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Post by Lady of Death on Aug 7, 2015 18:39:15 GMT
The thought of imaginary people intrigues me! How does one create an imaginary person? Could you just create arbitrary amounts of imaginary people from nothing? Wait, if I sacrifice imaginary people for life energy do I get an imaginary (r times root(-1)) amount of energy? Mh... I would need to devise a ritual to multiply life energy with itself, sacrifice four batches and multiply them. No wait, then I'd still have hypercubic life energy, which could wreak havoc upon me...
Edit: I could then create a ritual to divide it by the life energy of a blade of grass! Haha!
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Post by anonymous on Aug 8, 2015 17:37:52 GMT
Do not create imaginary people to sacrifice. That would be murder, which is wrong. Do not create people unless you are willing and able to adequately take care of them.
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Post by Lady of Death on Aug 8, 2015 22:20:48 GMT
Well obviously not like whatever form of imaginary person you are talking about, I mean for real imaginary people.
Edit: Or no, those can't be sacrificed. I would like to learn how to make imaginary people like you make them and then use it to make imaginary plants who are people.
Edit: Not like Botanical Engineer, I mean plants who count as people.
Edit: Don't worry, I'm experienced with sacrificing people.
Edit: That is sacrificing plants for rituals which explicitly need people. But the average gerania just doesn't cut it for Vampirizing.
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Post by Tyche on Aug 8, 2015 22:52:15 GMT
Thanks, anon. (Same anon?) I was to say, Lady of Death: first mention of imaginary people here was: they are people. How imaginariness works in the relevant universe is unknown, but that's not the point. If need for life energy is so great, possibly should ask for volunteers with cortical stack or other recent backups? Edit: Lady of Death, you are abundantly unclear. If people, should not be sacrificed. |
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Post by Lady of Death on Aug 8, 2015 23:02:59 GMT
But... If I can ask them to volunteer that would mean they have a mind! I can't sacrifice something that can think for itself!
Even if you say they have a cortical stack or recent backups, what if I lose control of the ritual and the Dark Magic sacrifices those things too? And anyway I don't think I could do that even IF the backups work out. What if they don't retain continuity of experience?
Are YOU sacrificing real people? Have you tried sacrificing flowers instead?
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Post by Botanical Engineer on Aug 9, 2015 1:34:42 GMT
Lady of Death,
I am confused. I am a plant who counts as a person.
Killing someone from my world would still be killing a person.
Please explain yourself more clearly.
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Post by anonymous on Aug 9, 2015 1:50:08 GMT
(Same anon, yes)
Imaginary people are still people and it is wrong to sacrifice them.
They are people and still have preferences and personalities, certainly enough to give consent or withhold it. They can't do things that people can't imagine them doing, which is definitely a problem, but they are definitely people and it is definitely wrong to sacrifice them.
If you are sacrificing nonsentient plants in place of people, I would expect whatever you are sacrificing to to notice and do something harmful about the deception.
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Post by Lady of Death on Aug 9, 2015 17:23:30 GMT
Lady of Death, I am confused. I am a plant who counts as a person. Killing someone from my world would still be killing a person. Please explain yourself more clearly. I explicitly disclaimed that I did not mean people like you. You really a person and not only count as a person for magical purposes, I would never sacrifice you or your's. Do you eat? Imagine one of the plants you eat. You could marry one of those plants. If you marry someone they are your equal, therefore that plant is also a person and you could sacrifice it in a ritual that requires a pony sacrifice. (Same anon, yes) Imaginary people are still people and it is wrong to sacrifice them. They are people and still have preferences and personalities, certainly enough to give consent or withhold it. They can't do things that people can't imagine them doing, which is definitely a problem, but they are definitely people and it is definitely wrong to sacrifice them. If you are sacrificing nonsentient plants in place of people, I would expect whatever you are sacrificing to to notice and do something harmful about the deception. How does one make an "imaginary person"? Could I use that process to create an imaginary person as smart as a geranium? If you are saying "every person anyone ever imagined is important" than just by talking about it here everyone reading this thread surely imagined a few actual real thinking people being sacrificed. It's not as if Dark Magic is smart. It's a matter of discipline. If you have no doubts in your heart and commit to the cause of Evil and Darkness your methods aren't that important. If the Darkness tries to influence you because your spell backfired you just have to remain resolute and sure. If your Dark Magic gets out of control and threatens to harm someone you just need to rein it back in with the surety that you need to hide, that you need to bide your time as to marshal your forces and strike where it truly hurts, or that you wish to corrupt them, pull them into the Darkness with you. That and you should stay on good terms with any demons you might meet. Being a good cook helps immensely there fortunately. |
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Post by Singer on Aug 9, 2015 18:15:02 GMT
Your magic is much easier to loophole then ours it seems. I think people would have noticed if you could sacrifice plants instead of people for things that need a a person's life-sacrifice.
..I should probably clarify that only willing sacrifices work. But some people are good at finding a lot of minions. Also I do not know any magic big enough to require sacrifices of that kind. I am still learning, and wouldn't go beyond the level of magic I could personally fuel with blood sacrifices and similar anyway.
Also I don't think even big magic is evil, it's just, you have to pay for things somehow right? Sometimes you can get around it by taking extra time and stuff, But really big things need life-sacrifice because that's the only thing that makes enough energy.
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Post by Botanical Engineer on Aug 9, 2015 18:35:52 GMT
I eat. I could not marry a sedentary plant, or a mobile plant that was not a person.
People do not usually become equals when they marry, though. For example, if my housemate married someone, her spouse would not suddenly become her equal in finding useful things or thinking of solutions to problems. If marrying a plant that was not a person were possible, and made it count as a person, would that plant stop being counted as a person when they stopped being married?
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Post by Lady of Death on Aug 9, 2015 21:34:50 GMT
But that is horrible! Being good at getting minions doesn't qualify someone to trade away someone's life! You should really try to get some better magic in the forum.
Edit: Honestly... I never tried. Mh... how do you most efficiently divorce a plant? Most marriage ceremonies that don't need one person's participation are till death do you part things. I'm sure it could be useful somehow to break a sacrifice's personhood mid-ritual.
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Post by Meletiti Entelecheiai on Aug 10, 2015 3:27:07 GMT
I'm afraid alethics isn't that easy to trick, ladyofdeath! Most of the mana you get from a person comes from their own internal mechanisms and their mind and memories! It's true that a particularly popular fictional character could possess as much mana as a person, but then sacrificing such a character would hardly be harmless itself!
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Post by #1! on Aug 10, 2015 4:12:06 GMT
I would not have been happy if someone had decided to sacrifice me while I was still fictional, even if I was nonsentient then.
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Post by Lady of Death on Aug 10, 2015 8:34:53 GMT
I'm afraid alethics isn't that easy to trick, ladyofdeath! Most of the mana you get from a person comes from their own internal mechanisms and their mind and memories! It's true that a particularly popular fictional character could possess as much mana as a person, but then sacrificing such a character would hardly be harmless itself! Does the complexity alethics sacrifices have to be meaningful? If you had a bunch of magic, say a milligramm of it, in the form of every arrangement one million words chosen from a dictionary can take, how much mana would that create? Oh, and miss Miku: If I would sacrifice an imaginary Miku than that Miku would still remain unsacrificed in the imaginations of other people. And even if I sacrificed you in everyone's imaginations, they would merely all think that "Miku has been sacrificed." They could still build a real you. |
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Post by #1! on Aug 11, 2015 0:41:21 GMT
... Except they would be under the impression that I was dead.
Why would you build a real body for a fictional character that didn't exist?
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