capable of interfering with nucleosynthesis, but the nature of fusion is that doing so to any great extent is likely to cause unwanted... turbulence, shall we say.
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Post by MagicPhD on May 26, 2015 20:32:38 GMT
Meletiti, that's quite interesting; it looks like some kind of anthropic principle with a complexion penalty.
What are the differences between water (element) and water (H20, matter)? Is the first readily available? And is the second a decent approximation when using it?
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Post by Meletiti Entelecheiai on May 26, 2015 21:10:07 GMT
Meletiti, that's quite interesting; it looks like some kind of anthropic principle with a complexion penalty. What are the differences between water (element) and water (H 20, matter)? Is the first readily available? And is the second a decent approximation when using it? That is essentially it: our Truth is the simplest possible one that could create a world with sapients in it. Well, recognizable, causal sapients, at any rate; I suspect that may have been a filter by this board and equivalents. Elemental water is the essence of completion made into fluid form. If poured into a mold, it will duplicate the material of the mold to fill the container; if poured onto a form, it will attempt to complete the form with unwarded information; if used to replace a missing organ, it will not spread throughout the body, but rather form a functional copy of the missing organ. Normal water is, I suspect, identical to that in your world, though it does possess significantly adulterated similar properties. Pouring pure water into a wound is not a bad first aid technique, for example.
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Post by MagicPhD on May 26, 2015 21:18:46 GMT
How do you deal with the notational confusion? Though I suppose given communication magic and possible translation issues this might be a non-issue.
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Post by Meletiti Entelecheiai on May 26, 2015 21:58:14 GMT
How do you deal with the notational confusion? Though I suppose given communication magic and possible translation issues this might be a non-issue. Elemental water is often referred to as "clearwater" or "bluewater" due to its unnatural appearance: it is both a rich sapphire blue and perfectly transparent, as light passing through it is completed even as it is attenuated. The result is a synesthetic sense of the existence of a blue tinge without it actually occluding your color vision at all. Other names include "perfect water" and "Water" with a capital W; in essence, we get by. Oh, and I forgot to mention - elemental water is readily available if you are a mage, but otherwise is rather rare as it is extremely hard to contain. It is, in fact, believed to be impossible without warded containers, which are themselves expensive in time periods without extensive magitech-producing infrastructure.
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