Erocentrism
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Post by Erocentrism on Aug 10, 2015 20:09:20 GMT
I'm finally not the only werewater I know of. I'm finding more and more demihumans scattered around my world recently, some of kinds I've never heard of, but I still haven't found any other changelings who've learned to fission themselves like I did. So far, the most significant examples of demihuman organization I've seen are isolated families. I may be unchallenged. I plan to continue with a policy of stealth, because I'm not as sure as I'd like to be, but what I've seen so far is promising. I believe I'm secure enough in my power to start, hah, answering relevant prayers in person, so to speak. I'm glad for you, dewdrop! I gather that you have reason to fear being challenged? I'm curious as to what it is you plan to do. Dewdrop. Hah. That is hilarious. But probably not the way you meant it. Thank you anyway. I never went by a fake name at work. I chose porn specifically for the visibility. But, I am going to use that as an alias next time someone asks me who I am while I'm wearing one of my Hats of Anonymity. If I didn't have to fear being challenged at all, there'd be no need for me. It is often true that the best way to avoid acknowledging a problem is to demonize its solutions. I will become a comprehensive solution to sexual hardship, if I can. And on another level, it is possible I've become something scary enough that I'd be challenged regardless of my actions or inclinations. Fortunately some of me is safely off-world now, so it has become purely a concern for collateral damage.
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Kumi
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Post by Kumi on Aug 11, 2015 0:58:19 GMT
I hope very much that you're careful about consent.
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Post by Ahrotahn on Aug 11, 2015 0:59:32 GMT
What do you mean by sexual hardship?
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Erocentrism
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Post by Erocentrism on Aug 11, 2015 3:56:03 GMT
What do you mean by sexual hardship? Often, a human's emotional well-being depends heavily on the fulfillment of, at the very least, their most rudimentary of sexual desires. As such, artificial obstacles to even such basic sexual fulfillment become the most pointless of cruelties, and to me, the most pertinent. On the object level, it means every individual who suffers emotional distress over involuntary celibacy. It means every glorification of "winning" sex through superior social skills, of "justifying" sex through romantic pretense. It means every stigma and meme that makes prostitution an unappealing profession, and every policy that makes it a more furtive or risky service to access. It means every marginalization of the "entitlement" of the unattractive. It means every culturally instituted no-win scenario that sends a brave-faced horny virgin crumpling into tears of helplessness when alone. It means every bit of misinformation or obfuscation deemed "tasteful." It means every authority figure who acts to stunt the sexual development of someone under their care. It means, people wanting to have sex, and suffering because they aren't, or suffering because of why they aren't.
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Post by Kumi on Aug 11, 2015 20:33:53 GMT
What do you mean by sexual hardship? Often, a human's emotional well-being depends heavily on the fulfillment of, at the very least, their most rudimentary of sexual desires. As such, artificial obstacles to even such basic sexual fulfillment become the most pointless of cruelties, and to me, the most pertinent. On the object level, it means every individual who suffers emotional distress over involuntary celibacy. It means every glorification of "winning" sex through superior social skills, of "justifying" sex through romantic pretense. It means every stigma and meme that makes prostitution an unappealing profession, and every policy that makes it a more furtive or risky service to access. It means every marginalization of the "entitlement" of the unattractive. It means every culturally instituted no-win scenario that sends a brave-faced horny virgin crumpling into tears of helplessness when alone. It means every bit of misinformation or obfuscation deemed "tasteful." It means every authority figure who acts to stunt the sexual development of someone under their care. It means, people wanting to have sex, and suffering because they aren't, or suffering because of why they aren't. I approve of fixing this in principle, but I really really hope you're being very careful in practice.
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Erocentrism
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Post by Erocentrism on Aug 11, 2015 23:55:07 GMT
I haven't made anything I consider a mistake so far.
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Post by Ahrotahn on Aug 12, 2015 0:15:46 GMT
I don't know whether you're extremely competent, or ridiculously lucky, or not noticing problems, or dealing with an easier situation, or what.
Sex-positive politics in my world, though mostly beneficial on net, sometimes results in people being socially pressured into sex. The thinking goes broadly along the lines of "~Sex is Good~, and if you don't want to have sex then it must be because you're ~Tragically Repressed~". If you have advice on how to avert this, I'd like to hear it.
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Erocentrism
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Post by Erocentrism on Aug 12, 2015 3:49:46 GMT
Well, your first problem may be trying to avert such a vague and poorly specified category of behavior. No, maybe your first problem is trying to avert such a vague category of behavior. I'm having trouble articulating exactly why, but choosing that as an example strikes me as indicative of the type of thinking that would lead to mistakes.
Or maybe you were thinking of something a lot more specific than you said, but I wouldn't know if you were.
Besides, there are enough people who's hardship is unambiguous that there are always higher priorities. And I am not limited by linearity. I am limited by other factors, but I'm working on those.
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Post by Ahrotahn on Aug 12, 2015 16:13:35 GMT
I can believe that it's the type of thinking that leads to mistakes. I'm less sure what to do about it.
In my culture, the most obvious thing to do about repression and stigma is to proclaim that Sex is Good. Even if I don't personally do that, even if I tell people not to do that, that's still by default going to be a side effect of any anti-anti-sex movement.
Maybe I'm completely misunderstanding your approach. Can you give specific examples of things you've done to reduce stigmas around sex?
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Erocentrism
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Post by Erocentrism on Aug 12, 2015 20:37:09 GMT
You do seem to be misunderstanding not just my methods but my goals. And I keep wanting to draw comparisons with pop culture references, which, obviously, bad idea, that would probably give you completely the wrong idea, unless your world happens to have all the same media.
Most of what I did with my internet notoriety, when that was all I had to work with, involved aggressively ignoring the existence of such stigmas. I never preached, not once. Not only do I have little interest in attacking stigmas directly, I can assure you that nothing entrenches a viewpoint and sucks sanity out of the discourse more effectively than establishing an opposing camp.
That is probably the crux of your problem right there.
I don't acknowledge or care about stigmas. And as should be obvious given my area of focus, I have no interest in interacting with individuals who've managed to become emotionally invested in denying their own urges, since that is quite exactly the opposite of the thing I am interested in helping with.
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Post by Ahrotahn on Aug 13, 2015 2:32:55 GMT
That... could work. It might interact badly with the already-existing entrenched camp if tried in my culture, but it definitely seems like a good strategy.
I'm pretty sure there are other reasons to be uninterested in sex than being invested in self-denial, but if you don't preach and mostly don't interact with people who aren't interested in sex then I guess it probably doesn't matter all that much.
What do you mean by not being limited by linearity? Are you a time traveler?
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Post by Dr. Realist on Aug 13, 2015 2:43:13 GMT
... Erocentrism, you're making a mistake on such a huge scale that I can only call it hubris.
Vague to the point of being a non-statement, like 'I want to make The Twenty-Three States of Patagonia great again.' Okay rhetoric, but terrible policy. Let's see what issues this actually breaks down into.
A large number of these cases are due to people not being able to have sex with the people they want to. For example, everyone who wants to get back together with their exes. Are we going to start making people have sex with people that they don't want to have sex with?
Social skills are necessary to relationships. People who are good at relationships should have that skill recognized for the same reasons that we should recognize people who are good at science or athletics. Positive role models are useful to many people. There's a useful bit in here about how 'sex is not a prize', but I really dislike your presentation.
I don't think this is something that's generally 'glorified.'
This is a large but workable problem. If you set out to fix just this I would be exceedingly happy for you. But no, you need to do this and a half-dozen other things all at once.
See above. If you were feeling rather ambitious, you might even do this AND work on the stigma at the same time.
What does this even mean? Use simple words, please. I think this is 'people should not be looked down on for being ugly'?
Vague to the point of meaninglessness, or overbroad to the point of insanity.
See above. Also, I'm pretty sure that not showing porn to children is a generally responsible policy.
You are aware that some people don't have 'urges'?
Also, my general impression of your plan so far is 'have sex anonymously with people who want sex but have problems that prevent them from doing anything about it.' I can see about a million ways that this could go horribly wrong.
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Erocentrism
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Post by Erocentrism on Aug 13, 2015 5:41:51 GMT
I am aware that children, nonhumans, and individuals with medical problems may exist. Obviously, and irrelevantly. If you're talking about asexuality in healthy adults, however, I'll point out that I am asexual. Lacking an orientation has never slowed me down. It's a considerable advantage, actually. Your general impression of my plan is not even a plan, it is merely something I do with whatever portion of me is not busy with plans or other things, now that I can so easily handle volume. I don't find your other points relevant. Even if I'm tempted to argue them or agree on their own merits, I know better. I can recognize what all that actually meant. And I don't consider failing to share your alien priorities a mistake, let alone a hubristic one. I am not operating in your world. What do you mean by not being limited by linearity? Are you a time traveler? I'm not a time traveler or anything similar. Not long ago I figured out how to do something with my werewater abilities that I previously only suspected was possible, and now I am a distributed and massively parallel entity who can be in many places at once. I am wary of sharing the details, though.
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Post by Ahrotahn on Aug 13, 2015 18:54:58 GMT
Are we using the same definition of asexual? I was under the impression you were pansexual. Are you saying you don't particularly enjoy having sex with people, but you do it anyway for ideological reasons?
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Post by Erocentrism on Aug 13, 2015 20:07:02 GMT
Are you saying you don't particularly enjoy having sex with people, but you do it anyway for ideological reasons? Okay, that, right there, is the sort of insidiously leading question that can't even be answered without conceding the premise. So, you know, head's up on that. Instead I'll answer a question with a question. What do you imagine the practical difference is, between an asexual, and a heterosexual who has never met, seen or heard the opposite sex described? I don't see how anyone could equate being asexual with being sexless. I enjoy sex on both a visceral and an ideological level, and I appreciate various features of the human form on both a practical and aesthetic basis. And yet, I am asexual, so my ideology doesn't have to compete with any other part of me in determining who I have sex with, which I find convenient.
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